Is anyone getting these so-called video calls for verification where in reality the girl is just trying to see if she thinks you're attractive enough for the meet? Never happened to me before and now suddenly I have two.

Did they arrange these in advance? Did you agree to them?

 
I have seen a small handful of women who want to chat briefly on the phone before meeting so they can judge their comfort level with you. That's as far as I have experienced.

Based on some recent posts, some of these scams are trying to get compromising video or photos of potential clients in order to blackmail or threaten them with being outed in public. Even if they don't have your real name, a clear photo or frame grab will let people know that the guy in the pic goes by the name kcesar68 which will, ultimately, ID you to people who know you.  
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If you have facebook, insta, or other social media with photos they might even be able to ID by doing an image search or facial recognition search based on a new photo or video frame grab.  
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DO NOT send / exchange photos unless it is with someone you trust.

Remember ex-Cogressman Anthony Wiener: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Weiner

I would avoid any video which could be used for extortion.
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Even on sugar babe sites, I use photos that were posted at some time on facebook or other social media.  That gives plausible deniability that someone just copied them.   But any photo that is unique or too revealing (nudes) is bad news.  And video where you chat about sex for hire, etc, just bad bad bad new.

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I like this.

I saw several ads where the provider required videocall for verification.... but... Mmmmm... I don't do that... I don't like to use that tool for verification, to me, a videocall, means nothing for verification... but... not everybody are the same like you can see.. I respect others, but that, doesn't work for me. Be careful.

There is really only one way:  

 
Do not take pictures of your dick!  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

...to a k-org to get vetted since they don't get many requests from women. Some providers have asked for a photo, probably to see if I'm attractive enough for them to see me.  When I've asked them if they ask the same of male customers some will try and back peddle. Too late. I will never send a photo, especially if I feel it's to judge me. Fuck that.

Sorry buddy, this made me chuckle. You book a lady according to her looks, we do not book clients according to their looks. They "may" be doing it to confirm your identity, but the vast majority of us do not give two sh*ts how good looking you are. Be clean, on time, friendly, respect boundaries, and have your envelope ready. Escorting is a job, not a dating site.  

Bad link apparently

Arrange what? I did a video call with one provider years ago. She saw me, I saw her. Had my session with her no muss no fuss. I'm not sure if I gave the wrong impression but no, these aren't naughty video chats. Just regular ones probably because they don't want to see Black clients and/or to see the actual person they're meeting. This time after the video call (which oddly enough had no sound because of some technical problem so we couldn't hear each other)  she ghosted. Used a burner number and yup, she replied so she had some issue with me. Wanted a video call on that number too before telling her off for the ghosting.

Again, not sure how I gave the impression that they were naughty video calls. So no extorting there. Also, the two times it happened (one ages ago that was not an issue and this one where she apparently had a problem with me) there was very little talking. Just confirming identity. This recent one was someone well reviewed, and even if she wasn't  I'm not married, no girlfriend and my job is pretty menial. Literally no one is going to care.

Ok since you speak for all escorts evidenced by the "we" in your reply, explain the sudden ghosting.

Wow you guys get REALLY paranoid XD  I'm not a congressman. And again, no wife or girlfriend. I don't use any of that social media garbage aside from facebook and my facebook is empty. It's purely to use the messenger that comes with it to talk to family.  

I also struggle to see how you guys see any providers when all of them want some kind of screening. I guess you're p411 members or use references from other ladies but I do this so rarely they'll likely forget who I even am for a reference so I just go with a photo ID with the important stuff blacked out. The last lady I saw a year ago was fine with DL/Work ID.

Well, you will have to give a bit more info. Did you actually do the video call? If you did not go through with it and this is this provider's actual requirement for their screening, then that would be the reason. I do not do video calls, but if after several messages I do not receive the screening info I request I "ghost" prospective clients as well. If you did the video call, how did it go? Was your background a pig pen? Was your hair messy? Ungroomed? Were you obviously intoxicated? Were you short with her? Were you asking very specific questions that made her uncomfortable? Or did she ask a lot of specific questions about your financial accounts, etc. that really have no bearing on verification and now she has your info? I can go on and on about hundreds of different things that could have transpired, but you being "not attractive enough" for her is going to be about dead last on the list.

Yeah, the only gals that want no info at all are more than likely strung out on something and are giving heads and tails to any yahoo that finds them behind the Wendy's and has a Benny in their pocket. If you actually believe these yahoos are seeing any reputable provider without disclosing any personal info they are bull shitting you better than I ever could. Good luck gentlemen. And as always, think first with the big head.

"Well, you will have to give a bit more info."  

I did, replied with a little more detail above to some of the other posts but you probably just missed them. I can rewrite it for convenience.

"Did you actually do the video call?"

Yup. So that's not the reason. As I stated in another reply though, she wanted to facetime but as I don't have an Iphone we just used snapchat and for some reason I couldn't hear her and she couldn't hear me. Microphone was not muted or anything. Also, if I didn't have the video call, why would I assume it was due to appearance? I know you're not privy to the full rundown of events in chronological order but the call happened before any screening pictures/ID to clarify.

"but if after several messages I do not receive the screening info I request I "ghost" prospective clients as well."

I already offered a work ID with a DL which she was fine with but wanted to video call while I was free to do it, first.

"If you did the video call, how did it go?"

As I said above, we couldn't hear each other. I was checking settings so the video call was not on screen for a bit but she mostly pantomimed that she couldn't hear and was walking around with her phone I guess waiting to see if I could get it to work.

"Was your background a pig pen?"

Even if it was, the camera is pointed at the wall and couch I was sitting on. But no I have a small, clean apartment.

"Was your hair messy? Ungroomed? Were you obviously intoxicated? Were you short with her? Were you asking very specific questions that made her uncomfortable?"  

It wasn't, no, I have never drank in my life, we couldn't talk because of the voice issue, ditto to any other questions regarding conversation.

"but you being "not attractive enough" for her is going to be about dead last on the list."

Well we've gotten to the end of said list and could probably exclude those hundreds of different things because, as I said, there was no voice. And Immediately after the video call ended, I used snapchat's regular voice call to call and see if she could hear me there and she didn't answer.  

Also, I find it funny that you say it has nothing to do with attractiveness and yet you mention at least 2 things that have to do with appearance. I mean yeah sure, I could look scraggly on a call and give a first impression, but that means nothing if I am tidied up and ready for the actual meet. But you're still contradicting yourself by pointing those two things out because those would certainly make someone look unattractive.

No random video calls to just anyone.  There are some tempting  ad's  out ( skipthegames,Tryst  ,etc) there, but you better think with right head.

You are a big boy, you know that an individual of any sex can be very physically unattractive but if they are clean, polite, and have a positive personality to match you may still want to see that person. This is not rocket science buddy, I am not contradicting myself. And you also forgot to mention in your reply to me that when you thought she ghosted you that you "snapped" at her. Be polite, follow her rules, you get laid. It is really that simple. You got this!

first few years in P4P (started 2007) when I tried to book girls in the 18-20, and 21-25 age ranges, but it was a selfie they wanted, not a video.  If they don't think you are attractive, you will never hear from them again.  I was pushing 50 when I started, and admittedly, that's a huge age gap to overcome.

 
Then I discovered Kgirls, and they don't do their own booking.  It's an agency set up and they will usually do their best with everyone who walks through the door.  Consistent service and attractive appearance at a reasonable price.  

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"You are a big boy, you know that an individual of any sex can be very physically unattractive but if they are clean, polite, and have a positive personality to match you may still want to see that person."

In what context are you talking about? Because if it's as a provider, you still have not explained the reason for the sudden end of communication if that's the case. If you mean in general, yeah ok... Not sure what fairy tale you're living in..

"This is not rocket science buddy, I am not contradicting myself."

You asked if I was ungroomed or my hair messy. I'll explain it again, that's two things that have to do with appearance. So are we going to say that someone keeping their hair unkempt is reason to not see them but being unattractive on a personal level they may?? What kind of weird dichotomy is that?  

"And you also forgot to mention in your reply to me that when you thought she ghosted you that you "snapped" at her."

I didn't "snap at her" but if you want to phrase it that way, go ahead.  I'll clarify how things went:  We did the video call late in the evening. Didn't hear back from her after the attempt to do a voice call instead. So I simply texted her "Let me know or if tomorrow you'd like to finish setting it up I'm still interested".  Next morning, still no reply. Sent one last text saying good morning and asking again what time she'd be available. And then on a burner later in the day I messaged her under another number. By the afternoon she replied to the new number but no reply to my original number, though, so it wasn't that she was busy and couldn't reply back until later in the day if she WAS responding to the burner number. She asked to do the video call before even saying "i need X, Y and Z info to screen" and I told her it was strange she wanted to do that when we did so already last night. Last thing I said was thanks anyway but I'm not interested in this kind of jerking around.

"Be polite, follow her rules, "

yeah.... that's what I did. Else I wouldn't have agreed to do her video call or send her my info, of which only the former happened anyway. No other rules could be followed as she just stopped replying. Still waiting on your explanation of that by the way.

"first few years in P4P (started 2007) when I tried to book girls in the 18-20, and 21-25 age ranges, but it was a selfie they wanted, "

Yeah I've had a few ask for a selfie, again for "verification", not sure how much of that is true or not. Never got rejected before, and as I said, I have done a video call years ago, which was enough for that provider and had a good time. Now I see it twice.

On top of that I think there's a large amount of ladies who won't see Black gents for whatever reason.

Again, you guys seem to have a lot of things to lose or are just dead scared that anyone not with an agency or in p411 is some kind of scam. I totally respect your precautions but not every guy is trying to hide this hobby away from a wife or gf. Those ladies tend to be a bit pricey for nothing particularly special at all so I'd rather see ones that are a little more grass roots.  

The ironic thing about all this is the person whom I had the call with from the original post that stopped messaging back IS well reviewed on this very site too.

I am going to be real honest with you buddy. You are giving off some giant red flags just from all the time you spent rehashing this. I do not know you. I do not know her. Just from the excessive about of time you have spent making a million excuses for this when....get this....it might just be your off putting personality and she just did not like you? What is your goal here? Do you want to be "right" or get laid? Stop letting this live in your head rent free. Move on. EOM.

This fellow already pointed how difficult it was for him to see certain girls. He was 50+ and this was almost 15 years ago, but I guess that just means it's been an issue for a while. And there was no near 30-year gap between myself and the lady I was trying to make an appointment with so... yeah, makes even LESS sense.  

"You are giving off some giant red flags just from all the time you spent rehashing this."

Wants more info, then flips it around saying it's "rehashed" so do you want more info or not?

"I do not know her."

Then how do you know it's not because of lack of attraction??? You even speak for many if not most providers in your first reply of "we don't book out of attraction" Do you take notice of what you're typing???  Or do you just lose track?

"it might just be your off putting personality and she just did not like you?"

Again, we never talked. Purely texts and when we video called, no talking there either. When we texted I offered ID docs to screen (she didn't even ask I offered up two I usually use) and then agreed to the video call like she wanted. Look, I know you get off on guys letting you walk all over them as a dom but sorry lady, I'm not into that. Now if you'd like to get back on track and give a reasonable explanation that you claim there are "hundreds" of as to the reason for the sudden cease in communication, by all means, we can see if one seems to apply. So far none of the explanations-bordering-on-assumptions you've given fit particularly well. Or at all.

They want to do video call because you guys are running into do many scammers that ask for a deposit and then ghost. Video helps you realize the lady is real and the one in the pics on the ad.

Well maybe in general, but this one was already well reviewed on the board.

How does doing a video call help me realize that the lady is not a scammer??

 
And why would a provider ask for a video call for the "protection" of the client?

It's  true that there  a good providers offering great services  at a reasonable rate that are not a member  of p411,etc, but am not going to take  any risks with someone who don't  have  a footprint in the hobby. So tell these women to get in the real  game by showing  some legitimacy .
Am not taking 'one for the team',not worth it . You can.

You want an honest answer?  
SHE DOES NOT WANT TO SEE YOU.  
Move on. Find a gal that does.

Go to extreme efforts to get something simple like your phone # or your email address .  This is not involving the hobby.   Not sure what they do with it but the effort they put in means someone is making money off this. For this reason alone I would never do a facetime video. Possibly with a well established P-411 provider.

...picture a couple young hotties sitting in a hotel room topless or in sexy lingerie.  What you don't see is 15 cell phones sitting on the table in front of them.  What you don't know is whether the girls are actually in the hotel down the street or 500 miles away or in another country being paid $X per hour to take calls/deposits.  If they have video capture of you along with your PII, they've now got a product they can bring to market and sell to the highest bidder.  If you've got any reason to protect your identity, you potentially just fucked yourself for a period of time that has no end for a cost that has no limit.

Idk what is wrong with some of these women. You don't enter this business to worry about a mans looks smh.

I actually have the opposite issue. For some reason all my clients WANT to video verify but I don't. It's incredibly annoying because they will start unsolicited video calls all the time.