As a newcomer to the hobby life(just doing research and stuff for now) i wish to share a thought on getting verified. I have looked at the p411 and datecheck stuff and understand it and completely agree with the idea for everyones safety. But what about client by client verification?. what i mean is say a new guy wants in the circle but would have a hard time getting verified by one of the services due to their work parameters and such ( i.e cant take personal calls on company phone). what if a regular client of a provider could meet with him and check out all his info like work verification and name and such to prove he is who he claims. that could keep providers from doing it themselves or at least give them assurance so their screening can go easier. like i said just a thought. it could be like clients looking out for one another and watching their favorite providers back at the same time. i know if i was already in good with providers and whitelisted and all i would be happy to help out a new guy by checking him out. Persoanlly i should be able to get a p411 verification but just wondering if what im saying ever happens. i would think the more a person is vouched for the better right?

Good luck to you, anyway. =)

1.  If my client was willing to screen you (go to your job, check things out), what if you were a cop?  Now, my client is in some legal crap for getting mixed up with my screening.

2.  How can my client tell if you are going to be too rough with me, have good hygiene, and respect my boundaries?  (Sure P411 doesnt know this either but thats where the OKs help you.)

3.  What benefit does my client get from helping out some stranger?  Are you going to pay him?  If so, its probably not going to be worth his time or worth the risk of getting involved.  

Aiding & abetting...

and like i said its no so much for me as im confident i can get p411 clearance and i do intend to get to know some of the local newbie friendlies to get started. i think more than just the verification part i was thinking it would be nice to also have like a big brother/mentor for new guys trying to enter the hobby. dont get me wrong i think this site rocks and ive learned so many things i didnt know but im sure it get old sometimes for regular posters to have to read the same questions over and over. everyone here has be so very helpful and i have spent hours and hours reading threads and learning what i need to do. im sure you are right about the neutral 3rd party thing tho...best all around to keep everyone safe and the "in the shadows" feeling. thanks for your reply

it would take away from the whole anonymous aspect of everything to begin with wouldnt it. thank god for places like this to get all the views. The pimp reference never even crossed my mind...good call

Not to mention potentially messy for the altruistic 3rd party who has agreed to initiate you in to the “circle” (and—well…there is no circle to get into anyway…..)

You’re way over-thinking this

I suggest a simple, honest, no BS inquiry to a provider you would like to see. Tell her straight-up you don’t have references. Introduce yourself, be polite, and ask her if there is anything you can provide that would help her feel more comfortable. If you strike out the first time? Try again.

There are lots of reputable ladies out there who have their own creative ways of screening. I can’t tell you what they are---I’m not a provider. And that doesn't matter. I do know this is not so much a mountain as it is a minor speed-bump.  

You seem to think that there is a set verification procedure that is followed in all circumstances by all ladies. This could not be further from the truth. Ladies can be quite creative in developing innovative custom methods that will overcome any difficulty with more routine methods. Newbie? Retired? No job? Military? Student? Whatever. The good ones will come up with something that meets their need for safety. You just have to be willing to give the info she asks for. Simple.

The new guy pays the verifier.  The verifier allows the new guy to fuck him and blow him.  The verifier gives a reference.  *Poof* done.

There are very few guys I'd vouch for.  I don't want to feel responsible if she has a shitty time with him, let alone something worse.  Why would I do it?  Free pussy?  Maybe. Besides, most guys are not professional screeners and wouldn't be good at it.
Finally, you can get accepted by P411 without a call to your job.  You just have to provide other info.

your fucking joking right lol?