I understand the need for the ladies (and us) to conduct a basic verification. And I realize that many of you are willing to comply with a fairly specific list of required information. But, I find it fairly irritating that many independents want info such as Full Name, Place of Employment, Photo, Work Email, etc. I know it is my decision to comply or see another lady but seriously what I if emailed someone and said - your pics look hot and I noticed you swallow cum so I'd be interested in seeing you if you could just send me you Real First and Last name, the name of a relative you are still close to, your home address and current weight compared with that great pic on your site. Would they be satisfied that the information is "destroyed and never used again" or feel that every almost bit ever submitted across the internet is preserved in some manner and potentially viewable with a warrant?
I have NEVER had a problem with whatever system a girl uses. I don't argue with her as she feels she is doing what is in her best interest safety wise.
The tighter her screening and more broad based it is, the odds of a psycho client getting in to see her falls and can fall drastically.
You try getting into a 300 sq foot room with only one way out, with a person you have never met, who is virtually always bigger and stronger than you with a lax verification method and tell me how it works out for you.
This is why there is a second girl on your list, or should be. Sure it may be frustrating at times but by your alias, you appear to be in what I consider to be the best, or one of the best, hobby towns in the U.S. There are NUMEROUS hot women who don't require the things you mention and I see them weekly.
I take your point and don't dispute it. And correct in the city there is no shortage of well reviewed 9 or 10's that are less strict. My only complaint about NYC is the damn pricing.
Until this gentleman 'tries' this gig on his own (selling his time and companionship then perhaps he should find another hobby.
There are plenty of ladies 'around' NYC that are much less than your "damn pricing" issues. But I would almost guarantee they aren't 9's or 10's on the grand scale of things.
I'm sorry, but IMO in this instance, you get what you pay for. End of story.
That we are offering you something very special. Seems a lot of guys forget that part. Honestly $400-1000 is a small price to pay esp when a lot of ladies in NYC are full gfe & go the extra extra mile. I never understood how men can complain about price it comes off as entitled. We are people not toys, whom you have the privilege of experiencing in some of the most intimate of ways… *rant over*
every time some stranger danger comes around, attempting to drug, rape, and pimp us. Stranger dangers know the odds of getting away with hurting a sex worker are higher, especially one naive enough to let down her guard just because someone bitches about it.
I've learned over time that writing a dissertation on why I screen the way I do is a waste of time. Nowadays, I just ignore and yes. I do not respond to a lot of emails where there is blatant disregard of my wants and needs. I feel those guys are testing to see if I'd let down my guard.
Now I wouldn't contact you and waste your time, not based on your pics or your reviews, but on your verification demands. I would never give up that info.
But I have ZERO problem with you asking and no desire to knock you on it. Its what makes you feel safe and that is good enough for me.
Sometimes two people are just not compatible and that's fine.
But I see no reason for the guys to get upset by it or send you snarky emails.
It's part of life for people to disagree, and part of life for people to vocalize it with no positive effect in mind. People will always bitch for no reason just because it's entertaining to cause a stink where no stink is needed.
I'm not calling a restaurant that requires reservations and a certain membership/dress code to say, "But Baker's Square's food is just as good, so you really should let me in!" Branding is branding. If i'm not in the mood to go through screening for the foodie club, I guess I don't get to go. lol. It's all about what is worth it to us. Jaguar vs Condo? Public vs private golf club. Buying a house vs renting an apartment. I'm not starting a revolution, if it were worth it to me, I'd do it. If not, I'll go to baker's square and eat my stir-fry pita with a happy attitude. lol
Posted By: JackDunphy
Now I wouldn't contact you and waste your time, not based on your pics or your reviews, but on your verification demands. I would never give up that info.
But I have ZERO problem with you asking and no desire to knock you on it. Its what makes you feel safe and that is good enough for me.
Sometimes two people are just not compatible and that's fine.
But I see no reason for the guys to get upset by it or send you snarky emails.
some here would disagree that expressing an opinion here, is indeed 'whining'. I for one, think it is just that, expressing an opinion. So ask yourself what this is really all about, and move on.
Message boards are also 'venting' boards. Which in turn could be translated into whining boards lol.
You are using an alias. My guess, if you showed your true colors, perhaps some would take your post a lil more seriously on the opinion tip.
I'm sure Ms. Hill is anxiously waiting to get BANGED by you Jack lol. Such a romantic you are, sheesh! I thought you had $$$$ coming out of the ying yang, what's the problem? Get over there and schedule with her already. Don't make excuses. Providers don't like excuses of any kind. Be a man of your shill word.
Gg xo
Posted By: JackDunphy
I could put it on ebay and have the proceeds go to Hotplants VIP. LOL
Nah...I'll put it towards my BangAlexandraHill fund. lol
And you get to see pics, read reviews, email about specifics such as attire, physique, roleplay requests. Providers typically don't ask new clients for selfies, if they will wear a certain outfit, do a certain act, have any scars or stretch marks, etc. They could, but I doubt that would go over well.
See but that is marketing the product and service they are selling. The reason we pay rates like we do is for certainty. Otherwise we could find much less expensive options. Not comparable to identifiable info in my opinion.
Right, and when you make purchases at other places, you likely don't feel upset if they are getting your info without your getting theirs.If you do, you shop elsewhere, but you may not say to them "How would you like it if...". Yes, those places may not be making illegal transactions, but your info could still be used in damaging ways.
We bring different things to the table. There are checks and balances in the hobby and, while there's not always perfect congruence, you can vote with your money.
That is actually a really interesting point and completely valid. It's really annoying to make a purchase and 30 days later start receiving calls for warranties, support, extra services but, you are right, completely common. It's never a visit from a cop with a subpoena though!
because you wouldn't provide her with the info needed. Since you are using an alias, I don't know if you are a vetted guy or are relatively new. If someone is new, I do have to verify him with work info. If his has references, no work info is necessary. I've never asked for a photo-ever. Some ladies will take P411 or other verification site okays and nothing more. These sites are important tools for me but not the be all, end all.
I do have to have a first and last name from anyone I see. and I don't consider my NYC visiting rates high, lol.. This topic has been discussed a kazilion times over the years on TER and I'm sure it will come up again. If it makes you feel better to semi rant about how unfair it is, then maybe you feel better now? Basically for me it's full name, references and IF you are a member of P411 or Date Check, a guy's info from either site helps me verify more quickly. Work info is only needed for newbs who want to see me.
isn't this all about safety........of course for providers and us hobbyists as well? Yet, both parties must be comfortable about the exchange of information. The more detailed the information exchanged, the more vulnerable each party becomes. After all, if we have not been with a provider before and that provider has not yet been with us...........can we really be sure?
Since you mention you are new to the world of hobbying, you may consider joining a "verification website" to add a level of comfort for any provider considering accepting an appointment with you. This could be an alternative to providing that information directly to those providers whose screening process requires very detailed information.
For your added assuredness, TER is an excellent source to view providers in your area to determine if they suit your needs and if they have enough reviews, you should easily be able to rule out LE.
You will not have to "directly" reveal any personal information (to each provider you frequent) that makes you feel uncomfortable if you go the "verification website" route.
But am betting this is so basic, you already know this.
I understand the need for the ladies (and us) to conduct a basic verification. And I realize that many of you are willing to comply with a fairly specific list of required information. But, I find it fairly irritating that many independents want info such as Full Name, Place of Employment, Photo, Work Email, etc. I know it is my decision to comply or see another lady but seriously what I if emailed someone and said - your pics look hot and I noticed you swallow cum so I'd be interested in seeing you if you could just send me you Real First and Last name, the name of a relative you are still close to, your home address and current weight compared with that great pic on your site. Would they be satisfied that the information is "destroyed and never used again" or feel that every almost bit ever submitted across the internet is preserved in some manner and potentially viewable with a warrant?
I understand the need for the ladies (and us) to conduct a basic verification. And I realize that many of you are willing to comply with a fairly specific list of required information. But, I find it fairly irritating that many independents want info such as Full Name, Place of Employment, Photo, Work Email, etc. I know it is my decision to comply or see another lady but seriously what I if emailed someone and said - your pics look hot and I noticed you swallow cum so I'd be interested in seeing you if you could just send me you Real First and Last name, the name of a relative you are still close to, your home address and current weight compared with that great pic on your site. Would they be satisfied that the information is "destroyed and never used again" or feel that every almost bit ever submitted across the internet is preserved in some manner and potentially viewable with a warrant?
I am very reference friendly and not a shady provider, nor am I territorial. Any man who knows me after my screening knows I am always happy to make referrals for him, and also send/recommend him to other providers in my area and abroad - that I trust and know would be a good fit for his taste.
Any lady who asks me to provide a reference knows she will get a thorough, happy to give, reference per her request, and a wish for a great, safe, and fun date... (if she is reputable and can prove she is actually an escort, not some wife pretending to be barbie knox from Hawaii of course, lol.)
But these guys fear they are at risk for losing their jobs and refuse to give their "working name" to us, only to have the opportunity to have our "working name" - where we make our bread and butter, to which they can also tarnish and ruin. So if we fuck up under our real name on match.com at the Olive Garden by throwing a plate of spaghetti his head and dumping wine down his shorts, we go back under our stage name and business as usual. We do that under our stage name, better bet our bread and butter is held accountable and docked a few points.
Referring a gentleman out to another lady under my stage name is always beneficial, and I don't consider that a knock to my name. Robbing a man under my stage name would never be tolerated, and word would get around quickly, thus, docking my rep and income. Not a smart move.
Posted By: Fancy8888
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
That's what all hookers say that's my bread and butter.That's why don't help with references.
I am very reference friendly and not a shady provider, nor am I territorial. Any man who knows me after my screening knows I am always happy to make referrals for him, and also send/recommend him to other providers in my area and abroad - that I trust and know would be a good fit for his taste.
Any lady who asks me to provide a reference knows she will get a thorough, happy to give, reference per her request, and a wish for a great, safe, and fun date... (if she is reputable and can prove she is actually an escort, not some wife pretending to be barbie knox from Hawaii of course, lol.)
But these guys fear they are at risk for losing their jobs and refuse to give their "working name" to us, only to have the opportunity to have our "working name" - where we make our bread and butter, to which they can also tarnish and ruin. So if we fuck up under our real name on match.com at the Olive Garden by throwing a plate of spaghetti his head and dumping wine down his shorts, we go back under our stage name and business as usual. We do that under our stage name, better bet our bread and butter is held accountable and docked a few points.
Referring a gentleman out to another lady under my stage name is always beneficial, and I don't consider that a knock to my name. Robbing a man under my stage name would never be tolerated, and word would get around quickly, thus, docking my rep and income. Not a smart move.
Posted By: Fancy8888
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
That's what all hookers say that's my bread and butter.That's why don't help with references.
-- Modified on 2/18/2016 3:08:32 PM
You don't have to explain yourself to me or single me out.A lot hookers dont want to lose bread and butter that's why won't help clients with references.Thanks!
Aww, i most definitely wasn't singling you out, but I did want to clarify what I meant. However, I love your posts, and always look forward to them!
Posted By: Fancy8888
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
I am very reference friendly and not a shady provider, nor am I territorial. Any man who knows me after my screening knows I am always happy to make referrals for him, and also send/recommend him to other providers in my area and abroad - that I trust and know would be a good fit for his taste.
Any lady who asks me to provide a reference knows she will get a thorough, happy to give, reference per her request, and a wish for a great, safe, and fun date... (if she is reputable and can prove she is actually an escort, not some wife pretending to be barbie knox from Hawaii of course, lol.)
But these guys fear they are at risk for losing their jobs and refuse to give their "working name" to us, only to have the opportunity to have our "working name" - where we make our bread and butter, to which they can also tarnish and ruin. So if we fuck up under our real name on match.com at the Olive Garden by throwing a plate of spaghetti his head and dumping wine down his shorts, we go back under our stage name and business as usual. We do that under our stage name, better bet our bread and butter is held accountable and docked a few points.
Referring a gentleman out to another lady under my stage name is always beneficial, and I don't consider that a knock to my name. Robbing a man under my stage name would never be tolerated, and word would get around quickly, thus, docking my rep and income. Not a smart move.
Posted By: Fancy8888
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
That's what all hookers say that's my bread and butter.That's why don't help with references.
-- Modified on 2/18/2016 3:08:32 PM
You don't have to explain yourself to me or single me out.A lot hookers dont want to lose bread and butter that's why won't help clients with references.Thanks!
Aww, i most definitely wasn't singling you out, but I did want to clarify what I meant. However, I love your posts, and always look forward to them! Thank you doll.
Posted By: Fancy8888
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
I am very reference friendly and not a shady provider, nor am I territorial. Any man who knows me after my screening knows I am always happy to make referrals for him, and also send/recommend him to other providers in my area and abroad - that I trust and know would be a good fit for his taste.
Any lady who asks me to provide a reference knows she will get a thorough, happy to give, reference per her request, and a wish for a great, safe, and fun date... (if she is reputable and can prove she is actually an escort, not some wife pretending to be barbie knox from Hawaii of course, lol.)
But these guys fear they are at risk for losing their jobs and refuse to give their "working name" to us, only to have the opportunity to have our "working name" - where we make our bread and butter, to which they can also tarnish and ruin. So if we fuck up under our real name on match.com at the Olive Garden by throwing a plate of spaghetti his head and dumping wine down his shorts, we go back under our stage name and business as usual. We do that under our stage name, better bet our bread and butter is held accountable and docked a few points.
Referring a gentleman out to another lady under my stage name is always beneficial, and I don't consider that a knock to my name. Robbing a man under my stage name would never be tolerated, and word would get around quickly, thus, docking my rep and income. Not a smart move.
Posted By: Fancy8888
Posted By: Courtney.Ova
That's what all hookers say that's my bread and butter.That's why don't help with references.
-- Modified on 2/18/2016 3:08:32 PM
You don't have to explain yourself to me or single me out.A lot hookers dont want to lose bread and butter that's why won't help clients with references.Thanks!
I understand the need for the ladies (and us) to conduct a basic verification. And I realize that many of you are willing to comply with a fairly specific list of required information. But, I find it fairly irritating that many independents want info such as Full Name, Place of Employment, Photo, Work Email, etc. I know it is my decision to comply or see another lady but seriously what I if emailed someone and said - your pics look hot and I noticed you swallow cum so I'd be interested in seeing you if you could just send me you Real First and Last name, the name of a relative you are still close to, your home address and current weight compared with that great pic on your site. Would they be satisfied that the information is "destroyed and never used again" or feel that every almost bit ever submitted across the internet is preserved in some manner and potentially viewable with a warrant?
If you have TER are a VIP and have at least 3 providers on your whitelist, i am comfortable with just that.
If you are on P411 and are a Plus member, contact me through there and I will see you.
If you are not, but have seen many providers, references with at least 2 reviews are accepted (anywhere from 1-3 references based in web presence)
If these three do not apply, then yes I want all of ur information:
1st and last name, date of birth, a picture of your photo ID, a 25$ gift card to pay for your verification process, alone with your cell phone email, and a regular selfie type comparison photo to ensure ur ID is your ID.
Look, as pointed out, getting verified through a service such as P411 can save you a lot of hassle. It's a small sum of money that gives you access to most of the ladies listed there. Why would you even contact someone that asked for that type of verification if you aren't willing to give it?
I do read providers websites, P411 listing etc.. and at this point wouldn't even consider giving my personal information out again. If all those okays aren't enough we won't meet. No biggie, there are tons of other options.
Point and click "dating" like what happens with most on P411, is almost to easy
I rarely refuse, but Whitelists help, but even then, most providers and sgecues will want to contact the referrals.
With that said, I find backup (non WL) works as well or better. If that doesn't seal the deal, the lady just doesn't want to see me. It's only happened once, so I'm pretty happy.
I recently had an esteemed agency ask me for the private email for one of her part timers .. lol. I complied but got a sterling referral from another gal and got an email 5 minutes later welcoming me to the club. Never underestimate the value of a referral. Based on that one reply, I was offered the last spot for possibly the biggest all inclusive party of the year, not counting UTR partays.
Always comply politely. Decorum is often the differentiator in yes or no. I enjoy the same, regardless how far a lady is willing to push her or my limits. Happy hobbying.
Posted By: NYCforBusiness
I understand the need for the ladies (and us) to conduct a basic verification. And I realize that many of you are willing to comply with a fairly specific list of required information. But, I find it fairly irritating that many independents want info such as Full Name, Place of Employment, Photo, Work Email, etc. I know it is my decision to comply or see another lady but seriously what I if emailed someone and said - your pics look hot and I noticed you swallow cum so I'd be interested in seeing you if you could just send me you Real First and Last name, the name of a relative you are still close to, your home address and current weight compared with that great pic on your site. Would they be satisfied that the information is "destroyed and never used again" or feel that every almost bit ever submitted across the internet is preserved in some manner and potentially viewable with a warrant?
knowing dayum well they give complete and verifiable identity. Seen it played out many times. Twisted af. Gotta keep the hookers readily available for their appointment. -Not yours.
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then perhaps he should find another hobby. 
