A Comment on YMMV.  Isn't YMMV just another way of saying that the girl does not provide consistent or even good service for the expendature?  After all, the amount of the donation does not vary, so why should the girl get to be indifferent, snippy or unprofessional if she feels like it that day?  Seems to me that when she is giving it away, she has the perogative of varying all over the place, but when she is working professionally, she should do a good job even if she doesn't feel like it.  If she doesn't want to work, then fine, don't accept the call and don't provide bad service.  I realize that the providers won't like this concept, as they want to have the right to do as they please and still collect $$$$, but if I paid for anyother type of personal service and one time it was excellent & the next lousy, I would correctly think that I had been poorly treated.

or DATY required certain comfort level on the lady's part to do so.  Just remember that not every lady listed the kind of services that are available.  Some reviewers might exaggerate things in their reviews.  Other more advance services such as Greek are very incidental depending on the mood and the readiness of a lady on that particular day.

Are you saying that one time it's good & the next time lousy, & it's with the SAME gal??  I've never had that happen myself.  And that's not what YMMV typically means.

While I can somewhat understand you view on YMMV, let me give you some insight from one providers point of view.

Some ladies love to kiss. I in particular am I great advocate of making out. But when I see a gentleman who has been smoking cigars for the last 12 hours, there is no way I am going to feel amorous or passionate about kissing him. I also know ladies who love to go to Greece, but there has been the occasion when ladies have told me that there have been gents who in no way shape or form were going to get anywhere near that country with the equipment they were carrying. These are both cases of YMMV.

As GC said, this is an intimate business. You will be hard pressed to find another business or commodity that even comes close to comparison to this one. You are dealing with physical aspects here and sometimes emotions and fantasys. I do agree that the lady should always be professional, but to say she should do "XYZ" because she is being paid, whether she wants to or not is just insane. You can absolutely avoid this issue by reading the reviews and talking to her beforehand. And if her reviews say YMMV, then go to the next one.

I personally do not believe that every date is the same. The gents are all different, the atmosphere and the timing. You could line up 20 gents I have seen in the last few months and the only comman denominator would be me. And for my regulars, the service varies also for a number of reasons. How we both feel that day. What we did before the date, sometimes its romantic, sometimes its animalistic and there are times it is just comfortable. But the one standard is the "quality" of the service. That never varies.

YMMV has nothing to do with good or bad service or the lack thereof. It has everything to do with the fact that you are dealing with people and we are as complex and hard to understand as anything on this planet.

but thats just me

Lass

My view is the wonderful lady has full and complete control of the situation...as it should be. She is a person, quite identical to any hobbyist, and is entitled to respond and react to each situation as she sees fit. Your precious $, my fellow hobbyist, entitles you to virtually nada. Leave your expectations and porno fantasy scenario at the damn door, enter the encounter as though you were seeing a past sweet love and your mileage may improve dramatically...try being a BFE...it might be a challenge for the control dudes who perceive that their almighty dollar entitles them to something grand...it doesn't nor should it, but for the rest of us who want to truly enjoy a lady's uninhibited and enthusiastic company... relax, be present, repect the sweet darling and go with the flow...your return on investment will increase multifold. Words from a Boston BFE who loves women, is married to mone and has 2 daughters...learn to respect a lady offering her talents and the world will open up!

I couldn't agree more.  We're talking about people here, not machines.  Women are complex, they have good and bad days, they're on the same life journey we're all on - some you'll click with, others you won't.  I had good luck on repeats, in every case it has been more fun then the first.  However if that trend doesn't hold out - what the big deal? A few bucks?

There is a big difference between being ripped off and having my date decide she doesn't want to do a marathon BBBJ session like in one of her reviews.  

Thank god you're complex - I for one love that most about women.

Fitguy

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...I'm forever amazed that some people think a provider should ALWAYS provide the same services to EVERYONE.  I, for one, would not be interested in seeing someone who's sessions were just a carbon copy of her previous ones.  I hope, and even expect, that my sessions with a provider will be different from the guy who saw her before me--because I'M different than the guy before.  Also, while I've not had what I consider a bad session, if I did I would think that I was at least partly responsible.  How self centered do you need to be to always blame the girl for a less than satisfactory session?

For me, the YMMV aspect of the hobby is what keeps me in it.

A gentleman uses the term YMMV when he feels that HE is responsible for the experience he's had with the girl he reviews, in one way or another.

Afterall, how would he know that your milieage may vary, except for the fact that you aren't him.

If a guy feels that he's had a particularly extraordinary experience, and feels that it's atributable to how wonderful he, himself is, he may want to tell us about the experience, but be concerned about delivering the wrong impression about the companion. So he adds the caviete, "Your Mileage May Vary."

At the same time, a gentleman may have a particularly bad time on an occasion, but see that the girl is widely well spoken of by most others. He too, may wish to tell us about the experience, but admit to us that it may have had something to do with him, and therefore, "Your Mileage May Vary."

Frankly, I don't think the YMMV notation has anything to do with the companion at all.

rik

I don't think that YMMV even needs to imply bad service, simply different service.

I have an ATF with whom I've had several wonderful extended dates (weekends and more) an neither of us are just the same throught the whole of these get-togethers.  Not every minute has been a total thrill, if you know what I mean.  

None the less, I'm about to spend another week with her and I can't wait.  And she is so good that she has me believing the she can hardly wait too.

I am a believer in the fact that any YMMV situation is at least as much the doing of the client as it is the provider, and in most cases probably more so.  The gals are human just like us, and as humans they react differently to the personalities of those they are in contact with.  Therefore, if the guy comes across as an asshole, he'll probably be treated as such.  As Lass said, if he spent the past 12 hours smoking cigars, and hasn't the common courtesy of some oral hygiene, then it would be difficult for him to get some DFK.  I'm a smoker and I guess I learned this the YMMV way.  My YMMV experiences have been few and very far between, thankfully, and I attribute that to good hygiene, good attitude, and respect for my partner, whoever she may be.  Think of it almost as a job interview.  First impressions do count.

I agree with what many people have already said in this thread with a couple of small exceptions.  Celtic Lass mentioned talking to the girl beforehand.  In most cases the ladies do not want to discuss any services provided because of LE concerns.  Many ladies have posted on their websites that they do not want to talk about the date.  By talking to the lady on the phone perhaps you can get an insight into her personality but I feel sure that Zara sounded good on the phone to all of those men that were ripped off by her.

Riker states " I don't think the YMMV notation has anything to do with the companion at all".  In some cases he may be correct that it has to do with how a gentleman behaves on the date.  However it may also indicate an inconsistency in the ladies performance.  For example a reviewer may observe that the provider seems to have sudden mood changes.  A reviewer might also might have had a bad time that was the result of the lady having a bad day (last client was an ass, personal problems, illness, etc.) and would indicate YMMV because he assumes that she does not always have bad days.  You could come up with any number of examples that would reflect on both provider and hobbyist.

that most ladies do not like to discuss services because of LE concerns, but for me personally, I will not discuss anything on the phone until a gent is screened and verified. It is at that point we can talk alittle about what is expected and then if the gentleman would like to decline he can absolutely do so with no argument from me.

And while I understand talking on the phone will only give you a slight feel as to how the lady is personality wise....there really is no way of knowing if YMMV will factor into the equation. It is a double edged sword in alot of cases. If "Constance" has consistant reviews that describe the same exact service every time, then she is labeled as mechanical or an actress. But if her reviews vary in content and service than she is termed YMMV. With that some gents, like the one who started this thread, believe she is lazy and not providing good service.

The term YMMV is about as inconsistnat as GFE. We all have our notions as to what it means and how it should be percieved. And unless you are just looking for a body to bang (sorry I know that was crude) I still stand by good healthy verbal communication as one of the keys to avoiding disapointment in what services are rendered.

~Lass

"If a guy feels that he's had a particularly extraordinary experience, and feels that it's atributable to how wonderful he, himself is,"

It might even be simpler than that. The guy may know he is especially attracted to a particular body type or technique that others would not appreciate quite the same way. I, for example, know that since I particularly enjoy Asian women, a girl that I think is a 7 or 8 might be rated a 5 or 6 by another gent. Likewise, I like kissing more than any other part of the visit. If a girl is a fantastic kisser, I don't need her to be a contortionist or a complete animal bed. Someone else might expect more.

Good point. I like to make things sound more complicated.

Each provider is unique in what she has to offer.  Each gent is different in what he looks for when meeting with a lady.  We all have unique and individual tastes.  No one way is right or wrong.  For example;

There are those that prefer the type of service in which they are in/out/done.  The wham bam kind of service is the way I describe it.  Nothing wrong with that if that is what you seek and there are many lovely ladies out there whose style reflects that.  Then there are those that like to take their time and ease into things.  Nothing wrong with that either.

I am in the mindset that in order to have a memorable time, both parties need to be having an enjoyable time.  I know what makes my body tick and know what it will take to be able to provide the best service and therefore advertise such and look for those likeminded in what makes for an enjoyable experience.

That is why our websites are key.  But, to often there are those individuals that do not take the time to read what kind of services a lady offerers.  They see a picture and call without reading. I believe reading is key in getting what you want.  Only sooo much screening on a ladies part can assure a good match.

I am not the wham bam type.  It is a great turn off for me and because of it, cannot give the best service for those that seek that type of service.  Sooo...when a gent comes through the door groping me, I know my body will not respond, they will have a horrible time with me and leave disapointed and in wonder as to why that is after reading such wonderful reviews.  YMMV will come to mind.  

Bottom line is that the gent did not do his research in what it is exactly that I have to offer and his gift wasted for he was not fulfilled.  

Other factors also come to play.  Hygeine is a big one.  Walk in with fur on your teeth or not having showered in a week, well, how could one expect somebody to overlook that between the gagging.

Then there is what I call the click.  Personalities have to match also to some degree.  And some mix like oil and water.  That is not to say that there is anything wrong with one party or the other, it is just that no matter how great a picture looks, her personality is going to be key also.  She may be a raving beauty and have the personality of attila the hun or vice versa.  That is never taken in to consideration either.

Many forget that we are human and services provided are of a human nature.  What works for one gent is not going to work for another.  So many factors come in to play in choosing someone to play with and makes all the difference in the world.  It bewilders me that so many cannot see that.  

Read the websites is all I can reiterate.  It will make the odds much better in finding that lady that will knock your socks off.

Just my point of view!

Lauren

Aphroditez said it all.

I agree with Lauren and Lass.  I know that I for one do screen and require a phone conversation prior to any meeting.  If I do not feel a connection on the phone there is a 90% chance I won't meet that person.  Mental stimulation and common expectation is as much part of the experience as anything else.

I also like to know from my clients if there is anything that perhaps I could have done differently, even if they are walking out the door with a toothy grin on their face.

There was a reply that some women may not be for some men.  I know I fall into that category by being a BBW.  I know that if someone has never had the pleasure of being with a woman of size, their experience will be different then a gentleman that adores them.  Each situation is different and needs to be taken as such.  I don't treat my clients the same and I don't want them to treat me the same way as the last  lady they spent time with.   I am me.  An individual.  As we all are.  

It appears that the term YMMV depends on the interpretation of the individual.  If you base that on the reviews of a woman shouldn't the inquiring client get the woman's point of view?

Just my $.02
Jan

how a good relationship works between two people, as in neither
person is right nor wrong, we are all very different from one
another but yet we share alot of the same needs enotionally,
so the key to a good relationship is to find that person whom
you can get along with as in allows you to be who you are and
to meet your needs ect, and of course for you to allow the same
of that other person. and again very good job of saying it in
a very undrerstandable context, now if we all could find a mate
whom we click with then the world would be alot more peaceful of
a place to live!

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"She may be a raving beauty and have the personality of attila the hun or vice versa."

What would vice versa be in this case?  Someone who has Attila's looks and the personality of a raving beauty?  Both of those might well be severe disadvantages in a provider.

It is so refreshing to see an instance in which someone is willing to help another.  It says a lot about your character and something so rare these days. Thanks Again!

-- Modified on 11/4/2002 7:37:15 AM

ROTFL.....I guess you could interpret it that way.  Cute!  It was meant in the sense that it works both ways for gentlemen and ladies.  The gent could be a virtual Attilla the Hun also.  Just try and keep a smile on your face when someone treats you with the most utter disrespect...it doesn't last long....no matter how good he looks.

Thanks for the laugh!

Lauren