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MP67 11 Reviews 182 reads
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First off, the modern terms are 'reconditioned' or 'pre-owned'. And used cars are actually hawked more now because of the economy. People are short on money, the depreciation is already taken into account, mileage, a few dents and dings. You get my drift.

It's all in the wording that makes shit sound better. And yes, I have a lot of dealings with car dealerships.

But yeah, it's sad to say that a lady can't put on her resume 'sex worker' without being scrutinized and actually shunned or laughed at because she is/was serious about her employment history as far as what she did for money.

When you think about it, takes a hell of a lot of initiative to post an ad and do the work, keep up with the advertising, marketing yourself by talking on the boards letting your customers know you're around and 'open for business'. Word of mouth is a great tool, especially when you excel at your craft.

So when you can command 4,5,7$ even a G for an hour of your time, must be doing something right.

Salesmanship.

Fuck, I'd hire 'em. Already do, when you think about it. But if I had a business where I needed shit sold, and I knew a few well placed ladies with the proper attitude would get it done. Fuck yeah. I don't give a fuck if they used to spread their legs for a living, or if they even continue with that practice.

I couldn't be a hypocrite because I'd continue to venture in that enterprise, and if said ladies increased my bottom line so I could? Well, you tell me. ;)

beenthere2551378 reads

See link.  What would it be like if one of the most important transformative professional experiences of your life was something that you could never put on your resume?  What if you worked harder and were more successful than lots of others your age but all you had to show for it was a mysterious blank spot in your work experience?  What if you had oodles of contacts and 'insider' knowledge but could never admit it?

A lot of guys here like to express support for the ladies.  Fine.  But doing so under an alias on an internet message board is one thing.  The real world is another.

Some of you own businesses.  Some of you are in positions where you make hiring and firing decisions.  

Perhaps you're interested in workers who have run their own small business?  Workers with ambition and excellent people skills?

All of you are voters.  Some of you might have the ears of politicians.  All of you talk to friends and acquaintances and express opinions.

Perhaps you're interested in opposing stereotyping, stigmatization, and sexual prejudice?  A few well-placed comments can make a difference.

Isn't this Do a Little to Change The World Month?  It could be.

Related Link: http://www.salon.com/life/sex_work/index.html?story=/mwt/feature/2011/05/04/hooker_teac...

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MP67196 reads

Sometimes you know more than you should, and you use it. For instance, a huge account wants to use another service. They didn't READ THEIR CONTRACT! I have them for 3 more years unless they want to buy out, which will cost them close to $170g.

I actually smile when I talk with the perpetrators cuz I know what I'm instore for. I write the fucking things. Ain't my goddam fault they don't read it before they sign.

I lay it out for you, and actually give you the opportunity to go over it. You sign it, you're stuck and have no one to blame but yourself.

I might be stupid on occasion, but I'm not dumb.

As far as the ladies, they know what they're doing for the most part. Some think they did the right thing for the right reason and it blew up in their face. They got it rectified, and that was that. Business as usual.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this thing we're in is much more forgiving than real life shit.

I got my jaws locked in like a pit bull on my deal.

How many others would just let shit go like that?

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phroophroo204 reads

I think that the article you linked can open up some really good dialog. However, and I know this sounds horrible, putting any kind of reference to sex work on a resume would be akin to putting "Used car salesman" on your resume. Sure, not all salesmen are unscrupulous, fact-hiding, weasel faced bastards eager to snatch some poor kid's money away on his first car; but a lot are. Similarly, there are plenty of escorts that can't run a business, are dishonest, and really have no business in the professional world. Even if sex work became an acceptable norm you'd still need to figure out a way to, excuse the phrase, sell yourself to a potential employer.


I'd love to see sex work brought into the light and decriminalized, and I bring up the topic when I can, but it won't be any time soon sad to say.

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MP67183 reads

First off, the modern terms are 'reconditioned' or 'pre-owned'. And used cars are actually hawked more now because of the economy. People are short on money, the depreciation is already taken into account, mileage, a few dents and dings. You get my drift.

It's all in the wording that makes shit sound better. And yes, I have a lot of dealings with car dealerships.

But yeah, it's sad to say that a lady can't put on her resume 'sex worker' without being scrutinized and actually shunned or laughed at because she is/was serious about her employment history as far as what she did for money.

When you think about it, takes a hell of a lot of initiative to post an ad and do the work, keep up with the advertising, marketing yourself by talking on the boards letting your customers know you're around and 'open for business'. Word of mouth is a great tool, especially when you excel at your craft.

So when you can command 4,5,7$ even a G for an hour of your time, must be doing something right.

Salesmanship.

Fuck, I'd hire 'em. Already do, when you think about it. But if I had a business where I needed shit sold, and I knew a few well placed ladies with the proper attitude would get it done. Fuck yeah. I don't give a fuck if they used to spread their legs for a living, or if they even continue with that practice.

I couldn't be a hypocrite because I'd continue to venture in that enterprise, and if said ladies increased my bottom line so I could? Well, you tell me. ;)

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beenthere255180 reads

...That's why I actually like TER.  It helps force professionalism into a business that badly needs it.

But still, maybe you go overboard a little.  How many investment bankers still list that they worked at  Goldman Sachs or Fannie Mae 2000-2008?  And yet they fucked more people than most women in the biz ever have.

Point is, experience is experience.  There are great waitresses and terrible waitresses.  But do we automatically discount waitress experience?

It would be nice to see this...

"Oh, you were an independent escort*?  And how much did you make on a monthly basis?  Did you do the website and advertising yourself?  How did you handle difficult customers? ..."  Etc.  

It always takes time to change the world.


[*No doubt we'll get the usual annoying sort of resume euphemisms, though: 'Private entertainer', 'Erotic performer', 'Full contact modeling agent', 'Male mid-life crisis consultant', 'Phallus inspector', 'Bed actress', 'sensuality guide', 'emotional engineer', ...]

Posted By: phroophroo
I think that the article you linked can open up some really good dialog. However, and I know this sounds horrible, putting any kind of reference to sex work on a resume would be akin to putting "Used car salesman" on your resume. Sure, not all salesmen are unscrupulous, fact-hiding, weasel faced bastards eager to snatch some poor kid's money away on his first car; but a lot are. Similarly, there are plenty of escorts that can't run a business, are dishonest, and really have no business in the professional world. Even if sex work became an acceptable norm you'd still need to figure out a way to, excuse the phrase, sell yourself to a potential employer.


I'd love to see sex work brought into the light and decriminalized, and I bring up the topic when I can, but it won't be any time soon sad to say.

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scoed202 reads

I have hired a lady I know for a fact was a sex worker. I personally would not hesitate to hire someone that worked in this business. She is is one of my hardest working employees. The only issue is some of her fellow employees also knew she was a sex worker and was not so cool about. I got that dealt with now though.

I would hire anther qualified former sex worker (or current if she was discreet) if she was the best person for the job.

I also have the ear of a state senator. He agrees in principle that prostitution should be legal, yet  thinks it is career suicide to support it's legalization in Utah. I am sure he is right. But if that changes he would be on board for legalization of prostitution. I have talked with him about it.

I don't know if what I have done though matters in the least.

Posted By: BashfulJohn
See link.  What would it be like if one of the most important transformative professional experiences of your life was something that you could never put on your resume?  What if you worked harder and were more successful than lots of others your age but all you had to show for it was a mysterious blank spot in your work experience?  What if you had oodles of contacts and 'insider' knowledge but could never admit it?

A lot of guys here like to express support for the ladies.  Fine.  But doing so under an alias on an internet message board is one thing.  The real world is another.

Some of you own businesses.  Some of you are in positions where you make hiring and firing decisions.  

Perhaps you're interested in workers who have run their own small business?  Workers with ambition and excellent people skills?

All of you are voters.  Some of you might have the ears of politicians.  All of you talk to friends and acquaintances and express opinions.

Perhaps you're interested in opposing stereotyping, stigmatization, and sexual prejudice?  A few well-placed comments can make a difference.

Isn't this Do a Little to Change The World Month?  It could be.

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beenthere255218 reads

Posted By: scoed

I don't know if what I have done though matters in the least.
Mahatma Gandhi said: "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it."

(Remember that Gandhi arguably did more to take down the British Empire than any other single person in history).


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GaGamblerssmarterbrother187 reads

and I have been more than happy to provide cover for a few girls who have had "gaps" in their resumes. lol

It's not fair, but it is a fact of life that putting "sex worker" on a resume is professional suicide in most industries. Many of my friends are or have been providers, I don't mind helping my friends avoid the unfair bigotry of others.

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OldTraveler153 reads

I have not been in a position to hire a provider but I would have no problem with it if, as you say, she is the best qualified.

I have given character references to ladies when I knew them well enough.  There are a lot of creative yet truthful ways to word things, and I have helped some ladies with polishing their resumes to fill in or tough up blank areas.

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RealityChecks174 reads

she is a DUMB ASS!

I know several great sex activists. They are usually doing their work under assumed names to preserve their anonymity.  Those who are "out" to public are pursuing careers where their past and current activities are not in violation of moral clauses of their employment.

After her story, many people have said "No i don't have a problem with ex sex worker teaching my kids.  I do have a problem with someone so DUMB teaching my kids".

What we do is illegal.  Should it be legalized? Yes.  But it is not. And whether we like it or not we should take it into consideration.

She saw Ashley Dupree snatching glam spot as columnist and miscalculated her own chances as stardom.

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mrfisher197 reads

so there is no real issue with their resumes.

I do review new hires at work.  While I don't personally see anything wrong per se with a person listing escort on their resume, it would make me questionn the person's judgement to see them do so.

It's one of those ironies of the business.

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MP67211 reads

So you're saying if a lady came into your office and applied for a job, and you knew, or she stated upfront on her resume, she was/is a provider(in so many words), knowing what and who YOU do, you'd hold that against her?

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mrfisher169 reads

I know a bunch of gals whose intelligence and acumen would make them a good fit for a job, and would hire them if circumstances warranted it.

On the other hand, if the gal put "sex worker" on her resume, I'd have to wonder about her discretion, and whether she would go making this known widely leading to disention and controversy through out the office and among customers.

Similarly, if a male applied for a job and listed under hobbies that he see sex workers, I would dismiss them for similar reasons.

It is perhaps a sad and ironic thing, but that's the world we live in.

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MP67138 reads

Everybody knows I kiss your ass, so I thought it would be fun to tease those and let them think there was a sense of dissent in the mrfisher/MP deal.

I know. And you know. And I know you know I know we have wicked sense of humors! lol!

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