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Dr Who revived 412 reads
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She claims to think that there are 1 million members and only has 587 in her sample size.

And if she had actually used some credible level of a sample size, I really wonder how meaningful any of her assertions might be.

I went through much of her study, and come to the conclusion that she is full of shit!  And her stats seem to support that comment  :D

I honestly would have found it fun to see which johns participated in this study.  But from the results, I could probably name 584 of the 587 participants  LOL

mrfisher2759 reads

The Former Love Goddess of The Erotic Highway Board, Dr. Christine Milrod, asked me to post this for our edification and betterment of the hobby.

For new members who may not remember her, you can go back and research her posts on The Erotic Highway Board.

Related Link: The raw data

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prepkid413 reads

Thank you for the link btw. Interesting looking read.

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Dr Who revived413 reads

She claims to think that there are 1 million members and only has 587 in her sample size.

And if she had actually used some credible level of a sample size, I really wonder how meaningful any of her assertions might be.

I went through much of her study, and come to the conclusion that she is full of shit!  And her stats seem to support that comment  :D

I honestly would have found it fun to see which johns participated in this study.  But from the results, I could probably name 584 of the 587 participants  LOL

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Bostonguy57368 reads

Not sure where she got the estimation of a million members (perhaps from TER) but the sample size is based on the number of guys who responded to the survey when she posted it (yes, i was one of those who responded).  I know you didn't care for the Doctor but it's a research paper.  If by "self-serving" you mean she is publishing her work I guess your right but that's what all researchers do.

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Dr Who revived327 reads

And the good Dr. is no exception.  And you are wrong...I had absolutely NO issues with TLG.  I didn't agree with much of what she babbled, but like anyone, she is entitled to her opinion.

And just as we can do with numbers in the world of accounting.  Just let me know how you want me to make things look...and voila...there it is.  And even considering how often those numbers are clearly fiction...many still want to believe!

Honestly, a fair sample size based on an approximation of 1 millions johns should be at least...30,000-60,000 respondents.

And her sample size is just laughable considering this.  And I wouldn't be shocked to know that she "hand selected" many of them as well  LOL

Seems like I hear that same bullshit at the RNC and now the DNC.  And all of it is simply posturing for someone's personal gains.  Heck..you think TLG is looking for some grant money?

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Claudius42310351 reads

how can you get a "correct" number for sample size without first specifying how precise (let alone accurate) you want the percentages to be? there's no F-ing way!

on a sample size of 40,000 the precisision is 0.5% which would seem to be overkill unless there is some demonstrable need. on her sample size it's maybe about 4%. her sample is on the order of the same sizes used in election polling. remember in order to double the precision (decrease % error by half) you have to quadruple the sample size. so precision costs more effort.

now as to accuracy, you have to be able to make sure you have controls that your sample actually fairly represents the population. that wasn't done in this study.

so on sample size, i don't see much to complain about. but the selection effects.... that would be a problem.

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bennyonesix267 reads

I did like 5 min google-fu and stopped because of the silliness of what he said.

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Dr Who revived312 reads

Posted By: bennyonesix
I did like 5 min google-fu and stopped because of the silliness of what he said.
But for the simple minds...I guess that whole 5 minutes was plenty  LOL

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bennyonesix246 reads

No, it only took 5 min to determine you did not understand what you were talking about and that your criticism of the piece was baseless.

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Claudius42310300 reads

so i wasn't going there. i'll tell you why i think your shot is cheap, though....

fact is accountants are not usually statisticians and / or specialists in experiment design and vice versa. accounting is outside my skill set.

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Dr Who revived333 reads

Many CPA's use stats to analyze data and trends.  However, not in a similar context as an experimental data set such as was used by TLG.

But...when data is not sufficiently represented, or otherwise skewed, the results can and are often twisted to meet the needs of the observer.

Heck...if Arthur Andersen had used LG's small sample size they might have given a clean opinion on Enron...oh, wait a minute...they did  LOL

And FWIW...many of my "real" stats friends of mine have entertaining debates over this type of topic.  And they always can convince me that their numbers are accurate  :D

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Claudius42310313 reads

not for nothing is it said "lies, damned lies, and statistics".

all i know is that the only numbers i'll bring to a stats fight are the ones that i've rolled myself (or know so well i might as well have). the above stats are like taking a singshot to an artillery barrage.

of course all my numbers are flawless, perfaect and an accurate reflection of reality. LOL!

(i do try.... but... hell not even i am perfect.) ;-)

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bennyonesix304 reads

That data set was reasonable and appropriate and not subject to criticism.

And if you knew you didn't know what you were talking about and were unsure you were correct, why did you launch the criticism?

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Dr Who revived247 reads

Allright Mr. Smarty Pants...YOU are now deciding what is and isn't subject to criticism?

Yea...go and read the posts again.

And google some of this shit...and educate yourself!

I'd be happy to do so if you prefer...I'll need an advance engagement fee of $ 25k before I spend one second wasting my time on someone as ignorant as you appear to be.  Let me know when the wire transfer is being sent  LOL

Or is Dr. Milrod YOUR shrink...and you just need to shill for her?

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bennyonesix290 reads

Your criticism was baseless and erroneous. That was the problem, not that you criticized the piece.

I have no idea who this woman is and didn't read much of the piece. But, I didn't have to to see what you had done.

As always, no substantive response to the criticism lodged against you.

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bennyonesix244 reads

But you didn't run your mouth about it while launching yet another baseless criticism of someone. That was the problem.

His was the cheap shot.

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Dr Who revived328 reads

SHE knows how to get a hold of me.

You OTOH are simply a peon whose love of nonsense gets the best of you!

Stats...You have NO fucking clue!!

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bennyonesix325 reads

Once again, nothing of substance or relevance.

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nearlynapping385 reads


The number needed in the sample depends on how carefully you pick your sample. The Federally run NHANES (National Health and Nutrition Survey) run by the US Center for Disease Control uses 1 subject to represent 50,000 Americans. This is the major survey tool used by the government to track US dietary habits, obesity, cholesterol levels, blood pressure, etc.

So her sample of 587 people would represent about 29,350,000 TER members in NHANES!
(http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nhanes/about_nhanes.htm)

Of course, each survey subject has to be picked very carefully in NHANES to be representative of so many people. I dont think the TER subjects were systematically picked, it was just whoever responded, which could introduce a
lot of bias.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
She claims to think that there are 1 million members and only has 587 in her sample size.

And if she had actually used some credible level of a sample size, I really wonder how meaningful any of her assertions might be.

I went through much of her study, and come to the conclusion that she is full of shit!  And her stats seem to support that comment  :D

I honestly would have found it fun to see which johns participated in this study.  But from the results, I could probably name 584 of the 587 participants  LOL

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BigPapasan283 reads

...on TER.  Membership numbers are issued in chronological order, as with provider IDs.  A quick check found a member who joined in August, 2012 is member number 1,800,000.  There may be some who registered more than once and even women who registered as men, but there still are well over one million separate accounts.

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Posted By: BigPapasan
...on TER.  Membership numbers are issued in chronological order, as with provider IDs.  A quick check found a member who joined in August, 2012 is member number 1,800,000.  There may be some who registered more than once and even women who registered as men, but there still are well over one million separate accounts.

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craiglist4257 reads

Now we're talkin' small sample sizes!

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oldchiguy293 reads

Hardly a valid statistical sample, as the study itself points out.  The conclusions are also probably not very surprising to people on these boards.  However, it is a nice counterpoint to so much of the academic literature which exhibits a very negative attitude toward men who frequent prostitutes.

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Posted By: mrfisher
The Former Love Goddess of The Erotic Highway Board, Dr. Christine Milrod, asked me to post this for our edification and betterment of the hobby.

For new members who may not remember her, you can go back and research her posts on The Erotic Highway Board.

Journal of Deviant Behavior?

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SoftlySarah188 reads

Hey- you publish where you can. It's not easy to get sex work research published anywhere if it does not tout the same old "victim of abuse" trope. You can often find lots of fascinating studies in publications like this. ;)

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cuppajoe326 reads

36% have participated in BBFS!

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woodys41311 reads

Thank you, Fisher, for sharing this.  Yes, it's interesting to read this!

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rrasha88395 reads

Wow, what an epiphany. For the past few years, clients would show up for their appointments and we would just stare at each other for an hour with  blank clueless gazes. Now I get it. Apparently older men are sexually attracted to young pretty females and wish to engage in penile vaginal penetration. And by delving even deeper into the study, it seems that they prefer that the young female not emit foul odors or act in a rude manner. Thanks to this scholarly and insightful study my business should really take off.

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rel2010401 reads

36% of the repsondants reported BBFS ......
Keep it covered guys!

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oldted360 reads

Let's see an in depth study about the ladies.

Posted By: mrfisher
The Former Love Goddess of The Erotic Highway Board, Dr. Christine Milrod, asked me to post this for our edification and betterment of the hobby.

For new members who may not remember her, you can go back and research her posts on The Erotic Highway Board.

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saturnsky323 reads

However, gathering the facts in an anonymous fashion, whereby the ladies could be very truthful, might not be want the general hobbyist population might want to read. I could be very wrong, but given some of the reactions to some posts, I don't think I am far off base.

I think it would be a fascinating read though.

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oldted290 reads

It will be painful for us guys to take, but I'd still like to know.

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Dr Who revived338 reads

Posted By: oldted
It will be painful for us guys to take, but I'd still like to know.
And most guys dismiss it as garbage...trust me oldted...most don't really want to know the real truth.

But if they did...the game would change materially...and we wouldn't see any more "I've fallen" posts  LOL

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berkshire6248 reads

OK, I will bite. What do the providers really think of us?

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oldted264 reads

The survey to providers should ask, "Would you fall in love with a hobbyist?" I guarantee you that at least 95% would click, "Hell no, they are a bunch of losers."

Posted By: berkshire6
OK, I will bite. What do the providers really think of us?

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Claudius42310308 reads

except i insist i'm not creepy, i'm just eccentric ;-)
i like my solitude, most of the time anyway (this is no joke)
and as for being an ATM.... utility is in the eye of the beholder.

it's all the OTHER hobby guys that are creepy lonely ATMs, not me! ;-)

present company excepted of course....

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oldted294 reads

The other 5% are the ones that see us

Posted By: Claudius42310
except i insist i'm not creepy, i'm just eccentric ;-)
i like my solitude, most of the time anyway (this is no joke)
and as for being an ATM.... utility is in the eye of the beholder.

it's all the OTHER hobby guys that are creepy lonely ATMs, not me! ;-)

present company excepted of course....

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London Rayne324 reads

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crazyshit383 reads

Which is nothing in NYC among the finance crowd.  I mean, in other parts of the country that's pretty good, but in NYC, that's certainly not that much.  

The survey gives some interesting results, but that one stat makes all the difference in the world to me when reading the outcomes she came out with.

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London Rayne370 reads

I am going to find some good shit for you. :)

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crazyshit263 reads

Just saying that in NYC, $300k/year ain't really much to speak of in Manhattan and in finance.  Do the math, the average one-bedroom apartment here is probably between $2500 and $3000, and that's for a non-doorman building.  You want a doorman building and a luxury building with an elevator and modern amenities?  That one-bedroom just shot up to about $3500 to $3800/month.  And don't forget that the size of these places is about 600 sq. ft.

Do the reverse math and figure out how much money you need to make in order to afford that.  In NYC, you generally need to make an annual income that is 40x to 50x the monthly rent.  So if your rent is $3000/month, just to APPLY to get into the apartment, your annual income needs to between $120k to $150k.  And if you know anything about NYC, you know that we get banged with federal, state and CITY income tax.  So you can kiss away about half of your money in taxes every paycheck.  So let's do the math.  $120k/year is $10k/month before taxes.  That's gonna be more like $5k/month after taxes.  And if you spend $3k/month on rent, that's 60% of your after-tax take-home money on rent.  Shitty place to be.

NYC is one of those places where you can spend $50 to $100/day without even thinking about it.  Breakfast might cost you $5 if you're cheap.  Lunch?  $10 easily.  Dinner?  Another $15 minimum.  So that's $30 without even talking about a coffee run, cabfare, etc.

So I'm just saying...if any of the responders were from NYC, then you're not talking a certain demographic here.  If it's in another part of the country, $300k/year is a lot.

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London Rayne305 reads

applies though. :) I don't know how you figure 300k a year is not enough to afford 5k a month on rent. I have paid 5k for a mortgage uptown and my annual income was not even 100k. I lived very well because I had very few other expenses in addition to that, such as a car note I could not afford. I agree that Manhattan is super expensive to live the way you want, but saying one needs 300k a year to afford 5k a month in rent, does not add up. That's only 60k a year from a rent perspective, and you have 40k left. I am not taking taxes out of that equation though lol.

If one "cleared" 100k a year, they could easily afford to spend 5k on rent. Why anyone would pay that much for something the size of a closet, is beyond me, but I am a bit spoiled in the south. For 5k here, you're getting a 3 story home in the best location. For less than that (surprisingly), you can get waterfront with a boat slip.

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crazyshit248 reads

Since you are way off.  :)

Just saying that $300k/year as the high end of the range would not be very representative of the sample of hobbyists here, that's all.

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London Rayne262 reads

above lol. I am fkin with ya, but you do mention it a lot. Yes, I agree 300k in Manhattan is not the top of the food chain.

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crazyshit320 reads

The rates here are higher than anywhere else in the country, and so you can't index it to anything else.

When providers start talking about rates and what they can charge, it makes a very difference.  A provider who charges $500/hour here can't get $500/hour in New Orleans, I'm guessing.

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London Rayne323 reads

is at a 2 hr. min. and in the 8-1200 bracket. I charge 600 in New Orleans, but no...I am not at all high volume at that rate. Most posting 300 are actually doing it for 2. Other than Taylore Moore and VIP Jessa, not many girls here are getting more than 300 in a regular basis. When I visit Manhattan my rate is 800 to make up for the hotel costs.

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crazyshit331 reads

This isn't your market, but I know you will say that I don't know shit because I'm not a provider.  :)

But if you hobby as much as I have, then you know the market.  And if you ask a few of the guys who hobby here, they can tell you I know the market probably as good as anyone, if not better.

The providers you know personally...that's great.  How many NYC providers do you know?  I know probably 50 or so, easily.  $500 ain't low at all, especially in this economy.  Many are discounting off the $500 rate, but it's done UTR.

If you can charge $800/hour here and get it, more power to you.  I know many simiarly-rated visiting escorts who can charge $600/hour in their markets who have not gotten it here as of late.  I won't name names, because I'm not in the business of fucking up providers' livelihoods.  But suffice it to say, $500/hour is the norm now.

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London Rayne318 reads

Out of the over 300 escorts advertising on Eros NYC, the average rate is 800. Just because you find some utr and BP girls offering that shit for less, does not mean a damn thing. That is simply what you and the guys you talk to, go looking for.

Most of the women in that area as well as LA, are way over 500. I am not talking about the typical, high volume, touring provider either, but the women who have been in business for years who have gone up, and have another job. If they are having to give discounts in NYC from 500, they are not at the top of the food chain. Please, go to eros and do the average lol.  I did not say I get 800 an hour either..it is for 2 hours, and I usually throw in dinner OTC.

I have been to Manhattan at least 4 times a year since 2008, been to M&Gs, and know most of the TOP NYC entertainers...none of them are charging 500 there. They tour other cities and have to drop that rate, but they don't do that often except for their regulars. Most of them are also in Apartments that cost 15-25k a month too, so I would venture to say they know what they are doing.

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crazyshit272 reads

Did you vet out the ones that are posting twice?  Or the agencies?  Geez, you really are off your rocker on this one.

Eros is full of dogshit, as well as great girls.  It's a high-end goddamn version of Backpage.  You are no more likely to find a real girl there than you are on Backpage.

Show me where you did your math, because NO FUCKING WAY did you sit down and put together a spreadsheet.

But I will, just to prove you wrong and blast a load on your face on this one.

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crazyshit252 reads

Related Link: Eros NYC escorts

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London Rayne266 reads

Go take your so called financial genius brain, and add those totals up. Come back and tell me what you found. Then go back to the UTR, BP girls you seek out in the biggest city ever, and keep thinking 500 is the norm..it is not. Women in fkin  Miami and Alabama are making that shit.

Eros is the most used place to advertise other than TER...fact. There is a damn 6 month waiting list to be in the top listings and the ads for VIPs are like 300 bucks! If you don't like just eros ok..add TER and BestGFE in the mix.

You're retarded to think 500 is the upper end of what escorts in NYC make...retarded! That is only 200 more than the national average of 300, and a dog could get that rate if you look around. I am done arguing with a fkin hobbyist who has no clue of what OUR business is.

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crazyshit298 reads

And market price?  You can ask for $800/hour, but if you don't get it, then you don't have a market rate of $800/hour.

$500/hour is the norm.  These girls on Eros aren't getting booked.  How many of them are even reviewed on TER?

Trust me...you are totally off your rocker when it comes to NYC.  But you are the authority on all things hooker in all markets, so why the fuck should I bother arguing with you?

You think most apartment buildings in Manhattan are doormen and keycard-access...bwahahahahaha.

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London Rayne267 reads

So you know these girls are not getting booked eh? Right. You are seriously reaching dude. I just took a look at the Top 100 for NYC too...hmm, rather interesting on the rate part. I also took a look at the reviewed providers on Eros whom I know personally, and 800 was the LOWEST. Like I said, just because you can spend countless hours bargain shopping for ass, does not mean the rate you pay is the norm in an area. I have been to that so called market more times than I can count, and have never had to drop below the rate I posted.

Now, if I can make that, please tell me again how many professional models and porn stars flock to and live in Manhattan? Exactly lol. You've never even been with a pro model or porn star judging by your reviews, yet your own city has the most of BOTH! Those women are where the high rates are coming in at, and yes...they are getting them!

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crazyshit281 reads

You really place any credence on the Wall of Focker?

I'm not talking about YOUR rate!

I'm talking about the market here.  And I'm not a bargain basement hunter.  I don't always go for the uber-high-end/only-caters-to-guys-who-make-eight-figures girls, either.  And if that's your benchmark, then that isn't fucking NYC as a norm!  You gotta be crazy if you think it is.

You know your girls.  Great.  I ain't talking about that.  I'm talking about the vast majority of women who work in NYC as escorts. $500/hour is the norm.

And just because a provider asks for $800 doesn't mean she gets it.  I ain't gonna argue with what you get, but make another trip out here if you can make $800/hour, because there is certainly demand for you, right?  I mean, put your money where your considerable mouth is on this one.  You know the market here is shit, or otherwise you would be here cleaning the fuck up.

The Top 100 is bullshit.  It's a bunch of girls who are obsessed with the numbers ratings, and who have a bunch of WKs sticking up for them.  I've seen many girls in the Top lists of other cities, and most of them are fairly disappointing.

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crazyshit269 reads

Offer good til end of September only.

Now you should REALLY clean up.

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London Rayne229 reads

Ok, so according to you the numbers and the top 100 don't mean shit eh? Well, then that means your "guesswork" means even less. I mean cmon market guy, how do you measure your findings if not by numerical evidence that I have presented, even though a few flaws exist? At least I am going by something written, and not by a hunch lol. And yes, you do bargain shop...your reviews prove you have NEVER been with a woman who was a professional model or a porn star. You've been with escorts in NYC...whoopie. Yes, I suppose for them the rate would be 500 because they have to compete with models and porn stars getting 2k.

The fact that you so easily discredit women who you can't afford, is even more insulting. You don't know wtf they are getting or how accurate their reviews are. SO, Mr. Fisher and Macdaddy are lying about the rates they paid these girls? That's bascially what you're saying, when you call the rates bs.

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crazyshit289 reads

My guesswork?  I hobby here and have had 15 reviews of girls in NYC since February under my alias alone.  I'd say I know the market pretty, pretty, pretty well...  :)

Top 100 is a stupid benchmark.  That's the "top" end, not the low end, not the midrange.  You are insane if you think that is a benchmark.  That's not even close to a representative sample.  $500 is the going rate.  Trust me.  That's tallying the low, midrange, and high end.

A professional model?  Emanuela is a fashion and runway model.  She was on a top TV show in its first season (won't say what, as that would out her).  Not a so-called, self-proclaimed model, but one I can show you.  She is a REAL model, haha!

Porn stars?  Who cares?  Is that representative of the whole market?  That's the uber high end.

Afford?  What do you know about what I can afford?  You're insane.

I don't know anything about Mr. Fisher's and Macdaddy's reviews.  I don't PM with them, so I have no comment.

As far as Christmas...rates are higher then for hotels, so I would be willing if we capped it at a certai amount.  Not paying for your hooker ass to be in the Peninsula.

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crazyshit297 reads

Using your logic, she's getting $10k, because she ADVERTISED for it.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!

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London Rayne290 reads

You're clueless. I looked at girls who have REVIEWS on TER, and are in the Top 100 for NYC...more than half are over the 500 mark. For Pete's sake, even your damn agencies out there are asking 8-1000 and getting it, proven by reviews. You're just a bargain basement shopper, but that does not make you accurate. Far from it. I have done the math...your turn. If it makes you feel better, only tally up the results for girls on eros who are reviewed here and on bestgfe...results are still about the same. 500 is the low end of the market there...period. If many girls in the south can make that here, that should tell you something.

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crazyshit271 reads

And if your benchmark is the Wall of Focker, you're in the Top 100 for BSC.

You believe every fucking review?  If you believe that guys are gonna advertise the true rate for what they paid, you should also believe that they were God's gift to women in the sack, too.

Just because a girl advertises for a rate doesn't mean she GETS the rate.  Will you tell your provider friends when you gave a discount?  You're a smart businesswoman, or play that part well.  Why in fuck's name would you ever do that?

Yeah, reviews are totally accurate and believable.  Now you're just plain BSC...

How many girls do you talk to in the South in all parts of the market?  Or are you talking about the high end?  Because I'm talking about the going rate in NYC, which means that you take the top, the middle, and the bottom.

Oh, and bwahahahahahaha....

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London Rayne271 reads

You just made yourself and your career, both completely useless. I don't assume every advertised rate is golden and no, I don't assume EVERY review is either. BUT, it is more evidence than your, "Oh, I think this" is illustrating. I love a numbers guy, who dismisses the numbers..bwahahhaa. Fkin brilliant. Again, go do the fkin math or stfu, because so far you've only given a minute sample of your low end. BP market for NYC.

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crazyshit266 reads

When was the last time you were here?

You can try to insult me all you want...doesn't mean shit, because I make my living just fine regardless of what you think about my analytical skills.  :)

Reviews are largely spin.  Guys write reviews for different reasons, and I know for a fact that many of the reviews that are written have bullshit rates from the guys I correspond with.  If you gave a discount, would you want that shit in a review?

I didn't dismiss the numbers.  I'm arguing the validity of ADVERTISING a number and then GETTING it.

Read my reviews, if you know how to search for them.  Tell me that the girls I'm seeing are low end.  I'm sure they would love to hear that.  :)

LR, I love you, but you don't know how to say you're wrong.  I can say I'm wrong with the Eros advertising post count and totally getting your post wrong.  I can say that you know your market and you know what you can charge.  I can say that you know the girls who have toured through here.

I don't think you can speak with any degree of knowledge about the market here.  Why don't you PM DDDBabe?  Or maybe at $300/hour or whatever she is charging as a promo rate, she is "low end"?  I'm sure she'd love to hear that.

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London Rayne307 reads

on the high end up there. She has never boasted about being such. She is also a touring provider who works her ass off and does not live in Manhattan...point made. She does not need to make Manhattan rates because her rent is not in Manhattan. She does not need me to tell her she is not a porn star or a pro model either...she knows that lol. What was your point again? Lina also does more overnights and travels than any other provider I know of...that too is not the "norm." GIve it up sparky..you're done. Until you can produce NUMBERS to back up your bs, you're just talking out of your ass. For a numbers guy, that is pretty insulting too. You just said below, "You live, pay, and play" in NYC, so that makes you an expert? Bwhahahaha...ok. You live, pay, and play where YOU can "afford" to do so, but thanks for speaking for what all other men can pay and what the women charge.

You basically said the Top 100 girls are bs, their reviews are fake, they are not getting those rates...bravo. Sure they appreciate it, and you have nothing as usual to back up your shit with.

2. You said Porn Stars are not the norm...no freakin shit, but how many tour and live in your city? Um yea, making the 'AVERAGE' rate go up because of them, and the pro models.

3. You totally tossed all the Eros ads with (TER reviewed women) who pay three times as much for a stupid ad, and where the average AGENCY girl is billed out for 1000...where is the proof they don't make this money or their reviews are fake?

4. I gave you examples of cities that don't have nearly the influx of high end talent as NYC does, and the women there are able to command 350-400, yet you claim 500 is the norm in NYC...does not add up. It might be YOUR norm, or the norm for what is in our face and advertised in certain places, but far from what most are making. The reviews prove it..sorry honey. You might get a few WKs to lie and been given a dicount, but you're not going to have an entire 10 page profile saying they paid x if it were not true. I think you're projecting that little atf that fks you for hours on end for 250, onto all the rest of the hookers. It is not the case. You are just special to that one remember?

Again, you're the expert of all things hooker and hobby related because you've paid for ass half of your life. You are now the expert on what hookers in NYC make, because again you have cameras in their incalls to see what they are doing, and a lock on their bank account to see what they are making. Too bad the numbers don't prove anything in your favor..just the opposite.

You look so foolish making any of those statements. You should have stopped at, "The average rate ( I crazyshit have paid) is 500." Now, you just look like the typical jealous hobbyist who thinks what he pays is what everyone else does, and that no hooker can make more than you paid either.

Weak.

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crazyshit256 reads

Of NYC as a whole.

If you think the providers that can see one guy a week and make a killing is the sample size, you are insane.  Because at that range, you can have a shitload of outliers.  One girl charges $5000, another $1000, and another $800.  And some of them actually get it.

But if you're talking NYC as a whole, you are so fucking far off it's not even funny.

I guess Lina doesn't factor into your sample size, eh?

Actually, Lina does have a place in Manhattan, but you wouldn't know that, would you?  Again, speaking out of your ass, John Kerry...

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London Rayne258 reads

Hey fktard math genius...average is when you ADD up every rate, then DIVIDE by the number of people in the sample. When you do that, the average rate is still over 500 for NYC. I said you have to take into account that NYC has MORE HIGH END MODELS AND PORN STARS THAN THE AVERAGE CITY, thus making the rates there HIGHER. OMG...what a fkin concept. You claim to work the markets, yet can't even see the damn obvious numbers here? Awesome. Just blowing that bs career of yours all to shit now. What do you really do..work at Dominos?

You said it is the "norm." No, it is not. You can't even provide actual figures for your damn argument can you? Because you're talking out of your backpage, utr provider experience! If NYC for example gets 100 top porn stars and 200 actual professional models who escort there per year charging on the ups of 2k, and New Orleans only gets say 10 of them, um which city is going to have the higher rate on average? NYC we agree? Great. Now go back to your ass and add up those numbers of women in NYC as a whole from the 300-20k, and tell me the average again. You're so full of shit it is not even funny! 500 is not the norm lol. It might be the norm for the "normal escort" but not as a whole. Do you ever leave your one bedroom apt. and see who lives in your city that is working as an escort?

You are speaking for yourself, what you have paid, and what you can afford...NOT FOR ALL OF NYC! Take your own bs advice about speaking for others, pull some facts and actual numbers up, or take a fkin hike! I have given you at least some raw data from Eros, TER ads, TER Top 100, and Bestgfe..you have given NOTHING! NOTHING! I have actual numbers from actual women living, working, and who are reviewed in NYC...you have NOTHING ha hah ha ha ha.

Check mate.

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crazyshit319 reads

The difference between an advertised price and a transaction price.  But even if you did, you would ignore it, since you can never admit you're wrong.

You keep talking about ADVERTISED prices and the high end.  Of course that's a different number.  Let me say that again:  There is a big difference between ADVERTISED prices and TRANSACTION prices.  Also, there is a big difference your so-called Top 100 and the rest of the population of escorts in NYC.

You pull numbers out of your ass like they are even statistically relevant.

But you know what?  Come out here and see who will pay your $800 rate.  Like I said, I'll pay for your hooker ass for one night in a hotel, and you should clean fucking house.  Won't do it?  I see.  The numbers don't add up.

You give new meaning to the word hooktard.

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CamelToeJammed223 reads

Only losers who haggle, negotiate, jew down, waste time would make such a claim.  So you think a provider advertises at 800 hoping she can collect at least 4 or 500?  Is that the logic within your statement?

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