there are women who get into this business because they see $$$ much bigger than the reality. Some of them stay in because they feel they have no other option and are miserable the entire time. Some of them are even such actors their clients never know how much they hate what they are doing. The saddest part of this business are those who want to get out but feel they can't.
I know I am going to anger some members, but I get so frustrated reading some of the reviews lately. How can you give a lower rating because the provider wants extra money for a service? It is all about money! Let's not kid ourselves, these girls are not here to find love. It is a business. When some fat sweaty guy wants to slam his dick down the throat, or he wants to ram his sausage fingers up the cunt, and she merely asks for an extra 50, is that so bad? Why is everyone so cheap? Bring a grand or more and have fun! You don't like a clock watcher, why should the girl appreciate a penny pincher? Give the review based on her looks and performance. Leave your biases and your own problems like your lack of financial abilities out of the reviews.
Can we use that fake spray crap? The real butter costs extra.
Can you use that fake spray crap to lube up when you slide your dick up her ass like you can with butter?
or big skank, whichever the case may be. lmao
DON'T have your attitude.
it's really simple. for a lady to be successful as an escort she gets compensated for her TIME. that is all i will ever compensate for.
now if fortune should favor my getting "lucky" in an encounter that's very very nice indeed. but if at any point someone talks about some sex act being linked to a price..... i'm walking. it would be prostitution and that is illegal, don't you know?
anyway haggling over business details during an encounter is quite tacky and beneath my refined and delicate sensibilities.
i also avoid trailer parks. 
Unless a guys receives certain services, a lady can't receive certain high marks. So if she wants extra money for BBBJ, DFK, DATY, greek and he doesn't pay extra, her marks will be lower. That's the review rules dude.
Fortunately most ladies have a better attitude than you and the type of upsell you mention for a BJ or digits is not common on TER. But feel free to pay by the act.
1. Any rating of 9 or above indicates that the hobbyist "forgot it was a service." It is IMPOSSIBLE to "forget it is a service" if a session involves bartering for money. PhD in DUH.
It's not about the money, it is about the nature of the session. If the session is interrupted: "Sorry, can't do that without an extra $X" and the guy has to go fish out his wallet, it can no longer be rated any higher than an 8.
2. It is about honesty, not money. If the woman has a certain rate, and she advertises just that rate; it is reasonably assumed to be all-inclusive unless specifically stated otherwise in her advertising or on her site.
If the woman wants $1,000, then the rate on her site shouldn't be $300. Having a guy walk in with an envelope for $300 and then charging an extra $10 per kiss, an extra $100 for a bj or an extra $50 for a massage is DISHONEST.
Dishonesty in business ought not be rewarded.
3. Your logic is flawed. Extracting just the principle, what you are saying is this: "No matter what a provider's ads or website says, if she charges extra money for a service during the session, she should be rated strictly on how well she performs that extra service. Therefore bring loads of money and have a good time."
Your principle is just as applicable and valid/invalid if she charges an extra $10,000 as if she charges an extra $5.
Following your logic, if the woman interrupts the session and says: "I just gave you a BBBJ with CIM, and I charge $10,000 for that" the guy should just pay up. Bunk.
Or are you simply too cheap and/or poor to bring $100k to each session, just in case a lady wants $1,000 per kiss?
Got it?
If my logic is flawed, so is yours. Life is an upsell. The fully loaded car is far more fun than the base model. There is nothing wrong with the provider asking for more. Should she do it in mid session, no. However, the guy that writes the review and says he only gave the girl a 6 because he had 240 instead of 300 and couldn't have an hour, is crap. You don't walk into Bloomingdales and expect to pay what you want to pay. My complaint is directed at those reviews. It is the same as the hobbysists who always talk of the "fresh" pussy and expect a girl to enjoy CIM and seem upset if she spits. Let me pour Clorox down your throat and see if you enjoy it. How many guys are out there swallowing pineapple juice for days to insure their cum is sweet?
I am complaining about these reviews that are based on ones own biases, and not based on the girl's appearance or performance.
To be honest, for some of these guys, the girl should interrupt the session and demand 10K.
You need to find another line of work.
If you don't like what you do, and you don't like the reviews you get, get out of the fucking business of fucking.
First we have providers coming on here and complaining about "bargain hunters", now we have another washed up ho trying to justify upselling. Take your fat ass back to Craigslist, or the street or wherever the fuck you came from.
When I walk into Bloomingdales, I expect the price when I get to the cash register to be what is on the tag. I do NOT expect the clerk to demand extra money for the zippers and buttons. The price is the price.
"Life" is not an upsell.
When I go buy a fully loaded car -- I know the price of that fully loaded car up-front before I ever sign any papers.
Now -- what I DO agree is that rip-off artists exist: people who will try to charge you more than something is really worth.
And that is what reviews are for -- for any item or business. To identify situations in which you are getting value for value rather than ripped off.
I can't relate to your specific complaints. I don't generally allow CIM with providers and a whole bunch of things. Providers have to operate with a limited menu with me.
But if a provider allows her profile to reflect certain services and a certain price; assuming the hobbyist is clean, hobbyists certainly have grounds for complaint if the advertised services are not rendered at the advertised price.
Let me tell you -- in my business, I give a hard and fast quote. If I screw up and wind up working more than I anticipated, I don't go back and raise my price. Rather, I abide by my quote. And guess what? Even in a down economy my businesses have not suffered because I deal honestly with my customers, and give value for value.
That model also works well with providing. There are a TON of providers out there with a stack of 9s and 10s for performance that don't do anal, don't swallow a guy's semen, etc. What they do, instead, is deliver -- for everything they do -- superior and honest service.
For your benefit I suggest reading John's post again. You are going down a path that is going to make your customers dwindle and yourself miserable.
You can decide whatever list of things you do and don't find acceptable. No one will tell you you have to do CIM, greek, etc.
You can set any price you think is fair and fits your business model. A lot of women have similar lists of activities but charge significantly different prices. Activities are one part of the package along with attitude, looks, location, etc.
BUT.....
What John and others are trying to tell you is BE HONEST AND UP FRONT with your choices and your prices, whatever they are. There are a lot of women who stay in business with CBJ or no FS at all. Know what you are comfortable with, know what price your market can support, and act/charge accordingly.
As to the "honesty of reviews" they are and always will be very subjective. Other than a complete rip-off it's hard to really define the difference between a 5 and a 7 or a 7 and a 9. One guy's "stunningly beautiful" is another guy's "too skinny" or "too fat".
I lost all faith in numbers long ago. I read the words and look for patterns. My ATF is a 10 in my eyes and that's the only set of eyes I care about.
Where I will agree with you is too many guys let the performance affect not only the performance score but the looks score as well. But since I know this happens over and over, see the paragraph above. However performace DOES include more than how far the tongue sticks out, strokes per minute, and number of seconds of eye contact. It also includes attitude, ambiance, and all the other mental parts of the business.
"I am complaining about these reviews that are based on ones own biases, and not based on the girl's appearance or performance."
Appearance and performance can only be judged by the reviewer's bias! Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, yeah? So is performance. I get what you're saying. YOU think you're a perfect 10 who rocks his world. He was bored. Yet you want him to rate you based on YOUR bias of your session. That be stoopid, and utterly hypocritical.
A review is the OPINION of the reviewer. By sheer definition a review is a description of the reviewer's bias. No way around that.
-tessen
Whether you like it or not the reviews exist in order to help guys make wise PURCHASING decisions.
You yourself said that money is part of the equation so why would you not expect a guy to mention in his review that a lady asked for additional donation for specific services?
You can't have it both ways.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and just right out say you suck my ass.
Don't know WTF you're smokin', or why you're not sharin', but seriously?
WTF are you talking about?
I don't know. Your fucking sense, or lack thereof, and not to mention your tone bewilders my fucked-up ass.
I'm assuming you're a provider? And I'm also assuming the experiences you've had lately have been less than desirable?
That sucks. Glad to say I can't say the same.
I base my reviews on my experiences, and I take great care to make sure my experiences are what they should be.
I don't 'book' a lady for the hell of it. It's my money, but our time.
I'm not a cheap motherfucker, but I'm also not overly stupid.
Sorry, sis. You barked up the wrong fucking tree here.
Usually, and I know many of the ladies here can tell you the same, I don't like to berate a lady. Especially in public.
But this is stupid.
As long as you VERY clearly spell out EXACTLY what costs extra $$, and what doesn't, then do as you will. Guys get the opportunity to know what to expect going in, and they can then choose to see you or not. Everyone wins.
But I'm guesing that isn't the case. I'm guessing you fail to mention that FIV is extra, and a BBBJ is extra too. I'm guessing that the men you see walk in expecting GFE (cause its in your ad), only to discover that all they get to do is look at you and everything else is extra.
That's called false advertising, upselling, etc. You can damned well expect to get slam dunked in your reviews if this is how you choose to do business. You make your choice to run your business as savvy or as poorly as you want. That is your perogative. Just don't whine when the guys leave pissed off and feeling ripped off, and in turn warn other hobbyists to run, not walk, away from you. That is THEIR perogative.
Agree 100 percent.
Two or more points from your performance score, you will suddenly not look so attractive either.
The session will probably be shortened and also noted in my review.
I don't care if I have a thousand dollars in cash on me you will not get that extra fifty.
Go right ahead Madison. One or two reviews like that and you will find business taking a turn for the worse.
Escorts sell time and their companionship... pr*st*t*t*s sell sex acts. See men who are buying your time ... See men who like to do things you like *or don't mind* doing. Charge what you value your time to be worth. Be extra nice to the men that help you feel worthwhile and happy so they come back again and again so your 'work' is more fun and maybe easier for you.
You are a lucky girl indeed if all your clients can whip out $1K. *quote you: "bring a grand or more and have fun"*
Even if they can well afford the price of service, no one likes to feel deceived *upselling is NOT OK*, and no one likes to feel unappreciated.
For a man to see a higher priced lady... He is usually seeking her personality... the person.. not her parts.
If this post is legit... ....
NO.. I just don't believe it. Can't be.
there are women who get into this business because they see $$$ much bigger than the reality. Some of them stay in because they feel they have no other option and are miserable the entire time. Some of them are even such actors their clients never know how much they hate what they are doing. The saddest part of this business are those who want to get out but feel they can't.
The post sounds bogus to me. Any justification of "upselling" just can't be real.
... so why is it OK for you to negotiate DURING the session if it's not OK for us hobbyists to negotiate BEFORE the session.
Many ladies are uncomfortable detailing services provided over the phone or prior to the session beginning. Soooo a guy gets nekid then finds out that there are rules & restrictions & limitations & taboos UNLESS more $ is paid. As other posters pointed out, that is up-selling & is unethical, disappointing, & a mood-wrecker. The hobbyist has to decide whether to pay good money after bad.
If I wanted a $1000 hr escort then I would call a $1000 hr escort, not someone whose ad say $$$ hr.
reviewers to NOT mention that during the session, he trys to DFK, and you say hold on, roll over, ring it up on your cash register, and say $50 please.OOOOPS hold on...cha ching....$50 for that finger!...and on and on.!
This sounds like a rant from some cheap CL hooker that provides by the ala carte method!
Honey, there are just to damn many women out there that include it all, at one price. Many will add for greek, but it's spelled out on their website. I doubt you even have a website.
To get a 9, you gotta let the time flow, without interuption for upsell, like it was a BF/GF romp in the sheets.
With your stinking attitude, and your upsell mentality, you need to go back to the street corner you stepped off of. Maybe have a sandwich sign made for your ala carte menu, and the guys that drive by can decide what item they want to purchase!
Escorts sell time....the sex is free! Hookers sell sex acts. You want both! There are just too many good ladies out there to waste time, or a good review on your type! Be glad you get a review at all, most guys would be embarrassed to admit they saw someone like you, and skip the review!
Drop me a line, and we'll make a date. I will happily start out with a $1000 rate, for an hour of your time. Then, for every service that you don't provide, I'll deduct a little cash. Bring your fucking checkbook. I'm pretty sure you'll be owing me some money at the end of the session.
Hungry,
Insist on cash. The check would bounce.
WTF kids (some of you at least). Thank goodness for Jon & Sins. May they live long and get lots of action.
Yup, some reviews & clients are F'ed up as are some provides and/or their ads.
It's my review and I can rate any damned way I choose, and providers are free to not see me if they don't like my reviews.
As I am paying for time, I do get to take into consideration things that impinge upon my time such as upselling (I DO NOT impinge upon hers). I get to consider how representative her photos are (or not). Since provides can update their profiles I can consider services not offered, but implied by her profile. I DO NOT get to ding a provider for a service offered that I do not take advantage of (I rarely take advantage of CFS).
That said, there are some real issues with the system as it stands.
We have one performance (and appearance) rating for everything. What if she is the best at X, but sucks at Y? How does my one rating vary if I personally care more about X or Y?
This doesn't even begin to address the subjective nature of ratings, personal experience (virgin vs someone who lived in a Thai brothel) or personal preference.
Maybe we should rate on how GFE we thought you were (It's a JOKE). Hannibal Lechter might have a different take on things than a prototypical nerdy CPA.
The hard thing here which is never discussed is this. For the clients, this is recreational, and for the service provider it's a livelihood (for some). There is a tension created there which CANNOT ever be resolved.
Provides know that many VIPs exclude anyone with ratings below a certain level in their searches. It's no secret. It's on the search page for a reason. Therefore, ratings = $$$. QED.
IMO the best provides are probably those that do this on "the side".
Folks need to realise there are irreconcilable issues on both sides of the bed and act accordingly - and as adults.
This is not all there is but I'm on my damned phone at an eye appointment. I'll let the rest of you pile on the rest.
If all I want to do is masturbate in front of you, is it OK if I don't pay the FS fee, the BBBJ fee, the DATY fee, the DFK fee, etc.? I could have some cheap fun that way.
I've been reading this board for going on 3 years, and this is the first, time I can remember, where someone has justified "upselling." Are you truly serious?
Reading through the posts, it's the first time that I recall guys on both sides of the white/dark knight issue being on the same side. Apparently it's true that they just need a common enemy.
like a normal human being, It looks like St Matt is going to lose his standing in the magina pecking order. This post was enough for even him to show a bit of outrage. Unfortunately John and Al still think you can "reason" with anybody, even an obvious troll.
You can't reason with a troll, the only thing to do is play "Whack a troll" with the slimy little creatures. lmao
Which is why soldiers carry weapons.
I find there are both trolls and seriously misguided people on here (among others).
If the OP is actually a troll then you are correct and I will not get through to them. But staying reasonably polite also does no harm for a troll doesn't care either way.
If the OP is seriously misguided then overt insults will confirm to them that we are all evil people not worth listening to, and remain seriousl misguided. But stripping off the insults and saying basically the same thing might cause them to become slightly less misguided.
Slim chance, but I view even a long shot as better odds than zero.
of dicussion board evolution that everyone thought was extinct! What a great geological find...a true, living specimen of the genus/species......Troll-Gina!
You AGREE with my points on this thread yet you still feel the need to hurl insults.
I guess I'm glad we are in different evolutionary branches.
“When some fat sweaty guy wants to slam his dick down the throat, or he wants to ram his sausage fingers up the cunt, and she merely asks for an extra 50, is that so bad?”
Well…when you put it that way…it certainly sounds bad….lol….
You state in a response above that “you don’t walk into Bloomingdales and expect to pay what you want”. Of course I don’t. I expect to pay the price that’s on the tag.
I do not expect to select a $100 item, and then have the person at the check-out counter inform me that the item of clothing I’m buying was designed for someone much more attractive than me, therefore……
the total will be $150……
lmao....reminds me of getting stuck trying to make a long distance call from a pay phone on the side of the road, and frantically digging around for more quarters before the connection dropped:
“your 3 minutes are up. Please__insert__three__dollars__and__ fifty__cents__to__continue………”
Quads 13 steps to success
Follow these steps for success "almost" every time.
1. Read the Reviews
2. Read the Reviews again
3. Pick some ladies you like based on the reviews
4. Pick a lady based on the looks you desire, out of your review picks.
5. Contact Her with your references and follow her original contact preference.If you are desperate to see someone quickly, and might become frustrated if she doesn't reply fast enough to suit you, contact a few you would like to see, and leave the date you would like to visit open.
6. Take a shower before you leave to visit her, floss and brush your teeth and tongue twice ,and use deodorant lightly.Note..If you are not a avid flosser don't floss within six hours of your appt.Always only floss the teeth you want to keep.
7.leave the cologne in the bottle..Use the mouthwash
8.When you arrive Inconspiculously drop the donation without comment or gesture.Pointing with your eyes or hands are examples of gestures.
9.If you sweat a lot,your AC is broken in your car, its been more than two hours since your shower, or one dump before you get to her incall,take another shower when you arrive.When in doubt about sweating take a shower just for the fun of it.
10."Act" like a gentleman even if you aren't one.
11.Carry on like you are visiting your GF at her place if you ever had one for more than a week, don't mention money, and follow the review performance basics that you read about her, without talking about them, and without being aggressive or rough. See step 9
12.If you try to put your finger in her ass and she moves it away with her hand,or says no, even if you read she enjoyed that in her reviews , don't ask how much extra.Its not on the menu for you today.Always Remember Step 9
13. If you AR and she really likes it, she might ask you to give it to her Greek, without asking for extra.
I have seen many more Ter providers than I have reviewed and I have NEVER had a provider ask for extra $.
Madison,
I'll play devil's advocate for a moment.
I don't know anything about you or your clientele.
Judging by some of the responses, guys think they DO know.
I've seen some VERY upscale providers. Before I saw them, there was a clear sense of what was to happen during our time together. Perhaps you should be more clear?
I mean, charge more overall...you should always prepare for the worst, but expect the best. That's my 2 cents.
With the ladies I've seen, we agreed to actually have some semblence of a date right before our session, or as part of our session. That breaks the ice. Act FREAKIN normal. Don't act like it's a job or it will feel like a job to everyone involved. If you don't do certain things or insist charging extra for certain things, people should know about that ahead of time...for most guys, that won't throw them off as much as they'll be PREPARED $$$ for your time together...
GEESH! I feel like I'm a NEWBIE and when I read these sorts of things I'm like WTH? I thought such things would be covered...
-Dallas-