I've been away for a while and noticed a decided lack of consistency about rating reviews.  I saw a woman very recently that got 8's on performance in two reviews.  I was in town, quickly scanned the choices and booked an hour with her.  My session with her was dismal, too damn many restrictions.  No bj performed but said it would be covered, no kissing, no daty, no digits - did get a hand job and even it was covered!  I went back and read the reviews again and they pretty much ended up with the same experience that I did but gave 8's!?!?!?!?  I thought there was certain criteria to get an 8 or above?  BBBJ, DFK, Greek - something along those lines to get that high a number?  I've never given anyone that low a rating (gave her a two) but feel obligated to warn future viewers what to expect.  She was good looking, very good looking, but the category is for services!  I've seen reviews that could show up in a daily newspaper with the lack of details and yet still get a 8 or 9.

If other men are saying the opposite of what you are saying, then that is what it sounds like to me. Sorry bud

The profile is set by the very first reviewer. Even though you fill out that part again during all subsequent reviews it doesn't change anything in the profile. Maybe the first person actually recieved those services listed, then again, they may just be full of it too.

While it doesn't explain what appears to be over inflated performance scores, sending in a problem report listing what's wrong in the profile will get the profile corrected so others won't be as likely to fall into a bad experience. Pointing out that other reviewers also mentioned the same things should make it a no brainer for someone to change.  

Plus take the time to read thru some of the reviews just to be sure what your getting into to. Never go by just the numbers.

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I agree, in reading some reviews they give an 8 or higher and the services rendered aren't anywhere near the rating that they're intended for.  I've seen FBSM providers get 8's.   WTF is that all about?  

I have found by and large, if the reviews are consistent then that's what usually happens during a session.  If you read the reviews and just don't go by the numbers and they're consistent, maybe it is a YMMV thing.

are not updated as they should be by us the users ... another major problem is that many of us are so worried about getting flamed by posting the truth, (we just can't hurt a provider's feelings), then again if you do write a poor review it can be challanged and  maybe removed... I never go by the numbers and try to always read as many reviews as possible ... and when I have a question about a provider and her services I ask the provider... we can't rely just on reviews. wish we could ...my .02

You claim:
" I went back and read the reviews again and they pretty much ended up with the same experience that I did but gave 8's!?!?!?!? "

But your entire story indicates that you only looked at the numbers and read the reviews for the first time after the fact.  Well, consider it tuition money.  Read the details before making the appointment.

I participate on another board and if there is any inkling of negativity, the white knights come out of the woodwork or your review deleted.  I thought these boards were to help inform the buying public but at times that's the farthest thing from it.

The bottom line for me is: look for consistency in the reviews.

That the men did not have a good time with her? Just because you did not have a good time with her, doesn't mean that they didn't. Yes, write a review, I do agree. But, to change her whole entire profile, just because of your similiar experience, while other's had a different one, is not right, either. I would be pissed off, if one guy, that was a case of ymmv, decided to completely do an overhaul of my profile, while the rest of gents that I had met had a great time with me.

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I thought the whole idea was for "consistancy" with the reviews. If we allow just anyone doing a review to change the providers profile at time of each review, then the profile will not be very consistant, will it? YMMV always is a consideration, too. Just because you didn't click with her shouldn't allow you unfettered access to change her profile. I don't mind "updates" from time to time, but you need some verification for those as well. Otherwise, let's throw the whole thing out of the window!!

I generally receive better than average mileage.  I don't think it was lack of chemistry and don't know what to chalk it up to.  I definitely got the impression that this was her being in her comfort zone. Its the way she is and will be in the future.  I didn't have the time to do much in depth research before hand but the numbers were certainly acceptable.  Your advice is good.  One guy says he got DFK, other than that, they pretty much mirror my experience.  Both were assigned 8's for service.  She was a nice kid and up front with most of her rules.  Had I known all the rules, I would have politely declined from the start.  I am clean, fit, polite but twice her age.  That hasn't been much of an issue in the past.  I've dealt with women that want to play it safe but a covered hand job is just way past acceptable to me.

Maybe if you did your research by asking her personally, what she did/did not do, maybe your experience would have been different? If she doesn't answer you back (note* most providers won't answer your emails in regards to anything sexual being asked up front, which is a catch 22 for you, understandable. Some will answer, after a time of "courting" between the 2 of u, when she is feeling comfortable)then, maybe take the hint and go look elsewhere. Also back channeling with the other gents beforehand, might have helped your situation. Maybe the other gents who had the same experience pertaining to the activities performed, accepted their lot and enjoyed the moments with her, which you did not. If other men are enjoying it, and you are not, does sound like a ymmv moment to me.

That, uh, staggers the imagination, boggles the mind, etc.

I've seen the numbers game work both ways.  Some guys will give a 6 and describe what sure sounds like an 8 experience to me.  And, as in your case, vice versa.  And hey, I may have been critical but at least I read, and responded to, the statements you actually made.

Good luck in future adventures.

My point is how can you get an 8 for:
No Kissing
No Daty
No Digits (in fact, no touching the pussy at all)
No Greek
CBJ (I got no bj offered whatsoever)
CHJ

I'm not saying to toss out her profile or change it for that matter.  But WTF, does the above fall into the 8 category?  Someone is supposedly scanning the reviews before they are posted.  Apparently, not very closely.  

FWIW, I did advise her that she'd be better off doing body rubs.  A lot less expectations and she could stay in her comfort zone.

If there is a way .... everytime a review is posted a new porfile is done ... I do a review and post MY profile of her ... then when someone clicks on my review of a provider they also get my profile of her ... the next client would post his own review and profile .. and when you click on his review you get his review and profile ... that way if she DFK's with me ... but not with someone else, your getting a more concise report, this would also curb the use of YMMV being used.  As it stands now the same profile is used for all reviews yet each review may differ greatly from the profile .... my .02

FBSM are not held to the same standards as escorts.  By definition they do not do all the extras.

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is a mind boggling experience, in itself. Yes, it would throw out the ymmv theory, I guess. But, then that is not fair to the girl out there, who only offers certain things to certain people. Honestly, I cannot see myself offering 100% to some of the gents for hygiene issues! I am proud to be a ymmv. I don't want to be everything to everyone. I want to hold that certain "mystique" for certain types of men. Also, when one person puts up a profile of a provider, that could also be misleading. Say he did a check mark on her height/weight saying that she was small, the next guy will come along and think that she is bigger and do a profile on her representing herself to be a bigger woman. Cause you have to remember that every man can look at the same lady, but differently. Then her profile will show an inconsistency. She she gives one guy to completion, then the next guy just a bbbj. So, then you will have one profile for a week saying she does tc and then another profile for the following week, that she does to completion.

And your point is ...... If you charge x dollars then shouldn't each hobbiest expect the same service... should the consumer pay for items that he is not going to be offered.  If you do for one but not another shouldn't that person know that he is not going to get the same services .. who's misleading who here.... shouldn't the buyer be made aware ... all things are not perfect or fair ... but it is us in the hobby that pay your way, we are the consmuer. If you don't DFK or DATY that's fine just let us post that so anyone that reads your profile will know where you stand. And if you have a problem with a certain client becasue of his health, appearance, smell, etc. tell him before hand so can then choose if he still wants to be with you ... why do you wnat to be with him in the first place .... MHO.

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So what you are telling me, that by flashing me some bills, that I need to put up with a bad attitude, skanky breath, skid marks in the under-roos, being tossed around like I was a barbie doll, being talked down to? That I should go below on a guy, even though he is uncleaned? I should hope not! Please remember that I am talking about HYGIENE, AND ATTIUDE HERE. Which I consider very important for a woman to feel comfortable with a man! That is why, I reserve the right to cancel an appt. if a man comes to me in that condition.Or, not do certain things, which could actually lead to me getting sick  in the process (My health comes first), which  any one of these conditions that I had listed, can lead to ymmv session (I know that it's not what you want to hear, but it is the truth). Just as I hope that you would do the same, if a woman was to come into your presence with  any of those conditions. As for certain services being offered, yes, I will admit that there are certain clients that I enjoy giving  certain benefits  to than to  other's. But, there has to be chemistry, and if there is not. Then there is not. Again, I know that it is not what you want to hear.


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You have every right to pick and choose what you do and who you do it with and your safety and health are of the utmost importance.  If you refuse service to someone that's fine ... May I suggest that you do it ahead of time or when you first meet so that the client knows what he is or isn't going to get. Sure he may have hurt feelings but that's his problem... if he writes a bad review then come back at him ... Many ladies may not be honest or upfront with a hobbiest and that leads to poor reviews and the use of YMMV.. I would be the first to defend you and your rights... so often though a hobbiest is lead to grey areas that lead to YMMV .......

how is one to know, until he shows up, and starts taking off his clothes, and it hits ya lol Also, he can develop some sick fantasy of being too demanding (which is very scarey to a woman). It is frustrating because you would have to actually meet, get the session going, to find out that there may be an evil twin lurking in him, which could scare the daylights out of any female. There are some cases, and when you are able to detect something is  wrong, when he enters the room, but in most cases, you may not be able to pick up on anything, until it's too late (( Also, offering certain things to others and not to all, has to do with ymmv (for me). Again, it boils down to chemistry. It has to be there, for me to feel comfortable to offer certain things. If it is not there, then it won't happen. But it doesn't mean that I don't try to make the best out of a situation for him, if certain things don't come into play.

If providers posted their profiles, and people don't get what they expect, then they should say so in reviews.  The truth will come out quickly.  That way the profile will represent what the lady wants to do with a generic client.  Every man here knows that people aren't generic and YMMV applies.  

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is for us ladies to have a comments pages on each review, that has been written, so you can see what her thoughts are for each of those clients. Then I think that some truths may come out lol Some truths men may want to see, but some not. Some enough to crack a smile and do a hi-fi, and some enough to cringe, and run to the bathroom to puke (oh my lol). Yes, you are very correct, as we women know: that people are not generic (certainly no inflatable blow up dolls here, prick us with a safety pin, YES
we do bleed), and that ymmv applies.

Be careful of what you wish for her, you might get it.  You can read my reviews and I would welcome comments from the women I have met (publlic or private).  Others do not feel the same way.   TER makes the hobby better for everyone and we need to treat it with great care and respect

As a woman involved in a very intimate and loving activity, you have a perfect right to set boundaries on encounters in a generic sense.  As a human being, you have a perfect right to change your mind about your limits whenever you wish.  

Reviews for you are like condoms for men.  They are not what you want, but they give you something you want more.   Hopefully, you can look at these comments as information from customers to other customers.  These are always unplesant to read by the people providing any service.  They will generate a host of reasons in your head as to why the statements that hurt you are not fair    They may be unfair.  However, reading them, reading between the lines, and thinking about what is being said, will make you better at doing what you choose to do.  It will make you happier and your clients happier in the long run.  

Men are not stupid and they can read between the lines too.  We admire woman who can take a hit and shrug it off - just like we admire it in men.  I am sure you know enough about men to realize we dislike and are not comfortable being around men or women who have thin skins.    

My thoughts...Harry

I have no issues with comments on your impressions of me, defending a comment or even, GOD forbid, a complement.

Perhaps would work here is columns of data, spreadsheet format, summarizing services received.  You'd have 6 reviews and six columns of data summarizing DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Anal, etc.  Pretty much none of the profiles gets updated so what you do on the first date is what lots of guys see.  Many lurkers here aren't paying members and don't post reviews so they are going off the numbers and limited info on the profiles.  Personally, I feel the most current profile is the one that should be posted if we are limited to one.  It gives me the most current assessment of what to expect.  

I realize too that some guys embellish their experience.  Some have hidden agendas and axes to grind.  By all means, do what you feel comfortable with.  I surely know what the term ymmv means.  There is nothing sweeter than being offered more than your expectations going in.  There is nothing worse than wondering why him (or them) and not me.

Don't you think the guys spending MY tax dollars getting off somehow on their crusade against prostitution read this board every day, while getting PAID for it?!

I know women who are worried about the implications just of offering a link to reviews, let alone making a formal declaration of their list of illegal activities so that people can call for take-out!!!!

by both parties, than one may think.  I also feel that women can look at each session in a professional way, and jot down what she liked about it, and what the gentleman can do better, in helping to achieve his goal for future meetings with her again, or with others. Maybe he kisses too hard? Or, is not clean enough below?. Or, maybe he pulls at her clitoris with his teeth, when he can be more gentle about it (just some random thoughts here lol). It is frustrating to me as woman, in not being able to communicate my thoughts on a session, when it's over. I am pretty sure that men would love to know what goes on in our heads. I do agree we need to accept the good along with the bad reviews, shrug it off, and learn to improve our performance.  I also feel that some of the men can  learn to improve on their performances too. Sometimes, you might have to walk away from an experience and ask I know what she needs to work on, but what is it that I need to improve on, so that my next session comes off better for me? Just some thoughts

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It's bad enough pictures are often (too often) not accurate.  Yes, the truth will eventually come out, but after they've made some quick bucks at our expense.  As it is, there are many bait and switch outfits around - and they are successful.  Your proposal seems to allow their operations to flourish 10-fold.

I know there are many great providers around but there are just as many dishonest ones (not to mention dishonest reviews as well).

that the fact there are women who are very un professional, you have the same with men. Mind you, not all men, but they are out there : Men who will rob a lady. Men who will beat a lady up. Men who are very not clean, but expect to get the same service as guy number one did. I have more to list, but I am not out here looking to start a war on men versus women here lol As one man can write about a ripoff, so should a woman be able to do so. As a man can write about a woman not being cleaned below. So should a woman be able to. It goes both ways. I remember one guy that I had to kick out of my room one time, for he started to become abusive, during our session. Yes, I was very scared for my life. When I started threatening to call security, he got the hell out of there lol From that situation, and if he had done a review on me, then I could have told my side of the story, and women could read my commentary, and use that as a warning for not to see him, and the men who read it, could use it as a learning tool of not pulling an "evil" twin on the ladies. Reviews for both parties, could be a situation where both sides win. Just my thoughts

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I agree.  It is not hard to find reviews where the guy rates a 6 but describes a wonderful time.  The big mistake was not reading the details.  If you have more money than time then more power to you - but then again I guess you wouldn't be complaining about your experience (as someone else says, chalk this up to tuition).

This is the first time I've heard of a covered hand job - that slays me.  Guess we can credit you with chj.  Maybe she's been ``stung'' before (no one wants a lazy eye).

Better luck next time - and for God's sake read the reviews.

I understand that it goes both ways.  I think it would be fun to see reviews of both parties.  But for a provider to start her own profile seems to be a bad idea to me.  

Besides, if there is an unfair review by 1 guy but many other fair and accurate reviews by others then most will disregard that review.  

On more than one occassion I've been in the opposite situation.  The provider has great pics and many reviews of solid 8/9's all over the place but one review of 6/6.  So, I see her and totally agree with the 6/6 and wasted my money.

All these issues are a nature of the hobbiests hobby and the providers business.  

I'm not sure that it puts her at more risk then having the guy "fill in the blanks".  Maybe a lawyer will comment on whether it changes the legal situation.  

Harry

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This is an interesting thread which has wandered away from the original post.  It would appear that Cousin Eddie looked at the ratings and maybe the profile without reading the actual reviews.  Had he read the reviews he would have never made the date.

In many cases the profiles do not reflect the current reality.  In a case where the first reviewer claims to have gotten BBBJ and DFK and the next nine reviewers only received CBJ and were told that DFK is not on the menu it would seem appropriate for either the provider or a client to submit an error report to fix the profile.  The first reviewer may have embellished what he recieved or the provider has changed her menu.  The same thing would be true if the first reviewer only recieved cbj and the next 9 received bbbj.  Maybe the lady decided to change her menu.

And that's EXACTLY why she's considering removing the link from her website to TER (thereby disclaiming any knowledge of, or acknowlegement of, what others say about her).

How is it that we can allow ourselves to pass laws that litter our freeways with 21st century Indian "nations" (I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against native Americans, and I'm happy to see them recoup some of what my ancestors stole from them, but I'm NOT happy to see the proliferation of slot machine emporia).

SO, we have no compunction about legalizing an activity with little redeeming social value, but for some bizarre reason we cannot bring ourselves to acknowledge that people love sex, are willing to pay for it with a bit of fantasy thrown in, and would prefer it to be safe and legal!

I applaud your candor!

As I've read this board the past few months, I've learned more about men than I have about women, and what's impressed me most is that I cannot and should not generalize from my own viewpoint to expect that of others. I cannot begin to fathom the oft-proffered position that because we're paying we should expect the same "product" as the last guy who posted a review. Frankly, I'm paying for education and personal growth (and NOT just the growth that comes on during the session and subsides after "le petit mort."

My time with escorts has taught me that if I do my homework well (thank you TER!) I'll meet intriguing ladies who likely will help me to a better understanding of myself while treating me to incredible sensual experiences. I pay for the latter and revel in the former. No WAY do I think I'm entitled to a 6-course meal just because I show up, although certainly I'd be upset/disappointed if I met all the lady's hygeine requirements and THEN the things that everyone crowed about in their reviews weren't offered.

In the ideal world, the lady would be able to tell a guy when the chemistry WASN'T there at all, even if that became apparent only after the clothes came off, but obviously that's risky even if she offers the guy a full refund. The ladies I see typically don't even mention the money - it's just provided at the end of the session or rests visible on the table in its unopened envelope until then. Only once has a lady counted it at the beginning of the session.

To the guys who say "I paid, so I'm entitled", I'd ask this: if YOU were being paid for sessions that were expected to include sexual intimacy and you had NO idea what the next person showing up at the door looked like, smelled like, spoke like, thought like, could YOU (or would you WANT to) score consistently in the "performance" category?

A lady who offers special extras to the guys with whom she connects emotionally/chemically/lustfully or whatever might well be advised to ask them NOT to include those "treats" in the review. Occasionally we read reviews that hint of that, which I usually dismiss as gloating on the guy's part. If the connection is special, it's probably better if it remains confidential. But then, ymmv...

I read the reviews as closely as anyone but there are times when you simply don't have the time.  Someone looking over your shoulder, pressed for time or trying to deal with hotel Internet service on the TV, Yuck!  Its almost painful trying to navigate using that system.  AND you take what you can get when booking for the same evening.  Many women just aren't very good at responding to phone calls or email.  I tried two different women and did get to talk to both, which is pretty amazing from my experiences.  You almost had better have a list of 10 ready just in case.  I like the suggestion of having colums of data reflected on the profile, lets see the average and what I really should expect.

Thank you, Bimmerguy!

I enjoyed your openess, candor, and understanding Btw, you are so correct! I don't allow my special favors to my clients, to be recorded into my reviews/profile page. I offer special benefits, for those, who I feel a certain chemistry with. If the chemistry is not there, then it's not going to happen. Also, I am thankful to those special clients, for being understanding, and not writing publicly about it

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So should they have their own number rating scale?  

Obviously it's probably not practical but it is fishy when an FBSM session merits an 8 and all that's supposed to represent.