I discount heavily for multi hour dates.  400/600/750/900 for 1/2/3/4h dates.

In addition, recently started offering clock free dinner dates to encourage longer bookings.

Why? When I started in biz I thought about what kind of date will allow me to be the best companion for my dates.  The answer was simple - the kind I would enjoy most.  Human beings are not that good of actors .. they tend to do their work best when they are happy and perform tasks they like.

As result customer satisfaction will always be greater in direct correlation to how relaxed and comfortable service provider is.

So I structured my rates in way that would attract patrons seeking experience rather than "bust a nut" and have not regretted it since.

Lina

on the bare facts you gave us.

    While it is certainly possible that the second lady enjoys her time with clients more, I think the more likely explanation is the second lady simply has a greater degree of business savvy and recognizes that the first rule of service industries is to maximize the return from each client.

    The lady who charges the same for the second hour simply has not figured out that her pricing is a factor in liming her profit margin per client.

    And at the risk of being derailed myself in your trainwreck, I suspect that "enjoyment of time with the client" is very rarely a reason for second hour discounting.

But one never knows ....

I can be persuaded to take on yours !

Lina

The only correction to your thinking is that you think TOO FUCKING MUCH!

It's because some women are good at business and some suck. What about the ones who charge 300/700/1000? Yes...they're out there.
It's a simple pricing schedule. Don't read any more into it than ALL the other shit you guys try to read into EVERYTHING.

They put their shit out there and charge what they want...smart or not. Somewhere there's still someone who will see them.
Guys. See who you want to see for whatever reason you want to see them.

It's as simple as that.

Stop trying to figure out why they do what they do...if they like it...what their SO thinks about it...how they act if they see a client in public...what their childhood was like...how much they make...what they do with what they make...or what they're reeeeeally like.

More people need to suck dick more...or get their dick sucked more.....and STFU.

Just sayin'

What I can not fathom is that some gals charge a discount for the second hour, but then charge more for the third hour.

I guess they get a bit fagged out after two hours.

One. Appts of 2 or 3 hours most often involve multiple pops and lots of non-stop action, porn-star style. I don't think that's "quality time" in the sense that you or most escorts have in mind. So, the fact I do like to get to know my clients in a more personal sense, is reflected in my rates for dinner dates, overnights, and longer trips rather than physically intense multi-hour fuckfests.

Two. 2 - and 3- hour dates seem to be in high demand. My clients book them even if I don't offer a discount. So why do it? Besides, offering less money for the most physically challenging sessions would just make me crabby and dissatisfied with my job. More $$$ keeps me happy, and by extension, it keeps the clients happy since I won't resent having to perform. I have more 2- and 3- hour sessions than 1-hour sessions so I guess it's not hurting my business. If I start getting lots of hagglers or shorter appts, then I guess I will make some changes.

Three. I don't discount longer dates any more than the average escort in my price range. That is because I don't want to be inexpensive...I want my prices to reflect the fact that I am a high-quality companion I try to convey my preference for longer dates through the text on my website, rather than discounts. If you were doing this job, would you rather be considered affordable, or exclusive?

Over the years I would like to think that I have enjoyed some consideration from my favs in various forms. Extra time spent, off the cock meals and heavily discounted weekend rates come to mind. All of these perks came about as the result of a connection and a trust built between myself and the gals in question, not because of any of their published rate structures.

My point is that I believe a lady sets her rates based on market conditions, advice from other providers and, most importantly, what she feels she is worth. Discounts are applied to multiple hour sessions to entice men into booking them, not because the lady is any more interested in spending a longer amount of time having sex with a total stranger.  

Some gals would rather deal with the same guy for two or three hours-one screening, one set of clean sheets, one clean towel and only one guy in the hallway outside of her room in the afternoon.  Others just want to maximize revenue and simply steal more towels from the maid's cart...

but most 2- and 3-hour appointments are very action-heavy. On my site, my "dinner date" package is listed at 4-5 hours. It's only 20% more expensive than my 3-hour "cocktail date" but most guys opt for 2 or 3 hours and eschew the cocktails, lol.

What does a provider's pricing schedule reveal about her attitude about spending time with clients -- if anything?

Let me give you two scenarios for pricing 1, 2 and 3-4 hour dates.

Provider A: 250/500/750
Provider B: 400/600/800

Pretend my spending limit on a single date is $700. I look at the 2-hour pricing, see that Provider B aggressively discounts after the first hour, and so book provider B instead of provider A; reasoning that the difference in pricing between the two is only $100 and Provider B likely enjoys time with her clients more, which is reflected in her time discount.

Same thing if my spending limit is $800. I look at the 3-4 hour pricing, and reason that even though Provider B is charging $50 more, her discounting is indicative of a preference for quality time.

Is my attribution of motives and therefore reasoning on this incorrect?

Lina,
IF you ever leave this business, i would hire you to run mine.  What an insightfull response.  Great intuition, because they DONT teach that in school.

Best of luck in whatever you do.

Thirsty

because you are making implicit assumptions about the motivation for the difference in the rate schedules. the difference need not be because she enjoys time with clients more. the rate schedule could simply be a reflection of what works well for her in terms of her business values and model.

as a counterexample i could cite several ladies that i have visited. several have been very liberal in discounting longer dates. if anything some ladies that have not been so liberal in discounting longer dates enjoy my company more. they never give up on me until i am completely happy several times over.

in the end one can't tell a damned thing from the rate structure. it is so insignificant in comparison with personal chemistry and compatibility.

do you read tea leaves too?

are you just an asshole on Monday's? Lighten up with the 'fucking' name calling.

Or take your own advice and STFU.

If nothing else, the LV board needs some viewers, so please look at the link.  There is a rumor that mods have to moderate someone for every one set free.  Cosmic balance, or something like that.  Not sure if it's true, but I apologize in advance.  

Mikey is in a class of his own.

i generally book multi hour dates with a view to dining and having a pleasant social experience and not a porn star experience. i am generally willing to give up in the style of a single pop guy and am surprised (pleasantly) when the companion of the day refuses to let me off that easily perhaps it is because i am a wretchedly boring conversationalist?

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???  Who cares???  Set your budget and start seeing the ladies!!!  That's what this hobby is all about.  Don't analyze why a provider sets their price point.  I don't know where you live but where I'm at, there is such a plethora of beautiful GFE's over a broad range of rates that you just set your budget, allot your time, and pick based on reviews and pics.  Don't be such a Spock.  This isn't about logic.  It's about how much fun can you have getting your rocks off.  If you like being with her, repeat.  If you don't, move on.  Too wide of a price range and too many beautiful ladies to worry about price point motive.

He's got a lotta fuck-ups to catch up to my dumbass!

Yeah, I realize I may ... overthink ... things a bit.

But here's the way I figured it. I'm not a multi-pop fuck-fest sort of client. Hell, I don't even want CIM or anal.  I'm more of a take-my-time kind of client, and if I see someone for longer than an hour, the whole idea is for me to spend time enjoying more than just the sex. The few ladies I see are very worthwhile people outside the bedroom as well.

So, for the very reason that I'm not a fuck-fest kind of client; and thus proportionately more time is spent "not fucking," a woman's other attributes take on greater importance in the scheme of things than they would otherwise.

I had noticed, in considering the ladies I have enjoyed most, that they tend to have a declining rate scale. That applies whether their first hour is $200 or $400.

So I was wondering what the correlation might be.

And now I see what the correlation is.

One thing held in common among all the women I see is that they are smart. Smart women are likely to be savvy businesswomen.

So I'm pretty clear now that the rates don't correspond to whether or not the lady enjoys her clients. Rather, they are a pure and simple method of maximizing total dollars collected from each individual client in most cases (because the repeat client is the exception rather than the rule); and for an extraordinary few, a way of maximizing the woman's own capacity to do a superior job.

Very interesting. This most certainly has implications in terms of future booking practices.

This question reminded me of an SAT problem!  Tee-hee

XXX-Giselle

i prefer getting into things rather slowly. while i do appreciate beauty it really helps if there is also a mind and spirit that is attractive. if i get the impression that there is "no one home" then nothing is going to happen. a connection between (at least roughly) equals is erotic and fun. otherwise not so much...

i've seen more than 30 ladies and not reviewed the majority either because they are UTR and don't want it or because of inequality issues or bad chemistry. i won't be condescended to by a diva and neither will i take advantage of someone who isn't fully present.

WELL said Lina, I could not agree more!! My rates are structured VERY similar! The more I get to know you (and enjoy our time in ALL ways) The better date it is ALL around, and for ME worth the mulit Hr discount.
(300/400/500)...Glad we are the smarter ones in the BIZ!

Which I'll share with you in so many PMs...

are in it for the money.

I am sure all of them would prefer not to be sucking a stranger's dick at a cheap hotel. They would rather be with their kids, watching TV or whatever. They need the money.

Yes some people enjoy spending time at work, and being with their boss. Personally I don't.

Read the reviews and find out if she's a good actress.

Remember she's an entertainer. Don't try to look behind the curtain, it can ruin the fun.

Your opinions say a lot about your life. I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Every woman has to market herself according to her expectations from this industry. Depending on location, these two separate examples he gave could be normal market conditions. If a lady expects more hourly encounters, she will price those encounters so they are affordable to more patrons. If she honestly expects to draw one with, not only the budget, but the physical and emotional wherewithal for longer dates, then her pricing structure will reflect that as well.

The one thing that I have learned about life is that misery loves company. We are not all sad about what we do. Some of us don't have to do this at all. I only wish you the best darling, since it's apparent that life is not good to you right now. I hope that you get a raise soon on your job,  and then you don't have to go to cheap hotels to get your dick sucked.

The lady has a reasonably fixed set of expenses related to setting up any appointment, no matter how long it is. Whether the date is 30 minutes or 12 hours, the bulk of her expenses and set-up time are the same. Good business sense argues that spreading the fixed expenses over a longer session reduces the per-hour costs.

So that this part isn't lost -- let me address this first: "If their calendar is as full as they desire, with the quality of gentleman they desire to see and they are charging what the market obviously bears....  why the denigration?"

Let's look at your statement -- it posits a very interesting hypothetical that assumes a lot of facts not in evidence.

"IF their calendar is as full as they desire ..." This is hardly the case with many providers. Many are struggling, and have even posted that they are "hearing crickets" instead of the phone, or accepting older clients they had previously rejected, etc. No doubt SOME providers have a calendar as full as they desire, but this is far from generally applicable.

"... with the quality of gentleman they desire to see ..." This is of course very subjective as each woman's definition of what constitutes "quality of gentleman" will differ. Even so, quite a few women are clearly unsatisfied with the quality of at least some of the gentlemen they see; as can be objectively determined by looking at the National Blacklist, or the mere ubiquity of intra-provider verifications. Furthermore, if you look carefully on this board you will find dozens of providers posting under aliases describing how incredibly unattractive they find most of their patrons to be physically, intellectually and even morally. Some have even openly denigrated (although aliased) the basic human value of their patrons. Many describe mindsets of "just getting through" their appointments. Many state that their orgasms are fake just to make the men stop, etc. Maybe where you come from, providers have the quality of men they desire to see, but this is far from universal I fear.

"... and they are charging what the market obviously bears ..." Given the above two statements, it is not at all obvious that their rates are correct. They may be too low, they may be too high. I'm not going to analyze that because it is very individual. But what may be obvious to you would clearly be news to the providers who are having difficulty getting enough business. The problem might not even be rates -- it could be their location. But that's a subject for another day.

So I fundamentally disagree with the wide applicability of the core premises of your statement; and I believe there is enough objectively verifiable information to sustain that my refutation is correct.

Even so, I agree that I ought not *denigrate* people; and if anyone saw my thoughts as expressing denigration; I truly apologize. If I am being critical of an action or behavior; it should be understood that my criticism is of the action or behavior and NOT of the essential human value of the actor. When I say that someone's behavior is stupid (for example) I am not saying that the person is necessarily stupid. (Though they might be.) After all, many highly intelligent people do stupid things; and opinions of what constitutes stupid behavior vary. For example, my primary care physician categorically defines even KISSING any provider to be "stupid." Nevertheless, it's a simple expression of my opinion, annd ought never be seen as the diminishment of anyone's human value.

Your business analogies fail at two levels.

On the first level, the hobby deals with the problem of restricted supply due to structural inherency (laws) and attitudinal inherency (social mores). In essence it is a villified illegal enterprise. Comparisons to accepted legal enterprise fail because entry into those businesses doesn't usually carry risk of jail. Economically (though not morally) it would be more accurate to compare the hobby to sales of illegal drugs than to plumbing. Last time I checked, nobody was setting up a sting to entrap my plumber.

As an illegal enterprise, providers and agencies are not bound by a host of regulations. They can (and routinely DO) discriminate in dealing with customers on the basis of age, race, sex, sexual orientation, handicapped status and more. If I tried to run a legal enterprise that way my ass would be grass in about three seconds. And this doesn't even address the shenanigans many (though I am sure not all) providers play with taxes; under-reporting income in order to qualify for subsidized state programs, etc. So providing and engaging in legal enterprise are, to at least some extent, very different due to legal issues.

At the second level, while it is true that workmen such as mechanics, lawyers and plumbers seldom discount rates dramatically following the first hour; this is not the end of the analogy.

Providers routinely have a "no negotiating" rule; stating that any attempts to negotiate will be seen as demeaning and put the guy on their DNS list. Funny, but I negotiated with my plumber when I had him install a boiler; and when I last outsourced legal work I negotiated a flat price as well. In fact, I go beyond negotiating in some cases and even put projects out to bid and give the work to the lowest bidder who can do the job -- thereby deliberately forcing prices as low as I can get them while STILL demanding certain standards of quality and sometimes even requiring winning bidders to post a performance bond.

In addition, most dealings with high level sales entail the person selling the product to be wining and dining the potential purchaser. I routinely have salespeople fly in, stay overnight in a hotel, rent a car and all that jazz just for the *opportunity* to present their spiel. Not even a guarantee I'll buy anything.

Can you IMAGINE flying in from Denver, getting all dressed up and treating some guy to dinner and schmoozing the crap out of him in order to convince him to pay for some BCD time with you?

I have no doubt you'd be successful (assuming price negotiations were mutually favorable and you posted the performance bond), but nevertheless the very concept of a provider doing such a thing, though I'm sure there are exceptions, is so foreign to the hobby that the very idea makes me chuckle.

Here's another great one from business.

I was interested in purchasing a monitored server-based service. I convinced the saleslady to let me install the thing, get it up and running, and use it completely including all features for three months for FREE before committing to buy. I even had them invest a lot of up-front work in customizing.

So when is the last time a provider gave a previously unseen hobbyist freebies in anticipation he'd like them so well he'd commit to a monthly get together?

If ANY provider did that, even if her strategy WORKED; other providers would drum her out of the business!

So ... in exchange for flat pricing in your analogies, providers would also be subject to negotiation, bidding, flying all over to schmooze potential clients on speculation, and freebies.

So I disagree with the applicability of your business analogy.

The place where we agree is that the woman can basically do whatever she pleases with her rates. After all, it is her body and she has an undeniable right to set the terms; just as I can set terms for access to mine. It's a basic human right.

But just as exercises of the first and second amendment may also be rights; such exercises are not always wise or free from adverse repercussions.

So if she is paying for an incall and her rate is cheaper then it is harder to give deep discounts. If you are looking at price then I guess you will make your choice in that manner but don't think because one lady gives a better break she is wanting to spend more time with you....my rates 250/450/550 for incall and location depends on the man and his footsteps

Kisses Haley

I disagree rates charged and discounts have nothing to do with anything....What business sense? do you get paid at a discounted rate after your first hour? does a professional (lawyer, etc) give you a discount for longer service?

Personally, I do not read anything in the way providers charge for their time.

And you present some reasonable points as well, however, I think you may have read into and/or misinterpreted what I was saying.  I'm not sure why as we tend to think along similar planes...

I believe I made it clear I was speaking only for myself throughout my post.  I can't presume to speak for others.  I believe I said "...oddballs (like me)...", "To me, my time is my time....", "...I can only speak for myself....", "My calendar....", "....I'm not lacking for company...", etc.  I don't understand what led you to expand my personal experiences into an industry-wide phenomenon and then attack it as false.

As to my statement (If their calendar is as full as they'd like, with the quality of gentleman they desire to see and they are charging what the market obviously bears..) - Call me crazy but haven't I already acknowledged the *IF* of it all?  Why spend the time pointing out that, unfortunately, many ladies aren't in the position to say that statement true is of their situation?  What does the lack of ladies in this position have to do with the validity of the *IF* statement?  It may be true for some (such as myself, see, again I'm drawing on MY personal experiences) but it may not be true for others.  Hence, the *IF*!  LOL  

I see all the negative comments from ladies... and I truly feel sad for their plight.  But their experiences aren't necessarily mine - and I was very clear I was speaking only of my experiences.

As to the business analogy - you are correct that there are lots of differences between this demimonde and the legit business world.  But this is the case with every analogy.  Cat is to house as horse is to barn.  You can get in there and nitpick that a cat is a feline and a horse an equine and therefore the analogy is inaccurate as they belong to different species. Or that a house is an object intended for humans and a barn is intended for animals, so the two domiciles are too disparate to be equatable.  Or a million other ways to be the contrarian [oops, forgive the hyperbole, don't want to give you more fuel to nitpick ].  But nearly everyone with a 5th grade education will understand the basic premise of cats living in houses and horses living in barns without spending their time trying to disprove it's blatant and elementary coherence.

I appreciate you differentiating between your thinking a person is "stupid" or that a choice is "stupid".  I understand you may not agree with each lady's choice in how to structure her rates.  My only point regarding that whatever her structure is, *IF* it works for her.... why would *you* consider it to be a "stupid" choice? (And I know you never used the word "stupid", I'm just trying to cut to the chase here.)  That merely sounds like sour grapes....

If you are going to be all reasonable and logical and stuff, how am I supposed to be disagreeable?

(*sigh*)

I cannot deny that inasmuch as you are talking about your experiences, they are valid; nor the conditional nature of the predication of your conclusions.

Or, in regular-speak, you're right.

Since you're right, does that make us honorarily married? (*grin*)

And some are smoking hot and can get away with any rate choice. Even successful, powerful men long for the type of beauty that stiffed them in K12. Speaking for myself, there is still a small ache in my heart for the two beauties that stiffed me in 6th and 7th grade. I am a visual person, beauty is a lure that I will pay up to an unreasonable amount for.

Goddamit! I was enjoying this banter back and forth, with two obviously intelligent people, and all of a sudden you're 'married'? WTF?!

John, my dog. I have one request. Can I PLEEEEASE be Edrienne's bachelorette' s party gift?!

Come on, man! I get one night. You get the rest of your lives together!

Bros man! Come on!

BTW, there was one EC that I thought walked on water. Now, I have another!

Hope the both of you dig this little ditty I dug up in your honor by the original EC.

Thanks pal!

So you know that for the answers to all your questions, I'll have to get permission from my wife. LOL

So you'll have to ask Edrienne rather than me. (*chuckle*)

I believe she's polyamorous, so there may be some room at the table. I might be able to be polyamorous too, but don't think for one minute I'll be kissing you MP -- it ain't happening. (*grin*)

And I'll kiss mrfisher before I'd kiss you!

Wait....