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time changes
solobippy 6 Reviews 3403 reads
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1 / 56

I'm trying to figure out what I did wrong today.  

I had an appointment for 6pm. Around 12:30pm I texted the provider (P) and asked if she was available earlier.  

Me: Hi P. Just wondering if you're available earlier today.
P: I thought we said 6pm
Me: We did. I had a change in my schedule. Just wondering. If not 6pm still works.  
P: I think 6pm. I don't really appreciate last minute changes. I have my things planned ahead far all the time. Can't just do nothing but to cater to peoples last minute changes.  
Me: OK. Just thought I'd ask.  
P: I don't feel comfortable about this for some reason. If you wanna bail, we can do it. This doesn't feel right.  

Of course now, even if we met up, it's not gonna be a enjoyable time, and i said so. then she told me i needed to learn some etiquette.  

Was I disrespectful of her time? I've had providers ask me to change my schedule and I've had to ask other providers to change theirs due to changes in my schedules - and in both cases it's always just been a "yeah. that works." or a "no. can't do it" and then we go from there.  

Just wanted the input from the community. I would like to know what to fix, so something like this doesn't happen again.  

I can post the entire text convo here, but that is our exchange verbatim.

AmberRoseDelights 147 reads
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2 / 56

There are many of us who are low volume providers who schedule their entire day around appointments where last minute changes and cancellations have a major impact....BUT you said you would still keep your original appointment, so in that case, I don't think there is anything wrong in merely asking if earlier is possible.

Not knowing every detail, I can't determine if there were other factors that made her feel uncomfortable. I think a lot of us are a bit more sensitive than usual with everything that's been going on lately.

If you have certain reactions multiple times, I would pause to examine what's going on, but if an isolated incident, I would just chalk it up to a miscommunication or her having a bad day.

GaGambler 192 reads
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3 / 56

but unless your request came across more like a demand It's my opinion that she was completely out of line and that you dodged a bullet.

 
I will confess, I often find myself freeing up earlier than expected and finding myself in your shoes. One suggestion I might make if you did not word it this way is to make sure you acknowledge that your appointment is for 6 PM and that you are ready, willing and able to honor your original commitment.

 
Here is how I would have worded my "request"  

 
"Hi beautiful, I am so looking forward to seeing you today, and 6 PM as scheduled is still just fine with me, but I wanted to let you know I was able to get free earlier than I expected and if you don't have any previous commitments I would love to see you earlier. I know this is last minute and please don't go juggling your schedule around, but if it works for you let me know, and if not I am still very excited to see you today at 6 as planned"

 
That said, IMHO her response was totally uncalled for and shows a "bitchiness" that I simply don't fine endearing. I most DEFINITELY would have canceled my appointment with her if I had gotten a response like that from any provider I had booked time with, most likely I would also have dropped a couple of GFY's in the process, but that's just me. lol

BarryWright 41 Reviews 148 reads
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4 / 56

I've done this a couple times. Just asked if earlier was possible for an appointment made some days in advance. Some hours before the appointment. One girl who I'd seen before was available and moved up the time. One I hadn't seen before wasn't available and we kept the scheduled time (and had a great session). Another I hadn't seen before was clearly annoyed with me asking, but I apologized and we went through with scheduled time. I don't remember that one as being particularly good or bad.
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From the other perspective, I've had girls  or agencies contact me asking to move sessions earlier and I've changed the time when I could accommodate them, and said no when I couldn't.  
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Some people are just easily annoyed by things that aren't a big deal to other people.

solobippy 6 Reviews 133 reads
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5 / 56

That was my thought as well. I supposed I should have gone the extra mile to let her know it was just a request.

Thanks for the advice.  

Some may not believe me, but that conversation I typed is exactly how it went word-for-word.

solobippy 6 Reviews 139 reads
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6 / 56

Except for the name redaction.

John_Laroche 152 reads
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7 / 56

I've read similar accounts where a simple question or request turns into a BSC response. She likely would have been forgettable.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 149 reads
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8 / 56

This is not something you do on a first appointment, EVER.  The first thing that goes through her mind is that the hooker task force has been assembled a few blocks away by LE and they don't want to sit around until 6:00p to make the bust.  You have to see it from their POV.  They are in an illegal profession, and so it sounds suspicious when a new guy wants to screw around with the schedule you already both agreed on.  

 
If you have seen her before and she already knows you, then the opposite is true.  If she was not able to book an earlier appointment with someone else, she might appreciate you suggesting to move up the time.  That way, she can either finish early that day, or else book someone else for the evening slot that you are vacating.  

 
Always keep the first appointment AS BOOKED with a new girl you are seeing for the first time.  After that, for repeats, what you did is perfectly acceptable, at least with the ladies I know.  There are many times where I book a session after a business meeting, and the meeting finishes early, so I will often call or text and ask if there is any way we could start 30 minutes of an hour earlier.  I will say if she can't, no worries, I will go to Starbucks and relax until the time we already set.  Never had a problem doing it like that with girls who know me.  

 
Modified to correct typo

-- Modified on 5/29/2018 9:52:10 AM

Slickone50 39 Reviews 208 reads
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9 / 56
Drumguy25 23 Reviews 141 reads
posted
10 / 56

I don't see where you did anything unacceptable. You clearly stated that the initial appointment time was still fine, but that you'd be available earlier....if she was.  
Was she a BP refugee? Just sounds like the overly paranoid antics of some of the girls that used to advertise there. I read the convo... " verbatim", you did nothing out of bounds. I think you would have to be too tightly wound to take offense to that.  
On the other hand...BSC tend to be the ride of your life. Lol

mrfisher 115 Reviews 153 reads
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11 / 56

I was really enjoying a session so much with a gal (first time, so only did one hour) that I asked half-way through if I could buy a second hour.

You'd have thought I asked her to do something way beyond her limits.

I guess she had another session scheduled tight by, and couldn't accommodate me.   Perhaps the feeling of not being able to say yes is a big burden to some.

Steve_Trevor 154 reads
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12 / 56

... we all might be more understanding of each other, and not fly off the handle because of a respectful request to change the time, IF it's convenient to do so.

Fortunately, I've never had a provider react that way in the rare cases I asked if we could change the time.  More often, providers have asked me if I can change the time, even the date.  A provider I met for the first time recently asked for 3 different schedule changes after our session was confirmed, first the time, then the date, then the time on the new date. I was able to accommodate her (sometimes I can't), and I had a great time.  

The world isn't giving us many breaks right now, at least not in the USA.  Maybe we could give each other a break now and then.

souls_harbor 153 reads
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13 / 56

I went to a Catholic grade school. You got to learn that a certain high percentage of the nuns were there  because they were failures in regular society. Unfortunately such is the case of this particular field as well due to the social stigma. I'm not saying most, just a higher than normal percentage are wacky. Considering that a high percentage of mist chicks are wacky, well you can imagine the odds. Take it in stride.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 127 reads
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14 / 56

My parents put me in Our Lady of Perpetual Sorrow school, but after two days, I got into it with Sister Mary Goliath and they threw me out.  Probably a blessing in disguise or I would be wracked with guilt over how may hookers I've seen.  I'm not saying you don't get a good education, but it comes with a Master's Degree in guilt.  

John_Laroche 151 reads
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15 / 56

OTOH, your post is giving me flashbacks of my formative years.

GaGambler 150 reads
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16 / 56

I know we want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, even when it comes to rudeness, but would you be so quick to chalk it up to a "bad day" if it were to turn out that the OP had written her and said something more along the lines of "Hey, I got free earlier, I am going to head your way a few hours early"???

 
My suspicion is that no one would be so magnanimous towards him if it were his fault. Like it or not, it's incumbent on merchants to be polite to customers even more so than it is for customers to be polite in kind. This woman was RUDE, and I for one don't give rude people a second chance to earn my business, not without a sincere apology that is.

 
For the record, I am very aware we only have his side of the story, as I said in my earlier response my statements are based on the assumption he is making an accurate representation about how things went between them. Her side of the story might be much different. That said, my point remains, when a woman is rude it's most often chalked up to her "having a bad day" when a man is rude he is simply labeled a jerk.

trex44 9 Reviews 162 reads
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17 / 56

Until you hit the wall at 100 MPH 0:

MmmMelanie See my TER Reviews 133 reads
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18 / 56

Like other ladies in thread have said, the whole day was planned around the original time of the appt. You had a 6pm pre-arranged. Then because your schedule has left you more free time you request she be ready anytime earlier than the original appt time. Any time is a range of 5 and half hours. So maybe she could have been ready for 530pm say, but you left it so open she would have to spend time, back and forth, to suss out what time you meant and what would work. She already went through that when you made the original appt and now you want her to do it again (this is my thinking because this is exactly how it went for me).

I planned my day based on that time (which was also 6pm lol) and so I was going to do what I had planned and everything would have worked out perfectly. But to have to change my entire day because he wants to come earlier now because his day has gone differently than he planned, means I am already into what I had planned for day so changing the appt means I lose my whole day... well, it made me feel he didn't take into account that my day was planned (he booked 3 days ahead of time) and he didn't take into account the amount of preparation I put into an appt. He asked if earlier and what time is good and I said "6pm is good" and I left it to him.

But then because of this I'm thinking I have to drop what I'm doing and start to figure out "Is earlier possible?" I thought maybe I was being rigid. So I try to rearrange in my head, all that I was supposed to do and this and that...It stressed me out. Turns out even if I tried I couldn't rearrange and do anything other 6pm. So...now I'm stressed and a bit resentful so I too WANTED to say something but left it at "6pm is good". He said came back with why he was asking and to see if I sympathized and would change the time. So then I HAD to respond...(I was ready to call it off after that because I was not longer feeling good that I could be nice to him without feeling resentment underneath). I responded with something like have you never had a gf? You can't speed it up .. something like that. It wasn't an ideal response but he imposed on me a whole change of day without any consideration that I am a person with a life outside of this. That I was there for his disposable..and that is de-humanizing and ... result is let's call it off. That's the right thing to do when something goes off the rails to prevent a bad visit.  

His response was to lol and say something funny about his mistake in thinking he could speed a girl up when she is getting ready. So we met...at 6pm. And it turned out.

But when you overwhelm someone with changes they aren't prepared for, but feel obligated to accept, it sets up for unpleasing outcomes...which she (I, we all) want to avoid

That's just my side and my view. Play by play as to how it could have went to turn out like it did. Do with it what you like :)

MmmMelanie See my TER Reviews 145 reads
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19 / 56

P.S. the reason I felt obligated: when he wanted to start earlier and fill up his now discovered free time, I immediately thought "Now he's on the prowl looking for someone to fill that free time with". So if I don't fill it he will get someone else who will do it and that will mean out pre-arranged meeting will be off.

That means because of the way I planned my day, I will have no one to fill that time and I am missing the income I was under the belief that I would receive that day.

So, instead of attempting to accommodate him, I was willing to write if off as a loss and try to learn something from it. To save myself from the stress and disappointment and resentment I was willing to write it off.

But that is why I felt obligated to consider an earlier time etc etc. And the rest is in my other post :)

MmmMelanie See my TER Reviews 238 reads
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20 / 56

Posted By: GaGambler

 Here is how I would have worded my "request"    
   
   
 "Hi beautiful, I am so looking forward to seeing you today, and 6 PM as scheduled is still just fine with me, but I wanted to let you know I was able to get free earlier than I expected and if you don't have any previous commitments I would love to see you earlier. I know this is last minute and please don't go juggling your schedule around, but if it works for you let me know, and if not I am still very excited to see you today at 6 as planned"  
   
 
THAT is ABSOLUTELY perfect!!!!!!! You covered all the bases and allowed her to still feel comfortable that you we're not going to bail on her. That is PERFECT :))   ^_^

MmmMelanie See my TER Reviews 188 reads
posted
21 / 56

This is also excellent advice :))

And holds very true !!

solobippy 6 Reviews 137 reads
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22 / 56

Thanks for the insight! I really appreciate it

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 152 reads
posted
23 / 56

A real gentleman wouldn't start looking for another avenue. I book with ladies who appeal to me. I'm wanting to meet them! Not " any port in a storm". I don't remember ever asking to bump up an appointment, but if I ever did... I would be clear that the original time is still fine, just that I would be available for an earlier rendezvous, from this time forward...if it were beneficial to her scheduling. I would also make clear that I didn't want her to have to go through any extra hassles. But, like I said... I Just book a time I know will work for me and stick with it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 149 reads
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24 / 56

you don't count "income" until its in your hand, and there are no "receivables' for services yet to be rendered unless you signed a contract.  This fact should be one of the things you take into consideration when modifying your schedule to accommodate a customer request.  

 
The other side of the coin is that we johns are sometimes "bumped" out of a confirmed appointment with a girl that just got a request from a VIP customer.  Maybe we booked an hour or two, and some guy with deeper pockets wants the same time we booked and is willing to book 4 or 5 hours.   Its just the way the business works.  I have been on both sides.  I have had instances where I booked an hour two or three days in advance and then an hour or two before the scheduled time,  I get a text that says we have to postpone because the kitchen sink is leaking and the "plumber" can only come at the time I booked.  (This happens so often I have concluded that all working girls live in places with shitty plumbing.)

 
On the other side, there were times when I wanted to book two or three hours starting at a certain time and was told to give her 20-30 minutes to "work it out."  This means some other poor guy is getting bumped for me.  Since I'm on the other side, too, I never feel guilty.  There was one agency girl I was seeing where the booker came right out and told me the girl said to give me priority, so just tell him what time I want and he'll work it out.  That's when I realized I was spending too much just with her.  

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 143 reads
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25 / 56

Fell victim to being bumped over the weekend, by my  ATF. It's happened several times now, enough that I've decided to move on...
Disappointing....especially with such limited options in the current climate, but necessary at this point.

Carla_capri See my TER Reviews 142 reads
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26 / 56

no I can not change Can we maintain the 6 pm meeting ?
PLease   ?
or i need cancel i can not see 12 ;30 pm  but be happy see 6 pm if can manage that  
unless u gave her 10 minutes notice  that is annoying  
i do not think u are disrespectful  I have seen way much worse lol
just do not overthink!!!!  
next.. lol

CC

wesleyelwes 153 reads
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27 / 56

I like posts like these.  There have been several of a similar theme (seemingly innocent actions derailing encounters) lately.  They are good learning experiences for us newbies, thank you.

I made the plunge into the hobby last Thursday, have already racked up a couple of sorties, and am also finding the gods seem to be conspiring to overcomplicate what should be straightforward operations into clusterf*cks for what appears to be their own amusement.  From the radio being jammed on the Christian radio station on the drive over (with warnings to adulterers of eternal damnation) to pulling into the session hotel’s parking lot and finding it to be the venue for the local vice squad’s toys-for-tots drive, it has not been easy.  And I’m not exaggerating here, it is the absolute truth.  Alright, I just made those up.  It’s been a hectic and stressful week.

MmmMelanie See my TER Reviews 157 reads
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28 / 56

Posted By: coeur-de-lion
Re: This is why most business owners know . . . .
you don't count "income" until its in your hand, and there are no "receivables' for services yet to be rendered unless you signed a contract.  This fact should be one of the things you take into consideration when modifying your schedule to accommodate a customer request.  
Of course I counted on it otherwise why did I plan my day based on that appt? If I didn't count on it then I could just willy nilly book and un-book people depending on my ... mood? :))
I know where you're coming from babe, but to a certain point. If I have to set a goal (a big source of motivation) then it appears I will have it covered, then I know still have doubts BUT ... I have to have some faith or else I wouldn't get ready for any visits lol. But i didn't count on it to the point of madness. And if you read the rest of my posts there are other factors that caused me to stress when presented with a appt time change. ;) Also a cancellation meant no income and no way to scramble to fill that slot(night/evening) for a visit and I have every right to be distressed about that.
   
 
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
The other side of the coin is that we johns are sometimes "bumped" out of a confirmed appointment with a girl that just got a request from a VIP customer.  Maybe we booked an hour or two, and some guy with deeper pockets wants the same time we booked and is willing to book 4 or 5 hours.   Its just the way the business works.  I have been on both sides.  I have had instances where I booked an hour two or three days in advance and then an hour or two before the scheduled time,  I get a text that says we have to postpone because the kitchen sink is leaking and the "plumber" can only come at the time I booked.  (This happens so often I have concluded that all working girls live in places with shitty plumbing.)
That's funny :) I realize you are talking to everyone but if you are just talking to me, than I have never, never done that! Keep in mind that I don't book extremely long appts so the motivation would be different for someone who booked a 4/5hr visit. I have had a couple times I have seen if I could rearrange, but it was more to be able to see my known friends and not necessarily for who was going to provide me with the biggest gift. And also because known friends are always the priority, a yet-unmet acquaintance, who is only inquiring and not locked in, will lose the slot if he hasn't decided if I happen to be communicating with a previously known friend. So he will have to be flexible. That is just the way it is. So I'm sorry but I don't understand the many "bumps" you get from so many girls. My business model is one where I am allowed to totally be OCD about keeping my appts and running a tight ship about it :))
   
 
Posted By: coeur-de-lion
On the other side, there were times when I wanted to book two or three hours starting at a certain time and was told to give her 20-30 minutes to "work it out."  This means some other poor guy is getting bumped for me.  
This doesn't necessarily mean some other guy was getting bumped (or maybe it does at an agency but as an independent my experience is completely different). She could be communicating with both of you at the same time trying to decide who to give the time slot too. If she was further along in her communication with the other person, then she would want to give him the opportunity to take that time slot first, and she didn't want to dismiss you as she may still be able to give you that time slot depending on how communications go with the other person.

KalyEscort 188 reads
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29 / 56

the problem was the way  she responded, not the time of the date. Maybe she had a bad day. Sometimes happen.
There're guys who drive me crazy changing time many times and I need to keep calm and smile with a diplomatic response. That's happen when you work with people, doesn't matter the type of work you do.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 126 reads
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30 / 56

About this being his first appointment with this provider?  I agree it's perfectly acceptable to request a time change when you're repeating with a girl you have seen before, but try doing it with the next 20 NEW girls you see and tell us about their reaction.

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 153 reads
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31 / 56

Sounds like the "lady" has a short fuse and could be a MHB, lol.  

Steph XO

Steve_Trevor 149 reads
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32 / 56

... in my story about the provider I was seeing for the first time who asked for three different changes of day or time.  

My point is simply that neither providers nor clients should get all bent out of shape when the other party makes a respectful request for a change in time or even date, especially when the requestor is clear (as in the OP's case) that he or she can keep the original time if that's what the other person prefers.  

And you also missed the part of my post where I mentioned that I rarely ask for changes in time.  So no, I won't be requesting a time change with the next 20 new providers I see.

-- Modified on 6/2/2018 11:08:33 AM

mrfisher 115 Reviews 207 reads
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33 / 56

but in this world, toast is always going to hit the floor buttered side down, so we have to adjust our expectations and take comfort in what ever good we get.

-- Modified on 6/2/2018 1:10:32 PM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 146 reads
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34 / 56

to make an issue of your lack of experience, but since you don't seem to get it, I will explain.  

 
Newbies are often under the misapprehension that because THEY are the customer, they are ENTITLED to equality and reciprocity during the scheduling process.  Nothing could be farther from reality.  When you're he new guy, she may book your appointment, then AFTER you're booked, she starts hearing from her regulars that see her every week, or book extended sessions and they want the time that  you booked.  These are guys she knows she can count on for a certain amount of her monthly cash flow.  Is she supposed to say to them, "Sorry guys, I booked one hour with a new customer that I haven't met yet" and risk losing a regular?  

 
Any girl that keeps an appointment with a new guy over her dependable regulars won't be in business very long, because many new guys don't repeat.  Not every provider can connect with every customer, so often, its a one-shot deal.   Yes, you would have to admire her integrity if she actually did that, but integrity doesn't pay the rent.  So when you are new and booking with a girl FOR THE FIIRST TIME, while YOU should never mess with the schedule (you seem to think its still okay), don't expect her to do the same if she has an opportunity to make more money with someone else.  (You do get that they are in it for the money, right?)  You may even continue to get shuffled around for awhile even when repeating until you establish yourself as an IMPORTANT customer like her other important customers.  If you're spending a thousand a week on a girl, you can expect the best of everything she has to offer, including preferential scheduling, but if you're a one-hour guy once or twice a month,  don't get full of yourself and think she's not treating you well.   She will treat you the same as other customers that are at your same level of business, but not the same of her VIP customers. Get over it and welcome to the reality part of the fantasy.  Read again what Fisher says above, i.e., things are not always as WE think they should be.  

GaGambler 174 reads
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35 / 56

While it is true that the OP said he could still make the 6 PM appointment, he didn't LEAD with that statement, he only told her that AFTER she reminded him that their session was scheduled for 6 PM. If he had led with "I know our appointment is at 6 and that still works for me" that would have diffused the situation before it ever became a "situation" lol

 
That said, she most definitely overreacted and came across as kind of a bitch if you were to ask me, but he does bear some of the guilt for allowing any misunderstanding to arise in the first place.

 
Please keep in mind, the goal is not to "win the argument" the goal is for everyone to have as good and drama free time as possible, it's amazing how a few well placed words can eliminate misunderstanding from happening in the first place and how a few mischosen words can create a shit storm.

Steve_Trevor 161 reads
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37 / 56

... all are entitled.  Entitled to be treated as human beings, with consideration and respect.

You treat people as you wish. I'll treat them as I believe they should be treated.  It's worked pretty well for me so far.  

And FWIW, I'm no newbie.  And you have no idea why that provider asked me to change the day and time 3 times.  You do like to make assumptions, don't you.  Things are not always as you assume them to be.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 151 reads
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38 / 56

You look even more naïve.   I'm not assuming anything.  I'm speaking from ten years of experience with over 600 providers.  Whatever the reason she TOLD you for rescheduling, in my experience, 90% of the time its really about bumping you to another time to accommodate a more important regular customer.  But yes, the ONE day you are talking about, you COULD have been bumped for another reason, but it looks like you don't know for sure either, or you would have said so by now.  I'll stand on my own experience that 90% of the time its about moving you in deference to a more valuable customer.  I know that goes against your kumbaya sensibilities, but its the reality of this business, so get used to it.   If you are going to be in this hobby (just denying you're not a newbie doesn't change your obvious newbie Pollyanna perspective. . . . you are thinking like a newbie), you cannot reshape how the business works singlehandedly.   Nobody is going to disagree how everyone should treat everyone else with respect, but your refusal to acknowledge the reality of how this illegal business works makes you a newbie, or at the very least, such a low-volume hobbyist that you still don't understand how it works.  You still don't have a clue, so I'm giving up on you.  Go ahead and have the last word, its what Newbies live for.  How long would it take you to compile a list of the last 20 providers you have seen and how you found them?  It would take me about ten minutes, because I only have to go back about 10-12 weeks, and its all still fresh in my memory.  

GaGambler 145 reads
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39 / 56

In your case, dealing mainly with K-girls who are "at work" all day, every day, you might have a point, but Indy's who don't keep 10 AM to 10 PM "office hours" have all sorts of things come up that necessitate a scheduling change.

 
Of course he doesn't know FOR SURE what actually happened, it's not like he's going to ask for a "doctor's excuse" but you are WAY off base with your claim that 90% of rescheduled appointments are due to being bumped.  

 
You speak of having all these years of experience, but when it comes to women other than K-girls your experience really isn't much more than the typical newbie here. I also disagree about rescheduling on your first appointment, especially if you are rescheduling for earlier and not later, as long as you lead your request by reassuring her that you are still ready, willing and able to keep your original appointment time. Most K-girls are booked solid all day long, so rescheduling with them is usually not an option, but lets say a woman does have a "hole in her schedule" you are booked for 6 PM, it's 10 AM when you reach out to her and she just happens to have availability at 12. If she was just going to be sitting around her incall anyhow, this gives her a chance to fill an empty time slot and gives her six hours to fill the vacant spot created by changing his 6 PM appointment.

 
Personally, I have lost track of how many times I have done this, and it would serve you well to remember that this is a national board and what works in the So Cal K-Girl world doesn't necessarily hold true for the rest of us. The key of course is HOW you ask, The OP fucked up IMO by not stating in her very first message that he was more than willing to keep his original appointment time, he only told her in response to her reminding him that their appointment was at 6 PM.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 138 reads
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makes me a newbie, then I guess I'm a Newbie in that particular market, I would venture to say there are some guys you would call "veterans" here that have not seen that many independent providers, but I don't mind being held to a higher standard.  Granted, I have seen many more Kgirls, but I don't see how that diminishes the experience I have had over a ten-year period with the indies I have seen.  You, of all people, should know they are not mutually exclusive, just different.  

 
However, you are dead wrong about messing with the time on a first appointment when you are seeing a girl for the first time.  When YOU are booking as GaG, there is a long and colorful history any provider can access that shows you are, without a doubt, a legitimate hobbyist, and so they are not going to be uncomfortable with you requesting a time change on the FIRST appointment.  That is not the case with newbies, so its apples and oranges.  My post above that said customers should NEVER mess with the schedule on the FIRST APPOINTMENT with a new provider, but its okay once they are established,  got an awful lot of support.  There is a natural tendency, and rightly so, for providers to always be suspect that an UNKNOWN new guy might be LE, and so any odd or suspicious behavior, no matter how innocently motivated on the part of the customer, can feed that fear.  So what works for GaGambler (who is NOT an "unknown") is not necessarily the same thing that will work for a newbie.  When you were a newbie, you weren't able to legally go into a bar and have a drink.  Its not the same for most guys here, where the providers don't know them from Adam.  

GaGambler 161 reads
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and for the record I do not live in an area where TER carries much weight to begin with.

 
It's not WHO you are necessarily, it's HOW you make the request. Anyone who was able to get an appointment in the first place has already passed screening, so the odds of them being "newbies" to anyone else but you are slim.

 
My point remains, IF you lead off with "I am ready, willing and able" to keep the original appointment, But...  you will have diffused any possible reaction from her that you are asking her to fuck up her entire day to suit you.  

 
It's very similar to something I do whenever I have a drive of any length. Traffic being what it is I always allow at least fifteen minutes or even more, depending on the length of the drive, to make sure I am not late to my appointment/s. This often results in me getting there a good 15-30 minutes early. Now I am VERY aware that most providers HATE having clients show up early and I would never "demand" that our session start early just because I got there 15 minutes before scheduled, but "sometimes" the girl really is just sitting there waiting for me to show up. I almost always tell the women I see that I will text them when I arrive, and that I "might" get there early, but if they are busy getting ready when I text to not even bother returning my text until they are ready to see me, but "if" they are ready early they can let me know as I will just be killing time waiting for them. NEVER have I gotten a negative reaction when doing that, but I guarantee you if you try just telling your date/s that you are there fifteen minutes early and ask to start the session early without couching it in a manner such as mine, you are eventually going to get an earful from some provider sick and tired of guys EXPECTING them to be ready 15 minutes early.  This has nothing to do with who I am, but everything to do with how I act.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 143 reads
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I allow extra drive time as well, and sometimes there is no traffic.  As soon as I realize I am going to be 15 or 30 minutes early, I will text the girl or the booker and say if she isn't busy, meaning she did not have a customer in the slot before me, I can start earlier if SHE WANTS TO, and it works about a third of the  time.  I say if she is busy, I will just hang out and relax at Starbucks until my scheduled time.  So I think we are on the same page except that I still contend that its sketchy to do this on the FIRST appointment with a new girl or new booker.  I have known guys that did this and then couldn't get an appointment after that because the girl or booker felt something wasn't right about a guy they HAVEN'T met wanting to change the time right out of the box.  ATFER you have had your first session, I AGREE it is perfectly acceptable, and I too, do it whenever the opportunity presents itself, mostly in a similar way to what you suggest. Some providers (and bookers) are not as paranoid about LE as others, but why take the chance of getting BL'd just because you made good time getting there?  For me, the reward does not justify the risk.  That's why I would NEVER request a time change on the first appointment with a new girl.  Even if she goes for it, she's going to be nervous the first 15-20 minutes wondering if she was set up.  I want a great session right from the very beginning.  lol

bobby_orr 13 Reviews 148 reads
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If that was me I would have said...  Yes, you are probably right it's best I just cancel as it will probably not be a very fun time based off
 of your poor attitude.  I would and have said those exact words when similar situations have happened to me.

I have had my schedule change during the day, through no fault of mine.  Made the lady aware that I am also free earlier now if that makes things better for her schedule to let me know.  I have gotten similar responses a couple of times and have backed out of seeing them due to their poor attitude.

When you let them know about your time freeing up earlier and let them know if it helps their schedule to get a response with a poor attitude back..  
Then I am not wasting my hard earned money to hope she has a better attitude in person, I am passing and letting them know why.

GaGambler 200 reads
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and as I stated, I let her know even BEFORE I arrive early that I "might" be early so she won't think it's odd when I do, and she won't feel obligated or irritated by my text telling her I am 15 minutes early as she is already expecting it and I've already told her to feel free to ignore it if she's busy getting ready. Or busy with another customer, but of course I would NEVER say such a thing. lol

 
Again, speaking from experience, I have done this dozens, maybe even hundreds of times and NEVER, not even once has it caused a problem.

 
BTW if a provider, ESPECIALLY a K-girl is nervous for the first 15-20 minutes then you are most definitely doing something wrong. I can't remember the last time I was not greeted at the front door by a K-girl without getting a serious DFK, by the time I have gotten done "saying hello" the last thing she'll be thinking about is if I am LE. lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 141 reads
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I'm talking ONLY about the FIRST APPOINTMENT with a new provider or a new booker with whom you have NO history.  I'm close friends with enough bookers to know how they think about new guys, and I'm in the most prolific Kgirl scene on the planet.  I agree with 100% of what you say ONCE you are past the first appointment.  You are not making a distinction between the FIRST SESSION with someone new, and repeat sessions, and you have now conveniently added that you already told her that you "might" be early, which I would also not recommend on a first session.  Once they get to know what a great guy you are, then all of the things we have been discussing are okay.  

 
If you still think I'm wrong about first appointments being different, I will offer you this challenge.  Come to LA, contact a booker that doesn't know you, and request an appointment.  Then the day of the appointment, text in the morning and say you want to change the time or that you might be early.  If the booker even lets you see anyone at all after that, I will pay for the session.  I get PM's weekly from newbies who finally secured an appointment, and then did some shit like you're suggesting and then the booker won't even talk to them after that.  They want to know how to fix it and its not always fixable.  Once a provider or booker is suspicious about you, they are not likely to be persuaded to see you, so you don't do anything to raise suspicion in the first place.  Its common sense.  So I will stand on my position when it comes to FIRST appointments with a new provider.  Don't try to change the time until AFTER the first appointment has been completed without incident.  There may be exceptions to the rule, like you claim to experience, but the high-percentage play for consistent success is to do it my way until she knows you.  

GaGambler 142 reads
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You think the entire hooker world runs like it does in your limited So Cal K-Girl world and the fact of the matter is that it does NOT.  

 
I know you know how to read, so I will chalk this up to you being intentionally obtuse. I quite clearly stated I do this all the time, both with new provider (new to me that is) and ones I already know alike. I have done this most likely just as many times as your TOTAL number of appointments with indies, (using your own numbers) and I have NEVER had a problem doing so.  

 
So let me repeat, If I know I am going to be early I am always going to give the lady the OPTION of starting the session early. Quite often she really is getting ready and can't be bothered to even answer my text when I send it much less actually start the session early, but I know that going in and I usually just wait in my car returning emails or talking shit on TER. This has worked for me long before you even started this little hobby of ours. You can lecture the newbies (or those you think are newbies) all you want, but I will put up my level of experience with this against yours any day of the week.

 
and thanks for the offer of a  free session, I will be sure to take you up on it the next time I am in LA. I usually only book one hour sessions, but since you will be paying I suppose I need to make my next LA K-girl session a multi hour one. lmao

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 143 reads
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against mine?  Really?!!   Your last gasp is to play the my-dick-is-bigger-than-yours card?  LMAO  That's usually a sign that someone knows they have painted themselves into a corner, and a misdirection that has no bearing on the relative merits of their arguments.  

 
I'm not talking just about Kgirls.  I'm talking about indies, too.  Maybe we should just see what an independent provider thinks.  Just happen to have one handy.  Lol

GaGambler 181 reads
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Or do you deny constantly reminding anyone you think is a newb about your vast experience fucking hookers?

 
So if we are going to play "who's dick is bigger?" I am the bigger dick by at least six or seven inches. lmao.

 
and if you would like to use Melanie as the final arbiter, here you go.

Drumguy25 23 Reviews 162 reads
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By the time you've done 5.... haven't depleted your life savings, or professed your love for one of them, I would think the rookie stigma is past. It's not rocket science... just sayin.

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 160 reads
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at least small in my understanding way of seeing this, omg in light if the recent events I make every effort to makes things work out. I might have inwardly had a little eyeroll, but since he followed up with the fact that the original date time was fine too, I think the response with kinda BSC and rude.  

That reminds me I gotta tell you about a MHB experience I dealt with. OMG!  

Steph XO

MatureGFE See my TER Reviews 173 reads
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I'm just laffing about adding links that are to posts on this very thread, and yes, I know...he started it, lol. ;-)

Steph XO

BetterTomorrow 32 Reviews 133 reads
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I always ask when I can come earlier but I make sure she knows for sure I am fine either way like you suggested.
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The OP was not in the wrong but his first line can trigger some people, especially someone under stress or a stickler to schedule. Her response to the OP would also make me think I won't have an enjoyable time because she won't be happy. Of course I would not say it to her and pour gas on smoldering ember. Still, I don't think she deserved even one GFY, but that's just me :-)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 144 reads
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DID get it right on how you would word a request, but how many newbies can do it like that?  You're just out to lunch making it advice for newbies like the OP.   I'm still waiting for any provider (except your wing-man Steph) to go on record that its perfectly acceptable to ask to change the time on the SAME day for a FIRST meeting by a NEW customer that you don't know, and how comfortable they are with that in the way the OP describes how HE did it.  Its pretty clear that is what I said in my first post on this thread, and the second paragraph goes on to say that once you have seen her, subsequent requests for schedule changes are okay, and I agree with everything you said in regard to subsequent meetings.  My post was clearly from the POV of a provider's security and safety, and I would assume that the "likes" I got were from providers, not Newbie hobbyists.  

 
While your vast experience that you also often tout here any chance you get may have given you insights that, when combined  with your outgoing personality, would enable you to pull off changing times with a provider that doesn't know you,  I think it's a bit reckless to recommend that as a good strategy or acceptable practice for newbies just starting out.  They just don't have the experience to pull it off and should instead play I safe.  If a bunch of newbies want to do what you suggest, I will just sit back and watch the carnage.  

 
Just for the record, it was YOU that got desperate enough to reach for the "bigger-dick" card, not me.  But then you changed it from "who's got a bigger dick" to "who's a bigger dick."  Those are two different questions, and I think there is room for each of us to prevail on one of them.  Lol

-- Modified on 6/4/2018 2:36:44 PM

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 141 reads
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but like I said, I've been on both sides, so I have come to accept that its part of the business.  In life, some days you're the pigeon, and some days you're the statute.  Lol

MmmMelanie See my TER Reviews 169 reads
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Posted By: GaGambler
 
 So if we are going to play "who's dick is bigger?" I am the bigger dick by at least six or seven inches. lmao.  
   
   
 and if you would like to use Melanie as the final arbiter, here you go.
I had to google 'arbiter' to find out what my role was here. If you want to be the bigger dick then I think you should win! ;)

Summary:  
First appt: always keep the original appt time. Yes it shows a whole lot of things that are good about a client cuz if you change it, it sets off the spidey sense, there may be no reason for it, but it does. (and I'm canadian and don't have the same rules hanging above me as you all do)...plus all the reasons I gave in another post here.

Not the first appt: want to change appt time totally, by hours? Copy and paste GaG's perfect words...you can't lose (with me anyways)

First appt showing up a touch early?: I'm ok with that and it is especially ok if I know you are prepared to wait until the original appt start time. Again...use the perfect wording scenario (that is actually not so hard. Many guys seem to have that down pat) They can just say "I know I'm here a little early. Just letting you know. Take your time" That works. Then when I'm ready I text "ready" wait for them to get text cuz they could be playing Sudoku on their phone or something. Final specific text and we off to the races. :)

Final Conclusion: Neither one can be 100% right. But together they make 100% right, because of the dynamics of the humanity side , business side and the fact you are dealing with a girl who wants to make sure she's all pretty and in right headspace for the date, those approaches, when chosen for the proper time and in the proper order of operation, should be 100% right. No losers... only WINNERs  ^_^

(I feel the pressure here being summoned the way I was ...I am nervous to click "post message" but ... here goes)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 143 reads
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GaG and I are friends and agree 90% of the time.  This was one of the times we didn't agree, but we argue the subject matter and try not to make it personal (I'm giving him a pass on the "bigger-dick" contest - he can't help himself - lol).  However, you have shown you're a good sport with a great sense of humor, so thanks for adding another two cents along with your wisdom and experience on the subject, which I agree is correct.  He's probably going to call me a BSU now, but I can take it.  It won't be the first time.  LOL

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