The other day I get a text (from a provider that I have seen before) asking if I can help her out by booking a 1 hr visit.  She tells me that she needs a few hundred to cover her rent and tells me she "will make it worth my while".  We agree on an early 1 hr. appointment the following day with multiple shots on goal.  I arrive at her place and we make our way up to her bedroom; she drops to her knees and begins working on junior.  Then, she mentions that we need to do a quickie because her landlord is coming over to pick up rent money and do a quick fix on sink.  Also, she promises that I can come back after he leaves and continue for round #2.  We have our quickie and I head out the door for some breakfast thinking that I will return for round 2 after some nourishment.  On the way out the door she tells me to come back in 45 min, but text first.  After breakfast I text and she replies that her landlord has not arrived yet and asks if I could wait a little longer.  Me, being the nice gullible guy that I am, agree to wait.  I wait and wait and wait some more. After another 30-40 minutes she texts and tells me that it will be only a little longer and she will text me as soon as he leaves.  Anticipating a short wait I head over to her place and park a little down from her apartment.  I'm sitting in my car, listening to music, when suddenly I see a car pull up to her place and she walks out, gets in the car and drives off with a female friend.  At this point I am pissed and decide to head home with my tale tucked between my legs.  On my way home I pull behind her friend's car which is stopped at a red light and by coincidence follow behind them for several miles.  I call her phone but she doesn't answer and doesn't return my call.  After a few more minutes, they pull into a shopping center and I see them enter a store while I am waiting at a light.  Later, she calls me and apologizes profusely for blowing me off (no pun intended).  Then she offers to make it right by providing me a free hour appointment.  She is a newbie so I decided to give her a few pointers on how to be a responsible provider and the proper way of taking care of business in a long text.  She graciously accepts the advice and again apologizes.  My questions are (obviously): 1) should I give her another chance and take her up on her offer since she is new to the business? and 2) Why are some young women (she's 27) so oblivious to common courtesy and think that other people's time is so insignificant?  I think I know your answers but curious on your take.   Sorry for the "long version".

She was probably giggling with her GF while you were calling her.

covering her rent? No, going shopping. Write a review and include these details. She's new but she's got the bullshit part down pat. You were screwed over bro.

If you give her another chance, there will be some sort of emergency next time, too.  She'll tell you there's a REASON, not an excuse.  You will be painted as insensitive and a bad person for expecting something for nothing (as she will conveniently forget she promised you exactly that), and if you wind up going to see her again, you'll spend a lot of money and get little in return.  Or, at least, that's been my experience when this has happened to me.

...and then flake on the next thing. She is one that believes her and hers is better than you and yours. She does whatever it takes to get the thing of the moment done and hang the consequences. She's been getting away with this for a long time. Don't let it be you again. If you let her she will play you when it suits her purpose.

Doesn't matter if she is new or what.  She should never behave like this in any setting!  Sorry to hear you had this experience.

She kept you waiting for nothing and she drove off with her GF to go shop with the donation you gave her.

You have 12 reviews. Have you learned anything yet?

I kinda doubt she goes through with it, but if she does, why not?

... she will book a free session and, most likely, either NCNS or have another emergency at the mall.  

your real name must be Fiddle..she just loves playing you..

to your question already.Kind of tacky to contact a client out of the blue and ask for an appt should have been your first warning.At least you got some type of service from what you described not what you guys agreed on.All of that waiting and multiple texts telling you to wait some more is another warning.
What I don't understand is why did you follow her friend's car all the way to the mall?Sounds a little weird.

Why would you give someone another chance that wasted your time to that extent?
Her being 27 in my opinion has nothing to do with being respectful and courteous of another person's  time.  Many providers in that age range that are professional that know how to have common courtesy and respect regarding time.
Sounds like a provider who does not care about her business by texting a client asking for money for rent(which is starting to sound more like shopping money) and leaving you waiting around.
I just don't get it I am sure you can find a reputable provider who is more respectful of your time in your area and who doesn't send random texts asking for appts.

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I wasn't following her friend's car intentionally; I was traveling home and we were both going in the same direction.  This NE  town is relatively small and there is, basically, only one way out of town to get to the interstate.

She will sooner or later need a PREPAYMENT again for another reason! But I bet it is for a WHOLE lot more than $200...

about the rent being due, or picked up  mid month??? Rent is not due mid month! She would have till MAX the 5th...  

he DID give her $200  

Please at least have the decency to write a review about her. Sure, you feel bad because she's new and just starting out, but this kind of behavior doesn't change. If she's the type of woman who uses people, she's not going to become something else as she learns how to work as a provider. She is a user. You should let people know.

The donation for the session was 300

After hearing all the comments and after reflecting on my experience, I submitted a review on the lady in question.

When was the last time you heard a free session was actually a free session without the gent expected to give the lady an extremely large tip (usually 100% of donation) to cover the time she needed to prepare for the date, her effort and such.

you paid say max $100 for your "quickie"  and the "make-up" you have paid $200 for..  

The biggest part of my upset is she kept you hanging on like a fool, wasting your time.  You ought to dump her...  but would I actually do it?  I'm not sure.
I think I'd try to reschedule for your hour of prepaid sex...  and I'd not be giving her a tip.  She'll probably suddenly become hard to reach.  But think I'd call her bluff.  If she does not follow through, she's burned her own bridge.  
I would be very tempted to let her know she & her GF "drove right past me"...  but stragically it's better of you don't.  
The prevailing TER wisdom is don't advance money to "hookers" (Intentionally use this word for shock effect).  The prevailing wisdom is any advances, loans, etc should be considered gifts because it's likely to never made good on.  YET, there are others who have reported the provider having honored their obligation.  One gent reported 50 / 50.      

So, I submit the review and it comes back rejected for the following reason: "Providers name is not provided in her ad".  Any ideas on how to get around this problem? I would like to let people know about the circumstances, but there seems to be a major obstacle to my posting a review. By the way, the moderator provided no instructions on how to bypass this roadblock.

you answered her ad

Was this the first review of this provider here?  If so, that's a problem but if she also has a web site or is registered on P411 or Date-Check put that in and it's an OK substitute.

As I mentioned in the OP, she is a newbie provider and pretty uninformed as far as the business goes. Yeah, this is her first review here and she is not on any other service such as P411 or Datecheck.

Looking for some guidance here and if moderators are following I would appreciate their professional opinion.  Since I cannot get my review accepted because this provider does not list her name in ads and this is a TER requirement, would it be acceptable to post a "Rip-Off" warning on the NE Discussion Board which includes her name, phone number, and town she operates?

But given what you've said I'd say you're screwed.

Your alert would be pointless, because you were the one who gave her money upfront, and did not get what was promised. Most guys are getting what they want, when they pay, and not before or after. You broke the rules too, so that's on you. Most guys here don't care, because they are not going to do something like that.

What rules do you speak of?  Being a nice, respectful, and trusting guy?  IMO, you have been in this business too long if that's your view. Sorry, but I am not going to change for anyone, I like being the person that I am.

Your alert won't help them, because they would never do that in the first place! FYI, for the "long time" I have been in this business, I have never fed a guy such a lame ass story, and expected money. You're pissed off and want a way to pay her back, which we all get. The point you miss, is no one gives a shit because they are not going to EVER pay a provider upfront to begin with. They are still going to see the girl, but probably insist on paying after she fks them.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this a general discussion forum where we can share thoughts or ask questions on this business.  I was just looking for a little guidance and thoughts on a matter.  Let's be clear, I have never mentioned this person by name, nor alluded to her identity.  Furthermore, I did not divulge where this person operates. Personally, I feel though out this process like I've taken the high road and am not ashamed of my actions here.  Initially, my intentions were decent and respectful to this lady, although I admit on my intentions to engage in a little fun.  If I was played, so be it, but as I mentioned above I will continue to be a respectful, and honest gentleman in all encounters.

While you may not "give a shit", I believe that many guys  (and ladies) on this board "do give a shit" based on the numerou emails and messages of support and inquiry that I have received.

is still built on TRUST.  Most gals insist on payment in advance & some remove the payment prior to the session.  You are trusting her to perform as promised.  I've had things change after the money changes hands & I expect most of us have.  It's not cool but that is WHY we have TER.  Why we need TER.  
After the first meeting I generally switch to old school technique of payment after.  i do it because it keeps the illusion going longer...  though it tends to discourage surprize changes in the rules, but from those least inclined to do the switchero.  
The switch from an hour session to a quicky BJ...   and then rushing you to leave...  is just not right.

you've been around for awhile and your OP was honest. My only comment, is when I get an unsolicited call/text/email from an escort to come visit her, my bullshit detector starts to rise.   Seems like I always get contacted at the EOM, when all the bills are due.


Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this a general discussion forum where we can share thoughts or ask questions on this business.  I was just looking for a little guidance and thoughts on a matter.  Let's be clear, I have never mentioned this person by name, nor alluded to her identity.  Furthermore, I did not divulge where this person operates. Personally, I feel though out this process like I've taken the high road and am not ashamed of my actions here.  Initially, my intentions were decent and respectful to this lady, although I admit on my intentions to engage in a little fun.  If I was played, so be it, but as I mentioned above I will continue to be a respectful, and honest gentleman in all encounters.

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I agree with the OP as far as doing a review. Yeah maybe some will ignore it, but others won't. She did short him his time, he did not get what he paid for. Also this is an unreviewed girl and who knows who else she is doing this to?  

Next time don't follow your provider when she leaves before you do .
 When I read your OP my first thought was stalker .  
  I don't believe you would be as irritated if you hadn't pulled out behind them and coincidentally  
saw her shopping .  
 I look the other way every chance I get .
 I would have dumped her when she jerked me the first time  .
  YMMV  
 

I did not mean to imply that no one gives a shit about "this happening" but they don't give a shit about it happening to THEM, because they would never do such a thing. Clear now? Great.  

To get PM and email from others?  Are you that fucking bored with life?

Stupid as well.

The crying over spilled milk, is asinine. Then, "Oh boo hoo I can't write the review, because she does not have an ad to link." Um, then I HIGHLY DOUBT most TER guys are going to see her ass anyway, so putting this here was pointless!  They see "well reviewed" women ON TER! So, not only did he loan this hooker money, but she was not even a well reviewed provider. Fkin brilliant. Now, he gets defensive when we don't wipe his tears. Yawn.



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and then following her while calling, I doubt he has to worry about hearing from her again.

Her bad behavior aside, does anyone NOT get stalker  out of this whole tale of woe? Not to mention his long text (read lecture) to her about her business practices.

His version of the story has so many holes in it, the only part I believe is the part about waiting in front of her apt and then following her. The rest of it I am taking with a huge grain of salt.

and since when are you nice? or are you saving all your ire for Daffy on P&R?

Beat you to the stalker comment by 15 whole minutes

See my post above  LOL

She just was nice about it and didn't use the actual word.

$ 100 each so he can really feel that ass fucking with no lube  

A hobbyist comes on here for advice and the tables get turned on him. How pathetic is that?

In the old days people here would not white knight for an unknown hooker who behaved badly. Unreal.

Although she doesn't constitute a rip off because you did have some services, she does deserve to be named on your regional board.

He did pay her and she did not provide to her end of the contract. Period the end.

Don't speak for most guys either. You are not one of us, and don't forget that. Most guys do care.

His alert should have been posted on his regional board in the first place, not here so the white knight defenders can come to this anonymous hookers rescue.

What I do see are many posts (including mine) calling out the OP as a potential stalker.  If you followed his posts they changed over the thread.

Oh, cry me a river Panthera. You have no room to talk about "attacking people who come here for advice." Had this been a female, I can bet your post would not be the same. Some guys here can see the forest for the trees despite that "all for one and one for all" shit. He not only gave this woman money UPFRONT, but followed her ass all the way to the damn mall! Then, she was not even a well reviewed provider (or reviewed at all for the matter) that he could possibly smear because of what she did. I feel bad it happened to him, but wtf. If one of us girls trusted a guy to pay AFTER and we got ripped off, would you not say we were pretty stupid? Yes, you would lol

Had that been me, I would have made my "friend" pull over, and kicked him right in the nuts then threw the money back at him. He is lucky she did not have some gangster take care of him for the lecture and the stalking. Creepy all the way around.

You followed her and her friend all the way to the mall? And then you saw them park the car, get out, and walk into a store all while waiting at a red light? Complete bullshit, but I'm glad you posted so that the ladies will know to avoid clients like you.

So, are you saying you would pay a provider upfront? If not, then it does not pertain to you. Would you see a provider with NO REVIEWS? Again, if not...why would you care? The guy is creepy...end of story, and the GUYS called him on that before I did. This is not a bros before hos board, like you may want it to be. Some people here have common sense and don't just take up for someone based on their sex. Duh...

What you fail to realize is that is about as dumb as trying to post an alert on some sugar baby...she can change her name in 5 min. Without an ad or website to link to, how the hell is saying "Stacy ripped me off," going to help anyone? If she is not on TER, who the hell is going to benefit from it? Not saying he can't do it, though.

I try to share some information and get a little advice and the flood gates of hell open up.  For the record, I am not stupid  (I have a doctorate in physics),and teach at a major university. Second I am not a stalker; never have been, nor will I ever be. I really feel sympathy for many of you.  I'm out of here and don't plan on coming back because of the mean-spirited actions of a few jaded individuals.  Bye!  Good luck getting any future info from me!

but to turn him into a stalker was turning the tables. Telling him it is his fault is one thing. Telling him that an alert on his regional board is pointless is another.

Don't lay the if it was a "female" thing on me either I am an equal opportunity critique. If that statement has something to do with your departed buddy, I hope she returns after her therapy.

Try reading my explanation a few lines up before you jump to conclusions

Here is a clue...if you want ass kissing responses, post on the NEWBIE board. This is actually a mistake that only a newbie should make, so it would have been allowed there, and no one could have been rude to you, or for fk's sake, HONEST!

She has done her share of NCNS's and other bad behavior in the hobby.

That's Ad Hominem at its finest, and unlike the OP who did not call out this girl's name, you felt the need to dog out Farrah, who does not have even ONE bad review?

I would normally respond to your rants, but to get into a pissing match with the likes of you serves no real purpose in life.  Just hope I never run into the likes of you in the business! Good Greef!

If he has her stage name and her work phone # she DOES NOT HAVE TO HAVE A CURRENT AD for him to post on his regional board. She's a hooker. This is what he said.....

The other day I get a text (from a provider that I have seen before)

He said provider. How would you know that she is not going to run an ad on BP next week when she needs rent money?

I did not make mention of her reviews. I am talking about her NCNS's and not opening the door when she doesn't like what her date looks like. They will not show up in reviews. WTF?

Try to do some research before spouting off.

My point is, you always expect "the boys" to just take up for every ass hat just because he is a male. And, though he is not a stalker, his actions were stalkerISH! If a provider posted a thread about some guy hanging out in her parking lot, following her out all the way to the mall, and watching her get out of the car (who the fk can even park in a damn mall in less than 10 min.?), I think we would all agree, that was a bit creepy if we did not know the whole story

Just bringing back memories to ya London!

about what you think of me bwahahhaa. FYI, if you ever did "run into me" I would not ask you for money upfront and then flake on you. You're not mad at me...you are mad at YOURSELF but nice projection there. Oh, and it's "grief," not "greef" Mr. "I have a fkin Doctorate" lol.  Bye now, cry baby!

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How do YOU? If no one posted about her, how the fk can you make such asinine claims? It's obviously not something she does often, because her rates are still high and she is still getting nothing but 9s and 10s. No, I am not smoking but this is not about Farrah, yet you chose to dog her out PUBLICLY with personal shit none of us know. I certainly would not know about her NCNS.

LMAO...Touche my man. Touche.

No, it is not against policy to post an alert of this nature. My "no" in my original response was not meant to suggest doing so was against policy, but that it was pointless. I don't care if he blasts her all over the place.

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Ad infinitum? Sorry, couldn't resist

This is my business, and I can do whatever I want. If I don't want to see a client, I won't see them.

You bringing up something from over 2 1/2 years ago is hilarious though. I think the fact that I have 55 amazing reviews and am one of the top rated providers in Vegas is proof enough that whatever I'm doing is working.

It is factual. Yes there are posts about her and you are welcome to search for yourself.

So because she might have done this, makes it ok for this guy to follow providers? I think not. Thanks. FYI, if a guy lied during screening saying he was 140 lbs and a 200 lb. guy showed up, damn right she is under NO OBLIGATION TO SEE HIM. NOT because of his weight, but because HE LIED ABOUT IT. Just saying. That's like a guy going see a provider with the ole "No AA policy" and telling her he is white. He shows up, and that's not the case.

Yes, you can see whoever you want to. You are allowed to have racial preferences, but it's not right to not answer the door because you were not aware.
Don't you think it's creepy to look through the peephole but not answer your door?

Claimed to be 50 but was 80?
Said he was 140lbs but was 240lbs?
Said he was white but was black?

What I said was factual. Can you see the difference?

She didn't open the door because he was BLACK. That is piss poor behavior. She doesn't say no black men on her website, does she? She was deceptive, not him.

Not going to comment further on Farrah, being I do not know what she does in her business, nor is it any of mine.

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and see what she has to say?

Why would I let a stranger (who was over 150+ pounds more than me and probably a foot taller than me) into my home only to tell him that I don't want to see him and to go home? That would clearly upset him, and I have no clue how he would've reacted. It was easier for me to just call him a few minutes later, which I did. It wasn't a big deal 2 1/2 years ago, and it isn't a big deal today either.

It wasn't a big deal to YOU, nor are your NCNS's. They all had a difference of opinion the yours.

And I'm definitely over this conversation. Work is calling

Just saying.

While he was cleaning up Dr. Greef's office he just assumed that is the correct spelling of grief.

But the circumstances were different because she came highly recommended from a well-known monger and we all were going to be in the same town at the same time for a party to which we all were invited.  So I was confident I'd get my time.  And I did.  But, no, I wouldn't do what the OP did.  And this was the only time I gave an advance.

Well I read his post and if you read it carefully I dont really think it was stalkerish.   He said he saw her leave and then he decided to head home and then he ended up behind her friends car.  I took that to mean: the mall and his home were in the same general direction.  Just thought I would say my take on it.    
But I also highly doubt you could see where they went once they pulled into the parking lot.  Unless you followed them into it.  
And for all we know....her landlord has an office right there in the mall.  LOL.
And another discrepency.  It was said that no hobbyist is going to pay without having the appt first but then it is also said that if we(providers) were to screw the guy before we got paid and he ripped us off that  it would be said we should have expected that.  
My take on all this is that people will continue to do their bad behavior if there isnt any repercussions.  It bothers me to no end how people will overlook someones bad behavior over and over.  That is the true sign of ignorance ...to think you will be the one she doesnt screw over.  
I have had times where I offered free time, or got paid before and I have always made it right .  But I have integrity and alot of people do not.  I could do bad things to people alot of the time, and probably get away with it.  But I cant get away from myself and I wouldnt be able to feel good about me. ANd that in the end is what matters most.

Meh, I wouldn't get hung up on that particular bit. I've been renting for a couple of years, and sometimes I've had rent due mid-month, and sometimes they'd take cash without a receipt.

Better late than never baby.