So this is from the DC board but pertains to the entire US.

Ok, so I've seen reviews say they scored less b/c she checked the envelope.

I thought I was hallucinating, but then you see posts like the one linked saying the girl got the scores she got b/c she verified the envelop. Seriously?

What do the men of the General board think?

Thx lovelies! xoxoxoxo

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Reviewers can deduct points for what ever reason they see fit. Evidently this is an important part of the experience for this guy. Personally I don't need that much smoke blown up my ass.


What I'd like to know is, why did this get you thinking?

For a lot of guys, the illusion of The Girl Friend Experience is really important.  They know it's a transaction but being reminded about it is a buzz kill.  The result is, the whole tone of the experience was diminished because she was too obvious about checking.  She could have suggested he "freshen up" and checked it while he was in the bathroom.
I can understand a girl wanting to check, especially with a new guy.  But most of the girls I've been with don't check.  They've done their homework and know they can trust me.  The girl I was with today noticed me put the envelope down but never looked at it.  When we parted she thanked me for "the gift" but still didn't look.  If she had, it would have been only a mild disappointment and not a deal breaker.

check the envelope first......
does or doesn't [insert whatever].....................

I can't imagine someone caring so much, but I guess they do.
Thx bigvern for responding. It's just interesting. xoxoxoxo

-- Modified on 2/24/2013 7:33:29 PM

and that do not break the fantasy. I think excusing yourself to go to the ladies room is a great way to not create a mood killer effect on the ambiance, I also like to "freshen up" and wash my hands before I start any date for hygiene purposes. Most guys are really stellar and would leave the envelope in the bathroom so you don't have to ask. In my opinion it is best to leave "business out of the way" first so, both can enjoy the date, so having the "gift" ready and visible is just the way to go

I started a thread a few weeks ago about this topic. I have no idea how "trusting" the client to pay started in this biz. Its the only "business" in the world that acts this way. Now I am strictly referring to first time clients, not trusted repeat ones. Does The Plaza Hotel in NYC or the Beverly Hills Hotel in LA "trust" their clients? Um...no. They get a credit card as a back up.

Of course I would agree that there should be be some professionalism and that the money shouldnt be counted in view of the guy. As others have stated, the privacy of the bathroom works well for this. While the guy can score any way he chooses as it is his review, to gig the girl on making sure she gets paid is the height of pettiness, imo.

I tend to just place the envelope where she can see it and let her decide. From what I have read most seem to think either that we dont want them to look because it is rude or that it destroys the GFE illusion. Honestly I would have no issue handing cash to the lady I see and counting it with her. I am not living in denial about the fact that I am paying for time and honestly like to think I am helping the woman I see save toward her goals which she has shared with me. I would much rather know that it is out of the way and not on her mind at all for the rest of the session.

as has been discussed here ad nauseam. If a guy rates a woman down for counting the money, he is being petty, but if he rates her down and then states in the review that is why he did it, then I don't imagine it's doing much damage.

Any guy who sees a provider strictly on points is not too bright anyway.

As far as the pay before-or-after subject, I have two minds. I'd certainly rather pay after, and that is the way that most business is conducted on this planet, but I submit to the convention that we pay before, and always make it convenient for the provider by excusing MY self to the bathroom so she can count it without shattering my fragile illusion that she really is in love with me.

yes they want their fee upfront. lol

What gets me is being so absorbed that an escort couldn't check the envelop without it meaning she didn't appreciate him as a client.

I'm glad you get it and I like your reply. However, I've had a few "old" friends (not first time clients) make mistakes w/ the envelope and say "thx so much for counting the envelope b'c I counted wrong."



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But, unfortunately, the points scores do mean something.  I would agree they are terribly flawed but the fact remains a lot of guys use them, for better or for worse.  Just to rely on the raw scores instead of accounting for who the reviewer is and what's his history of scoring, is dumb.  But people do it anyway.  If we all were rocket scientists, well, we'd be rocket scientists.  Know what I mean?

just someone getting offended if I check them.

********** (side note: I don't usually check b/c I see regulars, but I found the OP comments funny b/c he got offended. This is a financial transaction after all.)  **********

Especially if it is a first time meeting someone i like to lay it down and excuse myself to wash up. That way they can check if they want but I do think it is very bad etiquette to do it in front of me and do not appreciate it.

And all this BS about breaking the GFE illusion cracks me up.  You are 60 yrs old and fat and bald, and she is 30 and georgeous - get real dude!  You go to an incall with an envelop full of cash, you leave without it.  There is no "illusion" to be broken!  If you don't know why you are doing that you are being "delusional".  Just get the business out of the way quickly and quietly, and if you don't want to see her count it, excuse your self or turn away.  Then, without any other distractions, enjoy your fantasy time.  Just don't pretend that you didn't know that is what it was.

As has been said many times and in many ways, businesses of all types verify payments.  Most people don't question that.  The only reason that someone would take offense at this is if they somehow feel that they are better than the person they are paying, and therefore beyond being questioned.  Bull.. .ahh..schiit!  The idea that someone would be offended, much less doc points on a review because the donation was checked is appalling to me.

Rant over.  Sorry!

It is just good business practice because the terms of the transaction are X dollars to rent the pussy for this much time.  

If a guy has an issue with that because it fucks up his fantasy, he needs to be reminded that he is paying for sex.

She didn't wipe my ass!! Whaa
She used baby wipes!! Whaa where is my hot towel?
She wanted her money first! Boo hoo
This is all becoming way too complicated to
call it fucking anymore.

IMO. When you walk through that door.
It's her money. It's up to her how, and when to collect it.

Yep we did. And you were involved in it WOW. Did you forget already?

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=573244&boardID=12&page=#573244


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"ad nauseam" just means that it has been discussed to death, and I was talking about the point score debate, not your OP regarding donation etiquette. I didn't intend any hostility; I've re-read my post, and I don't see any hostility, I'm sorry if you do.

NICKY, I love you, man, and you can disagree with me all you want, you won't change the way that I feel about you (but you are not getting my bud light... eh, sorry, they can't all be gems.)

I probably stated it more strongly than I should have (as I sometimes do). I shouldn't have said that point scores mean "nothing", I should have said that a guy who down-rates a girl because she counts the money is dumb, and another guy who down-rates a girl for a potential date because of it even though the text of the review clearly says that the score is lowered because of the counting is equally dumb.

And, IN those never ending scores debates that I have read, a LOT of guys claim that they only use the scores as a guideline or a starting point.

C'mon PS, that discussion took place almost three weeks ago. That's like three years in "discussion board memory retention time" (DBMRT) Hell, I can't even remember who I fucked three weeks ago without reading my reviews...

I don't want your Bud Light.  I hate Bud Light.  I don't even like beer, and Bud Light doesn't even qualify as beer.  Now if it's Vodka we're talking about.....

I don't use envolupes anymore.  I count out the correct donation (check a couple of times) and put a paper clip on it to keep it together.  I carry it in my key pocket so I can't possibly forget it.   With first time dates, I would not mind her verifying openly before going back into GFE character.  But it's often not necessary as I am careful to wash my hands & etc throughly.  "You want to put your fingers WHERE?"   I value the GFE experience highly & if I do my part, she can too.

Not always. I was shorted by a guy in Nashville, and had seen him 3 times. Has yet to make anything up to me. From what I understood, he ripped off 5 other girls in less than a month, then just disappeared. He even gave me a 9/10 review, and has yet to post another review of anyone since.

Especialy for the first visit - it shows she's careful and prudent, which probably holds true for other aspects of her life - less likely to get an STD, less likely to be careless with information, less likely to have needleslly left clues about her activities known to hotel staff or others.  Anyway, I too always like to excuse myself to use the bathroom and wash up, so I make it easy.  Practically, once your a repeat, I just lay the cash out on the table/desk.

because they are both fucking close to water.


ok, that's far enough off topic for me

I’ve made an honest mistake twice were I shorted the amount, for the lady it was a good thing they did count it. I felt like an ass. I would never give a lower score for a lady counting, it seems I can’t count sometimes.

Some jerks do that so, I wouldn't blame the provider..

In the grand scheme of things what does it matter? Some myth or unwritten rule gets busted or something.