I think the men just pretend the women are not at risk from arrest.
I tried to explain this too my "friend/hobbiest" the other day.
He goes on and on about a business model and how the same rules apply but what is the point of ( working soo hard)making all that money to have it confiscated?
Hello!! We don't have any rights,
only serious liabilities.
You guys have only potential civil losses not criminal.
The men act like everything is hunky dory and it isn't.
So chill, please.
There is a lot of pressure in this fictional world we are living in.

That's 100% false. We do face potential criminal charges. If we're arrested, we potentially lose everything: family and career.

The hobbyist who believes there aren't risk for the women is wrong but I am not really sure of the consfication laws of assets apply to a simple prostitution case.  In any case, for your friend refer to this article about a celebrated case.  Read this article and think about her and the DC Madam

For the client, arrest can be a true disaster for career and --if married-- family.  This is not to belittle the risk taken by the provider.

The whole thing remains offensive needing to be fixed by decriminalization.

true its all upside down and backwards thinking.
When bankers and invetsment firms can steal from all their clients, yes they go to jail sometimes..and his charecter is seen as flawed, but a woman who sells her time is seen as tainted. We are subject to a totally different set of morals and its just not right. I was just outed recently and I am pissed at how many ppl think who I spend time with is any of their business. Like my privacy has just become everyone elses business.I had one aquaintance even confront me on my morality recently. Unbelievable! As if she has any right to know my business or to judge me in any way.  I know drug dealers who are more respected than woman who do this for a living.
Its rediculous.
I am afraid by the time we ever get down to decriminalizing this all nationally, most of the Ladies here now will be long past retired. It's so out of control!!!
speaking of drug laws, they have decriminalized small amounts of refer in Mass reduced to a $100 fine yet they can still invade my privacy and lock me up for selling my time. Huh? Why doesn't this sound ass backwards to the rest of the world? This, "oldest profession" denied by society or not is Not going anywhere, its going to always be here, more ppl have been killed in the war on drugs, more ppls lives have been ruined with drug addictions and issues of such  than here playing in this world. Not to mention alcohol, thats killed more ppl than prostitution ever has. Its like I said, all assbackwards.

involved.  Yes, providers take risks in this fictional endeavor... but here is the kicker...  

What people tell themselves to be able to participate in the hobby varies... from the position of your friend "that the ladies are not in harms way" to the dude who leaves his hobby phone out for his wife to find (rationalizing it this way, "she won't look because she does not care what I do" - but she does!)  

And while you may believe that you have no rights, you do.  But mostly it is up to you (as with me) to defend your rights.... so let's recap your rights...

you have the right

to set your price for your time.
to set up a dummy business to account for your income.
to screen like the dickens every one you choose to see.
to associate with other ladies/or fiends to provide a fail safe mechanism in case you are endangered.
to not see folks you deem unworthy of your time.


but, it is up to you to enforce those rights... as to the rights upheld by the law...

you should not be physically abused. - period - ever, by anyone.

As to us, several have pointed out our risks as well, but we too have rights.  I may agree with you in that it is somewhat easier on men, but this is NOT because of the law, rather it is because of the enforcement of the law.

Do I know the risks?  you betcha...  and yes, there is a lot of pressure in the fictional world.

"The whole thing remains offensive needing to be fixed by decriminalization"

Decriminalization is simple solution that doesn’t address the complex realities of prostitution and will do real harm.  Legalization which is just decriminalization with regulations that addresses the complex realities of prostitution is what is needed.  Even the die hard zealots of decriminalization would want some regulation like zoning.

Well let's see, I could loose:

My Wife (she would take half or $3,500,000 of my worth with her)
My Family (three daughters that would not understand this hobby)
My Business (only 20+ years of my life invested there)
My Home (yes my wife will get that too)
My Freedom (soliciting is not legal)
My Friends (Their wife's will see to that)

Now that I've thought it out, your right, I don't really have that much to loose.  I could always just start my whole life over, so it's not that big a deal.

SHILO, maybe your fears are just a little one sided, don't you think!

them have regular jobs and families. They have kids in public schools. Some even attend church, and a large number are college students.

Yes, both sides have risks.  If the ladies had no risk, do you think they could get the rates that they earn?  The risk is part of the base for the rate.  I'm certainly NOT complaining about provider rates here.  Just know that the risk is always figured into the return or reward.

Granted, both have something to lose...HOWEVER when two people are caught (provider & client) the client is questioned and let go (more often than not))...the provider is hand-cuffed and taken down town. They want HER NOT HIM.

Let me go out on a limb here and try to understand maybe some of what Shilo was getting at by the whole fictional aspect. You do not have a website showing publicly what you do (visit escorts), nor do you have explicit reviews telling what some client did with you, stroke by stroke, position by position. Yes we all know the disclaimer says it fictional but that disclaimer is as useless as the one escorts have on their sites.

Escorts are targeted for their online ads (you want them graphic enough to know what could happen), their website content (you want to know the menu items) and reviews (you want to know what she does). None of this can explicitly convict her if caught BUT can place a nice little target on her forehead when the time comes for a sting. If she screens like a CIA operative and eludes LE, then she can breathe a small sigh of relief.

I feel that Shilo may have been eluding to the initial risk factor that escorts have. Now, if you are one of the many client that is let go...what do you have to worry about? I have never heard of an escort being let go with a warning not to see clients and the client hand-cuffed and taken down for soliciting ( high profile cases exempt due to obvious factors ).

so enjoy it while you have it. If the risk associated with the hobby is too much for you to deal with, don't hobby!

Look at Spitzer and and the New York madame . No one wants the guys.
It's how they make their cases on the women.

That's what i was trying to say.
a lot of discussions on this board about counting money and whatnot, they all pretend it is a legal transaction.
The guys will go on about making the  website ( for an illegal business) more professional.
Use "better pictures". Make a brand name for yourself, stop changing your name and number.
The MEN do not get arrested unless they are stung on the street.
They always do really stupid and overtly illegal things.
When LE catches a private encounter they always try to get thew guy to talk and they generally give over the girl and walk away with ZERO consequences, except a little worry.
The men have the comfort of knowing as long as they keep this up they are not in harms way.

Here in my southeast state I am constantly seeing both parties being arrested, even at the high dollar amounts.  I'm not sure where you live where hobbiest are being routinely let go but I would sure like to live there!  LOL!

this sounds terribly over dramatic .... otherwise sounds like a hell of a lot of risk just to get laid ... u sure u are thinking clearly and exercising good judgement?

I disagree that decriminalization would do real harm.  I could not more vehemently disagree.

Even these "die hard zealots of decriminalization" accept that if that were the case, we would likely see regulations quickly follow.  It does NOT mean that we "want some regulation like zoning."

; )

“Even these "die hard zealots of decriminalization" accept that if that were the case, we would likely see regulations quickly follow.”


How about legalization, decriminalization with regulation first, and removing regulation as we see they are not needed. I suspect some "die hard zealots of decriminalization" would opposed this because they rather us to leap before we look.

where are you?
pm me please