Saw this ad and found it funny. It says "RESPECTFUL CAUCASIAN GENTLEMEN AGE 30-50 ONLY"

I find it amusing how any one can be a "gentleman" if he panders to racial and age discrimination.

Also how can a "respectful" person tolerate disrepect for other races and age.

Have you ever tried a lady with racial preferences? I never have and never will.

You can rent it out to all the races, ages what have you....Till then shut the fuck up and let the girl see whomever she wants to or whomever she doesn't want to....

119 Reviews and you have learned shit!!

Cincy is smarter than you on that one !!!

Turn in your reviews brotha...

To answer your question directly, which I will do now, Yes..I don't care if she doesn't see blacks, whites, asians, or whatever race... If she sees me, I will gladly see her... If you don't want to that's fine....

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Every provider should be required to see any race and age? That is beyond stupid. It's her preference and taste. If you don't like it, move on (which you'll have to do anyway if you are Asian lol).

Personally, I only choose to see Caucasians, Asians and Latinas. Guess that makes me racist?

Beyond race, there are a million reasons for age preference...clients that are too young often don't know how to treat a provider and she might be turned off by a 75 year old guy. Deal with it.

seriosly you see who ever you want and so do we.

we turn down clients for personality reasons or lack of a personality.

this statement just shows how ignorant you are.

and to the other poster. Any legal business her as the right to refuse services to anyone.
this isnt McDonalds or DD this is personal
and yes when you have a pussy feel free to be forced to see anybody and evybody who can dial a phone. uggghhhh

this all goes back to you just cant have whatever you want in life. even in this realm somethings are beyond your reach. Now quit your whining and go away!

I don't know of any legal businesses, that are alowed to descriminate.

Once more with feeling:  In this most unusual of "businesses" ladies are committing themselves to the most intimate act short of child birth.  She's not hiring for the fire department,  she's not selling a house and she's not providing emergency medical care.  Given the unique nature of the service she can employ any and all preferences and biases she wishes. The moment anyone gets to decide for her what she gets to do with her body then guess what, she's no longer an escort she's a captive or worse a sex slave. Move on man.

I highly doubt you would pass on a hot piece of ass because she refused other races. You're just pissed that she refused YOUR race.


When will you guys learn that unless we have a damn pimp, we can do wtf we want to do, charge what we want to charge, and see who we want to see?

I see all races, I don't really care if she doesn't.

Most businesses are allowed to refuse service to anyone for any reason. You seem to be confusing employment requirements with this topic. No private business is legally required to do business with you. Not by a long shot.

Quite easy to discriminate...and most do.

For example...I don't take on stupid clients.  Easy enough to weed them out.

Good luck in proving that I discriminate.  Or any other employer in this country.

Are you above them somehow? Wouldn't that then make you a sexist? And a hypocrite?

I read that on the internet somewhere.

So until then you'll still have this type of thread going up.

Sorry  

Courts have already decided that individuals can pick whom they want as clients.

Well of course, because when you are a hooker, some expect you to do anyone and anything because afterall, we are the lowest of the low already lol. Some think that being a whore can't possibly equate to being selective about which c*ck you want in you. I can see his point about race and respect having nothing to do with the other, but it is what it is. Said lady, may have had one too many bad experiences with other races. Hell, I don't know.

She said she had been raped when she was a teenager. Ok, is that "fair" to black men TODAY that want to see her? No probably not, but do I undertstand her position? Of COURSE!

I see ads for black providers all the time that say that they won't see black men.  Go figure.  

If our president wants to go hobbying, he is going to have to say that he is half white or something in order to get in with those providers.

There are anti-discrimination laws pertaining to employment and housing.  So if you are an employer or landlord, you can't discriminate.  As far as I know, a prostitute does not fall into these categories, unless of course she wants to pay you an hourly wage for fucking her or something.

A business, and I believe the magic number of employees is 15, can not turn someone away based on race, religion, etc. Now, can they turn away a black man that isnt wearing shoes when they have a "must wear shoes" in the diner policy? Of course.

But if a business consistently refuses to serve blacks, someone is going to put those pieces together and they are just begging for the ACLU to step in or some local attorney to take that case.

No business wants that PR nightmare or the $ to defend that case. Its a lose/lose for them.

I see men of color some are my fav clients
but thats my CHOICE.

this is not like any other business you cant seperate it from personal choices.
we are sharing our bodies...
Noone has a right to tell us whom we can share them with and we dont owe an explanation to anyone about our choices. End of story.


It is hypocritical to try and put regulations on the ladies here while you prowl over reviews to figure out who you are interested in. I dont know how you cant see this.
Its NOT an equal oppertunity business it never will be its a business of choices.
suck it up and accept it.

I see only men over 40.

If your theory was true to form then what about sex discrimination would I also be forced to fuck women?
See how rediculous this sounds.

Any and all private businesses can discriminate all they want. Are you saying you think that if prostitution were legalized it would become classified as a public utility? On the one hand I find that to be a funny idea but on the other you KNOW that isn't going to happen. The fact is you can walk into Papa John's right now and they could tell you they don't want to sell you a pizza for any reason they want to. It would not be great for their PR if they said they didn't want to do it because of your race, but it would be legal.

As you can see, you are not getting much support here, even though you posted a smiley face.

Personally, I hate discrimination in all forms, and I believe that we, as a race (the "human" race) harbor far too much prejudice in our hearts to be considered "higher" beings.

Having said that, when you have seen (passionately kissed, licked their pussy, fucked them in every way they allow, and cuddled with them afterwards) at least one woman from every race that exists on the planet, every single age from the youngest legal provider to the oldest available (let's say in 5 year increments?) and every possible shape and size, from the emaciated to the grossly obese, and every religious belief and political viewpoint - and lets also throw in some ugly girls too, yes? Ugly people need to fuck, and shouldn't be discriminated against, so how about you pick a couple of nice girls with snaggleteeth, stringy hair, and bad acne?

You've got 119 reviews, so you probably have a half-dozen of these bases already covered. When you've completed this assignment and joined the ranks of the truly enlightened, drop us another line. We'll be anxiously awaiting your next 119 reviews.

What categorie does prostitution fall in?

It doesn't have much to do with the number of employees. It appears to be dependent on if the business is considered to be open to the general public or not.

So, my example of a pizza joint was a bad one. Apparently they are not supposed to be able to discriminate. But a private club, or any other company that is not open to the general public can. I think that a provider would qualify as a business not open to the general public myself.

Most can't but those not open to the general public can.

There would be a lawsuit if they refused to sell a paying customer a pizza.

I was under the impression that all public businesses could not discriminate based on race. They have to serve everyone.

Are all backpage posts open to the public

I've heard that claim before. I've also been told by several different black providers that a girl who won't see black men has a black pimp or boyfriend, period (their "period, not mine)

A girl was raped by a man, but still chooses to have p4p sex with men. She chooses to throw in the "black" and makes race the issue. So the trauma of being raped by a man does not keep her from having sex with men - but the trauma of being raped by a BLACK man is too much for her to bear, and she can not have sex with BLACK men.

If a woman chooses not to see black men, yellow men, short men, jewish men, old men, young men, or men who wear funny hats, they have that right and I support it. But let's not kid ourselves, she is racist. R-A-C-I-S-T. It means "one who attributes characteristics to an individual based on his or her race". Simple as that.

its stupid and its childish to not be able to see that preferences are in play here.

stop being a baby

The trauma of being raped can leave you with some pretty serious mental scars and most certainly one of them can be a fear of black men especially in an intimate situation if the rapist was a black man. Especially if you are a girl who was not raised around many black men and thus the incident stood out that much more.

Yes, some say no black men because they have a pimp who has that restriction. But that has no bearing on those with actual mental scars from a traumatic rape.

I am going to give a woman that is raped a LOT of leeway and if she has emotional and psychological trauma dealing with black men, as she clealy does, neither you nor nor anyone should question her about that. I will grant you some of the woman in the hobby probably do not see black men due to racism but to claim this gal I know is racist, without knowing her, is ignorant and extraordinarily unsympathetic to the incredible trauma she suffered.

How can she be a racist if she ONLY refuses to see them in the hobby? The pimp argument is retarded. I know many providers who don't see black men, are far from pimped. I run an agency where my girls are allowed to CHOOSE who they will see, yet I am a pimp by the technical definition because I take money for sexual services other women provide.

Yes, if you single out an entire race based on one event (rape included) I would have to agree with the racist perspective. The funny thing, is women raped by white men don't stop fkin white guys. It seems to be only other race related, when this happens.

What if this Woman was raped by a white man, and she still has sex with men, but only men who are not white, is she racist?

That was a racist joke.

Or talking to them? Or seeing them post? Wow, I'd LOVE to have your super human ability. I am not going to argue with you Vern.

I am going to give a woman who was raped the benefit of every doubt. But you'll pile on top of a victim, and victimize her AGAIN by calling her a racist. Good to know.

since you are ignoring word defentions.

I don't know what victims, Women, and rape have to do with what is racist.

On the rape argument, the mental effect can just be so unpredictable depending on several factors including age and exposure to black people. After all she could easily have been raised in a part of the country where there just werent any. It doesn't have to be racism at all.

On the pimp argument, I think he wasn't saying that pimps in general don't want you to be with black men, but I have heard that some pimps have that restriction because they don't want their girls to be possibly exposed to another pimp. Take that with a grain of salt, it is just what someone told me. No personal experience here.

On the subject of racism itself, it doesn't have to be that at all. I don't find black women at all sexually attractive. They are fine as people, but do nothing for me sexually. Maybe for some girls it is the same or even worse. Maybe rather then a black man just doing nothing for her she actually finds them to be a turn off sexually. I wouldn't consider that racism at all. I don't think racism has anything to do with who we find sexually attractive or repulsive.

Well said Ms Steele! I've been AWOL for awhile and it's nice to check in and see you posting. :>)

Are you saying that a white woman that is raped by a black man, and chooses not to see black men in the p4p world becuase of it, are racist? All of them? So the trauma of that event is bullshit in your eyes and can be nothing other than racisim? Thats what I took from your comments. I am sure you will set me straight if I have misconstrued you. lol

It's not clear cut racism with no outside factors that contribute, no...but yes, it is a form or racism if you look up the technical definition of it. If you "exclude an entire race based ONLY on the color of their skin," that is defined as racism. Sorry, but it just is. Let's use my father for example...

He is not an extreme racist in that he does not feel his being white entitles him to a better job than another race, but if his little girl ever brought home a black guy, he would not be happy about it. No trauma, just how he is, yet he still believes he is not a racist. I love my father, but have told him more than once, he is deluding himself and changing up the terms to support his views.

You are acting as if WE made up the definition of racism, and we did not. It is what it is.

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See how stupid that sounds? If you are going to say "I don't see black men because I am not attracted to them," you're saying that every other race is fkin Brad Pitt! Not the case. I am not attracted to more than half of the men I fk for money, and it has NOTHING to do with race lol. That's crazy! An athletic, toned, groomed, young, black man beats fkin a 400 lb. white guy with d*ck cheese, any day of the week, so I call bs on the "preference" or attraction card.

Trauma screws up our mind to determine what is right and wrong. It interferes with the normal brain function and yet you would hold my friend to that same standard for a woman that WASNT raped, that chose not to see black men? Thats ridic!

wonder how many white escorts won't see white men b/c their rapists were white. lol, won't happen b/c they'd go out of business, but most of their rapists are white and clients are white.

Black women, not white women, are actually more likely to be raped by black men.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&redir_esc=&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourcqe=android-browser-type&v=141400000&qsubts=1363628450336&q=more+likely+to+be+raped+by+someone+of+the+same+race


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race would kill their biz.

FIRST - everybody goes mental over the word "racist". I realize it has bad connotations, but the true meaning is as I stated above, attributing characteristics to a person based on their race. The belief that blacks are better basketball players than whites is a racist belief - even if there might be an argument that it is true. The belief that asians are bad drivers, jews are cheap, poles are dumb, blah, blah, blah - are all racist beliefs. And the fact that a black man raped a woman does not mean that black men are rapists.

My point above was that your friend was raped by a man, yet still chooses to have sex with men. Why has she chosen the fact that he is black to be the important or defining aspect of her trauma? That is a racist reaction. I'm sorry that it sounds I am insensitive to her trauma, nothing could be further from the truth, and perhaps I am stating my argument too coldly, but I do stand by my point. If you are mugged by a hispanic person and choose to make "hispanic" the important part of the incident, and decide to mistrust hispanic people - that is a racist reaction. If your house is broken into by white thugs, and you are tied up and terrorized, would you choose to make "white" the important part of the incident? Would you begin to mistrust white people?

When I say your friend is "racist" (or more accurately, I say her reaction to the trauma is racist) I don;t mean to call her names, insult her, say that she is evil or that she hates all black people because of what happened. I am only saying that she has chosen to make "black" the important part of her trauma.

And I also totally support her right to refuse to see black men, for ANY reason, she sure as fuck desn't have to explain herself to ME. But I still say it is a racist reaction.

You are expecting a woman, whose life will NEVER be the same, EVER, to make a logical, fact based decision when her whole mental faculties have been turned upside down. I will just give her the benefit of the doubt about it.

Let me give you an example in a different argument. Lets say you go to a zoo of some sort and they have that the keepers bring out live insects, animals, whatever so people can get a close up view.

A tarantula, a scorpion and a rattlesnack are all brought out by the handler. The tarantula gets away, scurries into the crowd and bits someone. That person then becomes scared to death of tarantula spiders. Makes sense right? But, by your logic, that person should be scared of ALL insects equally.

So no, I dont agree she should be afraid of all men equally.

Once again, I did not write the fkin definition, and "I" am not holding her to anything. I don't give a shit what the next person chooses to do, or whom they see...just call it what it is! If a white guy raped me, you honestly think I would swear off all white guys after that? That would be a NO!

119 reviews and you never ran into this before?

So report her to the civil rights commision. Im sure they'll help you.

Whats the big deal anyway? Why would you want to see someone who doesn't want to see you?

I guess we have been due for this thread. The dick size threads came back a few days ago.
Next: Shaved vs bush? implants or natural? Where should I cum? Choose one.

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You dont need Backpage. Of course the OP is in Chicago, so he doesnt need Backpage either.
However to make blanket statements about backpage is wrong. In some areas of the country backpage actually is the best place for ladies to advertise and the best place for men to look. In some cases its the only place

He is correct. The color of the guy's skin did not rape anyone...the fkin MAN did! His skin color has nothing to do with his actions...period! FYI, if I were raped by a man of ANY COLOR, being a hooker is the absolute last profession I would ever choose to be in.

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So na na na na na on you! lol

support it, there is nothing further to say. You are trying to say that because a person went through a traumatic ordeal, that gives them a pass to be a racist...it does NOT! How the fk do you think racism started? Good lord! It is pointless to try and debate with you because you have personal feelings invested in this case, so no problem.

A racist is a racist, regardless of what happens to them! I was robbed at gunpoint by a black guy a few years ago, and for a while I jumped every time I saw a black man under 25 because that was his age range. I did not however, relate that incident to ALL black men.

You are making excuses to justify a clear cut definition, and anyone can see that.

I am just saying an event like rape is enough and she shouldnt be branded a racist on top of it. You HAVE to know someone to make that determination. You cant come to that determination with out doing so for you are judging her then. EVERY woman, or guy for that matter, is, or should be a case by case basis and knee jerking racisim into the mix, with no other info about the person, is ignorant, imo. I'll let the lady have the last word if you wish.

Wrong... I private organization such as the VFW American Legions and Moose Lodeges are not legal allow to refuse membership to any person due to race. They can refuse membership if if you have a criminal record.

It is very possible that I am wrong. I am just going by what I read online. I have a feeling that those organizations can't refuse for some other reason though such as their charter or due to some sort of public funding. Not that I am saying they get public funding. Just a guess. You listed two examples that you seem to feel you know. But are you saying that the Black Panther's has to let anyone in that they want? Because I bet they don't there is a difference here, I am not quite invested enough to look into it. The root of it all is just that there is no legal reason a provider would have to see anyone she did not want to see no matter the reasoning even if providing were legal.

I'm not judging her, I don't "expect" her to do anything, and I'm not saying she "should" be scared of anything.

I'm saying that the act of pre-judging a person based on the color of their skin is racist, by DEFINITION. I believe that you are saying that she has a good reason to pre-judge black men, therefore she is not racist. I'm saying that the reasons don't matter. If a man robs a store to feed his starving family, my heart goes out to him. He is still a thief. The reasons don't change the definition.

If a woman is bit by a poisonous spider, she has good reason to be afraid of spiders. No, I am not saying she should be afraid of ladybugs as well. Why would I say that? Tarantulas and ladybugs are two entirely different things. In fact, spiders are not even insects, but we don't need to go into THAT argument here
Are you saying that black men and white men are two entirely different things, two different species? I'm saying that black men and white men are the same, except for some skin pigment.

But if she got bit by a tarantula with black fur, and decided to be afraid of tarantulas with black fur, but enjoyed cuddling with tarantulas with white fur, I'd say she was a spider-racist. And she's going to get bit again.

And finally, she was raped by a black man. Rapists come in all different colors, and all black men are not rapists. She has decided to be afraid of black men and cuddle with white men. That makes her a racist. No judgement, no belief that she is bad for believing what she believes or acting the way she does. but she is judging all black men for the actions of one black man.

As I never attempted to speak for you London. Or for any other provider for that matter. I only attempted to provide possible explanations. Why do you chose to take them as though I am attempting to set them as templates by which all providers operate? I never made that claim yet several times in this thread you have responded as though I did. Is this a sore subject for you or something?

To address your comment, there is a difference between finding someone attractive, not caring one way or the other, and finding someone repulsive. I have seen women here who will not see a man a second time they do not find to be attractive in some way. I have seen women post here or don't appear to care and will see anyone at all as long as they are somewhat clean. I have never made the claim or statement that you women are anything other then unique individuals. Why pretend otherwise?

read the last sentence of the OP

and read the last line of the OP.

You are just far to anally retentive when it comes to your "definitions" to back off on the subject. Just like you were a few weeks ago with your posts about your personal definition of the term "making love". You get these ideas in your head about what a word means and you can't get rid of them. You completely forget that context makes a difference and that definitions as laid out in some dictionary do not always cover every possible situation or use of a word.

Maybe the root of the issue is the negative connotation that the term racism has attached to it. Hey guess what? That connotation isn't part of it's "definition" but it is still there. Fancy that. How about we agree to use the term "racial preference" instead? Means the same thing in this context but without most of the negative connotation that "racism" holds with regard to feeling of superiority and inferiority. That work for you?

Clarence, bare with me here. He would only be a "thief" if a judge or jury found him guilty of theft. I dont think you would find a court to hand down that verdict, because....drum roll...lol...they would consider his "plight" and not find him guilty of being a thief. Similarly, I think one should consider my friends "plight" and not find her guilty of being a racist. And yes, she is judging all black men, because her sense of what is right and wrong has been severely damaged, because of her attack. Its not an excuse, its a fact.

I don't care WHAT a judge finds. He is a thief, because a thief by definition is a person who steals. I didn't say he ALLEGEDLY robbed a store. He robbed it. He is a thief. End of story.

You are still arguing about whether or not he had a reason to rob the store, and that reason justifies the robbery, and therefore he is not a thief. I already allowed that he DID have a reason to rob the store, and a damned good one. And I would hope that a compassionate judge would direct him to social services to get some food for his family and help him find a job rather than put him in jail. HE'S STILL A FUCKING THIEF - the justification does not change the act.

And it's not a matter of being GUILTY of being a racist. If you prejudge a person based on their race, you are a racist.

Why don't you post your definition of "racism" and "racist", maybe that will clarify things better than this "I know you are, but what am I?" debate

that 'could' be the reason for why some refuse to see black men...I am only extrapolating from what you've posted. If saying "I am not attracted to black men is the reason I would not see them," that's suggesting that I have to be attracted to a guy to take his money in the hobby, to which I call bs on!

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Ugh, whatever. Truth is always a bitch for some to handle. It is what IT is! I am not saying his friend does not get a pass here, but betcha the world disagrees. How do you think racism was started? Fkin duh. It was because one person of a race did something to another person, and that in turn caused them to hate the entire damn race! Classic examples, clear cut definitions, yet some want to mix words, split hairs, and justify it because of what happened to one person. I am not saying this girl does not have the right to say fk off to anyone or any color, but call it wtf it is! If a black man raped me and I refused to see all other black men because of it, guess what? I would say, "Yep, I am a racist because of what happened to me and fk you if you don't like it!"

And, are you seriously still hung up on that "I fell for a hooker" shit with your making love stuff? Good lord...that again, is what it is, though I will say that has more leeway. I will be right back. I will bring up the definition of "racism" and then we can justify why some people get a pass. Funny, abused kids never get a pass when they go out and repeat that same cycle of abuse.

If you want to EXCUSE someone's racist or better yet, prejudice, because of something that happened to them, I totally get that but don't try and change the definition of it!

Definition of PREJUDICE

1
: injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2
a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge
b : an instance of such judgment or opinion
c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics
See prejudice defined for English-language learners »
See prejudice defined for kids »
Examples of PREJUDICE

The organization fights against racial prejudice.
religious, racial, and sexual prejudices
We tend to make these kinds of decisions according to our own prejudices.
He has a prejudice against fast-food restaurants.





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Thank you! He should have left "his friend" out of this argument to begin with, because just like she is emotionally damaged from her tragic event, his emotions have blinded him to sheer FACTS that can't be disputed! Yes, the guy who robbed the store is a thief, as many of us would be doing the same thing. Does he get some compassion because of the reason why he did it? Of course, but at that time he was a damn thief! HE STOLE something! Makes no difference why! That's like saying I am not really a hooker because I am doing it to pay back fkin tuition money. Good lord!

I find it hilarious who offensive the word "racist" is to some, yet how do you think the damn race feels that you're stereotyping, as all being bad? Pathetic, and beyond ignorant! If I got raped by a black man in the hobby, would I stop seeing ALL black men? Nope. I would probably quit escorting though, and not have sex WITH ANY MAN for a very long time, because skin color is not what raped anyone...a man did.

You don't have to kill other races to be a damn racist! Some of you act like as long as you can sit on a bus with other races, you deserve a fkin medal, but behind the scenes you are bashing them. It's a bit infantile. If you have any view or preconceived notion about a race, and ONLY because of that race, you fall under being a racist or just being prejudice. WE are ALL prejudice in some way so I don't know why the terms are so damn offensive here. I would rather be called a racist, than a few other things.

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To me, without getting into all the details, racism is evil, pure and simple. My friend is damaged, not evil. Not evil in the least. The KKK is evil. Just because the issue at hand is "racial" doesnt make it "racist."

If she was racist, she would have a problem with black women and black children too, right? She doesnt! At all! Thats where in the case of my friend at least, I think your argument breaks down, thats all I am saying. I'll give you the last word, as I agree, we could do this all day and all night! lol

and your own lil' choochie, I'm surprise you haven't "hung" out an "Asian Men Only" sign! LOL!  But then you might have to see this guy!
And now....it's time for another Penis Size Thread!

If some asswipe sets someone on fire, and a bunch of people come rushing into a 7-11 and take out jugs of water to douse the fire and save the persons life WITHOUT paying, are they THIEFS TOO???? Thats fkin ridic! And this is my friend, not my mom of GF, I'm not so emotionally attached I cant see straight. Racists are evil! THIS GIRL ISNT EVIL LONDON. She's damaged. You dont see a diff, thats ur problem!!!!!!

You may be right. I am no expert. I think the Boy Scouts for example long held a policy not to have gays as they were recognized as a private group.

But  don't think we can apply the same rules to escort industry which has no legal standing in the US. It is the wild west with escorting

For a couple of reasons. First, the black woman and black children thing. That's a good point.

Also, now that we have our definitions out there, we can see that we really aren't disagreeing all that much. your definition of "racism" includes evil, and mine doesn't. You and I both agree that your friend is not evil. You and I both agree that she (probably) doesn't HATE black men, she just doesn't want to fuck them and again, it's probably more due to fear and trauma than racial issues. I still argue that using his color to make a decision about him is a form of racism.

However, I did a little more research, and there are many definitions of "racism" out there, and many of them do carry judgmental tones - the most common one I am seeing is (paraphrasing) "making a decision about a person based on their race ESPECIALLY as to convey the superiority of one race over the other".

So anyway. Let's go solve a different world issue. Do you think turning down a guy for a p4p date because his dick is too big is "Penisism"? because I am SICK and TIRED of being treated this way just because my dick is the size of a national monument...

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I would have to say that would be a false extrapolation as that is not what I said. I said I, myself, am not attracted to black women and you could extrapolate from that that I do not see them. You would be correct. I also said that a woman might chose not to see a black man if she found them to be a turn off. I didn't say if she was not attracted to them. Not attracted is a neutral state. Something that is a turn off is closer to being repulsed. I would think that someone as literal as yourself wouldn't have made that mistake...

Why exactly did you include a definition for the word prejudice? Racist and prejudice don't mean the same thing. You brought it up like they did. Sorry but the point stands. The words racist and racism both carry with them an added definition that you may not find in a dictionary but which is still there. It is a far more negative term then what can be used in this particular context. If you are stuck on using this word you would need to use a different form of the word then one of those 2. To further define the idea and help remove the negativity that is inherent in the word. That is why in my last post I suggested racial preference or even racial sexual preference. It makes the point clear that it is a preference based on race that has nothing to do with anything but your sexual preference. To then say that person is racist would be false as that word is more absolute in defining a person then the modified use I proposed is.

There is a huge difference in being prejudice and being racist! I admit that I am prejudiced to many different people and/or races for various reasons. I don't trust 'gang bangers' who wear their hats sideways and wear their belts at mid-thigh. Is that racism? No, because this example can occur with any race. But, you are damn skippy that it is a prejudice and I have no problem admitting it.

I am prejudiced against many blacks and mexicans because of some bad experiences I have had in dealing with them. I have no interest in seeing a black provider because in most cases I am simply not attracted to black women.

Do these things make me racist? NO!! A person who is racist would think that (in my example) blacks, mexicans, and gang-bangers are basically a lower form of life that simply can't be trusted in any circumstance. I don't feel that way at all BUT, I often do feel that they are more likely to need to prove that trust with me.

Many ladies have a 35, and over rule.
It is a not a problem for me. (I'm 33)
I'll just find a girl who doesn't.

I have run into situations where I really wanted to see her, but that fucking 35/over disclaimer is there.
Know what I do??
I ask.... Politely.
So far I have only been turned down once.
It never hurts to ask.
Worst thing that can happen is they get pissed at you for asking a question that is stated in the site.
Girls like that, you don't want to see anyway.

Did you ever think that maybe a girl doesn't want Asian guys because of the accent?
And as soon as she hears your voice, she is okay with seeing you?
I live in a melting pot, and it's true that many asian people speak very broken English.
That isn't racist. It is a fact.
It is because most Eastern languages are so different from latin derived language.
It isn't a matter of intelligence. I tried to learn Korean from my friends.. Yea.. No..

But I can imagine an older Asian man getting very upset with a provider who doesn't understand him.
Also the whole Geisha thing isn't every providers cup of tea. Understandably so.
I see all sorts of bad situations there.

You can also tell if you should ask questions by the feel of her web site..
Some sites are worded in a strict way. Others are more friendly.
If I don't fit the bill for a girl with a strict site, I move on without asking.
It's hard to explain.. But I just get a good vibe about certain writing styles/pics that tells me it's okay to ask questions.

BTW.. Never saw a BP add I would call. Period.

I want to know how you make sure that never happens?  I'm pretty sure you don't come close to knowing everyone who has fucked the girls you see.   You might think you pick wisely but you ain't omniscient.

You are seriously splitting hairs and mixing words here, to the point that it is comical. The hobby is not about fkin men we are turned on by, or no provider would ever fake an orgasm bwahahhaa. She would also go BROKE!  Less than half the guys I see, are guys I would ever fk for free, so once again you're proving my point about turn ons, attraction, etc. being a bogus reason for not seeing a certain race. I know women who have said, "I don't like black men, but I would fk____insert hot, celebrity black guy." That's all I am saying, and I don't want to argue with you about what YOU find attractive.

You are a paying client who can decide what to pay for, and you pay for what you are attracted to. Most providers, will take money from many men who they are turned off by or not attracted to, as long as they are gentlemen, respectful,  shows up clean, on time, and with that damn envelope. If you say you won't see a certain race because you are "turned off by them," you are basically saying that every guy who pays you has to be one that turns you on, and I call bs!

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example, here! I don't care what you want to call it (racism, prejudice, or discrimination), but all are forms of the avoidance of a certain race based on what ONE person did!!! How can you not see that shit? You are pulling out every fallacy in the book, now with the Apples and Oranges comparisons.


So, in your mind a person is only racist if they go out and burn crosses and kill people? How fkin retarded! It can be something as minor as not serving someone at a gas station, because of skin color. You act as if racists are all evil, and they are not.

Many are just fkin ignorant, and this thread proves it! I have friends who have been through hell and back as well, but I don't introduce them into a thread about a SUBJECT, then get all pissy. when their actions apply to the definition. I would NEVER toss the racism card when someone has been through such and ordeal, and I did not. YOU brought her and her situation up for discussion, when no one was discussing that. We were only talking about racism!

I don't care who wants to see who and for how much...never have. I will do what I want to do, and take all the jabs that come my way for my own life choices. I have no desire to put down anyone, but I can fkin read at least!

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I won't justify it either. I can flat out say I have certain prejudices, admit it, and not give a shit about anyone wanting to call me that, because I OWN IT!

Clarence, I never said I would not see your huge c*ck...I just won't fk it. A bitch can still buy you dinner and give you a blow job, can't she?

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I was "projecting" what so many here have in fact displayed about racism, yet want to justify it and make excuses for it. Please learn to read, if you're going to put words in my mouth. I talk enough, so I don't need the help. If you think because one black man on this planet robbed you, that they all will...you're showing a form of racism...same with any other action that only ONE PERSON did to you!!! Oh, and FYI most racism and prejudice stems from what? FEAR!

I never said that anyone was a total or extreme racist for exhibiting only ONE form of racism, but it's still a 'form' of racism, prejudice, or discrimination. Call it what you want, but I even used my own father as an example, so please learn to comprehend what I am writing. My dad is friends with black people, works with them, has bailed them out of jail, but if I ever wanted to marry a black guy, he would be seriously pissed off at nothing more than the skin color factor. So, he is in fact exhibiting a form of racism that most call prejudice.

Or, bigot might be a better word, but whatever. A 'form' of racism, is still a form of racism. I never said you had to be extreme to still have racist and prejudicial issues, did I? Nope, that's what Blue is saying by suggesting that if you are a racist, you are in the fkin KKK, evil to the core, which is so absurd. Some are, and some are not. Mild forms of racism certainly exist. I know many hard core racists who would never dream of hurting another person based on their skin color, but they also won't let their children play with them. They are still racists in some part.

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Get over it. Who gives a shit.
World is full of bigots nationalities discriminate amongst themselves.

You say I am splitting hairs, I say you keep saying I say things I don't say. I never said she has to be turned on to see a guy. yet again, here you are claiming I said something I didn't say. I said not be repulsed. Why do you insist on continuing to ignore what I actually say and instead put in what you want me to say? I never at all said that she wouldn't see someone she was indifferent to.

Why do you keep arguing over not only things I never said, but also a hypothetical situation? Maybe you need to read what I am typing a bit more closely. I think you are skimming or something. I can't explain how you keep missing what I type.

LOL you want me to learn to read and not put words in your mouth? That is all you keep doing to me in the branch above of this thread. I took the words right from your own post. You can't make your point without resorting to examples that are totally unrelated. You think being robbed is the same thing as being raped?

Sorry London but you are mistaken about your definition of racism. You can not separate racism from a sense of superiority. If you can then it isn't racism. There you go talking about hurting people, I never said anything about hurting people. Maybe, when you are able to have a discussion about racism as it relates to THIS topic and not every other topic you can think of you will see it doesn't apply here. That is afterall the only point I have been making. It doesn't apply HERE. Your examples of other situations do not help you with countering that argument.

Housing...you do not want certain people to move in you just raise the price and you will be assured that certain folks will never move in..there is always a way to discriminate within the law..

The women that I see in this business are almost exclusively Back Page advertisers. I have had a mix of mediocre and very good experiences. I have been active in this "hobby" for over ten years, and have been a member of this and another major board for about the same length of time. I can write a decent sentence, and have an IQ that easily qualifies me for MENSA (though I wouldn't join that pack of nerds for anything... uh.... no offense)

Admittedly, I have to aim at a lower price point as I do not make the kind of money that justifies spending 400/her and upward, but that is NOT the reason I use Back Page. Can you guess the real reason? You say that BP attracts a "certain customer clientele", so where does that place me, in your opinion?


I won't keep you in suspense I currently live in Lynchburg VA, and virtually the only reviewed providers in this area are the ones that I have reviewed. It is a minimum 2 hour drive for me to even find a small group of well-reviewed, EROS-advertising ladies, and more like a four hour drive to find much of a selection.
I have met a number of ladies in this area who are very attractive, nice, and sincere, and who would LIKE to be more "professional" than they are, but you might say that if they take out an EROS ad it will take them more than a month of dates to pay for it. Hobbyists are scarce, and classy ones are almost non-existent.

I'm currently trying to put together a small meet and greet to help 5 ladies that I know create some new business. It's like pulling teeth. Out of 25-30 guys who respond to the initial ad, only six so far are willing to screen and commit. One guy emailed me today in allcaps, lambasting me for asking for screening info and telling me that 50 dollars is ridiculous to attend the party. These girls don't screen because if they did, they wouldn't get a single client.

I may be digressing, but my point is that you have a typical NY attitude, and I'm not taking a shot, it's just that as a Massachusetts native, I have experienced firsthand and often the NY attitude that everything revolves around NY, and anything outside their experience is not worth knowing.

Shit, that's still not my point or intention. I'm trying to say that outside any major city, Backpage (or Craigslist, or Redbook, or the Boston Phoenix or whatever) id often the only show in town. If a girl doesn't advertise there, she won't work, and if a guy doesn't browse there, he won't get laid.

Neither here nor there, but I have a throbbing toothache right now, and I can't even face going back to read what I've written Gotta go.........

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I've spent the larger part of the day seeking definitions of racism, and they vary greatly.

They do not all talk about a sense of superiority - the urban dictionary, for instance, does not include that as a key point, but rather talks about the irrationality of the belief as being the most important thing - a provable point does not constitute racism.

So, it might be racist to say that blacks are better basketball players than whites. Racist. But to say that the NBA is dominated by black men would be provable and therefore not racist.

Truthfully, a lot of definitions DO talk about the inferiority/superiority issue, and I'm thinking now that my arguments probably better define a "prejudiced" person or attitude, as opposed to a "racist" one. Here is an interesting page from Random House that I found:
http://www.clarke.edu/media/files/Multicultural_Student_Services/definitionsofracism.pdf

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Racism, prejudice, or discrimination are all DIFFERENT things!!! She MIGHT be prejudiced but she ISNT a RACIST!!!! And your damn right I made it personal for I KNOW her, YOU dont and I know shes NOT a racist! You can say your dad is a racist but I cant b/c I never met the man. Likewise you CANT call my friend a racist since you dont know her! You dont get that?????? ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

And its good posting with you again! Its been awhile! But my point about BP, or Eros or anyplace that ladies advertise is meaningless to me. There are no "good" or "bad" places. There are only "good" or "bad" providers. We weed them out by using TER and the data base here. I dont trust ANY escort mall, not just BP. I check out every lady. If a guy wants to "shop" on BP, I have zero problem with it, IF he comes back her to make sures she's legit. Anyway, good to see you back! Blue.

I have no desire to get into a race debate but in my opinion it is her right to pick who she is intimate with.  Too many possibilities to determine why she has that rule and if she is willing to bend it for certain customers.  

P.S. - I looked over her website and did not see the same "RESPECTFUL CAUCASIAN GENTLEMEN AGE 30-50 ONLY" line there anywhere.  I may have overlooked it as I was not there long but found it odd the same rule was not posted.

If she were legally obligated to see you, what sort of session will you expect? How about "she just laid there" or "I should've stayed home"?  Or "all business" or "business-like"? You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. You'd be better off making out $7K check to Abyss Creations.

That's just not true. Small businesses can discriminate in mostly any way imaginable, but the moment you're talking about anything larger (iirc, 5 people or crossing state lines with assets, but don't quote me on those specifics), they cannot discriminate in a multitude of ways, including age, gender, race, and many others.

That's clearly not legal, as a multitude of court cases have established it, and a notice is posted in posted in literally every renting office in the country as required by the Fair Housing Act. When selling a home, you can discriminate, but you cannot sell it via a realtor - you have to sell it yourself, which is a major hurdle to "it happens all the time".

based on only ONE thing they have strong feelings about, but acting as if it's not still a "form" of racism is naive and even more, ignorant. You can be prejudice and discriminate against people without being racist, but not so much the other way around. By eliminating an entire race based only on their skin color for certain services, you are in fact discriminating. You don't have to 'say' anything, as ITAdmin. keeps trying to project.

Saying the hobby is about attraction or being intune, turned on, or whatever is an absolute bogus statement used to justify why some will not see certain races. How can you be "repulsed" by a EVERY black man, and not be repulsed by ANY white man? That is beyond retarded, and makes no sense. It is simply absurd to try and pass that off as a legitimate argument. You've not met every black man in the world to know beforehand, how you are going to feel when you do meet one you might find attractive.

I know several white men who have claimed to not be attracted to black women, but who would also fk Halle Berry or ____insert name there, in a heartbeat. I am not normally attracted to many races outside of my own, but to say there are not certain men in every race that I find attractive, is just a flat out lie. Shemar Moore comes to mind...he is hotter than probably most guys posting here, and he is black! So, by saying that, I guess I should not be fking any of the white guys who pay me, because I am not attracted to even half of them to that degree.

The very actions are what speak louder than words, so in a sense one is SAYING, I am afraid of you, I don't want to associate with you, or I am not "turned on by you" for whatever reason, BUT only because of your skin color or gender. If I choose not to have sex with Asian men, but I have nothing against their female counterparts and children, that still does not absolve me from exhibiting a prejudice for whatever reason. You don't have to think you are "better" than someone, to discriminate or have a prejudice. People have their own reasons for feeling the way they do, and I am certainly not trying to change their views. I am simply saying, it is what it is, and you may as well own your shit!

but I'm not really following what you are saying.

I understand that there are "major" players outside the big city. But they are few and far between in many smaller areas. Also, in the big city, the average guy makes a lot more money and has more disposable income than the average guy in Bumfuck Illinois - so while they may not be "major" players, they can better afford to pay 300/hr or more for an escort than the average working guy in Bumfuck making 20-30K per year.

The men in Bumfuck can decide to avoid BP or CL in their search for a provider, but if they then turn to a search on EROS, TER, Date-Check, P411 etc, they will find nothing. Or they will find an occasional and rare traveler who will not be back after her first visit because of the lack of men willing to pay her rate and submit to screening.

The women in Bumfuck can decide to try to elevate themselves by "marketing their brand", charging more for their service, and implementing strict screening requirements, and I hope they like crickets, because that's all they will hear. I absolutely agree that there are ways for a woman to elevate herself in Bumfuck, and that is what I am trying to help a few of them to do... but staying off backpage is not one of them. Back page is an advertising site, nothing more, and both the women and men who use it CORRECTLY have no problems. Only those who are rank amateurs, and those who truly are "low end" will end up with a low end experience.


Thanks for the good wishes. The motrin helped, but I cracked my damn molar, so I'm going to be in pain for a week Jaw pain is the worst!