OK I just need to know where I should go on TER
To find information about agencies blocking (honest)  
negative reviews on their providers?
Background: I had a terrible session last night with an  
agency that I used several several times over the last  5 yrs.
I immediately wrote a review AND sent a courtesy email to the
manager of the agency telling him a negative review was coming and why
He emailed me back saying that the provider had been suspended,
all of her dates had been either pulled or reassigned to other providers.  
I'm not sure if the provider was in fact suspended or they are just blowing
smoke up my ass. However, what concerns me the most is the 3rd line from his email:
"I wouldn't dream of asking you to alter your review.  
 Before I make any judgement, I do want to speak to her.
 But we also have a policy that a bad review gets you dropped."
I can be dropped as a client for writing a honest, but "bad" review?
Isn't that contrary to the whole point of TER reviews?
Specific information as to what to do is appreciated. Thanks

Sounds like he is blowing smoke . First he told you the provider was suspended. My guess is her picture was most likely pulled so that you cannot post a review ( hence a link to the person needed to post one ) or it will get rejected by TER.

Forward the agency owner's comment to TER. If the agency insists on interfering with TER's review process by threatening to ban you from seeing their providers, then TER might not look on this agency well and maybe that agency will be dropped from TER. You better have your ducks in a row before that bad review gets posted and you better have good justification for the bad review or you'll come out with egg on your face.

It's valid and factual. I expect to take a lot of shit from the TERHOLES, Whiteknights, and the TER Trolls, but I sat down a wrote the review immediately after the session. I stuck to the facts and avoided opinion. I finished at 3 am and sent off a courtesy email to the agency manager informing him that I wrote a negative review. I was told the provider had only good reviews, which didn't surprise me since the agency "drops" any client who posts a "bad" review. How accurate can the agency's reviews be with a policy like that?  

That's just the way it is, especially if your poor review goes against the grain.  Best advice:  Be a man and take it on the chin, dust yourself off, and keep moving forward.

You are advising that he simply cave into review fraud, and that makes your reviews completely suspect IMO.

To the OP,Robin gave good advice, contact admin, and if I were you, I would consider making a post on your regional board outing the agency, of course you won't ever be able to book with them again, but it looks like that ship has already sailed. Also be sure to back your allegation with facts, like copying them on the email from the agency with their 'good reviews only" policy

and CD, reread your post please. You are telling him to "be a man" but act like a pussy. Yours is the worst advice I have heard here in quite some time.

and when the leading SPOTY candidate gives better advice, maybe the WORST isn't such hyperbole after all.

OK, CD's advice was by far the WORST of this thread, happy now? lol

you're lucky the agency owner was stupid enough to reply as he did.  Now at least you can do something about it.  Had you not written him immediately, he'd have dropped you anyway and you'd only have found out the next time you tried to book there.

If they're involved in that kind of review manipulation, why would you want to continue to use them anyway? I'd say deuces and be on my merry way.

but on re-reading it I agree it's not what I'd do.  First of all, I don't take kindly to bullying.  It tends to make me want to push back.  This is especially true when the bully is stupid enough to give me exactly what I need to make him pay for it.

TER has nothing to do with the agency policies. You will have to negotiate whatever you have to with the agency itself.  

You won't be helping anyone if you cave in and write a false review. I don't think you would feel good about yourself if you did. Just post the honest review and find a different agency if they blacklist you. Why anyone would frequent a business that does this to its clients is beyond me.

...don't capitulate to the agency. If you can't use the agency again it's probably a blessing, but my guess is that no matter what the outcome, they'll be willing to do business with you in a few months.

I would MUCH rather be Walter Matthau or even Jack Klugman that either Jack Lemmon or Tony fucking Randall, Tony Randall was positively pathetic in the TV role.

and if I were to get married again, It would be to someone MUCH hotter than Lyle's wife. lol

Of course, actually I am gay. I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

Was that by choice, or simply good fortune? lol

and yes, I have MANY Oscar tendencies. Could you ever imagine Felix whore mongering down in Costa Rica, Colombia et al?

I guess while I am in a good mood, we can say that Inicky is at least the Jack Lemmon Felix, not the pathetic Tony Randall version.

Take today for example, I am in the US, not a tica in sight and I am still in a good mood. AND I didn't even get laid yesterday, or so far today. notice I said "so far" Right now my biggest decision for the day is whether to have Korean, Thai, or good old fashioned American for brunch, and you know I am not talking about food. lol

Costa Rica is great, but you can get a very large variety right here at home. A man cannot live on a straight diet of ticas anymore than you could enjoy having lobster every single day of the week. lol

If he wasn't gay he was certainly the most effeminate heterosexual I've ever seen.  
Actually, GaG reminds me of this guy....

and I expect that she answers to that name, just like I answer to "whore mongering pig" lol

It does sound like this agency is trying to game the system, and I firmly believe that you are doing the right thing by exposing them.

Now, assuming that you are certain that you didn't misread the email as Hotplants has suggested (a possibility that I seriously doubt, but possible), I would further suggest you go the extra step and start naming names. This is probably not the place to do it, but your regional board. It would not surprise me if they did this to you, they've done it to others and others make take courage from your post and come forward to back you up.

A "We only allow positive reviews" policy is review fraud IMO, and you will be doing your fellow mongers a huge solid by outing these guys.

It doesn’t look like you’ve shared the entire email. And, maybe something in the whole of it convinces you that the agency means to drop you as a client. But, reading only what you shared it seems equally possible (and makes more sense) that the agency has a policy of dropping providers who get a negative review.  

I don't mean throwing Chinese stars or swinging swords and killing the owner,  I literally mean taking good care of the owner until he or she reaches puberty, graduates from college, and becomes a more mature adult.  That's the way of the ninja!

Then I could not agree with you more, as long as it doesn't smell like lobster. lol

Thank you!

Or I could do it for you. Oh wait, I think I just did. lol

As I said earlier, the WORST advice that you've been given so far. I am waiting for him to tell you that it was YOUR fault that you got lousy service next.

Just in case anyone thinks I am not being clear about my opinion on this "HEY CD, grow a pair, or STFU!!!"

I think that should clear matters up, don't you? lol What a fucking pussy

The girls at the Blue Marlin bar, Hotel Del Rey.
Pura Vida, peras!

This made no sense until your astute comment HP. I went back and re-read and I agree with you based on the quote that was shared.  Could this be one of those 'oops, never mind' deals?

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You Clazy

The pickings are even better at the Cocal in Jaco.

I know I'm gonna get "blowback" the agency said she's been "suspended" and removed from their site, her p411 page was taken down, and her dates have all been cancelled. I initially thought, he's tough, but a provider friend said it was probably all BS. She's conveniently been pulled from the agency pages so TER won't approve the review because she's no longer named of their web page. She comes back in 4 weeks and I'm thinking I'll be told by TER that it's too late to submit a review, but some other client will be screwed by then. Meanwhile, I get dropped as a client (after 5 years) for writing an HONEST, but negative review. I appreciate a heads up from other hobbyists, but at times I wonder if TER reviews are nothing more than fluff and masturbation material.
 I really don't understand TER's logic. The provider HAS reviews posted already so it's not like she's an unknown provider.

but if he's already posted a neg review---and if it included this bit about the agency 'telling him they would drop him for writing a bad review', it could also be a provider out of work and an agency owner publicly fighting a negative, incorrect assumption

Right about lobster, however I do at times enjoy a box lunch.

I get over to the Carolina board from time to time, this might be a good time to see what kind of White Knights come crawling out of the woodwork, or more optimistically how many fellow mongers have had similar experiences to yours and didn't have the balls to speak up.

Either way, I will stay tuned. good luck.

No it's "you" as in me, the client that is dropped. That's pretty clear.
The email is long and contains information that would be foolish to post on a public board. So I posted the relevant parts as supporting material for my statement.
I expected the Monday morning quarterbacks of TER to demand proof, but I've shared what I felt was important and that's ALL.

Frankly Scarlet .... I don't give a damn!

This certainly isn't the first agency that tried to strongarm their clients into posting only positive reviews of their girls. It is one of the few where the owner was foolish enough to leave enough evidence to get himself kicked off of here.

I am curious, just what part of this do you find hard to believe? To me the OP makes perfect sense and he seems rather clear as to what happened. You can choose to either believe him or not, but there is nothing in his OP that gives me the impression that he is not telling the truth.

I do agree with your suggestion that he "go forth" whether outing a manipulative agency constitutes "burning down the village" is more a matter of opinion.

No I didn't misread the email. In fact, it was a provider friend who caught it because it was buried after some other emails. She called my attention to it and cried "BULLSHIT!" on the suspension and convenient pulling of the provider's information from the agency page. Apparently I'm not the only one who thought 30 days was the maximum time to submit a review. I have no intention of ever using them again. It's just the BTW we drop you for writing negative reviews that has me pissed off and I WILL be posting on my local board, the Carolina board. Feel free to read, comment, and debate/demand answers as to what really happened that night, but I must warn all of you that I have zero f#@*s left after my experience and my replies may reflect that.

We are done, but I'm having a little trouble seeing myself saying, "Duces"  
Maybe "Duces Bitches!" would sound better ....
And yes, I'm just messing with you.

and yes I am right and you are wrong, neener neener. lol

So NOW that you know his real meaning, do you disagree with any of the good advice that he's been given? CrazyDiamond's limp wristed advice to suck it up and bend over like a man aside. Most of the rest of the advice was pretty universal in encouraging him to take action and not take this lying down.

s I said, there may be something in the whole of the communication that supports what you're saying. But, you have not posted the whole story, and are always at least two sides to every story. What you ACTUALLY POSTED  here does NOT make sense, or support what you're saying.  

I don't think I said that I ever said that TER had anything to do with agency policy and I'm sure some of the others would have jumped all over that mistake. I've talked about TER's policy on publishing reviews and the agency's policy on bad reviews, but the policies are NOT the same, but I see how that might have been confusing to you and I should have said TER's policy and the Agency's policy to prevent reader confusion. Thank you for pointing that out. I'll be more diligent in the future. And thanks for the tip on mentioning the agency's policy on bad reviews in my review. That's an excellent point and I didn't think of including it. However, the Carolina community should know that there may be repercussions for writing a bad review of the agency or it's providers . Therefore, the "all great" reviews that they do have may, or may not be honest.

Which wouldn't be a bad thing in IMO, I would imagine that even the more mundane CR women can be quite attractive

I asked a question as to whether he is certain that the comment about dropping 'someone' was actually directed at him as a client for writing a bad review---or if that was possibly a reference to the agency having a policy of dropping a provider who gets a bad review.  

That way the other side gets to air their side of the story and we the readers get to decide who sounds more credible after hearing both (or all three) sides of the story.

Where if you handled this privately with the agency owner, and not immediately gone defense con 5 with the bad review bomb, he probably would have made some accomodation in your favor.  Now you are likely on their DNS list for sure.  So much for a 5 year business relationship going up in smoke over one bad date.  D'oh!

I think this post since the use of the word "dropped" has been used. Constitutes the I've been dumped by an agency thread, therefore being dumped by agency would mean that you first had to fall for the agency.

So... the quote from Drew's op is "I wouldn't dream of asking you to alter your review.  Before I make any judgement, I do want to speak to her. But we also have a policy that a bad review gets you dropped."  

once the op clarified the potential ambiguity in who 'you' referred to, if he has the inclination and energy to not take this lying down, that is without a doubt a great idea.   Whatever happened to 'the customer's always right?'

MY thought is that before going off all half-cocked and making accusations that may, or may not be true, simply ASK the agency owner if he has a policy to drop clients for writing negative reviews.

There is a possibility that the email he sent to the owner said something like "Bla bla bla I had a terrible date with Suzy Hooker. I've already posted a bad review and I'll be flipping shit on the regional boards unless you give me a refund or a free session with another chick and bla bla bla..." And perhaps the owner retorted with something like "Well if that's true then she's fired but if you're going to post a shitty review AND put my business on blast if you don't get a freebie then you can go fuck yourself and bla bla bla..." It's also possible that the OP's email just said "Hey man, I just wanted to drop you a courtesy email to let you know that the review I just submitted of my date with Suzy Hooker is not particularly flattering. You run a great agency and I've had great experiences with your girls so I just wanted to give you a heads up about what went down so you aren't blindsided by the negative review. Love you, love your show, xoxo" while the owner's response may have been "MOTHERFUCKER BAD REVIEWS EQUAL DNS LISTS YOU STUPID ASSHOLE FUCK YOU AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON."

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I completely believe that HE believes the agency has threatened to drop him as a client if he writes a bad review. This would not only be a policy that deserves to be shared *if* it's true----it's a strategy that seems suicidal from a biz perspective; especially given the OP says he's been a client for 5 yrs. Who does something like this if they have any desire to stay in business?  

Hi CD

The bad news?  You're a putz.

It depends on where you are in CR.  The best looking girls are at the Cocal in Jaco.  If there are 100 girls there on a given night about 20 of them might be this hot.  At the Del Rey only about 10 would be.

Occam’s razor says that:  among competing hypotheses, the one with the FEWEST assumptions should be selected. Other, more complicated solutions may ultimately prove correct, but—in the absence of certainty—the fewer assumptions that are made, the better.

The OP has not provided enough information to draw a factual conclusion, one way or the other.  

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Hell, you may be correct and that your more complicated theory has more explanatory power than the simpler one. But, arguing that everyone misspoke and misunderstood is silly. Especially when the document is plain on its face.

And about 20 percent have butt implants.  Some are really cartoonish and look like you could put a table setting on them.

is your (incorrect) use of Occam's Razor---which you're still getting backwards BTW. Hey, you brought it up. And, frankly, had you not brought it up in your typically snarky, one-liner, kind of way.......

I have to agree about not knowing the whole story, but don't we then have to respond taking what the OP says at face value? The phrase, "If what you say is true," is an understood given in ANY response. Likewise, "IMO," is and understood given no matter how firmly a poster words his response.

While I will agree that a LOT of chicas have had boob jobs, your numbers aren't even close, not even if you narrowed it down to "putas" instead of Chicas, even then the numbers are no where near that high.

Do you really believe that in a country as poor as Costa Rica  half the women have had boob jobs, and a fifth have had butt implants?

Thanks for the advice. I knew posting here would result in a lot of useful tips that I would have never thought of on my own. In fact, I've printed out your comment and tried to thumb tack it to my laptop just so I won't forget any of it. Unfortunately, the thumb tack didn't work but I have several hammers and a bunch of nails in my garage that should work better, but I can't decide if I should use a nail or screw? Then there is the whole machine screw or wood screw choice. I'm thinking machine screw because the laptop is sorta a machine and it's certainly not wood! Only an idiot would buy a wooden laptop, but I guess I shouldn't judge because I've never seen a wooden laptop and it would be a lot easier to attach your suggestions to wood than the stuff that my laptop is made of. Thanks again for your comment! I really don't know what I would have done if I didn't have all of this great advice.

Huh? dropped, dumped, falling for first? I'm at a total loss as to what you are trying to saw here. It's possible that the big words are confusing me, but I can't be the only one.

Actually, I said I did go privately at first saying that a bad review was forthcoming. I think it's more important to inform the community of bad behavior than it is to continue a relationship with a business that delivers poor service. I don't use this, or any other, agency exclusively. I prefer independent ladies because I feel they provide better service and  act  as business owners rather than an employee. So the fact that I can't use this agency anymore is of little concern to me.

Freebie? WTF really? Um no you are wrong, but it was your "dearest friend" who pointed out the facts of the email AND called BULLSHT on the agency  tactics. I went to her for a qualified opinion because being fair and accurate are important to me even though I was pretty pissed off at the time. She said the community has a "right to know" about this and I agreed. She also told me that some people would get pissed off and I should be ready for that I posted here seeking information not to debate the facts. At one point it was suggested that the best way to deal with an unprofessional provider would be to,Have Tobi come down and let her know what time it is. I'll apologize for my, "Release the Krackin!" Comment at the time. I said it with the utmost respect and admiration. And it was pretty damn funny at the time ;(

I perceived a veiled threat in the response to the OP from the agency he was about to pan with a negative review.  His best bet is to walk away under those circumstances, and STFU.   Not all agencies are benign entities.

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But I do think about half the putas have had boob jobs, which are quite cheap down there.  If memory (or "mammary") serves, many of them go to Colombia to get them.

He's mentally challenged to a degree that can be stupefying. Here's a picture of him pondering his next post

You were presented with two hypotheses that fully explained a given phenomenon and wanted to choose between the two. Occam's Razor is a principle/heuristic (not the only one) that provides a method for deciding which to accept as "true". It says that the hypothesis/theory with the fewest assumptions ("simplest") is to be preferred. The underlying assumption being that nature is elegant or "parsimonious" and has instituted the cosmos in the most simple manner.... What did I miss?

The other way of looking at it is the "universal you" like, "if you jaywalk you will get hit by a car." Maybe some of the guys who wrote bad reviews were deemed more trouble to the agency than their business was worth. Others might write a bad review and the agency shrugs it off. Maybe they don't act on principle but simly react to situations as they arise.