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There is an important lesson for the ladies in the Caradine sadness
Dr. joe 32 Reviews 1358 reads
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I have a number of old and dear friends who were professional dommes.  I also had a friend who is a lawyer.  I used to give them medical advice and had a number as patients.  He would give legal advice when needed.  He strongly advised them to have all their clients sign informed consent before they did any sessions.  He pointed out that their clients could die either as a direct result of something they did or as a result of getting excited by what they did.  In either case, a signed consent would protect them from charges of manslaughter or worse.  Imagine Caradine was a client of yours and you provided the service he apparently wanted and he died in you presence.  Ouch.

Obviously, straight sex does not need a consent, it is when you get into things that could expose you to charges that you need to worry.  If a client dies while DATY, there is nothing suspicious there.  If he dies while tied up and being spanked leaving ligature marks, that could be a problem.

A`277 reads

When the story broke about him hanging and how he died the first thing I thought to myself was:

I feel bad for the provider....she is going to PRISON. No matter how that is explained or attemtped to be explained if he was with a provider (and he was with SOMEBODY...his hand were tied behind his back) someone is going to prison.

The entire denying air, hanging, and all that stuff....anything that will leave a permanent scar, cause a client to stop breathing or any of that is not an option for me at all....I would end up in the same boat as whomever Mr Caradine was with the night of his death.

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Dr. joe202 reads

think about a client who loves to be handcuffed when he has sex with you on him.  He gets excited, has coronary artery disease of which you and he are unaware, and experiences sudden death.  This is really not terrible risky behavior, but could put you in a terrible situation.  Most providers are not into BDSM, but the friends I had made a wonderful and --for them very satisfying-- living doing "severe scenes."  They were well educated and careful, but people do die during sex.  That's why my lawyer friend suggested they never do any scenes without a consent.  

It is clear from your web site, which incidentally is great and shows a very attractive you, that you aren't the type of lady to do risky stuff let alone the really screwy stuff my friends used to do.

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A`147 reads

I do some very very off the wall stuff that I really enjoy....but I did study and was taught by a seasoned sub.....not his Mistress.

Dishing out a heavy BDSM session is lots of fun....but there has to be a limit. Hanging a guest is DEFINATELY A LIMIT AND LINE TO NOT CROSS. Yeah I do have a consent form releasing me...and every site I am on for any liability if there are any issues. I also will have very detailed conversations with a perspective pet to see exactly where they are in the colorful life of fetishes, their pain tolerance, give them a safe word, and let them know my rules.......


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Dr. joe115 reads

It sounds like you have covered all the bases.

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BobbyTZ157 reads

Assuming a provider was involved, when he got in trouble, she could have helped him. When he died, she could have called -- even if unanimously -- to alert the hotel or the authorities. But to leave a human being dead and hanging in a hotel closet?  I have no sympathy for her.

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Dr. joe122 reads

Ladies seeing a clients who may, through no fault of the lady's, die.  Now with a consent signed, the lady could safely call for help, without it she is exposed to very serious charges.  So for everyone's protection, there should be a consent.

I would guess he was getting anoxic, which is the idea, and experienced sudden death.  The line is fine and can be crossed without warning. It is a dangerous business.  Some men have died while doing it themselves.  They set up so that as they climax they can free themselves, but it goes too far and they are helpless then dead.

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BobbyTZ96 reads

I understood what you were saying Dr. Joe and my question was directed at the provider.

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A`74 reads

Let me re-state my post....I FEEL SORRY FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED....I really really do. I did not mean to come off as an ass about the topic...I am never so full of myself I cannot be checked on my choice of words....my comment did not come off very well.

Especially his family.....I don't even want to imagine what they must be feeling. The loss of a loved one coupled with the mystery surrounding his death must be crushing about right now.

And if this was done in the company of a provider...yes she/he/them/they could have called someone....I don't want to imagine how she/he/them/they are feeling about right now...even if they did call they would still be on their way to prison.

And there's no need for an alias I am an adult and can dish it out and take it when I am wayyyyyyyy off and I was....thanks for the correction!!

"only a fool hates to be corrected".....My Momma


Humbly yours,


Allure`

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Lilninotchka66 reads

Hands tied behind the back does NOT mean somebody else had to be there. A person can definitely do that by themselves. Google self-bondage if you want some pointers on how.

Everything I've seen said he was, and had been, alone and so it was likely self-bondage.

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sweetnicole1111 reads

or a woman for that matter. Could have been another guy who knows or someone he just picked up in a bar. The whole situation is sad in the end and could have and should have been avoided.
Someone else most likely was involved and its a shame they chose not to help him in the end. Doesn't mean it was a provider though.

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upncummin52135 reads

No one knows that there was a provider with him.  The police say the door was locked from INSIDE!  Whoa...wait a minute...the wife...If he did himself in...she gets no insurance money!  So she and the family spokesperson step up and say...hold on..he's not suicidal...must have been foul play!!!  Now she is willing to take the public humiliation of another woman hanging him there with his nuts tied up too...a deviant???  His ex wife says he was!  Ok cool, we'll swallow our pride, take the embarrassment, and go with the sex story!  Wow,,this guy was 72...pretty kinky old guy!  But why did he need this kind of sex??? Wifey not putting out...OH OH...more humiliation comes out...No Prob...it's a BIG insurance policy...it will go away after a few years.  Poor damn "grasshopper".  Questions.......Did he bring his own yellow and black ropes, or did they come with the room? Did he tear apart the curtains to get the drawstrings to use?  Wifey will probably get billed for that!   Maybe the provider who could have been there, brought them!  Ya, that's the ticket!  She did it.
OK...I've decided...I'm going with the hooker theory too!   I just hope that was the MOST intense orgasm he ever had....beyond imagination... BEST EVER...because although it was meant to be the best.....................................................You can only do it ONCE  :-X

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Dr. joe102 reads

your post has so much to say, I feel like I'm being a jerk for nit picking, but most life insurance policies do pay off after suicide if it occurs after a specified waiting period (usually a year)after getting the policy

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belindabell74 reads

I thought it was 5 yrs.  And I was just going to make the same point, Dr Joe.

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GaGambler80 reads

but I would hope that after the career that David Carridine had, that an insurance policy would only be a minor part of his widow's inheritance.

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gds_juliette92 reads

Just FYI - Many Dommes I know do have a consent form.  *However* one cannot consent to assault -- at least in the state of California.  While the consent form may protect a Professional Dominatrix or Dom from civil suit by a client (or client's heirs), they are not necessarily a protection against criminal prosecution.  

I believe criminal negligence could also be a consideration if it were proved there was not an underlying medical condition.  I.e., heart attack while restrained might not be criminal negligence, where as leaving someone unattended while restrained and they strangle could be).

Domination is (or should be!) a highly skilled art.  Just a reminder that one should be sure one's practitioner has an excellent reputation!

PS: This made me giggle "Obviously, straight sex does not need a consent, it is when you get into things that could expose you to charges that you need to worry.  If a client dies while DATY, there is nothing suspicious there."
Not suspicious - except perhaps to his wife LOL




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Dr. joe67 reads

which, through no fault of anyone results in you death.  You ride on a roller coaster which runs perfectly and you have a heart attack due to nerunsuspected pre existing disease.  If you are tied up for a BDSM session and a poorly arranged restraint strangles you to death, that is one thing (and a consent does not absolve the one who arranged the restraint); if everything is done perfectly and you --like Nelson Rockerfeller and so many others die in the saddle-- die through no error on the part of you or your partner AND you put yourself in that position willingly, no one should be charged with anything.  The consent can be the key.

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