"I welded for years, did a damn good job, but I was also constantly sexually harrassed."

 Whats up with guys? Either they are actively seeking the ladies with sexual advance,or they are looking for bromance.
Is the art of socially withdrawn solitude
lost amongst men?

Pimping and hoeing are and have been glorified down through the years and while a huge stereotype in most cases, it's not always completely false, hence the questions and the assumptions. You say you love this and I hope that's true because the only person in the mirror that has to answer to your life is you. Fuck the creeps and fools that make assumptions about your character and what you do. Lastly, I think you would do better not to try to justify your choices to people. Just do what you do until your looks and sex appeal fade. It will, it does.

The choir... "singin' songs of praise and comfort" to devine creatures such as yourself.

My guess is there are a few forces that continue to perpetuate the stereotype.

Religious factions - there's whole lotta 'god-fearin' Christians' an like-minded folk who, intentionally or not, keep a narrow view of such things. It's hard to be open minded when your head is surrounded by packed sand.

Media portrayal - could be movies, books etc. It's amazing how we wrap our perspective of thing around stories we here when we have no personal experience to go by. All people tend to keep perspectives they have had all their lives, unless a personal experience shows them otherwise.

Dianne Sawyer - LOL! By that I mean, of course, new personalities. News is a great vehicle as a propoganda tool to shape others opinions to match yours. New personalities have followings and influence the same way a political or religious leader does.

With any of these three (as with any source of information) how many people really take the point of view of a skeptic-searching out the validity of claims, and putting them to the test-when they hear something from someone the tend to trust.

Oh, there is another one:

Pimps, streetwalkers, crackhos, trafficed girls, etc. etc. - They do exist in huge numbers. My experience is that many people in the hobby minimize their numbers, sometime to the point of almost denying a real problem exists.

I trust no statistic on the topic, since everyone who looks at the subject has a political or moral agenda to promote on both sides of the issue. But it's out there and it's a real and serious problem, I'm sad to say.

Personally, I have no problem with your point of view. If I did, I'd be one fucked up hobbyist.

Not that I'm not already. HA!



HalfHour

But INNOCENT??? That would be like calling me "sweet and even tempered" lol

I have always wondered why people assume that if you are a provider that you must have a pimp, no education, a drug problem, or that you must be forced to do it? What about women such as myself who have completed college, are independent, and are doing this because they love it.  I love my job because each client is different and no day is ever the same. Sure, the money kicks ass too but we all know that $ doesn't matter if you don't like what you do. I welded for years, did a damn good job, but I was also constantly sexually harrassed. When you are a woman in a job field made up mostly of men that's just the way it goes, but that doesn't make it okay.  If I'm going to be so 'admired' then why not get paid for it? Besides that, why work on a assembly line in hot clothes sweating your ass off when you can be out meeting new people and having fun. You only live once so enjoy it!

If you're gonna swim in the ocean, then you just have to do your best to avoid/ignore them.

I wish it could be different, but that's the world we live in.

I'm not sure who these "people" are that you reference; but I am used to meeting providers who are bright, well-educated and don't have drug problems.

But let me tell you what contributes to the impressions that you see: the postings of providers.

Many providers post (usually aliased) about how ugly, unattractive, un-layable, stupid, unclean, oafish etc. their clients are. They also post about how dangerous their job is.

It is very difficult to convince a man that you enjoy having sex with unclean, oafish and ugly men that you fear might try to harm you.

THAT is where the impression comes from that you "must" have no choice.

I know that if I had a choice, I sure wouldn't be having sex with unclean, oafish and ugly women in a dangerous environment as a way of putting food on my table -- so I project that.

BTW, MIG and TIG are great; and I dig babes who weld.

I am best at TIG because I am great with my hands. And you are so right, it does rock! But anyway, I feel your explanation and it does shed a lot of light; thanks. I no longer do escort so I do not provide 'full service', meaning that I do not have intercourse with my clients. However, I do provide 'release' in the 'ending' because it's not a true Erotic Massage without one. I provide an erotic body rub that is out of this world and I love doing it. My style of erotic massage is totally different from what you would normally find, and I love the fact that I provide my clients with a unique and genuine service. Not promoting myself; I'm just saying that I do truly love my job and that I am not alone in this.

and pure and need to be protected. No woman would ever CHOOSE to do this!

That's what's up! Play that again Sam! I think I'm really starting to like this board and all of you intelligent conversation having people.

I don't think that I'm trying to justify my choices, I am just having a conversation. I feel your reply, and it is a great one.

In fact I am a stickler for independence. I would be deeply disappointed in learning that one of my friends was involving a third party in her and my business. Even "just" a driver or scheduler is disturbing. Unauthorized communication of my information to a third party underlies my rare bad experiences in hobby life.

Some ladies become less functional late in career and need to get help to continue working. It's unattractive and to my mind, risky. Board train wrecks can be fun. Real life slow motion train wrecks are best avoided.

Um, yes we would! That's the whole point of this thread! Hello?

Posted By: sweetamanda

and pure and need to be protected. No woman would ever CHOOSE to do this!

Damn that was truly deep and very well put! Sometimes men really do surprise me. A tip of the hat to you fine sir!

LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!! You are some funny people on this board! I'm new to this Disscussion Board stuff but damn if it isn't fun!

Okay, see I am a very private person when it comes to my clients and I never thought of it your way. Unauthorized communication is really f***d up dude.

Who said anything about enjoying the sex.  I will only speak for myself but you can take it to the bank that many ladies during the course of a work week have sex with that they don't enjoy. Not because they can't but because we don't have the luxury of choosing our clients on the same level as we are chosen...fact and the nature of this business, therefore it is only logical that the percentage of unsatisfying sex is in our court. I blatantly understand this and don't care.

Yes I have seen ugly, unattractive clients...but that in no way makes it that I must have no choice...it is part of this business from our end. And the job can be dangerous if you don't take the necessary precautions...again nothing to do with "must" have no choice...it's the nature of the beast.

If you had said "some" providers I might understand but you grouped us all in the same sinkable boat. Just like saying hobbyists are assholes...not fair but if I had said some are...more believable and true.

And John..if we determined who we would see on their appearance just as you and all the other guys do, we'd go out of business in about a week..less for some. So that premise or example is silly. We screen to reduce the danger level and ask others to shower or leave.

unauthorized communication of my client status to a person or persons hostile to my interests both personal and business?

Play that again Sam!

Why do people assume that if you are a provider that you must have a pimp, no education, a drug problem, or that you must be forced to do it?

Human trafficking does exist. Some Ladies do have pimps. Some ladies that do this are on drugs. Some ladies are lacking in there education. Some ladies are forced to do this. These are the stories that get told on the news, made in to movies, and talked about in the office. These problems are real but they are not the only story in the hobby. But sad stories involving violence, force, human tragedy, and sex sell more than stories of just sex so most of the time the sad stories get told at the exclusion of the less sad ones. So people with no direct knowledge have little else to go on.

In addition everyone dealing with the issue of prostitution has a agenda. Most of those in the industry want it legalized in some form or anther and taint the information in favor of the hobby. But there are more groups that are apposed to prostitution than are in favor of it. And these groups ether intentionally or just by wearing blinders taint any and all information in the other direction. There is no untainted information to be had so many just go with the majorities point of view as it is easier than thinking and coming up with ones own opinion.

Anther factor is what some of the providers post and what some ladies put it their ads. I will use part of one of the OP ads as a example. I posted a link to her full ad below.

      "DON’T ANNOY THE DIVA!”

“QUESTION: “Can you put on some high heels, a garter belt, blah, blah, blah?”
ANSWER: Dude, I’m not your Thanksgivings Day turkey so no you cannot “dress” me any which way you want. I do wear very sexy lingerie but really what is the big deal when you’ll be face down for most of it?
QUESTION: "What exactly will you be wearing?" ANSWER: What exactly have you been smoking? It can't be the Mary Jane because even I like to take a few tokes from time to time and I don't recall it ever making me as clueless as it has made you! Lol because that was a good one (I really crack myself up sometimes)! Anyway, the answer is in the question before this one...lingerie! Seriously, you really need to put down the pipe and 'Just Say No' to whatever it is you're putting in it so that you can better pay attention.
QUESTION: “How much does this cost?”
ANSWER: Wow! So, what language are you reading my English in? It’s not in fine print fella’s! That answer is provided right next to the number you just dialed to ask me that very stupid question!”

When you read this part of her ad, and it goes on, it sounds like she dislikes her job. From her posts I don't think that is true but that is how it sounds. People reading it may think, "Wow, she hates her job. So she must not have much of a choice." I have read many posts and ads that talk about on how dangerous it is to be an escort, how unkempt there clients are, and other thing they don't like about there chosen profession. But with all the bad media on the subject one may be led to believe that these ladies feel trapped but in reality they are just venting about their job like everyone does from time to time.

Those are the reasons I can think of why some think the way they do. Now I will read what others have posted. Sorry, this post is so long.

...but I digress.

Innocence, wow. Was there ever a time...? I can roleplay the part, however

"Hello?"

And a tip of the hat to you my fine lady. Damn I hope people are getting this stuff! Way to display brains as well as beauty girlfriend. I am clapping for you right now; you can't hear me but I am clapping!

I said "Many providers post (usually aliased) ..."

Many doesn't mean all or even most. It just means ... many.

The point is that some emphasize the deficiencies of their client base to a sufficient degree that, yeah, it has me wondering why they are doing what they are doing because the job sounds downright unpleasant. More unpleasant than a regular job. And let's face it, because of the complexities that have been introduced into the idea of "consent" (for examples, check any college's guidelines on what "date rape" is), when providers make it sound sufficiently unpleasant -- it comes close enough that a reasonable man acting prudently would consider they would only do it under some form of duress.

Of course, all jobs are somewhat unpleasant sometimes. If they were all wine and roses, they wouldn't be called jobs and it would be hard to get paid!  (*grin*)

So I understand, way better than may be obvious, why the sex per-se might not always be enjoyable -- even with men built like Fabio, smarter than Einstein, super-nice, big tippers and super-clean to boot. (Please see my posts on why at least 2/3rds of providers don't really enjoy daty for examples of why ...  based upon behavioral genetics and evolutionary psychology.)

So the mere fact it might not always be enjoyable doesn't bother me much because there's nothing I can do about it without re-writing the female genome. (Though having had interrogation training I can read your limbic system pretty well and distinguish actresses from genuine reactions.) All I can realistically do is be as close to ideal as a hobbyist as practicable and provide other aspects of a session that I can be reasonably sure the provider *will* enjoy via my selection process.

And ... speaking of my selection process; mine is ass backwards compared to what you expressed. You have no way of knowing me, but if you did, you'd know that while I am susceptible to physical female beauty, it isn't one of my selection criteria except in the most extreme of cases. (Think of a woman who looks like Ronald Reagan or something.)

I am an unusual hobbyist and really unsuitable, IMHO, for most providers; so my selection criteria emphasize that suitability. I don't see many providers -- a whopping 10 in 4.5 years, with only one new provider so far this year. As you can probably guess, the overwhelming preponderance of my hobbying has more closely approximated serial monogamy than bed-hopping. When you are selecting someone for compatibility for the longer term, the importance of a woman's various attributes is a bit different than if you are selecting someone for wham-bam-thank-you-Ma'am.

She's a smart and sassy lady.

She and I don't always agree on stuff, but she has it together if you know what I mean.

just being cute in a very interesting way. I'll play it straight as your asking me to rephrase.

Your gig seems to be about not taking crap from nasty stupid hobby guys.

OTOH hobby guys, nasty and nice, stupid and clever get crap from providers. This includes but is not limited to: being outed (to LE, spouses, business competition, employers), getting threatened or injured (by "3rd parties" and or pimps or "drivers"), totally unnecessary drama, etc., and the walking ATM syndrome. There are (thankfully few) ladies who pull this stuff and I hope thankfully few hobbyists who "ask for it". The ladies and hobbyists it seems good to avoid are "all about themselves", not P4P so much but predators, exploiters.

Given the fact that your gig seems all "one way" it is likely to give the impression that you _might_ be like that. Are you strictly focussed on profit and damn the consequences? Do you care what sort of experience your clients have?

Now I've often said that one can't KNOW MUCH from an internet discussion board. Or your now famous ad for that matter. But one gets an impression. I do not get the impression that you value your clientele. I could be wrong, but there it is. I'm just giving my impressions unfiltered.


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I am so happy you honor me by following me around and posting your nonsense. If I bother you so much, why read "my crap." I know, you can't help yourself.

Never mind I do not want to see know it alls with no reviews.  Uuumm "fuck the creeps". You creep me out just reading your crap.

Just because I am straight forward, don't play games, and don't take any crap means that I don't value my clients? Really? You could not be more wrong. I not only value them but I appreciate them as well. There are thousands of providers that they could choose from and they picked me; that's an honor. That's why I pamper them and tend to them like a King. I don't know what the hell you've been reading but it couldn't be my ad.

I am telling you that I love my job. The only men that I don't like are the game players and bullshitters which is whom the "Don't Annoy The Diva" is intended for...them and only them. I want them to know to leave the games they like to play, and any crazy ideas, at home because I am not the one to be messed with. This is a dangerous games sometimes and we providers all know the risk. Anything I can do to stop the drama before it begins  will be done. The section was also written with humor to the most annoying questions that are most repeatative. Trust me you too would get annoyed if you received 20 calls a day that asked "how much" and so on when all of the answers are right there in the frickin' ad! Instead of stressing it, I choose to make light of it. Make no mistake, I love men but I have no love for the games.
I know that some of you could say the same things about a few of the providers you've encountered too. I feel bad for you honest hobby men who respect us as the women we are only to be short changed or ripped off. All I'm saying is that I don't play games and I am straight forward so that you always know what's going on and what to expect and I don't think that it's too much to expect the same. "Keep it real or keep it moving". That's what's up!

And I do get asked how much on something plainly marked constantly. I get who it was attended for, but they generally aren't literate enough to read it. I used your add because it was your OP. I could have pulled an ad from my local area or posts on this very board to make my point. I was just pointing out when people hear people complain about their job people just assume they dislike their job. People then ask if they don't like their job why do they do it. Then see some cop drama about sex trafficking or pimped street walkers and draw certain conclusions.

I get these posts and ads are usually just the lady venting. Every job has its downside. And every one needs to vent from time to time. I own my own business and make great money but sometimes business is slow, my employees rob me, someone files a frivolous lawsuit, and I am always on call. I sometimes vent about this stuff and some would conclude I hate my job, which is not the case at all.

I understand the pressures you ladies are under. My wife is an escort, many of her friends are also escorts, and I have been studying from other sources about what you ladies go through. It in a lot of ways very comparable to what I go through in my job. The ladies in this business work very hard for their money.

I did not mean my post as an attack on you. Just giving you an honest answer to your post. Trying to "Keep it real" so to speak. I do believe you when you say, "I love my job." Why shouldn't I? My wife is a provider and she loves her job. I did not mean to offend, and I am sorry if I did. I was just stating things as I see them. I was just being straight forward about my opinion on the subject. I respect honesty in a lady and give her the same. I too dislike games and try not to play them.

Not only are you a true gentleman, but you are intelligent as well. No harm done and it was great getting your feedback. Thanks.

It is not every day a beautiful and intelligent lady calls me a true gentleman and intelligent. Thanks

Was talking to my cousin last night on a variety of topics, and the escort business came up. My cousin is 40ish and very smart, but simply could not grasp the concept that many escorts choose the business as a career path, like what they do, are professional and educated, and have the same kind of hectic and involved lives as other self-employed people. And although there are still many hard cases out there, the stereotype of the young, parentally-abused woman forced into drugs and prostitution as a means of survival is still pervasive in America, and since ignorance is equally pervasive, it's not gonna change anytime soon.

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