providers. What the fuck is that all about?
Hardly a thread goes by without certain providers bitching, moaning, and cackling on the boards. Have they figured that they aren't going to get any business anyway so they might as well make our lives as miserable as theirs?
They are obviously angry and bitter about the hobby and the men that they "have" to service. They act as if every post that doesn't extol the virtues of just being a provider is a slight on them.
Is anyone else sick of their incessant posting and bitching?
Do your usual and call me a troll because you don't like what I say, but there is truth in it. I'm not the only one saying it either.
If it aint fat, old, or ugly, it's a mangina!
check them out. I don't think it's about how ugly they are, but more about how angry and bitter they are.
They sure aren't doing themselves any favors marketing wise, but it doesn't seem like they care. Maybe they just don't have the business anyway and don't expect it.
Since when did TER become a haven for angry and bitter providers?
Fat, ugly, and broke and living with mama. Maybe that's why you woman hating assholes feel the need to constantly bash women on here and under an alias! (Shocker!) See how stupid assumptions are? Bc someone doesn't just smile and accept your woman hating abuse doesn't make them hags or "out of work". Maybe its YOU that's out if work since you have the time to do nothing but stir up shit.
Like the continual whining of jerkoffs on here that complain about weight and rates? Fucking please! Spare me and stfu.
may be jerkoffs and whiners.
As far as STFU, you should be the one. You came off exactly like the poster described.
Jerkoffs hang out jerkoffs like birds of the same flock flocking and fucking together.
ANY woman who has a mind of her own and speaks is up for the hag award according to this asshole. Get real. Its known that men here despise women that don't parrot and agree with everything they say. You don't go off on a tangent about providers being big mouthed and not respect a retort. And just so you know men that I see LOVE my attitude. See, all men aren't mysogonists and actually appreciate that we have minds. If that scares you and others like you then there you go. You aren't somebody I wanna see anyway. I'm not into woman haters.
Starting??? They've been sounding like that for years - you must be new to these boards.
You (and I) will now be accused of hating women and providers, and of being selfish and immature.
No worries, though. Not every provider has an attitude of entitlement. Spend your money on women who enjoy your company, or at least can tolerate it.
a saw a recent local board post about a provider complaining of cancelations, I had an experience with her trying to set up an appointment and was threatened with revenge if I cancelled, and other nasty things as well. So I cancelled with plenty of notice, no wonder she gets a lot of cancelations, she also tries to upsell prior to meeting.
what the fuck is wrong with you?
Entitled to what? To an opinion, another dumb ass speakin out I see.
As you are we are also "entitled" o voice our opinion.
Some of the Ladies here just let yall dump your dumbass comments and say nothing for fer of losing clients.
Ppl like you aren't good clients anyway so there's nothin to lose there.
You are women haters angry and think we are to just look pretty and shut up. Don't call you on your asshole posts. Well that's BS.
If you are in a relationship and your wife just nags then maybe just maybe she has something to nag about. It's that asshole factor.
Expecting to come on here spit anything ot u please right wrong or otherwise is horseshit. Being disrespectful to the Ladies is horse shit.
I'd say YOU are the one who has a screwed up sense of entitlement.
Having a dick does not mean you have a right to be a dick.
If you're such a strong woman, why the alias?
Because you know that your business will suffer if your true colors are known.
Your writing shows your "intelligence" as well.
I participate on Ter as a message board and less as a source of clients. Not all clients are Ter members and some of us see very few Ter members. I have asked the Gentlemen I see to not review me, I prefer to remain low key. I have my reasons and none of them have anything to do with business.
I have a stalker on this board, so I use an alias to keep from having to deal with that person.
I am not ashamed of my views have said many things others disagree with, I don't pretend to agree with someone for business sake, that's foolish. Like I said the ppl with drastic views of women I wouldn't see any way.
Aren't you also using an alias? And believe this or not, not everyone gets 100 percent of their clientele from here. Your attitude is disgusting. You're a hobbyist so that justifies verbal abuse of providers. Very telling.
Cheryl, please don't project your own lack of marketable skills onto other providers. This may be the only job you are capable of working, but the same is far from true for most of the women here. Most of the ladies here either do actually work other jobs while providing on the side, or have educations that would allow us to enter the workforce in some capacity that pays a little better than a Walmart greeter.
Who exactly was this post intended to score points with? Men scattered all around the country who you will never meet or see?
Here is a hint for you: The ladder you are trying to climb is a short one if you think the backs of your fellow providers are the proper rungs to use.
temerity to talk back to you.
Like you blowhards that call other hobbyists here "manginas" bc they won't join in your provider bashing? Whatever.
when you have racked up 10 pages of reviews, have a long list of regular friends to play with and access to the PO board, not still green here...come back n tell us how it is. Til then I am afraid your opinion of this business is not completely realistic. You have been in business such a short time. You'll see.
There are some women here who are great deal older than you and hotter than you by a long shot. They are excellent companions who have really successful careers on top of what they do here. Just because if you quit this business you'd be a greeter at Walmart that doesn't mean everyone else is as uneducated as you are.
You’ve managed to undermine other providers and, at the same time, draw down attention to yourself from, what many might deem to be, the least desirable clients out there.
Nicely done.
Way to kill your budding career girly.
chicks before dick, in case you havent heard of the saying.
now, let's educate you a little bit...
nah. never mind. Why waste my time and breath? You shall see my dear...in due time.
Think before you type perhaps. You may be young now...but you will age. Then, some 19 year old will say the same to you and you shall be quite upset.
Whoa dearie. You just lost major, major provider points with the other ladies...which one needs in order to truly succeed in this business. I wont be suprised if no one gives you the time of day now.
Tsk Tsk. Some have to learn the hard way. You seem to be one of them.
Good luck dearie.
issue, you take it as an attack on women instead of a complaint about the bitchiness of a number of the regular providers on the board.
You automatically want to circle the wagons and fend off this fiendish attack instead of really thinking about it.
The us against them mentality is exactly what comes across in the posts that I am talking about.
if you could provide some examples of providers "bitching, moaning, and cackling on the boards"
What is it, exactly. you feel they are "obviously angry and bitter about"?
Or, maybe, you could show us where a provider has complained about the men they "have to service"
Maybe this would help all of us understand where the problem is. I agree there is a bit of an 'us against them' mentality.
Why is that, do you suppose?
I have thought about this...and that is why i posted what i did...to the poster of the reply..not to you.
Chicks before dick simply means..who will really have her back when she needs someone? Will it be her clients...or the providers she forms business or personal relationships with? Siding with the wrong sort of guy (or girl) in this industry could screw her up...if she needs a reference from another provider on a potWho is going to give her tips on locations? Who can keep her in the loop about what is going on? The very providers her statement slammed...not her 2pm appt.
I responded to HER reply, not to your thread. (but it was housed in your thread..blah blah) Notice where I placed my reply.
If you want to control how your thread reads...then you should have put in your OP how we are to reply to this thread.
I saw the post by the young lady as nieve...and it could come back and bite her in the ass later on..or sooner. I dont like to see that for anyone.
Why are you on my balls?? LOL. Get off them please. Thanks. I typically remain neutral..which is why i replied to the individual replies made by others.
My reply was not an us against them, but a..hold up a second and realize what you are doing type thing.
Thanks!!! Have a great evening!
I am a diplomatic person. Thats the aquarias in me. Also a Tiger in chinese astrology. So, I see lots of ladies got offended by this statement. But why? Honestly why? She did not address it to every single provider or name anyone. Sure, it was rude but really.... Ive read plenty of rude provider comments also. She is brand new here. I am sure that most of her associations have been with clients. Before we go attacking her for stabbing providers in the back, why dont we try to befriend her, explain things nicely to her, tell her how we give each other warnings and advice and that is the reason why we try to stick together? If she is new here, then she most likely hasnt met any ladies or had anyone reach out a friendly hand to her. Before we scold her for thinking what she does, we should consider this "which one of us ladies has tried to reach out and say hello? or explain things to her?" Does this make sense? Im just saying that in her reality, men have been the ones who have been friendly to her, so she would automatically back them up on what they say. We cant blame her for this. If more providers would try being friendly to her, she would most likely also back ladies up also. I just try to look at it from all angles. I was not offended by what she said at all, tho I am a provider. I automatically thought that either she has had some bad experiences so far with women, or that she hasnt had anyone be friendly to her yet.
That may be Cheryl's only skill set, which would explain why she thinks all providers are as unskilled and uneducated as herself. That is not the case for most of the women I know on this board however. So why would I want to be friends with a lady who clearly thinks so little of herself, and of providers in general?
I have gone out of my way on too many ocassions to count to help out other ladies. I participate as much or more on the Newbie board as I do this one. Any provider that tours KC gets an e-mail from me before they arrive giving them helpful information about the best places to stay, locations of entertainment, and any other information they might find useful.
But why would I help or want the friendship of a lady who looks down her nose at the very profession she has chosen to take up? Talk about cognitive dissonance. If she thinks she knows so much, she's welcome to sink or swim on her own.
"so they might as well make our lives as miserable as theirs?"
Poor thing! You sure are made miserable easily. No wonder you are afraid of women who speak their minds.
You have no answer other than to re-characterize my post.
Typical.
calling me names like panty waste, behind an alias. Oh, I know, I know, you have a legitimate reason for doing so in your own mind. Everyone else gets it though, and you're looking pretty stupid.
Just because we are whores doesn't mean we have to stand for being treated like one. We still have a voice and the right to demand to be treated as people and not blow up dolls.
You knew you were a troll when you posted this, and trying to title your sentiment as "The Truth" is just hiding your own insecurities and the fact that you don't like women in general and coming out just wont work in your world.
You may like to fuck women but you don't like them, this is apparent as soon as a woman shares her opinion you brush it off as Angy and she must not like men.
I love men and show my appreciation for them every day, but this will not stop me from speaking out when something. Should We keep some of our opinions to ourselves yes, I refrain from any and all political and religious conversations.
Just because you think we depend on you and your money does not give you or any other man that thinks what you say is the truth, the right to disregard us in any way.
If a man treats the ladies like queens then they will be treated as Kings. But with your post and some of the general consensus in your thoughts, is it any wonder you are always encountering the "Bitchy" in women? Maybe it is just you and you are getting what you give, maybe that is something for the men to think about.
Have a great day,
Karrie-
DARE to question the bitchy posts on the boards.
Acting like a regal, let them eat cake, too good for you, holier than thou, QUEEN is not the way to be treated like one.
so because I turned you into a misogynist based on your posting your opinion. You want to turn all Providers into angry Bitches because they state theirs?
So what gives here? Are you the only one allowed to speak the truth? Or in theirs case Your Opinion.
If the people here would stop being such asses maybe you would see more pleasant attitudes from the ladies.
every opinion you didn't approve of swinging your way, she is a bitch.
what does that say...sounds like the opinions you don't like put a poor light on the Lady who has it.
Yet YOUR opinion is not a nasty one, but the truth. We should all just accept it as law.
I use the discussion boards to decide with whom I will get along and whom I won't. One can determine a lot about personality by the way they react to a situation.
A great tool and the entertainment value is priceless.
Bitch,moan or a cackle? 
If you can't follow suit then go away.lol 
Not that there is anything with a little drama and amusement.
However, when the same old providers show their true colors time and time again they really do shoot themselves in the foot.
Many of us hobby to escape the bitching at home, and the last thing we would want to see is a bitchy provider.
Even more amusing are the WK's that will be riding in today. Popcorn all around 
What exactly is your point here? Can you name any job or profession that lacks vocal complainers?
Goldman Sachs paid its employees an average of $500,000 this year and there were a number who lamented that the culture had changed and they were not being treated with the respect they deserved.
What if the ladies' complaints are justified? Surely, if they post "you stinK," that doesn't "prove your point" as you posted to Karrie?
That's just observation.
You really need to work on your Tudeness, Tude.
It's words on a screen. How is that "making your life miserable"? You're the one who chooses to read it, no?
If anything, they're doing you a favor, since I'd guess you don't want to see the people who do not show what you think is the correct attitude (whether or not it IS a correct attitude is another kettle of fish). So what exactly is the problem here?
calling some of them ugly? Do you post to their threads and tell them to just not read the posts that they don't like?
What's the difference?
Still waiting on that answer, though.
Sounds like you need some Geritol !
I havent seen it, but I dont live here like some do, so maybe they see it more !
Don't worry about it so much. There are some GIVENS here that are rarely mentioned.
There are some providers on the board that think they walk on water and cannot be confronted or dare to have a dissenting opinion cast, but frankly, it's the hobbyists that do most of the bitching and moaning. I am of the mind that if hobbyists check their pads for blood and take a midol, we'd have fewer train wrecks and melt downs. The providers that moan about shit at every turn are poorer for it and have too much time on their hands as it is. We don't see them because we know they are drama queens.
What we have here is a guy, pissing and moaning about the women who piss and moan too much. That's fucking ripe!
We have a tendency to amplify the negative relative to the positive. Therefore, in terms of our recollection and impressions; negatives have far greater impact.
Yes, I am tired unto death of seeing posts from (mostly) aliased providers that indicate the level of LOATHING with which they regard their clients. Commentary about how a client never has and never will give them an orgasm or about how morally inferior hobbyists are etc etc etc etc.
Cry me a fucking river. Nobody has a gun to their heads. They can take their education and go find other work. And what really pisses me off about this is that by hiding behind aliases, they deny ME the direct ability to avoid them because in my mind they are NOT giving consent, so they are trying to trick men into psychologically damaging them. As far as I'm concerned these paragons of moral superiority are tricking men into near-rape by not making their feelings both clear and public. (Woman is only pretending to give consent.)
I have been working on how to profile these ladies and when/if I figure it out, I'll spread it around to my fellow hobbyists offline so their moral purity need not be soiled by our loathsome presence.
Also, as much as I CAN understand concern about this because I'm sure there are hobbyists out there with serious hygiene issues, I DO weary of being told to scrub my ass.
No, I am NOT tired of provider postings in general. Even if a bit strident or combative, I find these posts overall to be useful, insightful and worthwhile. And this is about 90% of all provider posts.
In fact, I have learned a great deal from providers; especially those with whom I may disagree about something. I want them to keep posting!
It’s so hard to find a live fucktoy who won’t speak, eh?
I am kinda wondering who it is that's angry and bitter though...
You know you're right...we are a bunch of bitchy hags and need to be put in our place.
LADIES....let's all take a week off the boards and leave it to these fine specimens of manly men. We will shut up and walk away with our heads bowed.
They can talk among themselves without the shrill posts of stupid whores chattering and whining and making their full and perfect lives a living hell.
See you in a week....
if all the ladies are taking a break?
sigh. i am shocked LP and DC left this thread up.
Seriously, why shouldn't this thread remain? The OP used his REAL alias name, and didn't name anyone specifically. He stated a position. Many disagreed and others agreed. Discussion 101
Now, if the ladies want to boycott for a week, there's not much I can do to stop that. I'm sure someone will be there to remind them if they change their minds and return early. Hopefully, like Tude, they'll have the balls to do it without an alias.
but you are right. it wasnt done behind an alias and its just a discussion.
which is what this board is about. lol.
interesting though.
No. You just can't handle the truth.
i was just wondering, seriously.
i seriously dont know what is wrong with you or why you are responding to every darn reply to this thread...
but, chill out, okay? seriously.
tantamount to admitting that these providers can't say anything without being bitchy. Is that really what you want to say?
...Would use specific examples of posts which diminish their experience.
I tend to think that some of the users who post biting comments in regards to provider participation have legitimate concerns and post in the most attention-grabbing way possible as to draw eyes (or "ears") to the subject (*some* - I'm not referring to the resident evils who appear on every single regional board attacking providers, without provocation or encouragement from anyone but each other).
Some TER members feel that the boards are less a refuge for "men being men" and increasingly a soundboard for provider complaints. Fact.
Do providers care? Yes, I think that some do and I think that a little bit of mutual empathy and consideration could alleviate that.
There are actually some providers who are concerned with their representation of themselves. When confronted with constructive criticism, they can swallow the pill and modify their posting behavior, including their approach to expressing provider POV.
This isn't undignified or a show of weakness. It's a considerate, smart approach and effort that some of us are willing to make.
I think that if the members who have expressed being turned off by female participation would cite specific examples or address these posts when they occur with frankness but civility perhaps the female posters who draw your ire would have a chance to reconsider how they choose to represent themselves and their service without betraying or altering who they are.
Just a thought.
you missed it above.
Maybe you could provide some examples of providers "bitching, moaning, and cackling on the boards"
What is it, exactly. you feel they are "obviously angry and bitter about"?
Maybe you can show us where providers are complaining about the men they "have to service"
If you’re gonna throw this kind of antagonistic crap out here, surely you have something to back this up.
Just read what THIS aliased provider has to say!
And you know I am generally not very antagonistic regarding providers.
There is a provider out there who would rather be doing something else?
Do you suppose she is representative of ALL providers?
Is it really true that every provider who participates on this board is just a bitchy angry bitter wife-alike?
In my post above, I very carefully delineated that I appreciate the overwhelming preponderance of posts by providers AND learn from them. I also pointed out how the negative gets accentuated.
What I don't like about the lady I am quoting is her ATTITUDE.
I don't expect her to find me attractive, love me or any of that shit. But this post implies I have no moral worth.
My dear sir,
If you noticed in the example you linked to, the provider was "bitching" in response to the OP's "bitchy" post about how big his headache was because he was trying to force himself to enjoy his time with the provider of HIS own choosing!
In fact, the very thread we are participating in was started by the OP (a hobbyist) "bitching" about so-called "bitchy" providers. As you well know, when people are attacked or threatened, they will fight back and attack!! Providers are no different. So, of course, the very thing the OP complained about happened. Providers reacted with what the OP (and other hobbyists) considered "bitchy" posts.
If everyone just calmed down and stopped reacting, I am sure we would see fewer "bitchy" posts from both sexes. (I am just as guilty as everyone else, although I am learning to let it all go)
In short, if everyone, hobbyist and provider alike, stopped all the "bitchy" sounding posts about how "bitchy" we all are then there would be nothing to "bitch" about!!
So, lets all get back to the f*ck and s*ck fests and stop the bitch fests that are daily events here!!!!!!! Would that not be much more enjoyable?
Hugs and kisses,
Belinda
Let's face it. Hobbyists start all sorts of crap, usually under an alias, where they tear providers apart for highly ridiculous and unfair things. It is stupid and divisive and fails to recognize the SYMBIOSIS between provider and hobbyist.
Too many people see providers and hobbyists as being divided and having opposing interests. To an extent, they will oppose; but it should be understood that these differences are individual rather than group.
That is, these differences apply to an individual provider or hobbyist -- but not to either as a group.
Where I find the example offensive, at core, is in its *group-think*. If I were to replace the words "hobbyist" or "client" in the cited post with the words "black man" -- EVERYONE would immediately understand the nature of my problem with the post. They'd see it as being racist as hell.
The same mechanism is at work here regarding hobbyists.
But because people are so used to group-think regarding hobbyists and providers, they don't get it.
Iwasnt bitching. The OP asked about dealing with unattractive clients. There's no way to screen guys for attractiveness. For the ones who are attractive I don't look much. This is my job. Just b/c I dont want to look at someone I find unattractive when having sex doesnt mean Im being a bitch or dont like my work. Not everyone is brad pitt. Now maybe you guys shouldnt ask for honest asnwers if you think an honest answer means bitchiness. You missed the point of thast post. And stating Ive never had an O with a client isnt being bitchy either. I really havent had O's in my real life either. Im not mad about that. I use my vibrator and move on with life. Again, not bitchy. Facts. And yes, it is about the money for me. Thats not being bitcy either. I have to pay the rent every month so I found a job. I just found a job that I like. But of course I wouldnt be here if I wasnt getting paid. Nothing bitchy about that. And the fact that most clients are unable to satisfy me isnt being bitchy, its just a fact. My body is not like every other woman they have been with, and there is no way to learn what I like in an hour.
The only thing bitchy is the feeling I am having about you, John, right now. Please take a step back and not assume everything about a post until you really take a look at it.
By the way, I used to be a bitchy provider. It had nothing to do with the hobby. I like the hobby, I was just having issues in my real life.
Read the rest of my posts before you jugde me. Now go after some of the truly bitchy providers who are here everyday, adn the reason why I am NOT here everyday.
Too much drama.
I received feedback from four providers regarding this thread. Two positive, two negative. ALL women I hold in high regard; and the detractors happen to be women in whose judgment I have considerable faith. Basically, when they tell me I've fucked up, it at least behooves me to look things over very carefully.
First, I want to make sure you understand that to the extent you have seen my posts in this thread as an attack on YOU as a person, or supportive of the notion that you, particularly, are bitchy -- I apologize. They weren't intended that way, but I can understand where you could draw that conclusion.
Second, I failed to make my profiling criteria clear. Anorgasmia is NOT, in and of itself, at ALL problematic or warranting of any sort of profiling. Nor is it evidence of any sort of negative attitude on the part of a provider. So I apologize for being unclear about that and creating a rather distressing impression.
I have made my position on anorgasmia in providers clear in another post. I think if you read it, you will see that I am COMPLETELY sympathetic to providers in that case. So much so that I believe the majority of providers to be anorgasmic during session.
Please see my post here: http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=12&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&SearchType=1&Author=johngaltnh&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&MessageID=366081&frmSearch=1
So not only do I understand that many providers are anorgasmic during sessions with clients, I have a pretty good grasp as to WHY -- and also that the situation is pretty much beyond the provider's or hobbyist's control. Understanding this as I do, I think that only a total asshole would hold anorgasmia against a provider; and I again apologize for creating the impression that I am such an asshole.
NOW -- let us have a meeting of the minds.
Just as my position was easily misunderstood because I failed to provide context -- yours was easily misunderstood to be a real "ouchie" too. And NOT just by me!
Look at what Lady lilli had to say about your post:
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=366295&boardID=12&page=
I don't think she is a jaded/cynical arch-conservative. Neither am I.
When I ask you for truth, that's what I want. But HOW you present that truth matters a lot.
The rest of this, the meeting of minds, will be offline because you *matter*. But the apology is and ought to be public.
I made a mistake in the way I phrased my statements. Im constantly trying to work on better clarifying myself. I'll put more effort into considering my words next time.
I apologize to anyone I've offended.
Here's another thread in which I had the same issue. I clarified the intent of my post. I hope that sheds light on how I feel about having sex with clients. I like my job even if I have issues with letting go. ---> http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?BoardID=12&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&SearchType=1&Author=littlehouseontheprairie&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&MessageID=367672&frmSearch=1
I think most people here are familiar with what racism is. Maybe they can't give a dictionary definition, but they certainly know it when they see it.
Take, for example the following sentence:
"All X people are intellectually inferior." You could substitute ANY ethnicity for X, and the statement would still be racist. Please notice that it is the STRUCTURE that is racist (i.e. the concept held in the sentence) rather than the CONTENT (i.e. the specific value of X).
Now, take a look at a section the post I cited:
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"How do we do it? Some of us don’t. I have never had an O with a client and I am certain I never will.
When it comes to a client's looks, I close my eyes most of the time. After all, it is all about the money, at least for me.
DATY doesn't feel good with clients, nor does much of anything else."
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What if I replaced the word "client" in this section with an ethnic group? It would look like this:
"How do we do it? Some of us don’t. I have never had an O with an Asian man and I am certain I never will.
When it comes to an Asian man's looks, I close my eyes most of the time. After all, it is all about the money, at least for me.
DATY doesn't feel good with Asian men, nor does much of anything else."
WOW! Any question AT ALL as to the nature of the post NOW?
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Notice that the STRUCTURE -- that is, the lack of regard for X is the same no matter what I substitute for X. I could note it to be Asian men, white men or anyone.
And when I put the word "hobbyist" or "client" in there as X, it is just as nasty; except nobody has invented a word for it.
But the STRUCTURE is the same as that in racism, except applied to a differently defined group.
THAT is my problem.
As folks know, I am equally intolerant of such stuff being thrown at providers.
OK. And, you can turn her comments into a racist statement. So?
What does that have to do with accusations by Tude?
According to Tude:
“The regular providers on this board are starting to sound like bitchy wives”
”Hardly a thread goes by without certain providers bitching, moaning, and cackling on the boards.”
“Have they figured that they aren't going to get any business anyway so they might as well make our lives as miserable as theirs?”
“They are obviously angry and bitter about the hobby and the men that they "have" to service”
“They act as if every post that doesn't extol the virtues of just being a provider is a slight on them”
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What if I replaced the word provider in this section with hobbyist? It would look like this:
“The regular hobbyist on this board are starting to sound like bitchy husbands”
”Hardly a thread goes by without certain hobbyist bitching, moaning, and cackling on the boards.”
“Have they figured that they aren't going to get any civie women to look at them sideways so they might as well make our lives as miserable as theirs?”
“They are obviously angry and bitter about the hobby and the women they have to pay.
They act as if every post that doesn't extol the virtues of being a REAL MAN is a slight on them.
Notice that the STRUCTURE -- that is, the lack of regard for X is the same no matter what I substitute for X. I could note it to be Asian men, white men or anyone.
And, if I did that, what would that have to do with anything? And, if some provider, using an alias, started a thread with that nonsense would someone else be able to find an example of some hobbyist presenting an attitude she didn’t like? And, would that then prove OP’s accusation true?
Or would the OP’s comment still be a baseless generalization lacking any real substance to back it up?
... made it clear that I appreciate the *overwhelming preponderance* of provider's posts -- even those with which I disagree.
So we aren't disagreeing. And we also agree that the OP's point was a gross generalization of the same nature and utter nonsense.
they like to fuck women and use them, I s use because they don't really enjoy the company of the woman as a person, but resent them in the same light. It's sad really. These guys who hate women have broken marriages an wives ho are bitchy and nag.
I have met many Gentlemen who hobby who don't hate women, have no sex life with their wives but a good strong sensual relationship with her none the less. They have respect and love for her. There's a difference. As much as you or they, the women hating hobbyist in a bad marriage would like the rest of the world to believe...we know it's not all her fault and you are far from Prince Charming. Half of the BS in that marriage that went wrong you own. If she's a nagging bitch I am sure she wasn't like that when you met her. I'd guess you bring it out in women.
There are many caring loving sweet Gentlemen who hobby and like women in general.
My wife isn't a bitch or a nag; and I've never seen a provider who bitches or nags me. My wife simply can't do the sex thing for reasons outside her control; but that doesn't mean I don't love her or care about her. No, I'm not going to get laid on Valentine's Day. But she's still getting flowers, presents, a nice brunch out anyway because she's entirely deserving of such treatment. And, in all honesty, except for the fact I hobby, I treat her like a princess practically every day. She's entirely worthy of it.
And when I see one of the few escorts I see -- I see them as whole women, not just a piece of ass. Just yesterday I spent some time with a lady. We spent three hours together, two of which were spent exchanging books and discussing matters of mutual interest. The other hour was spent on sex, of course. But for me, anyway, the sex is more enjoyable with someone with whom I share a bit more than the physical. Someone I can admire and respect for virtues beyond sex.
And you are right about something else, too. Sex within marriage sits atop a hierarchy of the woman's other material and emotional needs being met. A women who is treated like shit, treated unfairly or under-prioritized isn't usually going to want to have sex with her husband. USUALLY -- not always, but usually -- when a wife stops having sex altogether, it isn't out of sheer spite. There is something going on to which husband and wife have BOTH contributed which bring about that state of affairs.
But now for some balance.
Just as there are hobbyists who essentially hate women; there are providers who essentially hate men. And that hatred comes out in their postings, policies and attitudes.
I am entirely sympathetic with a provider wishing to be treated as more than a fuck doll. Because she IS more than a fuck doll and can often have a helluva lot more than sex to offer.
But let's face it -- we have to be honest here. There ARE providers who wish to be treated that way for the reason that they essentially dislike their clients and want to minimize their interaction.
In both cases -- in the case of the original poster and in the case of those few providers to whom he is referring -- I would LIKE to think that the bad apples are a minority.
And I'd also like to add one other thing. By default, I treat a provider as a whole person. But if she starts treating me like a john; pretty soon I'll be treating her like a fuck toy or moving on. Likewise, no matter how favorably inclined a provider may be, if a client treats her like a fungible commodity -- ultimately that's what he'll get back.
It is just like any other human interaction. Generally, you get back what you put out.
But either party to that interaction can initiate a downward spiral of the worst that lies within us.
It isn't just hobbyists. Providers can contribute to that too.
Instead, what I advocate is an upward spiral of treating each other as well as we can by default. Things go really badly when one party anticipates in advance bad-will on the part of the other and ends up creating a self-fulfilling prophecy.