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How many times is too many?
ericmdatl 7 Reviews 2264 reads
posted
1 / 19

How many times will you see an ATF?  I like having an ATF who I see frequently (though not quite exclusively), but it has been my experience that if I see the same provider so many times, it gets to the point of diminishing returns--that is, gradually less enjoyable, or less consistently enjoyable sessions.  Thoughts?

harborview 10 Reviews 632 reads
posted
2 / 19

to not see one exclusively.  I did that once & then took nearly a year off before seeing her again.  In the mean time, I developed a small number I call "Favorites".  I rotated among them depending on my services desired on a given day & her availability.   MY mistake was I got complacent & #3 retired.  #2 was off line hospitalized with an asthma problem.   #1 went BSC on me with a rant that spoiled our last session...  but sessions were going down hill again...  she was taking the easy way out & not putting full effort into sessions.    
#2 is back on line now but I need to generate a few new Favorites.    
HV

MarkusKetterman 150 Reviews 655 reads
posted
3 / 19

it's great when you are able to "forget it is a service" -  

it is not so great when she does....

seeing someone too often - and "too often" varies by person -  can result in becoming taken for granted,  or the proper boundaries in a hobby situation breaking down....

the latter can feel good at the time, make you feel special or important - but it is not healthy, and always eventually leads to drama and disappointment.....

my policy has evolved toward very very rare repeat visits, and that driven by *performance*, not "chemistry"....

ericmdatl 7 Reviews 566 reads
posted
4 / 19

Well said on all points.  Also your policy of "very very rare repeat visits" sounds good.  As good as ATFs are, once you've got one, you don't want to stop seeing her until things turn bad--either because she starts taking you for granted and goes from "true GFE" to "she just laid there," or the boundaries break down and, as you say, disappointment and drama ensues.  Not that seeing a variety of providers won't also result in some disappointments, but generally not of the same magnitude.

MarkusKetterman 150 Reviews 523 reads
posted
5 / 19

simple rule - if you start thinking about her - other than fond memories of really good sex -  in between visits,  you're over the line.   You are not her lover, her boyfriend, her protector, or her daddy - and you don't want to be.  

I am *not* saying anything to the effect that providers are not great people - it's a matter of keeping real -  hopefully she has people in her life to meet her other needs.   It's not your place or mine to do so....

exit9 601 reads
posted
7 / 19

Markus, I'm not at all disagreeing with you, but what if you KNOW that she doesn't have anyone else in her life (right now) to to be her boyfriend, protector, etc.. and you realize that if you don't take on some responsibility, she's has a huge issue (no home, food, etc..)..

Dr Who revived 642 reads
posted
8 / 19

Or you can play Capt. Save-A-Hoe and see how that plays out.

What you know about her is only what she is letting you know.  And the likelihood is she's found guys before you to help bail her out before this...and yet here she is again looking for another john to bail her out.

Go online...check out women's shelters and give her the link.  

It'll be up to her to follow through and save herself.  It's not your responsibility.

Maybe try volunteering yourself at shelters and see how people can and do get themselves out of the gutter.  That would be a wise use of your time and resources.
Posted By: exit9
Markus, I'm not at all disagreeing with you, but what if you KNOW that she doesn't have anyone else in her life (right now) to to be her boyfriend, protector, etc.. and you realize that if you don't take on some responsibility, she's has a huge issue (no home, food, etc..)..

MarkusKetterman 150 Reviews 630 reads
posted
9 / 19

well that is a tough situation -   but as one who is very active in programs to help the homeless especially homeless veterans (I am a veteran and a tbi survivor with ptsd)   I can tell you that some people or organizations are equipped to help someone like this, and some are not.    

Unless you want it to be a huge drain on your resources which you may or many not be able to afford,  and a potentially damaging situation for any relationships you may have,  as well as potentially the intrusion into your life of someone who is unstable and may be untrustworthy (not saying that she is a bad person but circumstances do things to people...)  both you and she would very likely be better off if you assisted in getting her help through one or more of the organizations that focus on helping people in her circumstance.....

ericmdatl 7 Reviews 492 reads
posted
10 / 19

If you are even thinking about all that, then you are already perilously close to crossing the boundary, imho.

mongo19621954 23 Reviews 527 reads
posted
11 / 19

then make an effort to screw her brains out daily and pay her for it - leave her a nice tip if you feel the urge.  Additional patronage is always an appropriate way to help to help any professional.  

Every month or two somebody relates a similar story that starts the same old way ... and, it seems, ends the same old way - badly.  ChicagoCPA is right.....

Fridays117 27 Reviews 425 reads
posted
13 / 19

However, that being said, an ATF can be seen multiple times for safety, comfort and reliability, just not TOO often.

exit9 415 reads
posted
14 / 19

I don't disagree.. and some of the solutions have of course occurred to me... not unusual.. working outside of regular society.. paying no taxes.. no safety net.. it's a tough call..I hope no one could walk away from anyone in distress.. maybe that's a virtue or weakness depending on your point of view.. and yes, I also work within support networks for the homeless so I Understand the difference between enabling and helping someone out..

-- Modified on 5/21/2014 9:06:58 PM

katrinakay 477 reads
posted
15 / 19

that's make me think....how many times is too many to see your favorite client? (i rather called them my favorite friends_

El-Diablo 11 Reviews 567 reads
posted
17 / 19

whether the chemistry is real or she's a great actress.  However, if those visits are too close together, you can get a false reading.  That has happened to me.  A few months time (you know, like 1-2 visits a month for about 2-3 months) usually does the trick.  The cream eventually rises to the top, if you know what I mean.  If true chemistry is there, it can last quite a while.

Posted By: ericmdatl
How many times will you see an ATF?  I like having an ATF who I see frequently (though not quite exclusively), but it has been my experience that if I see the same provider so many times, it gets to the point of diminishing returns--that is, gradually less enjoyable, or less consistently enjoyable sessions.  Thoughts?

groovinguy9 4 Reviews 479 reads
posted
18 / 19

I don't agree there, though I do agree with a lot of your advice. For me thinking about a favorite girl can make me feel that nice warm fuzzy, it can help to de-stress and sleep at night etc. Everyone is different, but for me there is almost always at least some emotion involved in all this.  

Just saying, fond thoughts and emotions other than just sexual isn't necessarily too much. For me it's a bonus. Of course, I'm single, I know some are married etc and aren't looking for the same things.
Posted By: MarkusKetterman
simple rule - if you start thinking about her - other than fond memories of really good sex -  in between visits,  you're over the line.   You are not her lover, her boyfriend, her protector, or her daddy - and you don't want to be.    
   
 I am *not* saying anything to the effect that providers are not great people - it's a matter of keeping real -  hopefully she has people in her life to meet her other needs.   It's not your place or mine to do so....

MasterZen 33 Reviews 420 reads
posted
19 / 19
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