do all clients just expect gfe ? I am extremely cautious and safe so i try to prevent myself from encountering STDs and whatnot . I really am a genuine provider that , with the right company of course , thoroughly enjoy what i do ! I know the whole point of contacting us ladies are to get the ultimate fantasy experience . but whatever happened to playing safe ? i know PLENTY of hobbyists have wives and families at home , so with that said , why recklessly endanger the lives of yourself and your loved ones all so you can say you had a one night stand with a high class hooker that gave you the ultimate PSE ? not that i am downing the ladies that are gfe providers , but it seems the only way this business is lucrative anymore is by taking chances and risking your sexual health all for a couple of dollars . this is more than sex to me ! I actually look to build long term friendships with some of my clients . not just to get their rocks off (although that is the overall goal by the end of the session ) i have been told that I am a lot nicer and more laid back than most girls , but at the same time , i lose a lot of regulars to girls that are providing services that i don't provide . it really sucks because as I said before , I really am a genuine provider that strives to provide great service only to turned down because of the services I don't provide ........

but most are charging 120-150 for a hand job. If they're good, and want to work hard, they make plenty of cash and have a solid client base.

... are you saying that you are a PSE provider that doesn't want to provide risky PSE type services? Or are you a GFE provider and you have the GFE/ PSE acronym meanings reversed?

Why did I ask? Because many have an understanding of what GFE means (and we're sure it's correct) but whenever it's discussed it becomes clear there are differing opinions.  

in my neighborhood, if you pay $150 for a hand-job they also throw in a fake massage.  

i'm definitely not one of those providers , however I feel like my rates aren't so unreasonable that many decline because its "too much for not enough service"  . my companionship alone is MORE than worth my rate . I shouldn't have to lower my rate because I actually have limits .

To be perfectly honest, I just want to get my rocks off, with as little effort (work) as possible. This is not to say that I'm mean or rude during a session, I'm still respectful. But I don't want to have to work for it anymore, I want the sure thing with super hot, sexy women, whom I'd never have a chance with IRL. I'm more than willing to pay for that, in fact I prefer it that way so I don't have to play the bullshit games of relationships anymore. I get what I want, she gets what she wants, it's a win/win.

i'm saying i'm a non-gfe provider who doesn't provide any gfe or pse .

160 different ladies over 13 years and still STD free.  Well over 1000 hours including repeats.

well I don't provide any kissing or uncovered services . that is what i know to be a part of gfe . though i have heard that there are various definitions of what exactly gfe is .........

But reality is, only a small segment of clients out there are going to pay for your companionship when they can get that companionship and get off too with another lady.

unlicensed masseuse who provides CFS on the side, because that's the most common group advertising non-GFE.  As long as your prices are in line with others that limit themselves this way, then you should be able to compete, but you can't expect a customer who wants more services to stay with you when he can get everything he wants down the street.  Within reason, price point is usually immaterial in such decisions.  Its like your customers are getting a hamburger and then find out if they go down the street, for a little bit more, they throw in fries and a drink.  Do you blame them for wanting to eat somewhere (or in this case, someone) else.  

deal killer, for most guys its an erection killer.  

GFE is correct.  It usually means open mouth kissing (DFK), DATY and BBBJ.  Traditionally, PSE includes CIM and YMMV Greek depending on size.  

yes I am aware that the chances are a lot slimmer with oral however, the possibilities aren't completely eliminated . even still I feel that is still something to share on a more intimate level and not something that i look to share with any and every person I have a sexual encounter with , if that makes sense .

great for you ! you've dodged many bullets .

I'm on to the next ad, there are just way too many other Providers who will do bbbj, for me to have to settle.

yes you are correct about that . I don't expect clients to adhere to my limits , especially not everybody . but COME ON !!!! i posted in my hometown and literally EVERY call that came through was something uncovered ...... does anybody practice safe sex anymore ? I don't even provide uncovered play in my dating life unless i'm serious about them . I just don't even like to place myself in the way of possibly catching ANYTHING .

lol I like how you put that ! but either way , I can drop my prices and still be offered less or expected more of because of other gfe providers do whatever for just a little bit .  

... but if she did it would indeed be a fem-wood killer.  
I have had strippers use condoms to perform DATY in clubs and I went along with it tho I really disliked it.

I think you all may be a little confused as to what i mean by that . i'm not saying my companionship is what makes my rate as such . i am saying that as cool and chill as i am in comparison to a lot of girls (so I have been told) that alone makes my rates paired with my service ( I am definitely very good at what I do ) more than worth it . but because I don't provide bare services I have to compromise my rates .

Just know what you want, and figure out how to get it.

of competitors.

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Streetwalker car date at that price.  You DON'T WANT customers that also patronize streetwalkers.  It defeats the point of being safe.  It should be good riddance to that guy.

just licking latex, we could all buy blow-up dolls and save a ton of money in the long run.  Lol

And you say  "I take him into my little world and give a mind blowing experience that had him changing his mind for sure (not bragging ny the way . just stating facts !)".  

yes , yes this is true ! i'm working on that . thanks for that !

You said " but because I don't provide bare services I have to compromise my rates".

... and quite content with the services that you do offer

perspective is about as far from yours as another provider can get.  Her menu includes anal WITHOUT an enema prep, so things can get a little messy.  

Where I'm from I wouldn't touch pay $50 for BBBJ with CIM if she covered my medical bills for me. That's way below market, and a rd flag. I don't know if that even matches the low-end BP rate.  

because frankly, I could care less about them. And when tastefully done, you may learn something.  

I don't think I've ever seen a higher cost provider ($300+ per hour) not do GFE and remain in business for long. The market usually weeds them out pretty quickly, and either they open up their menu, drop their prices, or decide that escorting isn't for them.

They have more reviews...maybe that makes the difference for them.  Set your limits and feel good with them and move forward.  Focus on you and your friends and I am sure you will build.  

is her frustration that her business phone doesn't ring often enough. Isn't that a function of the size of the pool of guys seeking CFS and a CBJ.  

How did you see her profile when she posts as an alias? Are you ladies talking behind our backs? Lol Never, right. My previous post notes that we don't know that much "about" her because of the alias.

Just search her by name.  It is not really that difficult.

Unless there is another non GFE Tori Love out there.

....be confident for your rates and you'll be fine..tell someone to kick rocks.

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More risks = more $.  IDK many who will pay for covered BJ, or that are not interested in sharing bodily fluids.  Kissing, and DATY are as huge as BBBJ here, so why would you expect the guys to pay top dollar for a covered everything provider?

I originally said you will probably have to drop your prices to compensate for non-GFE services,  but if that TER review is accurate and you're  $100 for 30 minutes in a higher priced market like San Diego,  you actually have the opposite problem and IMO you're underpriced.  

See that's my thing ! I know that I don't offer certain services that could up my rates , but for what I do charge , I feel like I give an excellent performance and I click very well with a lot of my clients ! I feel like everybody is almost getting a steal because I'm pretty awesome just saying lol

Posted By: lopaw

Re: Based on your posts I suspect that you make every client feel very special....
... and quite content with the services that you do offer

I do offer some fetishes . But all services must be covered , simple .

I remember this chica in Costa Rica a few years ago promised me the BEST blow job in my entire life or she'd do it for free. Naturally I took her up on the deal as she was pretty hot. I take her upstairs took, down my pants and then started literally laughing my ass off when she broke out a condom. I told her "you can't be fucking serious if you think you are even going to get me off, much less give me the best blow job of my life while wearing a condom"

Most of the ladies I know do NOT provide uncovered FS. Not sure why you equate GFE to going bareback?

I am a GFE provider and I get tested every 3 months, never had any diseases. I only have been doing this business for 3 years. I am not a spinner but a mature chunky small BBW age 51. I love what I do and I get so satisfied by my regulars that want to satisfy me too. I don't know why providers are out there that don't do GFE as I get clients to return to me because they tell me that they love that I deep french kiss as well as allow myself to be satisfied (dining at the Y) and they love that I do BBBJ cim/swallow and rimming. I don't see how a provider can get any connection with their client without GFE passion. The connection is what keeps them coming back. I have a great business and love my regulars.  The biggest comments I get are they are so grateful that I kiss and allow the two way street, and that I am so fun/easy to be with as I have a great attitude. Men need a passionate physical connection to be made to leave them wanting more..

pun intended?

and then make so much sense in other threads? lol

Gotta agree on the self-admimistered hj point.  I love a woman's hands on me but I've never found one who can rub one out better than I do.

I don't think I got any abuse on the other thread.  Either that,  or I'm completely oblivious to it. Meh.

He's taking his abuse with a smile.  I give points for that.

here higher-end FBSM girls have half-hour rates, too. $100 is low, though. More like $150 for the better ones.  

My experience is that massage places that offer half hour rates only do HJ. I've personally never seen a FS FSBM that offered a half hour rate.  

of course we don't know your area since you are an unknown posting under an alias, but let me tell you from experience that there are many women, FBSM and otherwise that offer FS in a 30 minute session.

see , I definitely can't account for any other chick . thats for sure . i'm confident in what i have to offer from experience . I know alot of girls pop big shit but I don't . I hate to brag because I know my actions are going to be able to show more than my words ever will . the rest of that is on you .

no assumptions hun . since i have started working , i was always informed that gfe does (partially) mean going bareback . I have heard a couple of times that gfe doesn't necessarily mean going uncovered .  

I am still pretty new to the site so I am learning how things are working . what do you all even mean when you say I am posting using an alias ?

and that's fine . to each it's own . but clearly I wasn't speaking on a working lady of your caliber . it was more so aimed at the gfe girls that are charging the same as a non-gfe provider to where i am in competition with such services . I know what men prefer clearly because I turn down a lot of clients because they are lookig for services that i refuse to provide , no matter how much they want to spend . just as you choose to continue to provide the serives you provide , I will do the same !

lol wait a second , begging for what abuse exaclty ? because I was just looking for opinions or even a couple tips from hobbyists seeing that I look to appeal to you all . that's it that's all .

I'm not looking for CFS, or a provider to swallow, but it's not a deal breaker if they do. I've even met a couple of exceptional providers who don't offer CIM at all and I'm OK with that, but the key word here is "exceptional". CBJ is a deal breaker for me and when I see that - the provider goes on my Do Not See List.  

Just to be clear for the pin heads, my post was about CBJs and NOT CFS. Don't know why I can't edit my post, but whatever!

there are some men trying to pressure you into doing risky services by lying to make you feel inferior.  When I was in the sugar daddy/sugar baby scene, lots of guys would tell me "well this is what my last sugar baby did for only this much, so that's what I'm looking for". Certain men will try to convince you to do more for less by making you doubt yourself and you absolutely shouldn't

Anything goes.  Bitches are desperate.  And I call them bitches, because if you dont respect yourself and your health, no one else will.  There a lot of options open to women these days that they don't have to resort to escorting.  If you have a substance abuse problem, there is plenty of help out there.  If they choose not to get help, it's on them.  Send me an email @[email protected] and I can give you more info and talk to you about more private issues

I don't know who keeps telling you the line of horseshit, but I would bet it is men... because they'd tell ya just about anything to get what they want.  

" i lose a lot of regulars to girls that are providing services that i don't provide ."
(those damn whores)  

Some guys do get homesick after all. lol

One way or another, women always make the guys pay. The Wife Experience is just a more binding form of contractual payment.

Do not let these predators get to you. I've had an "all safe" menu for about 2 years and have increased my rates during that time, while steadily building my base of regulars. I've even "converted" a quite notorious hobbyists from freaking Texas - home of bb whatever - into a CBJ guy...well, at least for me lol! When these strict bbj guys give me a go, I notice they always come back. Skill, charm, and effort counts for more than these guys commenting on this thread would like you to believe.
Many high dollar hotties refuse to partake in bb-anything. There are plenty of high caliber men who do not feel it necessary to play Russian roulette with their genitals.  
Your warm personality and safe habits will be appreciated and valued highly by the people you desire to attract - as I'm sure you already know. Guys who want to have an awesome time, sans the after pangs of anxiety over catching STDs are out there. Taylor your advertising to that crowd ie "seeking responsible and safe" "Mutual safety is my priority" etc. Those men will breath a sigh of relief to find a woman who does not sell her mental and physical health, but her skill, companionship, time, and intimacy.

I've read a couple of your reviews and apparently you are a GREAT kisser which can a LONG ways in making a guy forget you only give a CBJ.