OK. so what is it that clicks in a client's mind... that makes him think it's appropriate to just "stop by" unannounced? yesterday i'm sitting around at home, in my pajamas. i have my best friend over cus its sunday. i don't do a goddamn thing on sundays. sundays are my day. my clients know this. its like 5pm, when someone knocks on the door. i know i have no bookings, and nobody else knows where i live. (i'm very much into privacy.) i dont answer the door. because, for one, i dont answer for unexpected company. its fucking rude. secondly, my best friend is there, and is completely unaware of what i do for a living. (like i said, i like my privacy.) finally they go away, but before they do, they STICK A NOTE IN MY DOOR. it says something like: "alice, i couldnt reach you, i tried to text you and email you. i got worried about you (no actually i'm just horny.) lets have dinner sometime, (because i'd like to spend time with you for free) blah blah blah (i'm a stalker)."
typical client note.
fortunately, this hasn't happened much in the last couple years i've been working, maybe like 3 or 4 times. i'm pretty clear about keeping my privacy and my regulars know better.
SERIOUSLY. how does anyone think this is even remotely acceptable? what if a provider just showed up like that at your own home, with your wife and family there?
ARGH!!!
ok. i feel better now. (kinda.) i just had to rant that out and let any clients (mine or anyone else's) know- totally inappropriate. assholes.
FYI, if you charged more, maybe you could rent a private incall Alice...duh. Most of us do NOT use hotels unless we are on tour, and even then, we use condos if available. If you're using low rate, shitty hotels, I can see why guys would be a bit put off. Try using a Hyatt Regency...oh wait, you can't, because that would be 4 guys a day you would have to see to pay for it! You are a beautiful girl...you really are! You could easily charge 3 or 4 times what you do, and still make out even. And, attract quality clients, not these douche bags.
I remember feeling bad for you when you were trying to figure out how this board works, and how to get reviews and get them linked to your name. I remember that some of the "folks" here gave you a hard time and expressed doubt that you were even real.
So now you make the lamest post ever, "DON'T ABUSE the fact that you know where she lives."
Really? How about this:
"DON'T TELL THEM WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE".
A couple of highly respected veteran members suggest that working out of your home is not the way to ensure privacy, and you respond with insults. Nice work. Let me ask you a question: it takes a rude or clueless person to show up unannounced at a providers incall. This guy you are talking about apparently likes you. What's to stop a guy who DOESN'T like you doing the same thing? What's to stop him bringing a weapon? What's to stop any disgruntled customer from making a complaint to the police?
So here's my take now: your writing makes you sound like trailer trash - you can't spell or use proper grammar or punctuation. You practice one of the stupidest and most dangerous acts in working out of your home, and you defend it and insult anyone who criticizes. I predict you'll be arrested, out of the business, or dead within a couple of years.
well ok, in her defense I have no idea if Alice drinks, and she doesn't appear to be fat, but stupid and defensive is also not a good way to go through life, and that definitely applies to the OP.
I wonder if she'll think my post is rude as well?
If not, I guess I will have to try harder on my next post.lol
The part where she Doesn't answer the door when someone knocks . U don't get shes self promoting ? And I'm sure her bf keeps her safe !!!!!!! She spells 1 word right = trouble ! And I'm not a = f o l k !
Posted By: clarence37
I remember feeling bad for you when you were trying to figure out how this board works, and how to get reviews and get them linked to your name. I remember that some of the "folks" here gave you a hard time and expressed doubt that you were even real.
So now you make the lamest post ever, "DON'T ABUSE the fact that you know where she lives."
Really? How about this:
"DON'T TELL THEM WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE FIRST PLACE".
A couple of highly respected veteran members suggest that working out of your home is not the way to ensure privacy, and you respond with insults. Nice work. Let me ask you a question: it takes a rude or clueless person to show up unannounced at a providers incall. This guy you are talking about apparently likes you. What's to stop a guy who DOESN'T like you doing the same thing? What's to stop him bringing a weapon? What's to stop any disgruntled customer from making a complaint to the police?
So here's my take now: your writing makes you sound like trailer trash - you can't spell or use proper grammar or punctuation. You practice one of the stupidest and most dangerous acts in working out of your home, and you defend it and insult anyone who criticizes. I predict you'll be arrested, out of the business, or dead within a couple of years.
I am actually more comfortable in a hotel than at a private residence. Not as likely for a pimp or 2 to come in and say get out, or be set up for robbery. This, of course depends on hotel. I figure it could be an even bet for LE. Nothing 100% , a well reviewed provider with good rep is always a safer bet either type place.
and why would you TELL clients that's really where you live? That's 'why' he just showed up! You prove why it is beyond stupid to work from the very place you live, and it can get worse. Wait til you get one who slashes your tires or kills your dog. I hope you have no minors living there, or you are going down for pandering.
Of course this behavior is never acceptable, but sorry...you have to take part of the blame here for not only letting men in your home, but also flat out letting them know you live there vs. saying "It's just an incall." ALWAYS make them think other people are in and out, and you don't live there if you are going to insist on working from your home, and you should have used an alias because now the whole world knows where you work from, and that you live alone. Talk about putting a sign up! Don't mean to sound harsh, but certain things are just dangerous.
you're really asking this? lol.. havn't heard of providers hosting at a private residence?
i don't have a flood of random men coming to my door, i'm not gross like that. i'm not stupid or naive or careless either. i only see regulars and only a few times a week, so generally my private residence works. many providers do this.
anyway i'm not gonna go back and forth with the wonderful folks on general boards- i really just wanted to mention how inappropriate random visits are. ok then. :
to host out of your residence. She has told others on the boards the exact same thing in the past. You say that you are neither careless, stupid or naive, but the scenario that you are laying out is evidence to the contrary.
While you are correct that it is stupid for a hobbyist to drop in unannounced, I could only imagine what level of hobbyist you are attracting at $100.
to host out of your residence. She has told others on the boards the exact same thing in the past. You say that you are neither careless, stupid or naive, but the scenario that you are laying out is evidence to the contrary.
While you are correct that it is stupid for a hobbyist to drop in unannounced, I could only imagine what level of hobbyist you are attracting at $100.
p.s. do you ever do anything other than sit around on these boards? *tongue in cheek* when do you find time to suck dicks? you're always on here. maybe some exercise would be good. work out some of that bottled up aggression. or going to bed every once in awhile helps too.
Ur talk in to yourself now ! Y don't u go to bed , if u got 1 . Rotfflmao.
Posted By: xxalicexx
p.s. do you ever do anything other than sit around on these boards? *tongue in cheek* when do you find time to suck dicks? you're always on here. maybe some exercise would be good. work out some of that bottled up aggression. or going to bed every once in awhile helps too.
Here's a clue babe...when you charge what I do, you don't have to suck many d*cks. Try it sometime...if you can get guys to pay that. I see 2 clients A MONTH, if that, and I am not broke having to work from the very home I sleep in every night. It's called having another income so I don't have to charge bargain basement rates here. Gee, what a concept! That's why I can sit on the boards all day long...I do not HAVE TO work when I don't want to. In fact, I just got back from being off for an entire month from d*ck sucking. Gotta love that.
If you want to act like a whiney brat when someone tells you what an idiot you are (and I did not say that in my FIRST POST) don't ask in the first place. No one gives a shit about your dumb rants. Get on facebook! Yes, it is your choice to work from your home, as dumb and indiscreet as that may be, but don't come here and whine about situations that would not happen if you used some common sense. Unless you live in a busy city or in a high rise, residential areas are not to be used for the hobby, but hey...do what you want, and keep whining about it.
The only women I know who have never dealt with nut jobs and work from their homes, have no children, and a door to buzz people up. They don't live in areas where a guy can just pull up in the driveway and leave notes on their door.
Here's a clue babe...when you charge what I do, you don't have to suck many d*cks. Try it sometime...if you can get guys to pay that. I see 2 clients A MONTH, if that, and I am not broke having to work from the very home I sleep in every night. It's called having another income so I don't have to charge bargain basement rates here. Gee, what a concept! That's why I can sit on the boards all day long...I do not HAVE TO work when I don't want to. In fact, I just got back from being off for an entire month from d*ck sucking. Gotta love that.
If you want to act like a whiney brat when someone tells you what an idiot you are (and I did not say that in my FIRST POST) don't ask in the first place. No one gives a shit about your dumb rants. Get on facebook! Yes, it is your choice to work from your home, as dumb and indiscreet as that may be, but don't come here and whine about situations that would not happen if you used some common sense. Unless you live in a busy city or in a high rise, residential areas are not to be used for the hobby, but hey...do what you want, and keep whining about it.
The only women I know who have never dealt with nut jobs and work from their homes, have no children, and a door to buzz people up. They don't live in areas where a guy can just pull up in the driveway and leave notes on their door.
You had some idiot come to your place and slip a note under your door after ring the door bell (or was it knocking does it matter?). This happened because you are seeing clients at your place. It's really that simple. And she even paid you a complement on your looks.
Several people have told you that your own actions most likely caused the situation you ranted about. Instead of listening and accepting part of the blame you decided a better path would be to attack the people offering advice. Seems pretty logical to me. Now how many potential clients are going to reconsider now that they now there are potential stalkers hanging around your place. Just what every guy wants to worry about while trying to have some fun time.
You're attacking the very people who are telling you what you're doing wrong. Your OP was bound to draw negative comments and putting it on this board was your first mistake. No matter what you post on this board, you know a train wreck is coming.
You're taking big risks showing your face, working out of your home, and charging so little that you're getting bottom of the barrel BP guys who do EXACTLY what this guy did. It really is your fault that you have this problem and instead of attacking people, you'd do much better to take the advice given here. This guy was a jerk for showing up at your place uninvited but sorry hun, there are a lot of jerks in this hobby and at your low rates, you're drawing them to you.
Some providers do work out of their homes but they're much more careful about who they see and trust not to invade their privacy. You've been given some good advice by London, Courtney, Jamie and others. Instead of firing back, you might want to think more about the message than how it was delivered.
You're young and inexperienced in this business but take away the message that there are a lot of bad guys in your rate range. Get the hell out of that range and you'll see much more respectful guys who won't bother you on your downtime.
Trailer at the trailer park . Fucking WiFi was out due to the fact that I didn't pay the bill. My hair was a mess and I finished I pack of tall boys . I fell asleep and had this wicked dream that some WK came a call in at my estate where I conduct my business . Several of my girls were there so he may get his dream , wink wink . Th n my ass woke up by the knock on the door for the rent so I posted this crap !
I remember u ? U did this like 6 months ago , and we ain't FOLKS !
Posted By: xxalicexx
you're really asking this? lol.. havn't heard of providers hosting at a private residence?
i don't have a flood of random men coming to my door, i'm not gross like that. i'm not stupid or naive or careless either. i only see regulars and only a few times a week, so generally my private residence works. many providers do this.
anyway i'm not gonna go back and forth with the wonderful folks on general boards- i really just wanted to mention how inappropriate random visits are. ok then.
You flooded the newbie board not long ago, and we were all nice, but give it a rest. If you do dumb shit, prepare for what comes with it, and no...not everyone is that careless with where they spread their legs! Don't sit here and tell me that at a hundred bucks, you're getting nothing but doctors and CEOs flooding your doorstep.
Come back any time to remind the board where you live, and that you have guys just showing up. That in itself was fkin stupid to post lol. You just told every potential client he has to worry about guys lurking around your house!! Yah...so much more comfy to know that, vs. staying in a 4 or 5 star hotel! Christ!!
I just checked out your website. Beautiful pictures. Sucks that a client is lurking around your home posting notes on your door.
I agree with a lot of people in here that says it was a bad decision to let them know your incall is your home.
London Rayne is a straight shooter and gives sound advice.
Posted By: London Rayne
You flooded the newbie board not long ago, and we were all nice, but give it a rest. If you do dumb shit, prepare for what comes with it, and no...not everyone is that careless with where they spread their legs! Don't sit here and tell me that at a hundred bucks, you're getting nothing but doctors and CEOs flooding your doorstep.
Come back any time to remind the board where you live, and that you have guys just showing up. That in itself was fkin stupid to post lol. You just told every potential client he has to worry about guys lurking around your house!! Yah...so much more comfy to know that, vs. staying in a 4 or 5 star hotel! Christ!!
First, MANY ladies work out of their own home. It is your choice to do so and no one should be critical of your decision. If it works for you, by all means continue to do so. I have seen a few ladies who work out of their own homes and they are quite successful doing so without incident.
But, by working from your own home, as you know, there are inherent risks. One of them are clients who may just randomly show up without an appointment. I have heard more than a few stories of clients doing just this. The bottom line is that it shows an unbelievable lack of judgment on their part and a complete disregard for the discretion/privacy of the hobby. All you can do is NEVER (and I mean never) consider taking an appointment from them again.
The vast majority of hobbyists would never dare to just show up at a ladies house unannounced. But unfortunately, there are a few men out there who just don't get it.
Actually, you only know what those providers have 'told you' vs. what might have really went on. I am not going to go around telling clients about the bad things other clients have done to me...simply TMI, and might drive them away for fear of backlash.
You guys rarely hear about the shit we go through because most providers don't want you to know. Many act like nothing bad has ever happened, when it reality, it's far from the case. The reason a provider is not going to tell you ( a client who has been to her home) that something sinister went down, is because she knows it's bad for business. You might assume she has a guy lurking around, and stop seeing her or insist on a hotel. That's about as stupid as telling a client that the condom broke with the last guy lol.
So in short, don't assume just because a provider says "I have never had anything happen and I work from my home," that she is telling the truth. You will never really know. Many providers have been robbed and raped, and that info. never sees the light of day.
Clients should NEVER Abuse a Provider's Privacy, especially if she works out of her own Home. Showing up on a day she's off and sliding a note under her Door is Not Cool.
Alice if this Guy is a Trusted Regular, then tell him not to do that again. If he does it again drop him all together. Don't accept his Calls / Texts.
I have heard other providers say this and I completely disagree. I much prefer a hotel to a private residence. I don't mean Motel 6. I mean a nice average hotel. The kind that you have to go through the lobby to get to the room and there is actually a hallway. Not the ones that you enter the room directly from the outside. I know the sheets have been washed at least in the last 24 hours, the bathroom is clean. I can get a clean towel. I don't have to deal with your dog. I don't have cat hair all over my clothes. Everything is fresh and clean. And then there is the bonus of seeing if we can get so loud that the couple on the other side of the wall can hear us.
I ask for advice sometimes, and have heard ladies cut their clients off when they get too obsessive. Everything can be fine, but it only takes one time for someone to do something stupid. In this case, if you do cut anyone off because of these types of actions, be careful not to piss 'em off if they know where you live.
People can cover things up easily for a few hours, just like we can put a 'mask' on providing the perfect GFE or PSE. We spend a lot of time preparing, keeping ourselves waxed, luscious, and juicy. Mentally and physically prepared for our dates. We're accountable by reviews, references, and discussions from hobbyist to hobbyist. Of course we're going to look like a godsend for a couple of hours at a time.
I've heard many times that some men forget this is a fantasy and buy into the fact that we're in love with them... even if we don't say it.
Also know providers don't even tell men where they're at hotel wise until they're 1. Screened and 2. Need to start driving. The room number is told when they arrive at the hotel. It's a safety thing. (Had to learn that one.)
In a lot of cases it means men who have lifestyles they don't want to f*** up. I raised my rates up for that very reason. (And I mean it guys... come on.) I'd rather have less clients that pay more and not rake in tons of money and live safely and more humbly, than have guys who can buy a dime and sell a dime to get a hundred bucks. (I have no idea if that's accurate, but...)
Also, investing in your business attracts a different clientele. Your photos are amazing on your site. What's up with your rates if you look like that? You don't have bad reviews, your profiles says you look like your photos, your services rank with the services required for different rates, etc.
Here's the thing. People are afraid to raise their rates because they may lose clients; however, you'll be in such a new category you'll be opening yourself up to an entirely different crowd, so I doubt it would hurt... with reviews already available, a TER profile available, website, etc.
I'm hoping you're not taking any of this the wrong way. These are all things I've seen work and I'm doing trips, multi-hour appointments, etc. within 6 months of even (officially) doing this. A guy leaves an appointment, and I think "I can't believe that man just dished this out without even thinking about it." SMH. But they do. I say go for it.
Totally off subject, but the rates are coming up in this thread so much I thought it would be appropriate. $250 minimum IMO to drob any dead beats.
listen to the ladies on here that are successful and you may do well............you do have a very nice ass.
Posted By: xxalicexx
OK. so what is it that clicks in a client's mind... that makes him think it's appropriate to just "stop by" unannounced? yesterday i'm sitting around at home, in my pajamas. i have my best friend over cus its sunday. i don't do a goddamn thing on sundays. sundays are my day. my clients know this. its like 5pm, when someone knocks on the door. i know i have no bookings, and nobody else knows where i live. (i'm very much into privacy.) i dont answer the door. because, for one, i dont answer for unexpected company. its fucking rude. secondly, my best friend is there, and is completely unaware of what i do for a living. (like i said, i like my privacy.) finally they go away, but before they do, they STICK A NOTE IN MY DOOR. it says something like: "alice, i couldnt reach you, i tried to text you and email you. i got worried about you (no actually i'm just horny.) lets have dinner sometime, (because i'd like to spend time with you for free) blah blah blah (i'm a stalker)."
typical client note.
fortunately, this hasn't happened much in the last couple years i've been working, maybe like 3 or 4 times. i'm pretty clear about keeping my privacy and my regulars know better.
SERIOUSLY. how does anyone think this is even remotely acceptable? what if a provider just showed up like that at your own home, with your wife and family there?
ARGH!!!
ok. i feel better now. (kinda.) i just had to rant that out and let any clients (mine or anyone else's) know- totally inappropriate. assholes.
I think everyone here really does mean well, although their delivery is kind of rough. It is like a tough love approach, don't let it burn you. I have yet to look at your profile but the consensus seems to be that you are a pretty girl. I do agree with those that have said raise your rates. If you are charging in the 100 range I can only imagine what you deal with. I saw a big difference in my clientele when I went from 250 to 400 and 250 isn't that cheap when you really consider it. So, the advice I have for you is this keep in mind I'm weighing in before I look at your stuff.
1) raise your rates. If your at 100 go to 250. Then you will get better quality gentlemen, who hopefully practice common sense. If you don't want to lose your regulars, grandfather them at your current rate. But IMO no one should be accepting 100 an hour! You should value yourself more than that doll. 2) do not let just anyone into your home. See new clients at a hotel and only when you have seen them a couple of times, let them know where you live. Of course, many may disagree Nd say never let anyone in your home, but I think ifgyou must, only doit with your established guys. 3)it is never a goof idea to bitch about clients to your clients. You said your best friend doesn't know what you do, maybe you can make a friend in another provider, so you can have your bitch rest with her and not have to put your business out there, and them get ragged for it on the board. (Only London can get away with it. She is special - don't ask why it's the way it is) 4) you should really look at your online personality, and control it. A lot of good hobbyists visit this site, and not all of them post some of them just read. And you never know who you be putting off with something you post.ni have had many people contact me on the basis alone that they enjoy my posts. Sometimes I don't have their typical look or typical general profile, but so,etching I've said makes them contact me. And I've found, it is those that contact me because they have watched my posts and like my personality, that seem to be quality clients, and nine times out of ten, they become a regular. You never know when your being noticed in this crazy world we exist in.
I hope that you take heed to the advice you have received here. Though some of it is worded harshly, it is some very good advice, my love. And I don't know about all the other girls, but I struggled on my own teaching myself the in and outs of this "work" and when people give you advice it is usually true.
That's just MY THOUGHTS. And now I'm going to look at your stuff.
Also please excuse any misspellings or typos. I'm on my IPAD and have a harder time with this damn keyboard and my fat fingers!
I went to look at your stuff and you do have nice photos and you are a pretty girl. But in your recent review, it said some info that surprised me.... I'm not going to say it here... But I guess it is a fetish.....even if I don't necessarily agree with it....
But yeahraise your rates, Alice, and the guys will improve. That I can promise you.
I went to look at your stuff and you do have nice photos and you are a pretty girl. But in your recent review, it said some info that surprised me.... I'm not going to say it here... But I guess it is a fetish.....even if I don't necessarily agree with it....
But yeahraise your rates, Alice, and the guys will improve. That I can promise you.
Maybe it is different when you do not live in NYC but why would you have someone to your home if it was not a secure building? Many providers in NYC use there apts and I believe that is because hotels are just ridiculously expensive. The difference is that most of them are in buildings where doorman have to let u in, you need to get buzzed from the apt, and some buildings now have elevators where anyone can walk in but can't use them unless the doorman or the person in the elevator has access card to use the elevator. Always better to be safe
I would never drop in unannounced to my best friend's house, let alone a provider. As far as surprise visits at my house, well, my friends know the dogs won't allow it and I have to give commands for the dogs to allow them out of the vehicle. Love my privacy.
I was guity of seeing clients in my home but recently got a separate place when a clients wife got wind of his visit to me. I will never work from a hotel as most of my clients hate the idea and I have seen many "high end" escorts work from "high end" hotels only to get stood up or cancelled on last minute leaving her high & dry with a hotel bill. Forget that crap! Also, Craiglist killer comes to mind. Anyways, when I worked from my home I had very respectful clients who were not retarded enough to show up at anytime uninvited! In regards to Alice's situation, let's be honest, it seems as though #1 she conducts herself very low class, uneducated, etc.. #2 she has a low budget rate #3 these things have therefore attracted low life guys with no class or clue. Sounds like this particular guy doesn't even take her seriously. Like attracts the like. She needs to clean up her act & attitude.
Posted By: xxalicexx
OK. so what is it that clicks in a client's mind... that makes him think it's appropriate to just "stop by" unannounced? yesterday i'm sitting around at home, in my pajamas. i have my best friend over cus its sunday. i don't do a goddamn thing on sundays. sundays are my day. my clients know this. its like 5pm, when someone knocks on the door. i know i have no bookings, and nobody else knows where i live. (i'm very much into privacy.) i dont answer the door. because, for one, i dont answer for unexpected company. its fucking rude. secondly, my best friend is there, and is completely unaware of what i do for a living. (like i said, i like my privacy.) finally they go away, but before they do, they STICK A NOTE IN MY DOOR. it says something like: "alice, i couldnt reach you, i tried to text you and email you. i got worried about you (no actually i'm just horny.) lets have dinner sometime, (because i'd like to spend time with you for free) blah blah blah (i'm a stalker)."
typical client note.
fortunately, this hasn't happened much in the last couple years i've been working, maybe like 3 or 4 times. i'm pretty clear about keeping my privacy and my regulars know better.
SERIOUSLY. how does anyone think this is even remotely acceptable? what if a provider just showed up like that at your own home, with your wife and family there?
ARGH!!!
ok. i feel better now. (kinda.) i just had to rant that out and let any clients (mine or anyone else's) know- totally inappropriate. assholes.
OK. so what is it that clicks in a client's mind... that makes him think it's appropriate to just "stop by" unannounced? yesterday i'm sitting around at home, in my pajamas. i have my best friend over cus its sunday. i don't do a goddamn thing on sundays. sundays are my day. my clients know this. its like 5pm, when someone knocks on the door. i know i have no bookings, and nobody else knows where i live. (i'm very much into privacy.) i dont answer the door. because, for one, i dont answer for unexpected company. its fucking rude. secondly, my best friend is there, and is completely unaware of what i do for a living. (like i said, i like my privacy.) finally they go away, but before they do, they STICK A NOTE IN MY DOOR. it says something like: "alice, i couldnt reach you, i tried to text you and email you. i got worried about you (no actually i'm just horny.) lets have dinner sometime, (because i'd like to spend time with you for free) blah blah blah (i'm a stalker)."
typical client note.
fortunately, this hasn't happened much in the last couple years i've been working, maybe like 3 or 4 times. i'm pretty clear about keeping my privacy and my regulars know better.
SERIOUSLY. how does anyone think this is even remotely acceptable? what if a provider just showed up like that at your own home, with your wife and family there?
ARGH!!!
ok. i feel better now. (kinda.) i just had to rant that out and let any clients (mine or anyone else's) know- totally inappropriate. assholes.
providers have said to you above in terms of preventing this from happening again. You might even have to move since "x" guys know where you live.
What hasn't been said is you might need to change your screening methods as well. Apparently, some of your clients are less than desirable type of individuals that can go ballistic at any time.
Alice, do you verify your clients? If you need help learning the ways to verify please feel free to pm me or email me at [email protected] you at least need to be screening them, ok ?
I don't do calls out of my place Anymore. The same thing happen to me several years ago and besides some clients who start to feel a connection who's to say they can drive by your place at any time to see who's coming and going. NO WAY I cut that out so I can sleep a little better at night.
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