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I've got a few gals now that are gearing up towards buying a home.  But the numbers have to be there to show to a prospective lender.  Those that have all cash still need to launder the money.  And yep...still an easy trail to pick up at any time.  And if someone has not shown how they "paid cash"...oopss!

And in nearly every case it is Schedule C (SubChapter S or LLC is essentially the same for this purpose) earnings...with no real documentation.  We can't show sales invoices or projections, per se.  And with the change in lending requirements...no doc loans are virtually non-existent.

So if the story you shared was pre-2007 I could see some lenders getting involved with your pal.  Now...not so much.  Most lenders want NOTHING to do with cash basis businesses.  As well as brokerage houses.  Showing up with $ 500,000 in Benjamins is not a good plan.  And is all reportable.

So therein lies a problem for many gals.  Don't show the income and not pay taxes.  Or somehow show it, hope they get a CPA who is helpful in showing how to show a good top line...while eliminating or reducing materially the taxable line.

A conundrum to say the least  :D

Posted By: saturnsky
You consider hookers dumb...well some are, some are not, but here's the kicker, us dumb hookers get $$$ and up an hour to simply suck a bit of dick, and fuck all those super intelligent men that the women of the world (wives included) find too gross to fuck.

So, while you smart guys make all the money, it saddens me that you still have to pay some dumb hooker to pretend to give a shit and make you believe that she is interested in your ass (and you do) *laughing all the way to the bank*.

Oh and I get help typing  as I can't read or write and can barely dress myself. But I can still make more per hour than what a reallllyyyy smart neurosurgoen makes ....hmmm.
Now she has gone back to modify this post taking out the insane comment about making more than a neurosurgeon.  But I still think that this faux hooker honestly bought that she is making real bucks sucking off johns that she hates.

I have had too many chats with you ladies on how you perceive your trade.  And none...as in NOT one gal is so delusional that they honestly equate that they are in the upper echelon of earners.  NOT by a long shot in most cases.

So how often do any of you others honestly look at yourself in the mirror and convince yourselves that you are in the top 1%?

And in a case like the bitter old lesbian saturn...why in the fuck would you (or any other man hating hooker) put up with sucking and fucking the very johns you purport to hate?  If indeed you made even as much as most "neurosurgeons" paid in taxes.  And guess what toots....most of the "hobbyists" that lurk here make more than most neurosurgeons...at least the entrepreneurs I am involved with do.

Most well off folks don't get paid by the hour.  Just sayin  LOL

HoneyDooDoo1116 reads

I know many providers that are in  the 1%.  I know quite a few that make $400,000 + and a few making $500,000+ .  I know some upper tier  girls here on TER that make $40,000 - $50,000 +  in 2 weeks on tours.  Overnights, dinner dates and tips add up quickly.

I'm not talking about the golden moldies, misfits, man haters,  and  fat hags that we see so frequently on many of these boards. I'm talking about the $600 & up girls that do many multi hour sessions, and overnights.  Many in this group pay little or no taxes either.

saturnsky1066 reads

We still happily take your money....fat, old, (add your insult)...we all still get paid. Enjoy your day!

Posted By: HoneyDooDoo
I know many providers that are in  the 1%.  
I know quite a few that make $400,000 + and a few making $500,000+ .  
I know some upper tier  girls here on TER that make $40,000 - $50,000 +  in 2 weeks on tours.  

Many in this group pay little or no taxes either.
Tell them to call ChicagoCPA, quick!

But I would say it is a bit (maybe more than a bit LOL) on the high side.

I will agree that many in all groups pay little or no taxes.  But VERY few make in excess of $ 100k either.  And the reality is that after expenses...many yield less than $ 40k.

Are there some that make $ 4-500k?  Sure...but not from hooking alone!  Nope...think about the gals who have other sex related businesses and guys who are willing to finance them.

Tough to make more than 100k on hourly rates alone.  Maybe there's a listing out there like the neurosurgeon listing?  :D

Posted By: MeinarschunddeinGesicht
Posted By: HoneyDooDoo
I know many providers that are in  the 1%.  
I know quite a few that make $400,000 + and a few making $500,000+ .  
I know some upper tier  girls here on TER that make $40,000 - $50,000 +  in 2 weeks on tours.  

Many in this group pay little or no taxes either.
Tell them to call ChicagoCPA, quick!

HoneyDooDoo928 reads

CPA, they're NOT assumptions. I know these girls VERY WELL, and know what their bookings are.  Top girls get $5000 or $6000 for overnights and $2000 for having dinner.  I'm friends with a lot of top top tier providers.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
But I would say it is a bit (maybe more than a bit LOL) on the high side.

I will agree that many in all groups pay little or no taxes.  But VERY few make in excess of $ 100k either.  And the reality is that after expenses...many yield less than $ 40k.

Are there some that make $ 4-500k?  Sure...but not from hooking alone!  Nope...think about the gals who have other sex related businesses and guys who are willing to finance them.

Tough to make more than 100k on hourly rates alone.  Maybe there's a listing out there like the neurosurgeon listing?  :D
Posted By: MeinarschunddeinGesicht
Posted By: HoneyDooDoo
I know many providers that are in  the 1%.  
I know quite a few that make $400,000 + and a few making $500,000+ .  
I know some upper tier  girls here on TER that make $40,000 - $50,000 +  in 2 weeks on tours.  

Many in this group pay little or no taxes either.
Tell them to call ChicagoCPA, quick!

Try 9k for an overnight and 5k for dinner....

And no one other than the lady in question has any clue what she makes.  Not Honey, not CCPA.  Girls can lie one way or the other, just like boys do.

That is without doing some real work putting all of it together.

Yea...not too tough for folks who understand how to do it...do you?

And people lie all day long...but numbers don't.

Posted By: EdrienneCole
Try 9k for an overnight and 5k for dinner....

And no one other than the lady in question has any clue what she makes.  Not Honey, not CCPA.  Girls can lie one way or the other, just like boys do.  

Whether I say I know that number or not makes no difference as I am not about to prove it by a face to face meeting and a disclosure of all my records.  I can make up any number I want, or give the real one, and you'll find something to nitpick, insult, play the contrarian, or simply be an ass about.  Its your job here and you do it well.

Though for supposedly being an accountant, you must certainly know that yes, numbers do lie.  The mathematics of them might not, but the fact of them certainly does for a great percentage of people.

But if so...I will need an advance retainer for my time.

It starts at $ 9,000...but I'll discount it to $ 5,000.  Just to match up with the rates you felt you needed to share on here  LOL

And thanks for confirming that numbers don't lie.  You got there in a roundabout way...but did acquiesce to that fact.

And we both agree that the interpretation of those numbers can cause the users and readers to be misled.

So...did you have any clue as to what you really made in 2012?  Or did you need an asshole like me to show you how to calculate it?  And let's be truthful now...wouldn't want to look like an asswipe if IRS ever got involved...would you?

Posted By: EdrienneCole
Whether I say I know that number or not makes no difference as I am not about to prove it by a face to face meeting and a disclosure of all my records.  I can make up any number I want, or give the real one, and you'll find something to nitpick, insult, play the contrarian, or simply be an ass about.  Its your job here and you do it well.

Though for supposedly being an accountant, you must certainly know that yes, numbers do lie.  The mathematics of them might not, but the fact of them certainly does for a great percentage of people.

the number she gives her accountant and the real number aren't one and the same. It is a cash business after all.

Or are you suggesting that EC would be a tax cheat?

I would be shocked...shocked I tell you to find that out  LOL

Posted By: Polish_Pirate
the number she gives her accountant and the real number aren't one and the same. It is a cash business after all.

LMAO!

way to tell it like it is.

Posted By: EdrienneCole
Whether I say I know that number or not makes no difference as I am not about to prove it by a face to face meeting and a disclosure of all my records.  I can make up any number I want, or give the real one, and you'll find something to nitpick, insult, play the contrarian, or simply be an ass about.  Its your job here and you do it well.

Though for supposedly being an accountant, you must certainly know that yes, numbers do lie.  The mathematics of them might not, but the fact of them certainly does for a great percentage of people.

crazyshit1115 reads

The IRS is crawling up everyone's ass looking for money.

If your lifestyle doesn't line up with your tax returns, expect the full-body-cavity search.

saturnsky1246 reads

For people as dumb as you keep telling us we are, we can earn in an hour what a neurosurgeon does...in an hour. How do you extrapolate that I am comparing the two professions? And I never stated anywhere in this post that providers were in the top 1%.

But you can take this and make it anything you want...you always do. LOL!!!

This was about a post YOU put up...NOT me toots.

YOU brought up the neurosurgeon comparison..NOT me.

I'm not missing any points her SS...you just have this need to hammer home how you "fleece" guys out of money.  That part I agree 110% with.  

When you finally make any real money and don't need to fuck and suck the very johns you hate so much...perhaps you'll finally find some happiness in life.  Until then...you'll just keep on posting your hate spewed drivel hoping to make yourself feel better.

Real money isn't ever made on hourly rates.  Nope...just doesn't work that way.  If you're being paid hourly the most you can generally make is your hourly rate times the available hours.  Real high income folks don't charge that way...don't make money  that way...and certainly don't accumulate wealth that way.

One day when you grow up I'll explain to you how to really make money.  Till then...you'll just need to pick up your weekly payroll checks and "fleece" a few johns to keep your phone turned on.

Posted By: saturnsky
For people as dumb as you keep telling us we are, we can earn in an hour what a neurosurgeon does...in an hour. How do you extrapolate that I am comparing the two professions? And I never stated anywhere in this post that providers were in the top 1%.

But you can take this and make it anything you want...you always do. LOL!!!

saturnsky1047 reads

Find some peace and quit spewing your hate filled hooker babble, we might be able to have a decent conversation. And as much as I need to hammer home shit, it has occurred to everyone, so do you.

So we can keep up this board persona as long as we like...neither of us knows the real person behind the bullshit. You act as if this is the real me....just like you told me this is merely a board persona for you and that you really are quite a nice guy in person. Well, this is but a board persona for me and I could a real sweetheart who does care about her guys...you'll never know and I don't care. How do you even know if anything I say on here is the truth? It's a fuck board, not real life.

You get so bent out of shape with "saturnsky" that it makes me laugh. I quit getting pissed off at your drivel when I realized it's all hot air and an affectation. The only place you can be this person and not get punched out is here. We all need an outlet and the internet has provided the perfect place where anyone can be an asshole with very few repercussions or consequences. Because we can't act like this in real life.

So I guess I had better flop onto my back to make sure the electricity doesn't get turned off. You have a nice day up there in your ivory tower.


You needed the extra three days to cover your electric bill as well?

Oh...and if you're going to be able to stay in the "assholes club" you can't backtrack on comments you post.  Stick to your story...no matter what!

BTW...plenty of lesbian neurosurgeons out there.  Find one and compare your incomes.  I'm sure she'll find it amusing.

Posted By: saturnsky
Find some peace and quit spewing your hate filled hooker babble, we might be able to have a decent conversation. And as much as I need to hammer home shit, it has occurred to everyone, so do you.

So we can keep up this board persona as long as we like...neither of us knows the real person behind the bullshit. You act as if this is the real me....just like you told me this is merely a board persona for you and that you really are quite a nice guy in person. Well, this is but a board persona for me and I could a real sweetheart who does care about her guys...you'll never know and I don't care. How do you even know if anything I say on here is the truth? It's a fuck board, not real life.

You get so bent out of shape with "saturnsky" that it makes me laugh. I quit getting pissed off at your drivel when I realized it's all hot air and an affectation. The only place you can be this person and not get punched out is here. We all need an outlet and the internet has provided the perfect place where anyone can be an asshole with very few repercussions or consequences. Because we can't act like this in real life.

So I guess I had better flop onto my back to make sure the electricity doesn't get turned off. You have a nice day up there in your ivory tower.


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saturnsky1415 reads

playing this game with you. You won, you showed me, you put me in my place. Good for you.

Now, have a wonderful weekend.

crazyshit1007 reads

Yes, some providers make a lotta money per hour.  But that's no indication as to whether the guys paying are pathetic or unfuckable.  There is no correlation.

As far as a really smart neurosurgeon...I dunno what they make.  It says $150/hour for the top guys according to this website:

http://www.healthcaresalaryonline.com/neurosurgeon-salary.html

But who knows?  All I know is that this rate is probably the guy's annual income divided by 2000 hours, so that implies that he makes $300k/year.  Consultants make more than that PER HOUR, but they aren't fully employed, so it's a stupid argument.  I know Wall Street guys who make $20mm/year, so that ends up being $10k/hour.  And those guys ARE fully-employed.

I'm reminded of what someone once said (I think it was a rapper or an athlete).  It went something like this:

"The guy who is the star of the team is rich.  The owner of the team, however, is wealthy."

Let's not get into a virtual dick-measuring contest.  All I care about is that I make money to fund my lifestyle.  I could care less if the dude 10 years younger than me is making 100x more than me.  Big fucking deal.

No wonder they're saying there'll be less doctors in the future. Doesn't seem worth it to go through all those years of school, residency,etc. only to then deal with the likes of Medicare and malpractice insurance.

There are easier ways to make that money...

Posted By: crazyshit
Yes, some providers make a lotta money per hour.  But that's no indication as to whether the guys paying are pathetic or unfuckable.  There is no correlation.

As far as a really smart neurosurgeon...I dunno what they make.  It says $150/hour for the top guys according to this website:

http://www.healthcaresalaryonline.com/neurosurgeon-salary.html

But who knows?  All I know is that this rate is probably the guy's annual income divided by 2000 hours, so that implies that he makes $300k/year.  Consultants make more than that PER HOUR, but they aren't fully employed, so it's a stupid argument.  I know Wall Street guys who make $20mm/year, so that ends up being $10k/hour.  And those guys ARE fully-employed.

I'm reminded of what someone once said (I think it was a rapper or an athlete).  It went something like this:

"The guy who is the star of the team is rich.  The owner of the team, however, is wealthy."

Let's not get into a virtual dick-measuring contest.  All I care about is that I make money to fund my lifestyle.  I could care less if the dude 10 years younger than me is making 100x more than me.  Big fucking deal.
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crazyshit1209 reads

I just don't believe that a neurosurgeon only makes $300k/year.

In Manhattan, that means you can rent a one-bedroom apartment, go out to eat where you want, take some trips, but basically save no money.

And that's without servicing the debt that you probably accumulated.

I gotta think a good neurosurgeon is making closer to a million a year.

I love when I see the Parade magazines listing of salaries.  Talk about out of touch with reality  LOL

Even various medical publications comparing numbers is well off base.  And for reasons as we have discussed here.  An MD in Oklahoma City will earn considerable less than a NYC MD.  Doc Hollywood was an anomaly...but his gal pal looked hot so he stuck it out in small town America!  Think he could have made 10X that in Hollywood?

Posted By: crazyshit
I just don't believe that a neurosurgeon only makes $300k/year.

In Manhattan, that means you can rent a one-bedroom apartment, go out to eat where you want, take some trips, but basically save no money.

And that's without servicing the debt that you probably accumulated.

I gotta think a good neurosurgeon is making closer to a million a year.

crazyshit969 reads

Might be very interesting.  

I do know that us Wall Streeters are overpaid when you think about doctors.

Neurosurgeons earn by the appointment and then upsell on services like therapy, surgery just like a working girl. ;)

Neurosurgeon in NYC, I'd guess at least, at a minimum, 100k a month, but add in their hefty overheads, medical malpractice, assistants, theatre room time, offices, lunches, seminars that they must attend, equipment, and my guess is that SaturnSky may be correct, in that some ladies do earn the same or more, especially if not paying taxes than some neurosurgeons, and lets not forget, the Doc's have huge student loans to payback, plus their time as interns pays minimal for survival, that working girls, don't have to pay back.

crazyshit935 reads

The neurosurgeon hourly rate is one that is based on being booked a lot more continuously than a provider is, I'm guessing.

Or else the hospitals and professional centers are paying the MD's that I represent some pretty awesome bonuses.

Maybe he was looking at first year residents?

Posted By: oldted
No wonder they're saying there'll be less doctors in the future. Doesn't seem worth it to go through all those years of school, residency,etc. only to then deal with the likes of Medicare and malpractice insurance.
Posted By: crazyshit
Yes, some providers make a lotta money per hour.  But that's no indication as to whether the guys paying are pathetic or unfuckable.  There is no correlation.

As far as a really smart neurosurgeon...I dunno what they make.  It says $150/hour for the top guys according to this website:

http://www.healthcaresalaryonline.com/neurosurgeon-salary.html

But who knows?  All I know is that this rate is probably the guy's annual income divided by 2000 hours, so that implies that he makes $300k/year.  Consultants make more than that PER HOUR, but they aren't fully employed, so it's a stupid argument.  I know Wall Street guys who make $20mm/year, so that ends up being $10k/hour.  And those guys ARE fully-employed.

I'm reminded of what someone once said (I think it was a rapper or an athlete).  It went something like this:

"The guy who is the star of the team is rich.  The owner of the team, however, is wealthy."

Let's not get into a virtual dick-measuring contest.  All I care about is that I make money to fund my lifestyle.  I could care less if the dude 10 years younger than me is making 100x more than me.  Big fucking deal.

She still has that delusional idea that she makes more than a neurosurgeon.

Maybe she needs to actually visit with one...have the lobotomy, and then will see that life isn't all that tough out there.

But the neurosurgeon may want more than $ 300 (at 150/hour according to the report  LOL) for his two hours of "work".  Maybe more like $ 60k?

Those that have always been wage earners can't understand how value added billing seems to work.  Nope...it's all in the hours  LOL

saturnsky1084 reads

Why don't you, who seems to know everything there is about finance and money making, tutor the wayward, stupid hookers and teach them how to make some money instead of just sitting behind your computer making fun of them.

I thought sparring with you would be fun. It's not, you are actually very cruel. You take it to new levels of low. I have had to sink lower than I wanted to to deal with you. I don't like to insult people for the sheer fun of it. And in my posts to you, I have become as insulting and as rude and as mean as you. That is not who I am or even who I want to pretend to be...even on an anonymous fuckboard.

One of these days, the things you say are going to have a horrible outcome for someone, but you will never know that.

Remarkably, I am nothing like I am towards you to my guys or to anyone else for that fact. You bring out the worst in me. I guess I am disgusted in how I have reacted to you.



You see yourself in many of my posts...but I'll leave that ultimate diagnosis to your shrink.  Have they told you that yet?

And again you are being quite presumptuous.  YOU know that I don't tutor and counsel hookers?

If you only knew my lesbian online gal pal....if you only knew  :D

Posted By: saturnsky
Why don't you, who seems to know everything there is about finance and money making, tutor the wayward, stupid hookers and teach them how to make some money instead of just sitting behind your computer making fun of them.

I thought sparring with you would be fun. It's not, you are actually very cruel. You take it to new levels of low. I have had to sink lower than I wanted to to deal with you. I don't like to insult people for the sheer fun of it. And in my posts to you, I have become as insulting and as rude and as mean as you. That is not who I am or even who I want to pretend to be...even on an anonymous fuckboard.

One of these days, the things you say are going to have a horrible outcome for someone, but you will never know that.

Remarkably, I am nothing like I am towards you to my guys or to anyone else for that fact. You bring out the worst in me. I guess I am disgusted in how I have reacted to you.



At least we know he can recommend a very good neurosurgeon...

This might be all that would fit the bill  :D

Posted By: oldted
At least we know he can recommend a very good neurosurgeon...

hotplants1095 reads

I know this because he tells everyone, all the time...lol...

I’ve heard that this asshole he plays on TER is just his board persona and he’s “reeaaallly” a nice guy in person. As if anyone gives a fuck. Because no matter how you slice it, a nice guy acting like a jack-ass is still a jack-ass.

The only way to engage with him is by devolving into poo slinging. If you respond to him he will turn even the most measured response into an opportunity to be as obnoxious as possible in his effort to create a train wreck.

If you stoop to his level and respond to him the way he treats others, he will tell you that if you don’t like it you should ignore him.

If you ignore him he will go out of his way to deliberately antagonize.

If you don’t respond to his deliberately antagonistic attacks, he will continue to attack. Thread after thread.

If you do finally respond and tell him he’s being an ass, he will tell you that you have no sense of humor.
And then probably post a pic of some “fat broad". Always hysterically funny. And, so it goes....

He’s like a pernicious mold that you can’t get rid of without burning down the house.




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But with your late post here I got my quota of bullshit from another lesbian John.

Thanks for your pearls of wisdom.

Posted By: hotplants
I know this because he tells everyone, all the time...lol...

I’ve heard that this asshole he plays on TER is just his board persona and he’s “reeaaallly” a nice guy in person. As if anyone gives a fuck. Because no matter how you slice it, a nice guy acting like a jack-ass is still a jack-ass.

The only way to engage with him is by devolving into poo slinging. If you respond to him he will turn even the most measured response into an opportunity to be as obnoxious as possible in his effort to create a train wreck.

If you stoop to his level and respond to him the way he treats others, he will tell you that if you don’t like it you should ignore him.

If you ignore him he will go out of his way to deliberately antagonize.

If you don’t respond to his deliberately antagonistic attacks, he will continue to attack. Thread after thread.

If you do finally respond and tell him he’s being an ass, he will tell you that you have no sense of humor.
And then probably post a pic of some “fat broad". Always hysterically funny. And, so it goes....

He’s like a pernicious mold that you can’t get rid of without burning down the house.




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crazyshit1087 reads

But you have to just react to him in a way that doesn't get you more riled up.  CCPA makes no bones about it that he is here to stir up shit.  I don't know whether he's bored or whatever, but that's his thing.

So if you are easily bothered by that, do yourself a favor and don't respond, and don't let it get to you.  That's exactly what he wants you to do.

I like CCPA, but he can take it too far at times.  But in the end, you can't control what he does.  You can only control how you react to what he does.  And if it bothers you, then don't get suckered into it.

There's a handful of fuckwads on this board that like to try to get a rise outta me, too, but I can't control that  All I can do is just control how I react.  Sooner or later when you stop responding, they lose interest.

As we've discussed, most people are quite predictable.

This thread proves it....once again.

You could have posted your warning at the top....and the lemmings would still get snookered.

Posted By: crazyshit
But you have to just react to him in a way that doesn't get you more riled up.  CCPA makes no bones about it that he is here to stir up shit.  I don't know whether he's bored or whatever, but that's his thing.

So if you are easily bothered by that, do yourself a favor and don't respond, and don't let it get to you.  That's exactly what he wants you to do.

I like CCPA, but he can take it too far at times.  But in the end, you can't control what he does.  You can only control how you react to what he does.  And if it bothers you, then don't get suckered into it.

There's a handful of fuckwads on this board that like to try to get a rise outta me, too, but I can't control that  All I can do is just control how I react.  Sooner or later when you stop responding, they lose interest.

saturnsky830 reads

I am so sorry you feel the need to be so mean. And you are just as predictable with your hooker hatred. Would it really hurt that much of you made an attempt at being a decent human being on this board?

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hotplants884 reads

CS, if you had CCPA up your ass as far as he gets with the women on this board, I highly doubt you would be preaching the 'turn the other cheek' BS.

Hell, I've seen you get into full on knock down drag-outs with LR over a difference of an actual "opinion". But I don't recall her ever getting on this board and starting a thread for, no other purpose, than to antagonize you.

And, there is nothing helpful about the second string contingent telling us to "lighten-up", and "just ignore him"  and grow a sense of humor.

...blah, blah, blah and bite me. And to state that more like an adult. You advising women on this board to do something you would never do yourself in million years, doesn't hold much water.

crazyshit841 reads

Most of us are guilty of that.

But I think if you take the percentage of my total posts, you might find that I'm not nearly as bad as you make me out to be.  Or maybe I am.

Still...I don't get into this he said/she said drama.  That's petty shit, and most of the drama here is started by the MEN on this board.  It's whiny bitchy guys who can't understand that providers are not substitutes for women that you can have real intimacy with.  They can fulfill a lot of needs, but that isn't one of them.

That's why when I read these "the thrill is gone" threads, I always shake my head because it's inevitably these same jerkoffs who jump in on behalf of the women that don't even want them to.  It's like Chris Farley in "Tommy Boy" saying, "Don't worry, brother, I'll save you!"

As far as LR...you should ask her now how her and I view each other.  And as far as LR antagonizing me by starting a thread on the board...I'm pretty sure it's happened, but that's the past.

I don't honestly give a flying fuck if you get into it with CPA.  I'm not a whiny crybaby who bitches that the board either becomes too boring or that people are cluttering it up.  I really don't give a shit.

I'm just giving you some advice.  If you really want to stop the drama with CPA, then just ignore him.  You won't change him, so don't even try.  Just work on your side, because that's all you can control.

If you want to turn this into a who's who of who wronged who on this board...well, there's a long line, and you better get in back of it.

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There was absolutely nothing in what I just said that was a personal attack on you. I'm not making you out to be good, bad, or otherwise. But, if you took offense at what I just said---which was not at all personal?

If anyone on this board talked to you the way CCPA talks to women on this board? Again, I think you'd be responding very differently.

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CCPA talks on this board that way, I'm convinced, because it is a board and there is anonymity.  I think he is probably way more civil in person, but that's the way these boards work.  It's actually CPA using the board to fuck with people, and for some reason that's how he's wired.

You won't change him at all, so why try?  It's futile to explain to him how you look at it, just as it is futile for him to convince you of his point of view.

Lots of people talk lots of shit on the board.  What I'm trying to say is that CPA does this on purpose...to get a rise out of you.  If you want to keep responding to that, go ahead.  I mean, it's really no skin off my back.  Most of the time I just ignore this drama, anyway.

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I was responding to SS. I know full well CCPA gets off on being a dick and goes out of his way to get a rise out of people. This is not news to me. I've personally been on the receiving end plenty enough.  

And, you can keep thinking me and SS are the same all you like. It's absurd, BTW...but whatever.  

But, for the record, I HATE bullies. And, I HATE seeing other people bullied. And, when I see that happening, 'sometimes' I will respond in their defense. Besides that, I happen to know that SS is a delightful woman, and she really does not deserve the river of shit she gets.

Criminy, if I defended SS every time CCPA decided to sink his teeth into her, I'd never get anything else done.

I own a commercial Land Development/ Spec Construction company, my business partner is an ex working girl who on occasion moonlights on the side. We've known each other for years and honesty has never been an issue. I don't ask for details, don't want to know them, but I know the numbers. Oddly enough, her ex is a neurosurgeon.

When we go to lenders to acquire land we have to take in our past 2 years tax forms, as well as bank statements, our QuickBooks records and so forth. You know the drill.

From what I have seen, it is more than feasible for working girls, even the lower rung ones, to be part of the 1% and to earn in a year close to what medium city neurosurgeons earn. I don't doubt this in the least.  I know that she had the ability to earn the same income, if not more for a shorter time frame,  as her ex did, after tallying in his higher expenses and paying off all of those degrees,  with the difference being, as a working girl she had a shorter life span, but with the right choices in investments from that earned income, can continue to stay at that 1% if she so chooses.

His numbers might have looked like more, BEFORE his expenses, but in the end, they both earned comparably the same.

Not sure why you find it so hard to fathom that some of these ladies, not all of them of course, have the ability to be in that 1% but they do and can.

Why than do some quit with all of that earning potential? I'd have to say the stress levels of being arrested, outed, extorted, abused, beaten up, robbed, and catching an STD outweigh the money and the smart ones eventually use their money to invest in their future.

Or grossly exaggerating the truth.

So you say your partner works occasionally (as in moonlighting) and somehow was/is able to bring in nearly a million dollars a year (using her BF the neurosurgeons mid range income).  Sounds like another golden pussy story to me.  And highly doubtful as well.  Or am I forgetting to subtract nearly 900,000 of annual expenses...or more?

Now let's examine your story.  Since the financial disaster from 2009 lenders have rather stringent methods on loans.  And if indeed your partner has no other sources of income aside from hooking on occasion...what is she showing to a lender?  Sounds like it may indeed be bank fraud.  But I doubt you would participate in that.  Right?  Just remember...ignorance won't be a defense should a loan go into default.

So I guess my question is your definition of the 1%.  I assume this must be less than 100k per annum.  Right?

I will absolutely concur that there are some hookers that make some "big" bucks (as in over 200k per annum).  But just like any bell shaped curve...they are well into the minority.  And rarely are found on sites like TER.  Nope...they are well UTR and aren't getting paid hourly.  It just doesn't work quite that way...or so I hear!

Posted By: Muttontownmutt
I own a commercial Land Development/ Spec Construction company, my business partner is an ex working girl who on occasion moonlights on the side. We've known each other for years and honesty has never been an issue. I don't ask for details, don't want to know them, but I know the numbers. Oddly enough, her ex is a neurosurgeon.

When we go to lenders to acquire land we have to take in our past 2 years tax forms, as well as bank statements, our QuickBooks records and so forth. You know the drill.

From what I have seen, it is more than feasible for working girls, even the lower rung ones, to be part of the 1% and to earn in a year close to what medium city neurosurgeons earn. I don't doubt this in the least.  I know that she had the ability to earn the same income, if not more for a shorter time frame,  as her ex did, after tallying in his higher expenses and paying off all of those degrees,  with the difference being, as a working girl she had a shorter life span, but with the right choices in investments from that earned income, can continue to stay at that 1% if she so chooses.

His numbers might have looked like more, BEFORE his expenses, but in the end, they both earned comparably the same.

Not sure why you find it so hard to fathom that some of these ladies, not all of them of course, have the ability to be in that 1% but they do and can.

Why than do some quit with all of that earning potential? I'd have to say the stress levels of being arrested, outed, extorted, abused, beaten up, robbed, and catching an STD outweigh the money and the smart ones eventually use their money to invest in their future.
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She has basically left the business, but on occasion does moonlight and sees a few that she enjoyed. I don't ask beyond that.

From the tax records that I have been privy to, as well as our CPA who is on staff, when she was working full time she pulled in the high 400k range. Closer to the 500k range. Her ex pulled in significantly more, BUT he also had 300k plus a year in medical malpractice to cover, his office expenses were over 100k a year; rent, insurance for the office, another 50k in equipment, and 300k a year in salaries for his 2 assistant's, his secretary, and receptionist, as well as the addition of their medical benefits. Add in an additional 15-25k for required seminars, travel CPA's, web sites, and those Christmas bonuses.

Her expenses; Advertising, 3k a year, photography, 2k a year, web site 1k a year,  her travel expenses she built into her rate as well as her hotel expenses, but lets just say around 20k a year.

After you figure in all of his expenses, even while earning well over a mill a year, they roughly brought in the same figures.

As to bank fraud. No fraud involved.  long ago she incorporated herself and filed her taxes diligently and correctly. She had no desire to lose anything that she had worked so hard to earn and acquire and wanted to ensure that her future was safe.

As to the stringent requirements from lenders, I am very well versed in them, seeing that our average land acquisition is well over several mil, before we develop it, as well as the loans and credit lines we must secure for our equipment which ranges in the 200-300k range, and salaries that we must cover, we are looked over with a fine tooth comb, especially as we build in what is considered a flood and national disaster zone, the requirements we must meet are even tougher.

She was never truly a part of the TER zone, and you're correct in that she went after a different market, but she did know other ladies who were on TER and their numbers were similar.



Oh...several million.  Sounds about right.

And the hooker sold her business for....nothing.

We could go on...but since you'll make up more drivel which I can't possibly substantiate...lets just say...

Too many holes in your story.  BTW how does incorporating a personal service business afford any owner protection?  Let alone one that is not licensed or legal?

If you want to continue this....feel free to PM me.

Posted By: Muttontownmutt
She has basically left the business, but on occasion does moonlight and sees a few that she enjoyed. I don't ask beyond that.

From the tax records that I have been privy to, as well as our CPA who is on staff, when she was working full time she pulled in the high 400k range. Closer to the 500k range. Her ex pulled in significantly more, BUT he also had 300k plus a year in medical malpractice to cover, his office expenses were over 100k a year; rent, insurance for the office, another 50k in equipment, and 300k a year in salaries for his 2 assistant's, his secretary, and receptionist, as well as the addition of their medical benefits. Add in an additional 15-25k for required seminars, travel CPA's, web sites, and those Christmas bonuses.

Her expenses; Advertising, 3k a year, photography, 2k a year, web site 1k a year,  her travel expenses she built into her rate as well as her hotel expenses, but lets just say around 20k a year.

After you figure in all of his expenses, even while earning well over a mill a year, they roughly brought in the same figures.

As to bank fraud. No fraud involved.  long ago she incorporated herself and filed her taxes diligently and correctly. She had no desire to lose anything that she had worked so hard to earn and acquire and wanted to ensure that her future was safe.

As to the stringent requirements from lenders, I am very well versed in them, seeing that our average land acquisition is well over several mil, before we develop it, as well as the loans and credit lines we must secure for our equipment which ranges in the 200-300k range, and salaries that we must cover, we are looked over with a fine tooth comb, especially as we build in what is considered a flood and national disaster zone, the requirements we must meet are even tougher.

She was never truly a part of the TER zone, and you're correct in that she went after a different market, but she did know other ladies who were on TER and their numbers were similar.



She didn't, but she could have easily sold her little black book.  As to him selling his practice, it would be a tough one, as he is the head of the neurological dept where he works, and it is technically the hospitals, although they make him pay his own malpractice, office space rent and salaries. And with the new obamacare on its way down the tubes, most Docs are getting out at a loss.

It doesn't afford any  protection as far as being audited, neither does yours or mine, but it did allow her to file, for all of her earnings, and the last I knew, being an entertainer/consultant is legal, and in certain states is licensed.

Don't understand nor do I comprehend your level of distaste or malice towards these ladies. Being an educated man I would think you would rather celebrate the fact that in this realm there are ladies who you would be compatible with on other levels besides the physical.

My inbox is open.

Posted By: Muttontownmutt
She didn't, but she could have easily sold her little black book.  As to him selling his practice, it would be a tough one, as he is the head of the neurological dept where he works, and it is technically the hospitals, although they make him pay his own malpractice, office space rent and salaries. And with the new obamacare on its way down the tubes, most Docs are getting out at a loss.

It doesn't afford any  protection as far as being audited, neither does yours or mine, but it did allow her to file, for all of her earnings, and the last I knew, being an entertainer/consultant is legal, and in certain states is licensed.

Don't understand nor do I comprehend your level of distaste or malice towards these ladies. Being an educated man I would think you would rather celebrate the fact that in this realm there are ladies who you would be compatible with on other levels besides the physical.

crazyshit907 reads

I am having a hard time imagining how this gets reported to the IRS.

Where is CPA getting that neurosurgeons make a million dollars a year?  Everywhere I read says they make about half of that if not less.

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Or are you actually looking at any kind of proof that said provider made in the $500k/year range.  Because if you do the math, that would be some kinda numbers.

Say she charges $1k/hour and gets it.  At $500k/year, that's 500 hours worked.  Divide that by 52 weeks, and that's just under 10 hours a week.

I find it really, really hard to believe that a girl charging $1k/hour (which is arguably the 1% of what providers charge) are seeing the equivalent of 10 appointments per week, which is two per day, assuming five days/week.

I can see how the ANNUALIZED number based on an hourly rate might make some sense, but as far as provider making $500k/year?  Possible, not likely.  Not even probable.

Seriously dude.  Grow a pair and leave the girls alone.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Posted By: saturnsky
You consider hookers dumb...well some are, some are not, but here's the kicker, us dumb hookers get $$$ and up an hour to simply suck a bit of dick, and fuck all those super intelligent men that the women of the world (wives included) find too gross to fuck.

So, while you smart guys make all the money, it saddens me that you still have to pay some dumb hooker to pretend to give a shit and make you believe that she is interested in your ass (and you do) *laughing all the way to the bank*.

Oh and I get help typing  as I can't read or write and can barely dress myself. But I can still make more per hour than what a reallllyyyy smart neurosurgoen makes ....hmmm.
Now she has gone back to modify this post taking out the insane comment about making more than a neurosurgeon.  But I still think that this faux hooker honestly bought that she is making real bucks sucking off johns that she hates.

I have had too many chats with you ladies on how you perceive your trade.  And none...as in NOT one gal is so delusional that they honestly equate that they are in the upper echelon of earners.  NOT by a long shot in most cases.

So how often do any of you others honestly look at yourself in the mirror and convince yourselves that you are in the top 1%?

And in a case like the bitter old lesbian saturn...why in the fuck would you (or any other man hating hooker) put up with sucking and fucking the very johns you purport to hate?  If indeed you made even as much as most "neurosurgeons" paid in taxes.  And guess what toots....most of the "hobbyists" that lurk here make more than most neurosurgeons...at least the entrepreneurs I am involved with do.

Most well off folks don't get paid by the hour.  Just sayin  LOL

But to just clarify...I didn't get involved.

I fucking started the thread.

Hey...don't you have a few more hookers to give 10/10's to?

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Some girls make TONS of money (I knew one who was about 3k/day). Some girls hate their clients and their jobs. Sometimes the two groups intersect.

Be fun to watch the gals who love this gig and make a decent living with it in a room full of man haters and fugly's.

Can you arrange this for some of us to witness.  I'll bet there's some big money in that scene  LOL

Posted By: tg_baby
Some girls make TONS of money (I knew one who was about 3k/day). Some girls hate their clients and their jobs. Sometimes the two groups intersect.

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Who made 3k per day was the most miserable, messed-up person I ever met. She hated her job.

Some girls are great PERFORMERS and that's how they bring in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rather than the $$$$$$$.

When you are picky about who you see and want to enjoy the clients you see...you won't see as many clients.

You get paid more $$$$$$$ for dealing wth assholes and gross guys and making it convincing, sorry.

Any chance we can get that put together?

I know we could get a bunch of guys (and probably some gals) who would love to see this messed up meeting live.

Hmm...webcam it?

I called it first...my cut is 51%.  Cash only  :D

Posted By: tg_baby
Who made 3k per day was the most miserable, messed-up person I ever met. She hated her job.

Some girls are great PERFORMERS and that's how they bring in the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rather than the $$$$$$$.

When you are picky about who you see and want to enjoy the clients you see...you won't see as many clients.

You get paid more $$$$$$$ for dealing wth assholes and gross guys and making it convincing, sorry.

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I'm speaking from direct knowledge, not conjecture or speculation.

I'm not saying that this is indicative of all girls. As we know, everyone is different.

BUT, I'd make more $$ if I was willing to deal with more shh**. However, if I did that, I'd probably hate my job.

I'd never in a million years give up my sanity or health to make 3000/day. But, some girls do and they ARE richly rewarded for it.

I don't doubt that EC is telling the truth that hookers don't share with other hookers what they make.

I DO doubt that a hooker will earn 3k a day...every fucking day of the year.  That gets her to $ 1M

But if she was also doing other less than legal activities as part of her repertoire....sure.  Then it's not based on an hourly rate.

And would account for her poor judgment and loss of everything.

Posted By: tg_baby
I'm speaking from direct knowledge, not conjecture or speculation.

I'm not saying that this is indicative of all girls. As we know, everyone is different.

BUT, I'd make more $$ if I was willing to deal with more shh**. However, if I did that, I'd probably hate my job.

I'd never in a million years give up my sanity or health to make 3000/day. But, some girls do and they ARE richly rewarded for it.

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Now that's just plain wrong.

I don't know Edrienne and she operates in a very different way than most girls do. I'm not commenting on her business model or what she does or makes.

As I said below, I work in NYC...the market there is unusual, and for a girl with hype, 3k is doable. And this girl never told ME what she made. But I can do math, and I was pretty familiar w/her schedule.

OK, so let's underestimate and say she make 2k per day (it was more, trust me). Still makes a damn good salary!

If I had to tell clients that they make a third less than they really do...I might have to take up being a hooker!  

So just to clarify...that's every day...as in 365 days (except for leap years...then 366 days).  No days off...right?  

Just like to know the facts....it helps in understanding the issue.

And of course I trust you.  Why wouldn't I.  No one lies on the internet  :D

Posted By: tg_baby
Now that's just plain wrong.

I don't know Edrienne and she operates in a very different way than most girls do. I'm not commenting on her business model or what she does or makes.

As I said below, I work in NYC...the market there is unusual, and for a girl with hype, 3k is doable. And this girl never told ME what she made. But I can do math, and I was pretty familiar w/her schedule.

OK, so let's underestimate and say she make 2k per day (it was more, trust me). Still makes a damn good salary!

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I was using the 2k to make a hypothetical point, that even IF it was JUST 2k (it wasn't), that's still a ton of money.

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CCPA, I frequently enjoy your posts.

I just can't understand why you don't believe that a girl can't hate her job AND make serious $$.

That's a fundamental truth for me, and borne by what I have directly experienced in this line of work. The more your stress/aggravation, the more you make.

can't make money "fleecing" her johns.

Quite honestly I know of many "man haters" in the game who do quite well.

But still most make less than any 1% earner...by A LOT.

Still they can stay off public aid and welfare...and don't need to work at McD's.  

And unfortunately each gal has stress...at least those that I know.  And no...they don't get paid a nickel more for it.  They get paid what the market will pay...and if they suck in session...it's a fairly short career.  Even for those that are good at faking it...still the toll that it takes sucks (no pun intended) the life out of many.

My comments to you on your example is that people like to look in other's pockets.  But the reality is what you see is typically not the real story.  I've been involved with too many forensic situations to not understand the games that some play to avoid taxes...discovery...and the like.  But in the end, as I said earlier...most have well overestimated what they have.  Especially soon to be ex-wives who have no clue.

It's not a whole lot different when looking at the "typical" working gal here.  You and others assume that because hooker Jane is driving a new high end car she's making a boat load of money.  Unfortunately that is rarely the real story.

But unless a gal is keeping detailed records...the real numbers will never be known..either to her or anyone else.  And most don't!

But there are ways to get to a reasonable estimate...as in within 10% of the real numbers.  You (and any other hooker who thinks they're smarter than the system) don't want to find out the hard way.  It isn't fun.

Just saying  :D

Posted By: tg_baby
CCPA, I frequently enjoy your posts.

I just can't understand why you don't believe that a girl can't hate her job AND make serious $$.

That's a fundamental truth for me, and borne by what I have directly experienced in this line of work. The more your stress/aggravation, the more you make.

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That money is REAL, and she's not the only one in NYC making it like that.

But she is neither rich nor wealthy  (no small stuff at Bloomingdale's, but pricely real estate, ill-placed stocks, giving bf money to see hookers (not kidding), etc. ). YES, hookers can make REAL money. Not sure if she paid taxes or not, so you may have a point there. But as a home owner, I'd bet she did.

I don't think I"m smarter than the system at all. In fact, I think that I don't work the system enough, lol. I've seen how it's done, but your comment "still the toll that it takes sucks (no pun intended) the life out of many" is too true. I've seen that, too.

I've got a few gals now that are gearing up towards buying a home.  But the numbers have to be there to show to a prospective lender.  Those that have all cash still need to launder the money.  And yep...still an easy trail to pick up at any time.  And if someone has not shown how they "paid cash"...oopss!

And in nearly every case it is Schedule C (SubChapter S or LLC is essentially the same for this purpose) earnings...with no real documentation.  We can't show sales invoices or projections, per se.  And with the change in lending requirements...no doc loans are virtually non-existent.

So if the story you shared was pre-2007 I could see some lenders getting involved with your pal.  Now...not so much.  Most lenders want NOTHING to do with cash basis businesses.  As well as brokerage houses.  Showing up with $ 500,000 in Benjamins is not a good plan.  And is all reportable.

So therein lies a problem for many gals.  Don't show the income and not pay taxes.  Or somehow show it, hope they get a CPA who is helpful in showing how to show a good top line...while eliminating or reducing materially the taxable line.

A conundrum to say the least  :D

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Don't know anything about finance, lol. I'll tell you that for me, I made anywhere from 0-3000/day (3000 being an overnight). Average depended. As an agency, $1000 was excellent...400-600 was normal. (Those were days I worked). As an indy, (days I worked) I made 500-2000, 2000 being REALLY GOOD lol.

But if you're hyped (I was never) 3k is nothing in a day. At least not in NYC, sorry.

I just want to address one other point you brought up. When you said that girls who have more stress DON'T get paid more. Maybe in some markets that is true. But that's not true in my market. If I 'did' more of those things I would NEVER wanna do with clients I'd NEVER wanna see, then guess what? I'd make more $$. That's how they hype machine works there. But I do feel that it's present to some extent in other markets. For instance, if a girl does anal with every single client who wants it...and allows him to be as rough as he wants...that will be reflected in her reviews, and good reviews beget more business.

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worked four days at first, then increased her schedule to keep up w/her debts (yes, she was a millionaire many times over but a very unwise person and mismanaged her $$$).

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Yep...most multi-millionaires are on their knees sucking dick from people they dislike.

Put together the screenplay and see if you can sell that to Hollywood.

And if you can Jennifer Lawrence to star in it...you might make some money.

Just don't share it with your riches-to-rags hooker pal  :D

Posted By: tg_baby
worked Mon-Thurs at first (incall) then started working on Fridays as well to keep up w/her debts (yes, she was a millionaire many times over but a very unwise person and mismanaged her $$$).

tg_baby986 reads

Some girls hate their job AND make lot of $$$$$. It's called performance.

I work in NYC...the market there is rather unusual so the $$ figure might seem high...but for a girl there with tons of hype, that's very doable.

I'm not saying it's everyone. I never made close to that amount (unless I had an overnight, lol). But I don't hate my clients or my job...and I stand by my statement that if I were willing to see guys I didn't like (AND keep my performance up) I would make significantly more $$ than I do now.

In every part of life.

Now...how about orchestrating that melee?

Much easier than sucking dick for a living...right?

Posted By: tg_baby
Some girls hate their job AND make lot of $$$$$. It's called performance.

I work in NYC...the market there is rather unusual so the $$ figure might seem high...but for a girl there with tons of hype, that's very doable.

I'm not saying it's everyone. I never made close to that amount (unless I had an overnight, lol). But I don't hate my clients or my job...and I stand by my statement that if I were willing to see guys I didn't like (AND keep my performance up) I would make significantly more $$ than I do now.

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The point I'm trying to make is that it's absolutely possible to hate your job AND to make tons of $$.

I hated my job sometimes at an agency...and sometimes, my performance was better because it HAD to be. I didn't get paid the big bucks, but I was new then and forked over half of what I made. If I knew then what I know now...

But now I won't see most of those men who I had to PERFORM for. I see men I enjoy, and I "like" my job.

Some girls are good PERFORMERS. I can be, but it's just not someplace I ever want to go again, no matter what the $$ I could make.

I actually enjoy being with. It feels so much better and I wouldn't change it for the world. Thank goodness for choice!...and being able to just see who we want.

She said that no hookers tell anyone the truth about what they make.

So why would tg be any different?

Nah...my point was that most hookers don't have any fucking clue in reality.  And overestimate what they really made...by A LOT.

We could do the math...and you did.  It doesn't work!

But don't tell some of these hookers that  LOL

Posted By: bluepillman
That would be over a mil a year if so.

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I've seen several posts lately where the ladies are all into themselves.  Maybe they should think about how short their "careers" are and that they are only trading time and self worth for money for a very short time until their "ass"ets deplete or droop away.

i just looked up the word " Gibberish"..this came up..

I didn't even read the entire train wreck, but wow!  This seems to be the nastiest poo-fest in recent memory, and certainly in the year since TER (in its infinite wisdom) installed Die Neue Ordnung here. Say, guys, how's that workin' out for ya?  I mean, now that all the nasty boys have left and everyone's playing nice without the mods?  Is everybody in The Monkey House happy?  Seems not.  Keep up the good work!

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Some may have left. But, the void was quickly filled.

That's what this joint needs...more estrogen!

Posted By: hotplants
Some may have left. But, the void was quickly filled.

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Simply petition the Admin of the board. I am sure you can convince them that we are a blight in the dick pool. And it's comments like this one that give me a very strong impression that you have an issue with women.

Do you honestly believe they like what they do? Its a job for them ..and no matter what job someone does I have rarely met one who loves it...

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