The below is just my $.02 and there is no wrong path, except for trying to stand on both sides.
Path #1 - Outside P2P, a relationship will not work. The provider truly views what she does as a job that is and will be her only source of income, until such time she retires because of age, money, etc. This could lead to semi private lessons so to speak, but in the end the lure of the money would outweigh any one on one relationship. It would be impossible to compete with the view of, I need new shoes, let me go accept a couple of appointments. Another view - complete emotional disconnect. Because money is the driver, a monthly agreeable amount is impossible because the provider would simply use X(men) x Y ($ per hour) = monthly revenue. Path #2 - Possible, though difficult, to have a one on one relationship. The provider views this as a tactical way to raise money to accomplish her "real" goals. Not a save me from this mentality. An intelligent choice to gain the capital she needs to, start a business, go to school, etc. If this is the path, the calculation and relationship becomes more realistic because she is viewing this as, I need X dollars a month to do life plus X dollars a month to focus and accomplish my goals. The only (my opinion) no win situation is when there is one foot on each path. It could create an emotional roller coaster for both parties because there is no clarity on the path / relationship. I am not a psychologist, nor do I play one on TV :0Did you ever receive an offer from a client who wanted you out of the hobby?
How much would you consider to be reasonable on a monthly or yearly basis as a "kept woman"?
Will you or would you have quite the hobby for a client who was willing to give you the requested reasonable amount upfront?
Would you cheat(secretly hobby) during the arrangement?
Why OR why not;would you take the offer?
Chemistry is one thing, professionalism is another, money is a factor..
Namaste
z
I forget how many reviews you must have to gain access, but she's got around 15 I think. So it would be helpful to clue her in about that, and perhaps you already have. If not, maybe someone should. In fact, because we all know the PO and RO boards leak like sieves, it's probably better to solicit this kind of info by PM.
I was just with someone yesterday who's in a SB/SD relationship and will see other men. I don't know what the financial deal is and wouldn't post it here if I did.
other things such as who has reviewed the hooker and posting history etc..
Its not as easy to get in as getting in on the RO board - at least that's what I am told.
As for Zoe, I know her history here but I also have a good friend in this game who's been with all the top girls and he thinks she's amazing to be with. So if I had the coin to see her, I would. But her rate is simply not affordable to me if it's the one published here.
As for the RO board, I used to be a member and thought it was a waste of time. I have not applied for re-entry.
but somehow I doubt it. As for the RO board, let me simply say that having a lot of reviews doesn't make a guy the least bit smarter where it comes to the hobby, nor does it weed out the suckups, manginas and White Knights, even when there are no ladies around to be "impressed"
and yes, believe it or not, I used to have access to the RO board myself, and no I don't miss it even a little.
As for the OP's question, I think any guy who believes that his Sugar Baby or any woman that he is paying to be with him isn't fucking someone else is deluding himself A woman is only going to be faithful if she wants to be, not because she is paid to.
I see two scenarios where a woman is going to be faithful in this situation, one is that she is genuinely in love, the other would be a woman who really doesn't like sex and is happy to have enough money not to have to fuck anyone else.
That's as lame as it gets.
The moment someone says something mean about them. It made me ashamed to be a hobbyist, which is the reason I always refer to myself as a "whore monger" and never as a "hobbyist"
You are right though, it's as lame as it can get.
As for the RO board, I used to be a member and thought it was a waste of time. I have not applied for re-entry.
Reviewer Only and Provider Only.
Contact admin for access.
Such as Zoe would be granted access.
But this is a delicate matter that has been discussed before and just isn't done in front of men.
I will say this if she doesn't gain access -- don't allow either party to cross emotional lines. Once that happens you're screwed.
Some guy was serious I'm sure her would have a proposal , how does one ask another what's good ? Also any serious guy would have a contract ...not uncommon for him to set something up with an attorney ...yes its always existed and the woman is a mistress ! If not then its a paid gf and most likely won't last long just my honest opinion ...know as far as being a regular which I'd say 99% of the time these things are again it comes down to what works ..kept lady could also back fire as she is not building clientele and in a year or so has to start from step 1 again so its flipping a coin again IMHO....
P.S. your so damn hotttttttttttttttt xoxoxo...
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But this is a delicate matter that has been discussed before and just isn't done in front of men.
I will say this if she doesn't gain access -- don't allow either party to cross emotional lines. Once that happens you're screwed.
Verbal promises are almost worthless nowadays.
But if you can't pay to play don't get butthurt when someone (s) else can.
Mistresses and side girlfriends are great but 'hush money' has always been a necessity
And doubt most men know what it entails ....and believe to many ladies will think its easy when of really isn't ..being a "kept woman" isnt for everyone and involves 2 smart individuals ..and doubt most are ..
xoxoxo....
But if you can't pay to play don't get butthurt when someone (s) else can.
Mistresses and side girlfriends are great but 'hush money' has always been a necessity.
But it's in some people's nature to want more of a relationship. And I'd say the SD/SB thing is more honest than marriage. I know a great gal who just started with that but she's still seeing her friends, too. I like that in a girl.
Your down words , she's seeing other guys ????? That's not a SB , that's a dumb ass guy ! Sorry but , I don't get it .know I know guys who have complete homes for multiple girls , one to the family and one for the mistress...and those ladies arent playing around ...the guys wouldnt go for it ...but its a trend know with this SD/SB thing so , who knows ....????
She was willing to be exclusive but found out his was playing around when she was away. So she figured, "if he can, I can."
Fair's fair, right?
Really love each other , no girl is gonna sit around doing nothing ?????? I don't know , and common its a relationship and she got jealous ??
See my opinion you can't BUY love or like ....temporary yes long term ??? No...
Fair's fair, right?
Well, as I think I said above, I have no interest in such a deal. I prefer variety. Even with the gals I love the best i don't see them more than every couple of months. I am just a slut at heart.
And as David Lee Roth sang , I'm just a gigolo !!!!!
I won't go into details but YES... I'd love to be a kept woman with the right man.
and NO.. wouldn't 'date other men. (unless he didn't mind .. which happens , believe it or not)
the right man would be taking care of me completely as well as making sure I was financially secure for the future.
the right man would be my friend and benefactor. Much more than a SD
Turd bangshisowncock ! And number1 hobbit is getting the spoty not the Pulitzer ! But good luck with your new adventure ..........
How much would you consider to be reasonable on a monthly or yearly basis as a "kept woman"?
Will you or would you have quite the hobby for a client who was willing to give you the requested reasonable amount upfront?
Would you cheat(secretly hobby) during the arrangement?
Why OR why not;would you take the offer?
Chemistry is one thing, professionalism is another, money is a factor..
Namaste
zp
What's the client going to do fire you?
I'd like to see the vengeful review, where the guy complains his hooker was unfaithful to him.
If I met someone in the hobby who wanted me as a "kept woman?" HHHHMMMM, I would have to think about that. I absolutely LOVE my independence on being who I want to be with, when I want to be with them, in the way I would like to. I experienced having a great "Sugar Daddy" in my life. He helped me open the business I have today. Unfortunately, he is not around now and I realized how much he crippled me by giving me EVERYTHING I ever wanted.
SD is not always worth having, but a great experience to have one.
Be smart if that's the route you decide to take.
Smooches!
.."a kept woman" infers marriage. Yes I would do it hehe
I certainly hope every1 isn't so superficial as to let love slip away
although marriage is the ulitmate in P4P, I am sure that is not what the OP is talking about.
You are using "infer" incorrectly. Please see below, or get a rap on the knuckles from Conan, too.
"The terms infer and imply are often confused. A writer or speaker implies something, meaning that it is indicated or suggested without being explicitly stated:
“When the CEO stated that the company would not rule out paying a dividend to shareholders this year, she implied that a dividend may be paid.”
"Conversely, a reader or listener infers (or draws an inference) from something by drawing conclusions that are not explicit in what is said:
“When the CEO stated that she would not rule out paying a dividend to shareholders this year, the shareholders inferred that the board of directors had recently rethought the issue of dividend payments, since they were not in favour of a payment a month ago.”
He is going to look awfully foolish with that ruler stuck up his ass. lmao
you and what army of Wu's pigs gonna kick Conan's ass? Remember Conan's motto. Do not incur his wrath or this is what will happen to you and Wu
I would hate to have to pay to buy a new pig for that Cock sucking celestial, but it will still be that last we hear from "Conan the Pedantic"
an extremely unlike scenario, given his massive guns, The Cunning Linguist always carries a Walther PPK, which he will shove up your ass and empty the clip. Then he will feed you to Wu's pigs and everyone will be happy. Well...almost everyone. Look at it this way, your funeral cortege will be incredibly long, consisting mainly of CR Ticas and Asiian (or Oriental) hookers. What a way to go.
besides Wu's pigs will already be full from chowing down on that lard ass Conan, and if you've ever fired a Walther PPK you know that the only way you can actually hit someone with one is to literally stick it up someones ass. It's one of the most inaccurate pistols I've ever owned.
and don't worry, when i off Conan, it won't be with a wimpy little weapon like a Walther PPK. My mother carries more firepower than a Walther.
But that makes one handy as a suppository, lol! And, believe me, you haven't fired an inaccurate pistol until you've tried a Colt .38 Detective Special. With it's 2" barrel you might as well throw it at someone if they're more than 15 feet away.
And, yes, that implies it's inaccurate. So if that is what you inferred, you are correct!
You're welcome.
My mother used to collect them, and yes she also carried one, and one day we decided to take "target practice" with a couple of them. The target was a five gallon bucket place a little less than ten feet away, from that range I could piss into it easily, but I could not hit it a single time with either of the Derringers. It's truly a weapon that you need to actually be touching the target to be sure of hitting it. A snub nose revolver is like a sniper's rifle in comparison.
I have made a correct inference.
PS: And just to be an even bigger pain in the ass, TCL asked me to correct your last subject line, which makes an incorrect implication that I said a Colt Detective Special is the most inaccurate pistol in the world. You incorrectly inferred that was what I meant, when I did not. What I stated -- and did not even imply -- was that the Colt was less accurate than a Walther PPK.
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I had a PPK/S (I wish I had all the guns I've bought over the years). It was accurate for a pocket pistol, but wouldn't feed anything but ball ammo. Hollowpoints, wadcutters, everything else jammed. Sent it back to the factory and it still didn't work..
I sold it to a cop. I told him about the feed problems, but he didn't care. He pulled up to my place in his car with personalized plates that read "MGNUM". He had a S&W t-shirt on, and a baseball cap that read "Go Ahead. Make My Day". I don't think he cared if the gun jammed or not. He just wanted the panache of a PPK/S as a backup pistol.
.I didn't agree with how it was phrased. I've never heard the phrase "kept woman" in any other context outside of being a homemaker. I only have a 7yr history in P4P and I have been a SB but I never considered myself "kept" until I wed.
there are many who define it differently.
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=kept+woman&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=kept+woman+definition&revid=1071003705&rls=en
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Based on five Sugar daddy situations in the past, let's use this as a "BA Degree OR equivalent experience."
Did you ever receive an offer from a client who wanted you out of the hobby? Yes
How much would you consider to be reasonable on a monthly or yearly basis as a "kept woman"? $24,000 (i.e. something they'd never pay so they don't ask)
Will you or would you have qite the hobby for a client who was willing to give you the requested reasonable amount upfront? (Once they have you financially, they feel they have all of you. A lot of them feel they can say whatever they want. If you really want it, know you'll be working a LOT, and that's your job. If you decide to try it out, (I never got past a week, I don't put up with shit,) start saving your pennies so you can get out as soon as you can, and unless signed over to you, give them anything under their name when you leave. i.e. have a plan. I'd suggest going in with savings.)
Would you cheat (secretly hobby) during the arrangement? (No. Weird enough, I feel weird cheating… but really, don't want a man going ape-shit on me. But then again, I won't do it anyway.)
Why OR why not; would you take the offer?
1. You're their slave
2. They change because money is power
3. They become your source of income and you are no longer independent
4. You're a slave
5. They'd start giving less and less and negotiating bc the relationship is 'growing'.
6. You're not, but you FEEL like a slave after a while
7. You may have to live with them.
8. You usually have to have unprotected sex to pass the test, and they may be mongering still… would you trust 'em? Another reason I didn't last a week
9. What if they lose their job or income?
10. Anything they give you, car, home, etc. you cannot have a man in. (reasonable?). Even if it's just a friend. And they will check. Too many limits and eggshells.
Chemistry is one thing, professionalism is another, money is a factor..
It's weird. Seeing a man for a few hours once or twice / month, you can be great… but a lot of times they expect you to be that great all the time, and that's impossible… especially for me, lol. And they will complain.
The only situations I have ever had were men and women who have voluntarily, with no arrangement, helped me out like a 'damsel in distress'… when I really needed it, but they didn't enable me to be a taker or lazy, which was good. They also hated it when I'd tease them and call them daddy, LOL.
Good luck.
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To read how this plays out in real life. Pretty much what I'd expect, actually...expectation of 24/7 delivery of the "one hour you," money equals power and control, etc. That's quite a hard-earned equivalent degree you have there! 
Anyone should use their own judgment. BUT. If the guy is pressuring a girl, wipe everything out and that's consideration enough to say 'NO!'
Controlling. Even if they sound nice.
Interesting to here what changes from a Hobbyist POV?
Did you ever receive an offer from a client who wanted you out of the hobby? Yes
How much would you consider to be reasonable on a monthly or yearly basis as a "kept woman"? $24,000 (i.e. something they'd never pay so they don't ask)
Will you or would you have qite the hobby for a client who was willing to give you the requested reasonable amount upfront? (Once they have you financially, they feel they have all of you. A lot of them feel they can say whatever they want. If you really want it, know you'll be working a LOT, and that's your job. If you decide to try it out, (I never got past a week, I don't put up with shit,) start saving your pennies so you can get out as soon as you can, and unless signed over to you, give them anything under their name when you leave. i.e. have a plan. I'd suggest going in with savings.)
Would you cheat (secretly hobby) during the arrangement? (No. Weird enough, I feel weird cheating… but really, don't want a man going ape-shit on me. But then again, I won't do it anyway.)
Why OR why not; would you take the offer?
1. You're their slave
2. They change because money is power
3. They become your source of income and you are no longer independent
4. You're a slave
5. They'd start giving less and less and negotiating bc the relationship is 'growing'.
6. You're not, but you FEEL like a slave after a while
7. You may have to live with them.
8. You usually have to have unprotected sex to pass the test, and they may be mongering still… would you trust 'em? Another reason I didn't last a week
9. What if they lose their job or income?
10. Anything they give you, car, home, etc. you cannot have a man in. (reasonable?). Even if it's just a friend. And they will check. Too many limits and eggshells.
Chemistry is one thing, professionalism is another, money is a factor..
It's weird. Seeing a man for a few hours once or twice / month, you can be great… but a lot of times they expect you to be that great all the time, and that's impossible… especially for me, lol. And they will complain.
The only situations I have ever had were men and women who have voluntarily, with no arrangement, helped me out like a 'damsel in distress'… when I really needed it, but they didn't enable me to be a taker or lazy, which was good. They also hated it when I'd tease them and call them daddy, LOL.
Good luck.
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How much would you pay?
is not easy as it appeared upon first reading.
The below is just my $.02 and there is no wrong path, except for trying to stand on both sides.
Path #1 - Outside P2P, a relationship will not work.
The provider truly views what she does as a job that is and will be her only source of income, until such time she retires because of age, money, etc.
This could lead to semi private lessons so to speak, but in the end the lure of the money would outweigh any one on one relationship. It would be impossible to compete with the view of, I need new shoes, let me go accept a couple of appointments. Another view - complete emotional disconnect.
Because money is the driver, a monthly agreeable amount is impossible because the provider would simply use X(men) x Y ($ per hour) = monthly revenue.
Path #2 - Possible, though difficult, to have a one on one relationship.
The provider views this as a tactical way to raise money to accomplish her "real" goals. Not a save me from this mentality. An intelligent choice to gain the capital she needs to, start a business, go to school, etc.
If this is the path, the calculation and relationship becomes more realistic because she is viewing this as, I need X dollars a month to do life plus X dollars a month to focus and accomplish my goals.
The only (my opinion) no win situation is when there is one foot on each path. It could create an emotional roller coaster for both parties because there is no clarity on the path / relationship.
I am not a psychologist, nor do I play one on TV :0
I actually understood that,,, lol. Makes a lot of sense. Option number two is a partnership.
Money or influence than the other.
It's very difficult to have a partnership in a p2p relationship because
1. Not all Johns want the best for their hooker. Some are very selfish.
2. Sometimes the hooker THINKS she wants to do this one thing where as at the time it's a fleeting thought and her source of income will still be on hooking.
3. The hooker actually has shit together and the John thinks #2 is happening.
4. Manipulation on both ends.
5. One or both parties can't hold up their end of the bargain.
6. Lack of written contract.
7. One or both parties can't maintain their own business agenda due to focus on the 'common partnership' or vice vers
they always have an agenda and therefore must feel like they have an upper hand.
Well said.
It really is impossible IMO. UNLESS… you're willing to take all the shit they want to give you just to get the money. Takes a toll on you.
I wonder, missariarocchi, if really guys do the Sugar Daddy thing for that very reason. They're controlling and no one would put up with their shit, so they'll pay for someone to.
That was my big problem. I didn't put up with shit and they got pissed. I'm not one for a relationship where two are always butting heads or yelling. I like peace.
But again, I think in a lot of cases … John wants control, to get his way all the time, and has to pay to get it, Hooker wants money and will give all control over for it.
May I add to number 2, the spending is very difficult to stop. It takes discipline, especially when you're so used to having the ability to make money quickly when you need it by different strategies in advertising as a provider. Once there's a budget, that's it… unless she does providing on the side.
I just feel for those who get caught. Who knows what would happen.
That way. You should be treated w respect. Mutual. Makes you wonder, why should they treat you any different than a "real" girlfriend? Maybe the ones you have experienced are just douche bags. It sounds like that has jaded your view a bit. I couldn't imagine treating someone like that.
I wonder, missariarocchi, if really guys do the Sugar Daddy thing for that very reason. They're controlling and no one would put up with their shit, so they'll pay for someone to.
That was my big problem. I didn't put up with shit and they got pissed. I'm not one for a relationship where two are always butting heads or yelling. I like peace.
But again, I think in a lot of cases … John wants control, to get his way all the time, and has to pay to get it, Hooker wants money and will give all control over for it.
May I add to number 2, the spending is very difficult to stop. It takes discipline, especially when you're so used to having the ability to make money quickly when you need it by different strategies in advertising as a provider. Once there's a budget, that's it… unless she does providing on the side.
I just feel for those who get caught. Who knows what would happen.
I would assume a man thinks because he's paying, he should have a fantasy relationship…
"I can act like this, and no consequences. I can shut her mouth with money."
Here's a requirement I heard many times… "Whenever you're with me, I want you to be in a good mood, pampered up, in a good mood, and NO DRAMA."
My response. "What if a family member dies?"
Really? Yeah. Sorry, not for me. Honey, they're really like that. I've (tried) in five, spoken to dozens. It's total BS. It's one in a million IMO, to find one who is as perfect as he wants his SB to be.
These weren't clients BTW.
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Those types of experiences make it hard not to be cynical and jaded for future relationships / partnerships
Potentially ruining the right one before it ever has a chance.
Good luck Courtney
"I can act like this, and no consequences. I can shut her mouth with money."
Here's a requirement I heard many times… "Whenever you're with me, I want you to be in a good mood, pampered up, in a good mood, and NO DRAMA."
My response. "What if a family member dies?"
Really? Yeah. Sorry, not for me. Honey, they're really like that. I've (tried) in five, spoken to dozens. It's total BS. It's one in a million IMO, to find one who is as perfect as he wants his SB to be.
These weren't clients BTW.
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I tried to be as real as possible and break it down to something that was an easy read but had some meat on the bone (so to speak).
£70, 000 a year signed in a lawyers office over seven years so I can go off and study law and become the best mature kick ass lawyer ever. My dream and bec of family troubles while at school nev got to achieve it.