Your lack of basic manners and tact is apparent not only in your entire post, but especially in the last sentence. Your opinion of me is unwarranted in this thread, it had nothing to do with the original post. It's only purpose was to satiate your need to be nasty and mean-spirited. For the record, based upon your negative attitude and vile nature, you could never pay me enough.
Best,
Kate
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If you normally spend the average amount when seeing a provider, let's say $300 per hour, when will you spend more? A lot more?
Must she be 'overly educated'?
Does she need to look like a classic movie star?
Perhaps she never says no to anything, ever?
Her natural ability to carry herself, regardless of great looks or education, with poise, grace and confidence?
A mix of everything listed above?
Or does it need to simply be "the one" who just "does it" for you, possibly without rhyme or reason, just plain chemistry?
Lastly, have you seen an "average" provider you felt should charge and advertise as a High Dollar Hottie? On the flip side, have you seen one of these elusive ladies only to think they were really quite average?
Kate Bishop
Kate;
I will spend whatever I need to, go so far as to travel clear across the country, to see a lady who has grabbed my attention.
I have done so.
I flew across the country to meet a lady who fascinated me and we spent the night together.
It wasn't just about sex, either. We had communicated extensively for several months prior to decidng to meet, so we had gotten to know each other pretty well and had become friends before even meeting.
We have been good, dear friends ever since.
It takes wit, charm, intelligence, beauty, class, a hot bod certainly doesn't hurt, either, but when all that comes together, no expense is to much.
So that's my take on your question.
Just my opinion...
B
I am the last person who should post here, but I do have number. I like a 2C massage and I paid 2.5C to get a fondling from my ATF PS! Worth the $50
In NYC, prices are about $100/hr more than Boston. In the south and mid-west (not Chicago though), they are about $100 less than here.
I have spent somewhat more at times for a provider with a spectacular figure, but on the whole, it was not really worth it.
I've learned that, with apologies to Yogi Berra, 90% of it is half mental.
...I agree with everything you said.
I used to think you needed to pay tons to get that "special ride", but now, if all I am looking for is an hour or two, there doesnt seem to be any need to pay a lot more than what the market sets as the going price.
There are ladies I have met, who provide a breathtaking physical and emotional experience for at market prices. That is why we all love TER.
It has never been about paying for education, looks or even if she did a certian thing. It is about satisfying something that paying for it facilitates the satisfaction.
Now if a brilliant Selma Hayek with an amazing attitude, needed a few extra $$$ for the hour... Hmmmmm ok yes I would pay.
Not to begrudge the women who are getting the huge dollars, I would if I were them.
if this were a long term deal? Well there is no substitute for paying for the best. like the commercial says, an amazing SO... priceless.
Wit you on this-
I get all the amazing Sex I can handle from my SO. She's hotter than at least 60% of the ladies who advertise here (to ME- some of ya'll would totally not like her looks/body).
I want massage and bbbbj- not on the home menu
The extra $50 to see the ATF PS was well spent... locked in the memory banks...
I don't know why, but I personally won't spend much over $250 to see a provider. It is not that I can't, it is just that I choose not to.
I am nearing 55 and have slowly developed a list of providers whom I regularly see all of whom are 40+ except for one.
Earnestly, It is hard for me to imagine what a younger or a more expensive lady would do that they can't.
Yet still, even though I have set this mental limit, it is not uncommon for me to tip my providers $50 to $100 dollars because I enjoy their friendship and I trully want to show them my appreciation.
OFF 
Kate -
Overly educated, no. Smarts count for a lot, tho.
Looks are not that important.
Saying no is not a dealbreaker. Enthusiasm in what is on the menu is important.
Carrying herself well is important.
Others:
Fearlessness.
Being different.
Being sophisticated.
Chemistry.
N.
Umm, looks don't matter??? Anyone who says that is full of crap. If I'm paying for it, it's got to be worth paying for so I'm looking for the prom queen, killer body, pretty face and under 30. She's also, obviously, got to be a total demon in the sack. Brains are nice, but not the end all be all. That said if all things are equal of course I'll choose the one that sets me back less. I'd rather drive a beamer than a Chevy and I'm willing to pay for it, but I can't afford a Lamborghini...yet.
Kinda depends on how you define "big bucks", I suppose. For myself, I am operating on a fairly tight budget, and I see one or two ladies a month. (I'm led to believe this is not uncommon, although there are certainly other hobbyists who indulge much more frequently.)
I've been willing to go deeper into my wallet for an expanded menu of offerings, although it's certainly not a requirement when I see a lady. I don't generally schedule more than an hour and a half, both for the increased bottom line, and for the inconvenient scheduling that longer appointments bring on.
I've been willing to consider providers with higher rates who either have excellent reputations for the quality of the experience, or if there's just something about her that really grabs me. However, the higher-ticket provider also has to compete with an extended session from a provider I've seen already, and with whom I might feel more comfortable. That awkward "getting-to-know-you" time with a new lady is something I endure rather than enjoy; while it may well be different for others, who do seem to enjoy the thrill of exploring the unknown, it's less of a kick for me.
In short, I don't often shell out anything that I consider "big bucks" for an unknown lady when there are other options open to me that are highly appealing with providers I've seen before. Why would I drop $600 on a one-hour session with a lady I've never met when that same $600 would get me a solid two-hour date (including language lessons) with a lady that I have seen before and clicked very well with?
I'm just not the target market for the high-dollar providers, I suppose.
Exclusivity, although that isn't always the case. The same reason I drive a certain car or stay at only certain hotels.
I was thinking about this- I might pay more for CMT/LMT, Greek, BBBBJ, stunning ass, Muscle Goddess or a top notch reccomendation(sp?).
A great 90-120minute massage that rolls into BBBJ is the holy grail for me. If she then asked me to do her in dirty downward dog(love that Yoga!)and acted like she enjoyed it? Hard to beat... and probably worth the upgrade.
...the bank account is empty. For the next couple of months (years) I have to take a pass on anything high-priced.
A serious, useful, interesting question that deserves serious answers. Too bad the boys aren't big enough to speak up.
I thought most of the answers were straightforward. (except for Tom Cruise and those which were funny IMO) The basic answer is that most of us won't go for the "big bucks" however you define that term. I'm such a small player, my view of it hardly counts. There are so many wonderfully looking and reviewed ladies both local and visiting at a price point of 3 whom I have not seen that I don't need to go above that for my needs.
I am in the same place as you, but I will also opin that this is a difficult question for anyone to answer, because it is SUBJECTIVE. Unless someone is specifically aiming for exclusivity and to see "name" players "because he can", the reasons most would see ANYONE are dependent on the individual that they are contemplating seeing... physical attraction (subjective), personality attraction (subjective), or performance factors (subjective).
I think most of the guys who answered (and I was suprised how many did) were serious in their answers. Where'd that come from, Roxy?
Like when I’m really impressed with myself or euphoric about my success or received some unexpected income…that too when an exceptional lady is available…one who is made with special care. It never happened though.
There are times when I’m on spending spree for hobby, when I’m bugged with my own too careful spending and remember to live life. In such cases and for small time celebrations, I’m more likely to see multiple ‘value for money propositions’. Flamboyance doesn’t suit me, I work hard for my buck...lol
I’m sure about one thing though. Its going to be away from NYC. Such a shocking place…
Why would I want to pay $3K to meet 1 wonderful person and have 1 wonderful experience when I could spend that same money and meet 10 wonderful people and have 8 wonderful experiences?
The bottom line, Kate and Roxy, is that the high-priced girls are looking for a different sort of client, one of those chaps who likes "the finer things in life" and, well, to be quite honest I'm just not one of those fellows. I find the very notion of caviar disgusting. I won't be able to discuss fine art, the latest fashion trends, or the world economy. A high-priced lady is going to be as put-off by my lack of depth as will be by her pretension.
Why would I want to shell out big bucks for a night at the Opera when I don't like opera? Just to impress someone? I don't get it. Who am I trying to impress?
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First, my new Incall donations are great -- very affordable. Second, a lot of us are educated and well traveled but that doesn't mean we want to talk stocks and bonds. I feel comfortable with just about any type of guy, as long as he is clean, polite and likes me. Wink!
Hugs,
Ciara
...I'm sure you and I will get along just great. Just don't ask me my polo handicap. I haven't got one.
"Or does it need to simply be "the one" who just "does it" for you, possibly without rhyme or reason, just plain chemistry?"-Kate Bishop
The answer is no, I can always find someone to "click" with at market price. But an attractive face and a nice body is always a plus.
As I have seen women who for less than $$ would do things to and for me that most other women would never dream of. I am not talking about physical acts, but instead an emotional connection that cannot be bought at any price. Someone that when you call for a quickie, she is truely glad to see you come over.
As to alot more, If I had the funds to spend in the high priced playground, I think I would be much more attracted to the emotional and mental aspect of the woman instead of the physical properties.
Education means nothing to me (as long as she can talk intelligentally), so being overly educated tells me more that she cannot decide what she wants to do with her life more than that she is educated.
Movie Star looks?? Not important to me.
I guess I am just attracted to women who charge less because they want to have you enjoy them instead of getting alot of your money.
Kinda like real estate; it's mostly about location. NYC costs more than the midwest (except Chicago). Miami costs more than North Carolina.
The first time was to see a Playboy Playmate that was in the biz for a short time. Yup, her looks and the fantasy of seeing one of Hef's girls was worth the extra dough. The only other time was for a double with two great young women that rocked my world. Otherwise, I 'gotta stick to that budget!
Why? that's no fun
Since the urge for sex is such a frequently re-occurring urge the vast majority of hobbyists need a hell of a good reason to go way over budget and consequently go without for a long period either before their HDH tryst or after.
The particular aesthetic tastes of the hobbyist would of course play a big part in his choice of companion as well as her known abilities in the particular sexual theaters that the gentleman has predilection for.
As far as the SP’s educational achievements go. Unless the date entails a cocktail/dinner party with the writers and editors of Scientific America magazine or the like; I feel most men seek wit and spirited character more than a degree in Elizabethan poetry.
INMHE (Humble Experience)-
When I am on my "face in the carpet" game, the dialog usually runs to lot of Yesses and grunts- and then a bit o' shower for me teeth...
Not a sonnet in the mix!
For me she would have to be my perfect physical fantasy. Be willing to meet my every fantasy in bed. She would need to be an athletic, sensual, creative and passionate lover. She would need great reviews here on TER.
I have and will, upon occasion, spend the extra $$$ or so for only very unique experiences. For instance, someone who's willing and able to do realistic and effective role-playing will cause me to open my wallet wider. The problem is not many providers can pull that off the first time with a client which is understandable.
I'm not talking anything too out of the ordinary (I once had two women pretend to do a home invasion where they tied me up and... well you get the general idea).
If a provider can communicate to a client that you can entertain his fantasies in a sexy, non-judgemental way, I believe they could command the big bucks. But it has to be advertised effectively. Not a toss-off line in a menu of services.
Hope that helps...
and since I like theatre it comes quite natural for me. Let's see: I've been the boss, I've been a school girl, I've been a dominatrix (but nothing too harsh), I've been cat woman, I've been the hard-working secretary needing some scolding, etc., etc.
Hugs,
Ciara
Ciara, I wish to hell you weren't so far away. So few of you can pull this off. So sad...
To the original question, it depends. If what I am looking for is an overnight or longer then it is far more likely to be with a gal who fits into the HDH category (with one exception, see below). YMMV but I have found that those who specialize in overnights and multi-day engagements are better at it than someone who may focus on the 1 or 2 hour engagements if for no other reason that they have those engagements far more often. If what I am looking for is a shorter encounter than a well-reviewed lady that works with my schedule of travel and other commitments is what really matters.
"Lastly, have you seen an 'average' provider you felt should charge and advertise as a High Dollar Hottie?"
There is one who is clearly in this category. She does have a 2 hour minimum but more and more is focusing on longer gigs. I suspect she could kick up her rates considerably and still keep a very large number of her clients.
"On the flip side, have you seen one of these elusive ladies only to think they were really quite average?"
So far, and I am sure luck has some part to play in this, no.
I must say that I enjoyed reading these responses and they make me realize that "some fellas" are looking for the same connections that I am!!
I always wonder what is in "The hearts/minds of young men!"
$$$ or even $$.5 for me is an incredible gift in exchange for what I happen to believe is something that "is just me!"
I certainly "KNOW" that what a gentleman receives from me has a value that is priceless...but I am also flattered by the fact that I am gifted in return for something that is a natural instinct for me!
The "GIFT" is much more than $$$!!!
The friendship, thoughfulness, concern, encouragement, life - sharing interests, "Oh The Places We Go!"...are PRICELESS!!
The "Gift" has a value before it's placed in the envelope and laid on the bureau.
The DESIRE to KNOW the FEEL of someone is the ultimate GIFT..IMHO!!
Thanks for the post Kate!!
Kisses
SexyC
and the value of nothing."
You have stood the statement on its head by knowing the value of the relationship far outweighs what is "paid".
Good for you. A refreshing and enjoyable perspective.
I have done this and found it to be worthwhile for me. By big bucks, I mean basically double the normal contribution I am used to in my hometown. I still do this from time to time as a treat for myself. Unfortunately, it has almost ruined me for the normal providers I used to see, though they are great ladies. I did my homework and selected three ladies with fantastic reviews in Vegas, who seemed especially suited to my tastes. They all turned out to be exceptional ladies. Very intelligent, nice, sweet,beautiful and extremely sexy. They taught me a thing or two and I thought I was too old to learn new tricks. I remember the drinks, conversation, and connection as much as the other stuff. The threesome last time I was in town was unbelievable. Meeting them at the bar for drinks was great, I was the envy of every man in the place, and a number of the women...lol. No insult intended to ladies that do not charge the higher rates, but to me the extra contribution has been well worth it. I have yet to meet someone at the regular rate that brings the whole package that the higher price ladies do. Of course, I have not met most of the ladies on this board and I am sure there are exceptions.
Having said all this...I do not do porn star rates...at my age I do not need a porn star...these other ladies are all I can handle and then some. I prefer GFE (they can throw in the PSE as needed believe me!!).
If you normally spend the average amount when seeing a provider, let's say $300 per hour, when will you spend more?
I used to spend alot of money, but now I am wiser and sex is not worth $300.00 to me. I would rather date and find girls who are genuinely attracted to me and are not just there for the money.
A lot more? Never, providers are overpriced in USA and not worth the money to me. It's just sex.
Must she be 'overly educated'? Nope we are just having sex for an hour and not discussing how to maximize my stock portfolio! Very little talking so I really care how educated you are. Plus many people lie about their education and try to come off as educated. Look at how many uneducated pornstars are succesful. But being educated in sex is important.
Does she need to look like a classic movie star? No, but she has to be attractive in some way to me. I have walked out on girls I have met in person who I did not find attractive.
Perhaps she never says no to anything, ever? Yes, great as long as they do not charge extra.
Her natural ability to carry herself, regardless of great looks or education, with poise, grace and confidence? Nope, as long as the girl is hot and the sex is good and I am comfortable. It is just a front if you need to try to appear these things be yourself people can see when you are being fake.
A mix of everything listed above? What is needed is an attractive girl, good sex, good attitude, and good price for most men!!! Look how busy ParkAsian is.
Or does it need to simply be "the one" who just "does it" for you, possibly without rhyme or reason, just plain chemistry? Chemistry is good but not worth over $300.00 per hour.
Lastly, have you seen an "average" provider you felt should charge and advertise as a High Dollar Hottie? Nope they are all overpriced. I can have sex with better looking providers, hotter sex, better attitude, and cheaper prices in Europe. Paid sex in thh USA is terrible. And all the women here are way to overpriced. The men in USA are just plain pathetic for actually paying these prices. Just stay home and masturbate and save your cash for better things like gas and charity!!!
On the flip side, have you seen one of these elusive ladies only to think they were really quite average? Yes all the time. Never will I see them again.
I do not find you attractive at all Katie Bishop. I would never make an appointment with you. Sorry, I would feel disgusted with myself if I paid money to have sex with you.
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Your lack of basic manners and tact is apparent not only in your entire post, but especially in the last sentence. Your opinion of me is unwarranted in this thread, it had nothing to do with the original post. It's only purpose was to satiate your need to be nasty and mean-spirited. For the record, based upon your negative attitude and vile nature, you could never pay me enough.
Best,
Kate
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Lol, I was wondering if you would read my post and take my post personally. I guess things said on the internet by random people thousands of miles away really do matter to some people. Since you are sooooooo upset about my comments I will try to apologize.
Kate Bishop, I am sincerly sorry for my "...nasty and mean-spirited..." comments. I should not have be so untactful and blunt. I had no right to express my opinion in such a terrible manner. I truly apologetic if I hurt your feelings in an way. Please understand that I grew up in a truly horrible family situation and these experiences come out at inapporiate times. Please understand that I have had sever mental problems and sometimes I post things on the internet that I do not feel. Kate, you are probably a wonderful and caring person and a gem among the providing community. I wish you the best and God Bless you!!
that's a silly statement. Why wouldn't I read your post? I did start the discussion, so obviously I was interested in what others had to say.
Otherwise, I accept and thank you for your public apology, it means a lot to me. I am sorry to hear about your upbringing and difficult life and hope you receive the treatment you need. I wish you the very best.
Fondly,
Kate
Kate,
Don't fall for that phony, baloney apology. Me thinks the gentleman has a rare form of Turrette's Syndrome that only comes out on the DB
Kate,
I enjoy your questions, and although I don't always have something to add, it's good you like to stimulate conversation.
I find your board presence to be interesting, and it leads me to think of you in a very positive light. Your site is tasteful, and you seem in attractive in all the right ways.
Just thought you shoule know.
tennis
I took his "apology" as another snide and sarcastic reply. His personal problems do not forgive his rude post and you would be fortunate to avoid a customer such as johnrichard.
to see that desparate guys still know how kiss a girls ass with random compliments on the internet. It is so easy to post some "genuine" compliments or some mean spiteful comments. Also it is also so easy to judge people and think you are right. I bet you would think I was very gentlemanly in really life. I love the internet!!!!
So I just checked out your site Kate, you are stunning. What is his problem?
And you plan to be in Boston soon. Hmmmmm.
I have to say- while his style was overly abrasive(sp?), none of his points were off the mark. This market is pretty insane. And the $300 standard IS the equivelent(sp?) of having to tie a pork chop around one's neck to get a dog to play with one.
I mean really- 3X a GREAT Dinner out (w/o Wine- I dinna drink) to have sex?
I have had only one or two sessions that can compare to time spent with the SO. I do appreciate the massages, though.
I really take pity on the guys who regularly spend $K+ for a session. The private life must really suck to make that pay off!
Myself, I like the "whole" person approach. I would rather be with a lover who has a good personality and some smarts and with whom I can have a good talk as well as sex, but that's I.
Maybe it's an age thing. I'm in my 50's and I can recall when I was younger, a good technician with a great body was the living end. Now I want to engage the person mentally as well as physically.
I'm also in my early 50s. My days of "slam, bam thank you ma'am are lost in my youth. In fact an hour session with a typical 20 something $$$ provider would probably kill me or leave me on life support.
I would rather see a mature, well reviewed lady with whom I can spend a leisurely time over dinner getting to know one another rather than just hopping into the sack after a few perfunctory "Hi, how are yous". In my experience, older providers are so much more interesting than younger women. Their life experience makes them great conversationalists and frequently they are well educated, witty and have a delightfully wicked view of life.
To me, taking the time to talk, to share a few yuks, to find out what you share in common and to learn mutual likes, dislikes and boundaries in a relaxed, non-threatening environment is fun and rewarding. It paves the way for a more intimate encounter filled with great sex, stimulating conversation during the interludes, a connection on a human level and a far more satisfying session than a simple hour or hour and a half date can provide. More expensive? You betcha. But in the long run, well worth it.
I now spend $200-$500 and am still searching for my ATF and have yet to find her.
My ATF and shelling out a lot more would be:
Total GFE
Can call up and chat or trade emails
Does not say no
Treats me like I am the most important person in the world
Could take her out in public
Self-confident
Spends time chatting with me - it's not all sex
Clean, clean, clean
Loves kissing
Likes foreplay
Can be the initiator
Can be the aggressor
Just a real lovable person
She would have to be a porn star or something. A known or just extremely beuatiful porn star.