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The difference
sasha2cute See my TER Reviews 3036 reads
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This is more of a comment rather than a question but open for people to express their opinions and observations on this topic as I think it would be good.  

When ter was more or less the leader in questions of escort research etc, I seem to remember most providers would have a certain resentment towards the power play, and it was a very valid one. A good chunk of us realized the situations and tried to make the most of the resources while holding back on some complains about the power play (mostly hobbyists had the upper hand given how ter is structured).  

Now that we can safely state social media platforms dominate for the most part how hobbyists find and research providers, I think some of the active escorts do a good job ruining their chances at recruiting a nice costumer base by being overly political (I’m guilty of this) or overly complaining about every fucking thing. The worst one is the providers who aren’t unhappy with clients and go as far as to publish their info online which is very unprofessional in most cases (there’s exceptions to this of course).  

The power seems to reside now on how escorts wanna market themselves if we can call marketing to what some providers do on social media, if not incessant rants. I think In a nutshell it’s safe to assume Providers are happier having control over their marketing and not depending on how some hobbyist depict their services and their character thru reviews. The question to the hobbyists would be… has the power dynamic change changed how you approach providers? Is it easy to cut thru a providers bullshit and see her for the services she provides and effectively find providers that provide what you’re looking for?

RegencyHobbyist 109 Reviews 124 reads
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2 / 37

Social media, especially Twitter, is a great research tool for hobbyists. Ladies tend to post their newest pictures there, and yes you can often tell from a provider’s posts whether you’ll enjoy her company. There’s one lady in Vegas who was on my radar. As I read her Twitter I found that she repeatedly whined about customers and potential customers. Definitely a no go for me. Only Fans is another good tool. Again we can see recent pictures, and if they post videos we can get an idea of how they are in bed. It’s a cheap vehicle that has saved me big donations a few times.

herbtcat 6 Reviews 109 reads
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3 / 37

I don't think I really get your premise.  

 
But from my POV, the power dynamic has been unchanged for decades:  

 
You have the power to say "yes."
She has the power to say "no."  

 
That's not likely to be impacted by social media or anything else.  

 
Life is good

 
The Cat

RespectfulRobert 119 reads
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4 / 37

I agree that the power dynamic has completely been upended. The women now have the upper hand. It is certainly a "sellers market" at the moment, for lack of a better term.  
To answer your question though, it is much harder for me, personally, to research a prospective provider these days than years past re: sexual compatibility. No question about that. But Twitter (and other platforms on social media) are great insights into a lady's personality, especially if viewed over months/years. So the power shift has made it easier to find that compatibility of personality but it has made it harder to find the sexual compatibility I/we all crave.  
Does that make any sense? Hope so. Thank you for this thread!

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 156 reads
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5 / 37

Someone who has compromising information on another person, knowing that persons pii info, will always have the upper hand.  

 
This, in today's climate, the provider ALWAYS has the upper hand. And it isn't even close. The provider will usually be portrayed as a victim, and John's as perpetrators, with Johns' heads in local paper and provider names protected.

 
A provider, like you mentioned, can air out pii info of any monger she has info on, on social media and end his career at a fingers snap. And she can do it any time she has her period or whatever. It doesn't usually work vice versa.  

 
It's one thing to have constantly complaining provider. It's another for her to actually put out private identifiable info publicly. If I ever see such provider on Twitter, I'll be sure to stay a few miles clear and also advise others to do so.

iHeartMouthHugs 123 reads
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6 / 37

If I can make a comparison to my little corner of the food service industry which is high-end catering, those who kept their opinions to themselves and push only the service they provide (menus, pictures of food and cocktails, types of clientele served, etc.) are seemingly the only ones within a two-state radius who have survived the pandemic. Of course, that is if the service provided was of note to begin with. Of the businesses that I’ve known, and this includes what has been confirmed by former colleagues in the restaurant industry in my area, those who are woke have indeed gone or are going broke. While this mainly applies to privately-owned businesses, it still goes to show that not every business entity benefits from being so forthcoming about their beliefs.

I for one can say that I’ve seen a provider who was too open about her political beliefs, and it didn’t help that she got all of her opinions from FB. It was so annoying to listen to her ignorance that her level of service and looks didn’t matter. I never saw her again and, coincidentally not long after, she stopped advertising on reputable sites and now only puts ads up on low rent sites. Sure, it’s not certain that her beliefs caused her demise, but it obviously didn’t help. How much media constantly thrown at us is shrouded in politics now? Does a fantasy seeker want that in the mix when trying to have a good time? Side note: The best has to be a provider who takes herself as a full blown Democrat, but her ad says no AA.

As far as power, in a manner of speaking, the power will always lie with the hobbyist. While there is an endless supply of up and coming providers and hobbyists, we have the power because providers get old and money does not. Hobbyists from 30-70 years old are still relevant because their money is good despite their age. Providers from 30-70 don’t have the same relevance and, therefore, for the most part become more and more powerless.

PeterPickle 137 reads
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7 / 37

I'm very curious to know what are the complaints about clients that providers are making on social media? And what exactly did a client do that was so upsetting to the provider that she published his private information online?

Sweet_sandy See my TER Reviews 134 reads
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8 / 37

I don’t think there is anything that gives us a right to blast complaints on social media. In my opinion those ladies are bitter and should probably stop providing… idk though

PeterPickle 131 reads
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9 / 37

...any naturally occurring competition wouldn't pit the seller against the buyer given they're on the opposite sides of the transaction.

Rather the competition exists amongst the sellers themselves for the business of the buyers, and amongst the buyers themselves for the services and goods of the sellers.

The shift in "power dynamics" that you're referring to isn't a shift in power from the buyer to the seller, but rather from "traditional" review sites like TER to "new" social media platforms like Twitter as a means of promotion and marketing for the services of the seller, i.e., providers.

Probably because review sites like TER are driven by the reviews of hobbyists, i.e., the buyers, you are conflating the two as a single entity, just like you are conflating sellers with social media platforms like Twitter, because accounts on those platforms are largely managed by the providers themselves.

What you should perhaps consider is that there is actually very little overlap in the functionality of review sites like TER with provider-managed accounts on social media platforms like Twitter, other than they both list contact information for the providers and display their photos.

The chief function of TER being a resource of provider reviews by and for hobbyists isn't supplanted by anything offered by those provider-managed accounts on social media.

By the same token, the personal insights into the psyche of the providers, updated daily current photos and videos, and direct online access to the providers themselves that are the cornerstones of these provider-managed social media accounts, are by and large absent from the offerings of review sites like TER.

So what you've characterized as a shift in "power dynamics" from hobbyists to providers I believe could be more accurately described as the social media phenomenon of allowing providers to take greater control over their own public image, and offering additional avenues, wider audience reach and more efficient means to promote and market themselves and their services beyond the traditional escort website ads and listings.

DeClemente 48 Reviews 121 reads
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10 / 37

Posted By: iHeartMouthHugs
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Side note: The best has to be a provider who takes herself as a full-blown Democrat, but her ad says no AA.
Great post, and even greater side note, iHeartMouthHugs. Was that just anecdotal, or did a woman really claim that? Priceless!

Even if it when an escort has political or social views that align with mine, that's not the purpose for my time with her.  I don't want to either discuss my perspectives on current events or hear her perspectives on them.  That's seven-fold true for an escort who has political, social or current event rants that DISAGREE with mine, because I'm not there to debate or argue.  

The fantasy-like atmosphere of being with that woman for the amount of time we're together is my focus. I appreciate that she's a human being, that she has a life outside of that incall or outcall, that she has family and friends and others who know her and care about her and love her, that she has a mind, that she has opinions and ideas and thoughts,  
that her existence is not just to serve me sexually, etc.  Fine. I am a client of a businesswoman whom I am paying to perform a service. I don't rant about my favorite or least favorite sports team during an encounter with an escort, I don't bellyache about my DIY project at home that's not going well, I don't grouse about how the auto mechanic upcharged me for repairs, I don't bring up the hassle I'm going through to make it to my military unit's reunion, etc., LOL. Just kiss me, rip my clothes off of me and do to me the things I like, and I'll return the same favor.

gnubie 2 Reviews 111 reads
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11 / 37

Has anyone else noticed that Twitter correctly assumes it is you clicking those provider profiles, even though you're logged out and in incognito mode? Chrissakes you need a VPN to keep them bastards from tracking ya!

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 147 reads
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12 / 37

I think you and other providers have a right to complain in general. Of course it probably wouldn't be great for your image, but you certainly have a right to. I "complain" on here a lot and it'd be hypocritical to say providers can't complain in a public social media domain.

But, putting a specific customer on blast identifying him by his number LinkedIn or social media handle, is just unacceptable unless he did something so egregiously bad you feel the need to warn others.
If it's say a ter handle, that's fine. Real name? Not fine, not at all.

 
Luke I've said, Im dissatisfied with a lot of agencies/provider practices, but I'll never put up a post that has real info of providers. That's just low and goes against the very discreet nature of the hobby. Id call to boycott providers who air out people for no reason,if my voice mattered more. Lol.

PeterPickle 119 reads
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13 / 37

Incognito mode won't actually do much other than hide your browsing history from your significant other lol and even your own router might keep incriminating records of your virtual wandering eye.

Yes, I do believe Twitter will track you based on your IP address as well user agent which includes your OS, browser version, and some hardware details, which is why it didn't matter that you were logged out.

Definitely a VPN would mask your IP address, but if you don't want Twitter to continue suggesting provider pages to your account, then you should probably change global servers each time your start your illicit surfing lol

Or perhaps create a "burner" Twitter account so you can follow all the provider profiles to your heart's desire AND get provider suggestions that you may actually want? 🤔👊😜

impposter 49 Reviews 120 reads
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14 / 37

"Avoid social media like the plague that it is." - impposter
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"Beware of the pernicious, nefarious tentacles of SM that will ensnare you and not let go. One simple, inadvertent "click" can open up a crack in the dike protecting you and your privacy. If you think you have it fixed, you probably have nothing, or maybe just air or water, between your ears." - impposter
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"Sit back, do nothing, and watch as the nefarious tentacles of SM start to ensnare you and mix up friends and contacts from your separate worlds with Real You and Hobby You as the only common denominator." - impposter  
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"SM is insidious. It will comb your computer, your cookies, your contact lists and who knows what else to try to CONNECT EVERYONE IN THE WORLD, whether they want to be connected or not. SOCIAL MEDIA: AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE THAT IT IS." - impposter

Posted By: gnubie
Re: Speaking of Twitter ...
Has anyone else noticed that Twitter correctly assumes it is you clicking those provider profiles, even though you're logged out and in incognito mode? Chrissakes you need a VPN to keep them bastards from tracking ya!
(My MAD Magazine reference is not personal.) But feel free to quote me.  :-)

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 117 reads
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posting again.  I have always thought you had the best 40's-style-pin-up-girl photo shoots on TER, regardless of provider gender.  Kudos.  

 
To answer your question, TER is the only place that even resembles social media where I am comfortable talking about seeing escorts.  Social media is a no-go for me.  I often lament that some of the ladies who used to post here that had great personalities and enticed me to visit them come off as whiners and bitches on Twitter.  If a provider is on twitter, she is an automatic pass for me.  I just don't need the aggravation and potential for blowback.  

 
There are more providers on TER then I will ever have time to see in my remaining lifetime, so there is no incentive for me to brave the negativity of providers on twitter to try to find the ones that might still be "reasonable."  

 
As far as the power dynamic, nothing has changed for me.  Its a commercial relationship.  Providers are the sellers and we customers are the buyers.  I'm not saying the customer is always right, but he does have the right to spend his money where he wants, and if some of the sellers don't make it an attractive proposition, then I and others will go to the competition.  We want to buy a fantasy, not reality, and too many of the providers posting on Twitter have injected too much reality into their brand.  Its a turn-off.

allcomers 120 reads
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Posted By: iHeartMouthHugs
The best has to be a provider who takes herself as a full blown Democrat, but her ad says no AA.
I have had three independent providers explain to me their no-AA position, two white Americans and an Asian. They said the same thing, but the Asian woman was most concise because of her broken English: "Too rough. Many bad customers. Many bad times." Some ads seem to indirectly confirm this with a minimum age for African Americans.
 
Do you know differently?

hobbyhunter69 89 Reviews 119 reads
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17 / 37

Most of the providers that you review are procured through K-Girl agencies and rub houses.  Though you think that the 345 reviews puts you in the position of authority on all subjects, you do in fact have a huge void in your experience as the "fantasy you are buying is with the Mamasan or booker" on the phone.  

So why would you be looking at Twitter anyway?  Please confine to the K-Girl board as you have nothing relevant to discuss here.

Mya has excellent points as some providers go way too far.  Yet others are discreet and you do get a glimpse of their personality that can affect a session in both a positive as well as negative manner.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 61 reads
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18 / 37

a vagina.  Its cheaper on the long run for me just to rent one when I need to.  Lol

iHeartMouthHugs 113 reads
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19 / 37

Nope, I’ve been told the same and also that they are more likely to try to sneak the condom off or be short on the donation. I don’t want to pass judgement on any groups though since there’s no way for me to know the truth. I’ve certainly heard more stories from providers than I can count though.

allcomers 112 reads
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20 / 37

That's always been my reaction. I can't imagine what's going through their minds that they use their marketing profile to spew negativity, in particular when it's invective about customers! Get another profile if you want to show your full personality, but for the sake of business, keep your biz profile positive. OTOH, thanks for letting me know that you're bitter and probably a bummer to be around.
 
The only case I've seen where the girl's straying from a marketing stance seemed wholly justified was an independent who posted pictures of her badly bruised face under the subject of 'this is why I now require verification.' It was bad. It was shocking.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 114 reads
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21 / 37

I personally have no issues with girls "spewing negativity" on those accounts as long as it wasn't reflective of their attitude during the appointment. And of course as I've already mentioned, disclosing pii info.

 

Back when I still saw some independent providers back in the day, some of them were quite bitchy on Twitter about politics and even client rants. And yet many (not all, but most) were professional and sweet during appointments.  

 
I think there's a misconception about "negativity" as a bad thing. It really isn't. I don't see negativity any worse than positivity really, unless it's affecting the work - ie, sessions.

Or in other words, I'm a negative person but it doesn't affect my work. The provides likewise can do whatever they want on Twitter as long as they don't bring real info in and can separate it from their work.

At the end of the day I'm there to have my dick feel good first and foremost.

allcomers 127 reads
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22 / 37

Why the remark: "The best has to be a provider who takes herself as a full blown Democrat, but her ad says no AA."
 
I don't think the acceptability of providers looking after their own safety should be based on party affiliation. Maybe, but I don't think so. :)

-- Modified on 9/20/2021 1:04:17 AM

inicky46 61 Reviews 73 reads
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23 / 37

If it floats, flies or fucks, rent it.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 58 reads
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24 / 37

I just like to keep it real.  You have a great attitude.  Someday, you and I are going to meet.  :-P

WICardinalfan 37 Reviews 135 reads
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25 / 37

Call me dumb but I do not understand "The Power Play" in the context of TER.  TER platform has several forms of power plays between both genders.  Reviews, Discussion Boards, White List, Black List.  

If a guy is a real ass in reviews or posts, it will come out eventually that he is an idiot.  A posting chain comes to mind when a gent was complaining about this and that on the main discussion board. He made it personal by calling out the provider's hobby name for all the world to see.  That is a power play and IMHO made him out to be an ass.  I think most guys on here remember.  

Like other posts on this topic, social media gives me the creeps.  I use twitter to view, but I never post.  FB, forget it.  My research on SM is limited.  

Providers web site does help, however the opening paragraphs I speed read unless there is something unique.  Most sound very similar to one another.

Being older BBBJ is equally if not more important as protected fucking.  Rarely would one ever see BBBJ on a provider's web page.  A few do it, but not many.  

So I am left with P411 and TER.  I truly believe any male who has common sense can separate the BS from the truth by weighing one persons rants against the historical review base of a provider.    

If "Power Play " means something else, than forget everything I just wrote.  

GaGambler 104 reads
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26 / 37

I know Mya would beat the current MS TER by a factor of at least 10-1

allcomers 89 reads
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27 / 37

Posted By: MyaMichelle
Re: AA's make up a very low percentage of patronage ... my worst clients (which i can count on one hand) have all been white men.
It follows that your worst clients are white given the are overwhelmingly your customers. Curious though, maybe needing to look back at when you had a higher percentage of AA, was the percentage of AA bad clients lower or higher than that for whites?
 
That aside, it had occurred to me, but it's clearer now from reading your post that AA participation in your industry at the level above street-workers would be restricted by economic factors (not wishing to get into a discussion here about why those factors exist).

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 59 reads
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one of a kind.  If they allowed voting from members, we could be "vote pimps."  Lol

RegencyHobbyist 109 Reviews 60 reads
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Vote pimps. I like that. Reminds me of my years playing in the Playboy Girls of Golf events in the 2000s. At both the regional and national events the guys got to vote for the ladies who would advance and ultimately get pics in the magazine. At the National event we all stayed at the Hollywood Roosevelt. Imagine, 120 guys and 240 beautiful ladies staying in the same hotel and traveling on the same busses. Damn, I miss those days!  Even your good buddies and close personal friends BPOS and HH could have gotten laid if they had been there (or at least got a beautiful girl to their room before their equipment failed and the girls skipped out laughing).

iHeartMouthHugs 126 reads
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30 / 37

I was making a off-taste joke about hypocrisy. Are jokes still allowed here?

allcomers 117 reads
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31 / 37

Got it! It's not the first time ultra-dry humor has gone right over my head, or my ultra-dry humor over somebody else's. That was desert dry. Never mind.

-- Modified on 9/20/2021 9:38:42 PM

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 133 reads
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I think the difference between TER and Twitter as far as power balance is solely in that on TER a provider in a conversation can get drowned out by guys, the typical dog pile.  But one on one at a session, that's more fundamental and unchanging.  That's more purely market driven, supply and demand.  
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I do think negativity on twitter or any platform is probably a bit counter-productive, but also that men don't really view women by their curriculum vitae (resume.)
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As much as a guy might not like a complaining provider or political adversary, he's much more likely to base any engagement on that age old motivator ... physical beauty.

trex44 9 Reviews 128 reads
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...and learned early on that saying bad things about my competition, my potential customers or my existing customers was a great way to run my business into the ground.

With the advent of social media, many people like to run their mouths about every little damn thing. Unfortunately, most folks don't seem to be able to separate their business life from their personal opinions.

IF your livelihood DEPENDS on keeping customers satisfied, it would be best to keep your potentially divisive opinions to your self. Gripe to whoever you can trust (probably a small circle, eh?) but once that toxic cat is out of the bag, you could suffer economic blowback.

WICardinalfan 37 Reviews 115 reads
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I have been in sales for forty years and you are absolutely correct! Early on in my career a superior had this saying framed on his wall.  I have tried to follow it ever since.

"Samson killed 10,000 Philistines with the jawbone of an Ass.  Same amount of sales are kissed everyday".   Anyone in our profession has, at one time or another, been the jawbone of an Ass.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 119 reads
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And the sad part is, most of these ladies don't even know their personal opinions are turning off customers.  They think business is slow for everyone right now.  Not so.  I know many ladies that know how to avoid unnecessary controversy that are doing quite well.  

Kitty76 See my TER Reviews 169 reads
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36 / 37

First of all, if it wasn't for the Providers (who provide the entertainment for you guys). Then you guys would have to us your imagination and jerk of.  And as far as making money. Us "THE PROVIDERS" could find regular job, but why should we when we can play on your hormones & get paid for it. Who has the upper hand now?

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 120 reads
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The market reflects power in price.  Price seeks an equilibrium.  Power balances.

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