The only bonus I've seen to this horrendous recession is that $500 girls are now asking $350-$400.  $400 girls are now asking $300. The $250-$300 girls are now getting  slightly more than what street walkers were fetching last year. The insane provider inflation that we have seen for YEARS now is correcting itself to much more rational rates.

Hobbying for men is 100% discretionary spending, and with gas, oil, food, taxes, and other basics at all time highs, providers that want to stay in business will have to wake up, and smell the coffee. The days of  average looking ladies hanging out their provider shingles, and asking $350-$500 is over.

Ladies that refuse to discount heavily in this recessionary market will remain at home masturbating, and waiting for the phone to ring.

I've heard many ladies say business is bad/down/sucks/non-existent etc.  Ladies, if you want your business to pick back up, drop your rates,  give specials, huge discounts,  and reward long time clients.  Good luck.







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Nah. This one is way too stupid for a smackdown.

Are things a little slow right now? For me at least, yes they are. Am I going to drop my rates? Not a penny. In fact, having dropped more than 25 pounds recently, I will be raising them ever so slightly once I've lost the remaining weight I want to lose. If business remains slow because my rates are too high, so be it. I am a low volume kind of gal anyways. Being slow for the most part means I don't have to say no to as many gentlemen.

Rotsa Ruck! Your weight loss is a nice start, but you've got a long way to go.  BTW, you're low volume because you have no choice.



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First of all, we are not "ho's" anymore than we'd refer to you by derogatory names. We are providers and just because you judge someone to be not worth your paltry sums doesn't mean that they are not entitled to make their rates.

Secondly, I don't discount in any way and never will. I don't find myself going out of business or at a loss for anyone emailing and asking for appointments.

Thirdly, if business is slow for a lady in one area, she can certainly travel and make even more money in a variety of different markets. Some of these ladies even go overseas and make a killing.


The economy is not THAT bad that you have to start your "sky is falling" so discount or find yourself hungry type of posts.

A post encouraging ladies to drop their rates isn't going to work, but thanks for giving me reason to consider raising them.

Katie

Go ahead raise your rates, and buy a vibrator! You'll be alone using it.

Its a service. If it wasn't worth the price for you before, then you were the idiot for making the purchase, but don't blame the provider for charging what you were willing to pay. And if you weren't willing to pay, apparently enough other clients were.

Are you asking your boss for lower wages because of this "horrible recession"? If not, why expect the provider to offer lower service wages?

And by the way, a recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative real growth. We haven't yet even had one consecutive quarter of negative growth. And while we are on the subject, in real terms, gas, oil, food, and taxes are not at "all time highs" (there are some food items for which this is true, but not across the board). Your gift of hyperbole does not help your case.

I'd suggest that you buy some films and build up those arm muscles. That's all the lovin' you'll be getting.

As I explain in my comment below. Too bad your post here did not appear until after I compiled mine below.

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Just Kidding.

he can post any economic theory he wants, and posting it won't make a rat's ass of difference - possibly excepting his own attitude.

I would encourage GND to flip the alias due to a personal attack that had absolutely nothing to do her response to him, nor the topic of the thread.  I can see the reason for the alias on the original post, particularly with the crass style of communication, but to launch an attack on a provider's looks and business under the alias goes too far and should be punished.

DJHI, your cowardice is unsurpassed.  Insulting a lady under an alias is the type of school yard bully tactic that can only be expected from a true coward.  She must scare you very much.  Beyond the fact that you are wrong about her looks, you are a unconscionable lout who should man up and delete your post with an apology. I realize that you are too scared to come out under your own handle, but I hope GND will do it for you.




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If you can't pay don't play.  I haven't seen any discounting at least here in NYC.  

But you are dreaming.  There has been no "market correction" to speak of in several major cities that I travel to and hobby in.  All of my favs are less busy but holding steady with their rates.

Here's a tip, the best way to get treated well and reap the benefits, and there are many, of being a regular is not to insult providers or try and tell them how to run her business.  Good luck with your theory...

Just so some ho's get what's coming to them.

I've never seen anybody with a poverty fetish before. Maybe you should troll truckstops for some bargains.

That explains your idiocy. The meanness suggests you've been bitten by a rabid skunk-- on your cock, during a drunken bet. Probably the only .99 sex you could get.

. . . and the women who charge you?

Katie,

No discounting expected or required. I'm more than happy to pay full ticket price for your time.

Dow Jones is posting wishful thinking on his part, but then he's probably a bargain hunter that drives  to garage sales and flea markets in search of the best deals.

They're charging less because guys can't afford it. That's economics 101. It means the guys are suffering too, and maybe much worse.

Of course, it's not something you're concerned about. I think you need a dose of economic suffering, as well as a boss who laughs his ass off while he gives you the pink slip-- because he always hated you anyway.

I wonder why?

Children soon learn that even negative attention is better than no attention. Or, as Katie and Rina have hit on, this is a person angry at women. Seems like it's not a truly economic issue with him, but rather, he feels that by giving the woman her donation, she has power over him, or greater worth, which he deeply resents. IMHO

Zisk and DC

You two are as sweet as can. But there is no need to defend me from this jerk.

He is just a troll looking to get a response, and my skin is thick enough to take it.

Actually, I have a 14 pound bowling ball, so I haven't quite lost the weight of two yet. Close, but not quite.

Hey buddy, I went out and jogged three miles today and then came home and did a 30 minute ab work out. How about you?

My extra weight is disappearing at a nice steady rate. Pity the same can not be said for your bitterness and well, dare I say, insufficient cerebral functioning?

I'll say it again.  I love your posts, Katie.  I just wish you were in Florida, or I was in Cali.  Have to ask, you ever gonna tour before you graduate?  If you do, please come to Tampa....

Take care,
Swim

I'm never one to turn up my nose at being called sweet. But in confession, I was replying specifically to the inaneness of his OP and not to his targeted insult of you in one of his replies.

So while I happily accept your keen insight and obvious good taste in men (heh) I don't know that I earned any particular praise this time. But allow me to suck you, I mean suck up to you, just the same.

LOL well your reply was priceless just the same. And you can certainly feel free to suck up/on/around me anytime you wish. Surely you won't mind if I return the favor though, will you?

going more for power than finese was always my guess

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So us low volume, vibrating using ho's can put him on our DNS list!

Kari~~

I agree it does seem like a woman hating additude.
Sad really~~~

This is exactly like a young child seeking negative attention. These kinds of posts written with an alias deserve to be ignored. I do agree that he has a negative opinion of women. He might be able to keep it together for a couple of hours but I am pretty sure it would be difficult for this guy to be a regular with someone because his attitude would eventually surface.

Maybe that is why I don't like the original poster. Doesn't look like he's got a pair at all.

Hah! I made a funny!

I've been getting so much business lately that I've been considering RAISING my rates. Just because YOU can't afford to see who you want to see doesn't mean other men can't.

But nice try.

Gas, oil, food, taxes, and other basics only go up for men?

Did you go back to your employer this week and ask him/her to drop your paycheck so you can offset their rising costs?

Most businesses are INCREASING prices to cover their increased expanses.  Check the food prices recently?

Most providers do take care of their regulars but why should they see clients and lose $ doing so?

I think the point was lost because of the unnecessary attacks from both sides.

The initial point about the economy is a good one.  When the economy weakens you see increased efforts to spur sales from all providers of discretionary goods and services.  This can be price reductions, sales, or increased marketing.

It is not an insult to the providers to suggest that they are subject to economic conditions.  Obviously a provider could elect to maintain the status quo, in which case, depending upon her specific clientele she would either have the same volume of business or she would suffer a decline and live with the reduction in income.

A provider could have a regular who loses his job and another who is, say, a Realtor whose income is half what it was.  She may also have plenty of satisfied clients who are not seriously affected by the economy.  Each will decide how to deal with that.  

Comparing providers to employees is not accurate, though.  A provider is actually a freelancer or contractor running her own business.  She is far more comparable to a real estate agent, mortgage rep, or small business owner in that she has no "regular" salary but charges what she will for services and profits on whatever is left after expenses.  In a similar vein, the employee does not typically suffer a weekly reduction in income if business is off, but may be exposed to the very real possibility of losing his or her job entirely.

So it is reasonable to assume that overall providers will likely be forced to lower prices in many cases.  Though, of course, the most in-demand ones will be the least subject to this.  

Whether the provider "deserves" a certain rate is really not relevant when considering the economic impact on the hobby.

Nor should it be considered to represent some lesser "worth" of a provider simply because the pool of her clients has less disposable income and she has made certain decisions regarding her professional activities.

We could discuss for days predictions on the severity of the downturn, but in NY at least I suspect that a fairly good percentage of the hobby is supported by financial service types and those industries are very hard hit this time around.  So I am sure the hobby overall is feeling it.

I get more pussy than 99% of the guys on this board. The economic facts can't be denied. Guys have less money these days, more bills, and there are more providers than ever. That's called supply, and demand you morons. Throw in a huge recession, an inflationary environment, and you have a situation where if ladies want to survive as providers they MUST cut their rates. This is pretty basic shit.

There are perhaps 5% of providers that are drop dead gorgeous with stellar reviews that this does not apply to. The other 95% have no choice but to discount their services, or get no phone calls.

Whatever honey!

I'm "average" with several pages of reviews and I just RAISED my rates!

"Huge" recession?  Not quite-the US economy is pretty resilient and while there are a few setbacks the economy will continue to resist & bounce back within months.

Never the less, clients who can actually afford to hobby are still continuing not to blink an eye, while cheapskates like you are foaming at the mouth, thinking that you get to get the pussy that you do so love to call "average" at a discounted rate!

You're a joke!

i would really like to see this person and how he rates in the looks department and if he does have looks he sure doesn't have a pleasing personality and in my opinion could not count on his personality to get him to first base with a woman period.

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has stayed high. I can’t find a link but on this week’s TV/radio news there was a headline report that April 2008 demand for gasoline equals and exceeds April 2007. Certainly some gas purchases are discretionary, but they stay high. Demand for more fuel efficient cars HAS gone up slightly. You could probably argue that with a shrinking hobbying economy (which BTW you haven’t yet demonstrated) the issue of quality becomes more important.  The top tier of ladys already pay attention to quality. That’s how they got there. “Looks” on average is only one-half of the quality equation. For me (and many others), it’s only about 30%.

I don’t want to assume you are shallow via your indication that “drop dead gorgeous” trumps everything. I don’t HAVE to assume you are shallow. You’ve clearly demonstrated it all on your own.

Face it, the economy's not THAT bad. I don't know what area you're in, but people are still living the life here in LA, which happens to be one of the largest economies in the world. Maybe in a smaller town, you might be feeling the pinch, but if that's the case, then you should probably give up on escorts rather than trying to make a pushy post for the ladies to lower rates.

You don't know what it's like for the ladies because you're not in our shoes. All you can do is assume, based on your tastes/ preferences/ judgements that we ladies are overpaid, are hurting, need to lower rates when frankly, I find it to be just the opposite and many other ladies are doing well too. One thing you don't figure is that when times are bad for many men, the first place they turn to spending their money is their vices, be it women, liquor or drugs. The ladies will ALWAYS be able to make money... ALWAYS. There are some constants in this world and this happens to be one of them. If I ever get to a point where I'm hurting, I'll be the first one to admit it, but considering the steady flow of appointments (double than usual, actually) and the steady flow of requests, I'm not worried.

Your post is a gross overreaction, which has led most of us to conclude that you are feeling a financial pinch, that you really do resent the ladies you have to pay (based on your tone) and that you really aren't as satisfied with your life.

I feel for you, bro, but you don't need to try and spread your misery by trying to push ladies into lowering rates and attacking providers you feel are unworthy of their rates.

Face it, you are wrong and you've miscalculated. It's no big deal, but it takes a big man to admit he's wrong or to apologize to a lady when he's attacked her, such as you did with Sins. I don't think you're that big a man, but maybe you'll prove me wrong and man up.

Katie

I have actually used it succesfully as the "key word" for references from her, LOL.

Could it be that they just look bigger in comparison to the rest of the package?

Hobbyists are tightening their belts due to gas, oil, taxes, job insecurity, escalating food prices etc. Anyone that doesn't have their head in the sand knows we are in a deep recession. Smart business people know when markets are weak, retailers have sales. Then again, there haven't been too many smart posts, or people on this thread.

just because there are more providers doesn't mean there are more Quality providers. There are  more hobbyists as well.
If she is out of your price range see someone else.

There are many who will not cut prices. They will go get a fulltime job and only provide service on a part times basis. Some who have done this have raised rates and they stay up at a higher rate.

I know a few from the west coast that come to the east coast on a regular basis to provide service. One told me that she was able to buy a house and a condo on the west coast from providing service on the east coast.


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Actually Dow don't you realize that some ladies raise their rates to rid themselves of a certain type of client? It seems to have worked very well in your case. Screening starts long before the phone rings or the send button is pressed. Before I get pounced on, this is but one reason some ladies raise their rates. The others have been more than eloquently described above.

When and if these "95%" cut their rates ( I wouldn't hold my breath), I'm sure you'll be the first they call since you have shown exemplary class and kindness towards women in your posts. You might want to get someone to help with the flood of calls as I'm sure it will be overwhelming.

In fact, allow me to be the first to see you at a hugely discounted rate.

based on your personal sector of the economy. Are you one of those predatory real estate bankers?

Ok first point. If you "get more pussy than 99% of the guys on this board" why are you here? Why are you crying in your cornflakes about provider's rates being too high? And before you even think of denying it, go back and read your original post brainiac.

Second point, ummmm, WHAT recesssion? Recession has a specific definition - two consecutive quarters of negative growth. Last quarter the GDP grew by 0.6%, the same as the previous quarter. We have not had ONE quarter of negative growth in the last 6.5 years. Furthermore, the housing crisis everyone is talking about is affecting roughly 3% of all mortgage holders. In other words, this housing crunch is SO bad, that 97% of mortgage holders are paying their mortgage on time. The economy is anemic right now, and things are going to get worse before they get better related to rising gas prices and rising food costs, but we certainly aren't in a recession at the moment. They sky is not falling chicken little. That dust in your eye is simply the specks of the media's hysterical ravings and attempt to create a self fulfilling prophesy.

Last but not least, when exactly is my phone going to stop ringing? Instead of having to say "No, I am sorry I can't see you today" to half a dozen men, I only had to say it to perhaps three men today. If this is starving to death because my rates are too high, I will take it.

What the fuck are you doing here? You belong on CL, where you may get what you're looking for at YOUR price. On the other hand, you may get stabbed. Either way, I doubt that anyone here would give a fat frog's ass!!!

No one is denying that the economy has slowed but it has not resulted your dream-come-true of providers offering reduced rates across the board. If it had you wouldn't be here trying to convince them to do something they clearly have no intention of doing.

The people who are responding to you here are providers who are still making a living and customers who are still enjoying the hobby. Maybe you should just head on over to Craig's List and look for bargains while we carry on here...

Because you are frustrated and clearly not finding the support for your miscalculations and assumptions, we are all morons. Right. lol.

Sweetie, take the boys' advice... head on down to CL for the bargains and let the big boys play with the top ladies here.

Katie

"I get more pussy than 99% of the guys on this board."

--then what are you complaining about? How much pussy do you need?

"The economic facts can't be denied. Guys have less money these days, more bills, and there are more providers than ever. That's called supply, and demand you morons."

--Those aren't economic "facts" or even facts at all. And the first is false, and although the second is true, the bills to money ratio is going down, not up on average, and the last is true but while there are more providers, there are also more hobbyists. Change in demand is as relevant as change in supply. If you start tossing around economic terms, as you've been doing in several of these posts, you ought to apply them correctly. Economists take umbrage when you don't.

"Throw in a huge recession, an inflationary environment, and you have a situation where if ladies want to survive as providers they MUST cut their rates. This is pretty basic shit."

--well, at least you got the shit part right. First off, as has already been explained by several folks, including yours truly, you don't know the definition of a recession. If this quarter ends with negative real growth, AND next quarter also has negative real growth, then we can say its a recession we are in. Its theoretically possible, but cannot yet be determined. Furthermore, if we actually have sustained negative growth, in a so-called "inflationary environment", then the proper term is stagflation, not recession. The U.S. hasn't faced that since Carter was in office.

"There are perhaps 5% of providers that are drop dead gorgeous with stellar reviews that this does not apply to. The other 95% have no choice but to discount their services, or get no phone calls."

--other than just making up your numbers, where are you getting your information? Have you surveyed all the providers out there to judge percentages? And apparently, according to you, providers will face not a reduced demand, but demand falling all the way to absolute zero. Utter nonsense.

There are lots of good basic economic textbooks on the market. I can personally recommend Greg Mankiw's. Try reading in particular chapter 4 to get a better understanding of basic supply-demand principals before you post again. Or you can also attempt Parkin's chapter 3 but I'm guessing it might be a little too advanced for you without some outside tutorial help. Although I should warn you, textbook prices have been rising every semester, and will be even higher in the fall, despite this so-called deep recession US is supposed to be in. So maybe you should send a bitch letter to the textbook publishers alerting them to how they will find themselves unable to sell any books at all unless they drop their prices.

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-- Modified on 5/5/2008 5:28:08 AM

You seek discounts or lower rates but then insult the ladies with really offensive comments.
Buddy, it ain't gonna happen!

Perhaps you've heard the expression that you can get more flies with honey than vinegar?
I have actually been offered a discount on more that one occasion. It was not because I demanded it, or insulted the providers until they were so demeaned they felt they owed me something.

Instead it was because we had a nice time together. We both enjoyed the meeting where I treated them with dignity and respect. When they asked when I could see them again, and I explained that things were a little tight, they replied, maybe we can work something out.
We did. You won't. Nuf said!

Economics was a class I was forced to take in my undergrad and I still have a stack of those books on my shelf bc damnit if they don't come in handy every now and then.

He's just making up numbers now to justify his meanness. Good point by point analysis.

Katie

However, I have dropped because of these factors:

1)  For some reason, some men freak at $300 or anything above that donation (since two years ago). While working for an agency, I couldn't control my hours or who I saw, and part of that donation went back to the agency. They were good, though, and I appreciate my start with them. So, maybe I'm losing about $35. So, whoopty doo!

2)  I do Incall now, versus only doing Outcall three or four years ago. If I don't have to drive or spend more time worrying about walking through hotel lobbies, etc., then my slightly lower fee is worth it to me. Of course, there's always housecleaning, changing sheets, etc., that you have to deal with when doing Incall. But . . . Incall has definitely increased my business 100 percent. I'd still rather walk to the door half-naked than do Outcall (but I do Outcall, too).

3)  Why my lower Incall donation? It's easier to get $20's out of the banking machine and psychologically easier on a client's mind. Plus, there's no excuse that you can't pull enough money out of the machine the day of the appt.

4)  I am a low-volume provider. That means this is not my only source of gratuity. I enjoy the extra dineros and I suppose -- if I were smarter and more flexible -- I could make more and stash it away. But . . . at my age and having past injuries, I cannot say I could give 100 percent of myself every day seeing four guys a day. So, therefore, the additional donations I get with this type of fun is nice but I'm not desperate. Thank goodness!

Am I doing financially better because I dropped down? I'm more busy than a butterfly and could be busier if I wanted the additional dineros.

Does the lower donation make me look less desirable because I'm cheaper now (pardon the pun)?    I would certainly hope not if men did proper research. If not, then they're flaming idiots.

Hugs,
Ciara



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1) A seller is free to charge whatever the seller wants.

2) A buyer is free to decide if that is what he wants to play for the above service/product.

Whatever the economy, these two rules are the basis of everything.


So if a woman raises her rates, and still makes what she wants, then good for her.   If she raises her rates, and business takes a nose dive, then I am sure that a "correction" will happen real soon.

Complaining about it does no good.  Things will equalize at the rate that the woman wants to charge.

there's nothing that says you have to take the bait.

Open discussion is the whole point of most forums.

that many/most of us are fully capable of jacking ourselves off, and what we're looking for is credible fantasy - suspension of disbelief - and every second of wrangling about money, or any kind of chiseling, takes an hour of make-up.

Ideally, both parties would be overly generous.  You don't chisel a SO in any way.  Loving is more about what you put into it than what you get out of it.

So Dow is just another guy who isn't getting it.

You're going to complain about fees that have stayed fairly level for sometime.  Trying to bargain $50-$100 off the ladies' prices would deflate the whole experience for me.  Maybe it isn't about sex with you, it's just about how good a deal you can get.  That's a little sick if you ask me.  It is what it is, and if you are going to fret about a couple bucks then you should find another hobby.  Quite a few hobbies are expensive.  If you can't afford to pay then no play.

If GND outs you then I doubt you'll ever get another date here. I hope she does.

BBxxx

between reducing your rates a couple of bucks to adapt to your market and dropping your rates firesale style as the OAAP(original asshole alias poster) suggested.

If your dancecard is full then you have obviously hit the sweet spot, rate wise.

I don't think you need any idiots, flaming or otherwise to set your rates for you.

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However, I would never set my rates to a poster on TER. I am an independent woman and I'll charge whatever I want to, thank you.

Darlin', what makes you think I'd set my rates per TER clients? But, if you really need to know the dirty gossip, I did it because of certain groups in Phoenix. This way, I'm still happy and I don't have to discount for anyone. Got it! Also, I'm happy and have more business now. So, don't worry about me. I've got a good marketing head on my shoulders and it's just for fun. But, I appreciate your thoughts and message.

Also, coming from an agency where it was $400 for me, then having to give them back $75 or $100, spend my gas to drive to Timbucktwo, and have to do Outcall (only) and sit up all night with makeup, hair done and maybe never get a call, my response is truly the best that I can offer. Geesh! Do I have to explain everything to you? Just kidding. Now, come here for your spanking.


Hugs,
ciara










-- Modified on 5/6/2008 2:53:00 PM

More than likely he resents "having to pay" for what others can get for free, unlike him not every one here pays because it's the only way they can get laid. What's even more likely to have got him really riled him is the fact that he probably can't afford to hobby, but maybe once a year.

If you were sitting in a closet, jacking off to other people's reviews 364 days a year you'd have an attitude too. What the hell, when I go more than a couple of days without getting laid I start getting grumpy.