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Street harassment? (Long post)
Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 3692 reads
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I've noticed something disturbing lately, and was hoping some of you would weigh in on your experiences.

Since spending more time in NYC lately, where people are out and about in the streets and trains, (as opposed to hidden in their own cars, like most other cities), it's a lot easier for women to get harassed/hit on/etc.

Yesterday, I ran into a scary situation where I was walking down a busy street in broad daylight, wearing perfectly decent clothes (ex: jeans, a jacket, and flats) and this "gentleman" was just relentless about getting my number.  I tried everything.  First, I politely said "no thanks".  Then, I avoided eye contact and just ignored him.  Then I said, "Look, I'm just trying to go about my day, ok?" Then, when he STILL kept going on, I just turned around and walked the other direction.  Luckily he didn't follow me.

The reason why I say it's scary is because you never know if you're dealing with someone who isn't quite playing with a full deck.  Someone could take you declining them as an insult and do something violent just out of craziness.  Who knows?

So, from both the male and female perspective, what's your experience with hitting on women in public or declining someone's unwanted advances?  Do you only hit on women who look like they WANT attention, or would you hit on anyone regardless of how they're dressed?  And what's the best way to get out of a potentially dangerous situation like this?

I know that this is not a unique problem.  Women all over the world deal with this every day.  I've just noticed this much more in NY than anywhere else

GaGambler 1920 reads
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and not to suck up here, but you are rather hot.

Speaking for myself, I can't imagine pestering a woman for her number once turned down. That's not "having game" or even "being persistent" that's being an ass, and I mean that in the "not good" way.

My board persona aside, I am not really the type to simply "hit on" an unsuspecting woman, I am the type that needs at least some kind of encouragement so your manner of dress would be immaterial to me. As for your safety, I would simply suggest you stay on well lit, well traveled streets, and be polite but firm. I wish I had better advice for you.

hbyist+truth=;( 2049 reads
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is a guy hits on you and ya politely decline and not at all a bitch and he then calls you a bitch because you have just rejected his advances.

How to get out of an unwanted situation? Well that depends how badly you want to go to jail. My first knee jerk reaction is to land a well aimed spinning back kick and send the cock sucker flying, but an assault charge is not a good thing.  

I guess walking away and if he follows continue to loudly protest so others hear you and if that does not deter him, hold up your phone in full view and say "one more step and I complete the three numbers 9-1-1. And if he really does not listen actually dial them. Oh and take a pic if you can to show the cops. Likely this bullshit is not his first time

Back_In_Black 1839 reads
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the attention before you pop out some kids and get fat . then you"ll be begging men to ask for your number. you weren't in a scary situation , you made it a scary one ..and if your still scared , next time tell him to whip it out balls and all  right there , and yank it hard and squeeze his golf balls  . bet everyones gonna look at your pics now ( wink wink ) creative post 9/9 ..  

welcome to the bad apple .
Posted By: Lila Aubrey
I've noticed something disturbing lately, and was hoping some of you would weigh in on your experiences.  
   
 Since spending more time in NYC lately, where people are out and about in the streets and trains, (as opposed to hidden in their own cars, like most other cities), it's a lot easier for women to get harassed/hit on/etc.  
   
 Yesterday, I ran into a scary situation where I was walking down a busy street in broad daylight, wearing perfectly decent clothes (ex: jeans, a jacket, and flats) and this "gentleman" was just relentless about getting my number.  I tried everything.  First, I politely said "no thanks".  Then, I avoided eye contact and just ignored him.  Then I said, "Look, I'm just trying to go about my day, ok?" Then, when he STILL kept going on, I just turned around and walked the other direction.  Luckily he didn't follow me.  
   
 The reason why I say it's scary is because you never know if you're dealing with someone who isn't quite playing with a full deck.  Someone could take you declining them as an insult and do something violent just out of craziness.  Who knows?  
   
 So, from both the male and female perspective, what's your experience with hitting on women in public or declining someone's unwanted advances?  Do you only hit on women who look like they WANT attention, or would you hit on anyone regardless of how they're dressed?  And what's the best way to get out of a potentially dangerous situation like this?  
   
 I know that this is not a unique problem.  Women all over the world deal with this every day.  I've just noticed this much more in NY than anywhere else.  
 

macdaddy1944 51 Reviews 1663 reads
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this world is full of depraved degenerate fucks..only the sane ones hobby..

Blowing Chunks 2060 reads
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6 / 77

At least the murder rate went down in the big Apple since I left.  
I felt that people are a bit more aggressive there and have that stereotypical New York attitude.  Can't you tell from Nicky's posts?? :)  

I generally don't hit on random girls cuz that's just not how I roll, not to mention that randomly hitting on girls on the street never really worked for me. They are mostly defensive and I found it easier to make it look like I'm NOT hitting on them and simply looking for direction help or something like that. lol  

If the girl I met at some public event shows some interest,  then I'll proceed but even I don't like to be bothered when I'm just walking down the street minding my own damn business.  

I assume any girl hitting on me in NYC or pretty much any Street in any city would probably be a street walker or an undercover LE.  lol

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1912 reads
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Avoiding eye contact, especially looking to the side or down, shows insecurity or not 100% assertive or confrontational. When someone is dangerous, make sure they know you know exactly what their face looks like when interacting with them.

I've learned this and have utilized it. Does it work every time? Probably not. But if you have no other choice, looking them dead on and saying no in a serious tone, while continuing eye contact (i.e. staring them down) is a good way to show someone you're on top of your game and know what's up.

I say the best thing obviously is just to exit the situation as soon as possible to avoid even needing to do it... but again, if you have no choice, look them straight in the face and don't break eye contact while communicating with them.



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ZoePiers See my TER Reviews 1751 reads
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I look at it as men appreciating beauty, i doubt they would rape me right there and then so usually i would stop regardless of who they are (rarely scary people). I give them my full attention to say whatever, depending on how aggressive they are which is never beyond normal i'll tell them next time  for my number or if i don't want to be bothered i would lie that i am married. I love NY the attention, the energy, the people etc..  Every so often to make them not feel so rejected i will give the gentleman a hug depends on how clean he is before i walk away. You never know, a simple act of kindness could make someone's day..

If the situation is truly ugly i simply give'em a  BIG  smile and walk away.

You are beautiful woman its bound to happen more than you want it too, especially in NY.

Eve-Zoe

 


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Back_In_Black 1956 reads
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your waiting for the short bus and the rest of jerrys kids and move on to the next piece of hot ass and the op definitely has a hot ass .. yummy ... so all you ladies who feel " scared and threatened " and don't want cock right at that moment ...ridiculous .. just praise the lord .........rotfflmao as so should you .....................

Posted By: OpenMindedGFE
Avoiding eye contact, especially looking to the side or down, shows insecurity or not 100% assertive or confrontational. When someone is dangerous, make sure they know you know exactly what their face looks like when interacting with them.  
   
 I've learned this and have utilized it. Does it work every time? Probably not. But if you have no other choice, looking them dead on and saying no in a serious tone, while continuing eye contact (i.e. staring them down) is a good way to show someone you're on top of your game and know what's up.  
   
 I say the best thing obviously is just to exit the situation as soon as possible to avoid even needing to do it... but again, if you have no choice, look them straight in the face and don't break eye contact while communicating with them.  
   
 

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Back_In_Black 2023 reads
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yeah I couldn't wait to get the fuck outta there either .. to fucking expensive , but I enjoy visiting from time to time so I enjoy it now .

Posted By: Drunken Asian
At least the murder rate went down in the big Apple since I left.  
 I felt that people are a bit more aggressive there and have that stereotypical New York attitude.  Can't you tell from Nicky's posts?? :)  
   
 I generally don't hit on random girls cuz that's just not how I roll, not to mention that randomly hitting on girls on the street never really worked for me. They are mostly defensive and I found it easier to make it look like I'm NOT hitting on them and simply looking for direction help or something like that. lol  
   
 If the girl I met at some public event shows some interest,  then I'll proceed but even I don't like to be bothered when I'm just walking down the street minding my own damn business.    
   
 I assume any girl hitting on me in NYC or pretty much any Street in any city would probably be a street walker or an undercover LE.  lol

TheHoundOfCullin 9 Reviews 1651 reads
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Bitches be crazy..

I'll always try to help with a door, or a cart what have you.
Sometimes these women overthink it..
I mean c'mon ladies..
I'll take the good karma.. Take it right to the bank.
Make a deposit because I'm silly like that.
But hands to yourself women! Dammit!
I have a reputation to uphold.
My butt cheeks are not squeezy toys.

Hey! Next time a guy won't leave you alone...
Tell him you have to take a shit really bad, and you have to go..
Easy peezy.

Back_In_Black 1927 reads
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the one chasing guys around giving out your number and asking them to marry you . rotfflmao oh zoe /eve/? ... your competitions isn't she , and she only has one name ..rotfflamo and you should be too..................................................

Posted By: ZoePiers
I look at it as men appreciating beauty, i doubt they would rape me right there and then so usually i would stop regardless of who they are (rarely scary people). I give them my full attention to say whatever, depending on how aggressive they are which is never beyond normal i'll tell them next time  for my number or if i don't want to be bothered i would lie that i am married. I love NY the energy, the people etc..  sometimes i will give them a hug depends on how clean they are before i walk away to make them feel better.  
   
 You never know, a simple act of kindness could make someone's day..  
   
 Have fun in NY.You are beautiful woman its bound to happen more that you want it too.  
   
 Three faces of Eve..  
   
   
 

Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 1654 reads
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That's the total opposite of what I've always done.  I always try to avoid escalating the situation, especially if the guy looks a little crazy.  But maybe you're right-- be more assertive instead of non-confrontational....

Blowing Chunks 1696 reads
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And yet I sometimes drive there to see touring girls instead of seeing local girls.  lolol  

Hi my name is DA.  I'm a moron.  

They were very very hot though and worth it.  I wouldn't have been able to see them otherwise cuz they weren't touring my town any time soon.  ;)

JackDunphy 2050 reads
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Scat play all the rage in NYC right now. She does that, she might have a line around the fkin block.

Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 1573 reads
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If it was a good looking businessman, I wouldn't be complaining (lol).  Crackheads and thugs, however, are not!

Back_In_Black 1945 reads
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wrong with my idea ? it works , ka ..  

and what if he stares back ? you gonna have a staring content in midtown in front of the nakin cowboy ? bet youd like that ... xoxo ...
Posted By: Lila Aubrey
That's the total opposite of what I've always done.  I always try to avoid escalating the situation, especially if the guy looks a little crazy.  But maybe you're right-- be more assertive instead of non-confrontational....

Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 1584 reads
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Back_In_Black 1691 reads
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not talking about the girls talking about the city itself .. but the over priced venue in the country since you bought it up  
 

Posted By: Drunken Asian
And yet I sometimes drive there to see touring girls instead of seeing local girls.  lolol  
   
 Hi my name is DA.  I'm a moron.    
   
 They were very very hot though and worth it.  I wouldn't have been able to see them otherwise cuz they weren't touring my town any time soon.  ;)

Blowing Chunks 1582 reads
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Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 1214 reads
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I don't think I could assault anyone but that's funny.  Reminds me of one of my girlfriends who has a patented "bitch face".  She can turn it off and on as needed, and it seems to deter people from coming up to her in the first place.

hbyist+truth=;( 1624 reads
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Would have every masochist lining up too? Hmm maybe another business opp.  

I can see it now, drape a cover over the john to make him look like a heavy bag and go to town. Wow, I get a workout, anger management and money. Tis a good day!

ZoePiers See my TER Reviews 1576 reads
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I am not boasting but usually when i walk in to a room, restaurant, event etc.. 50% of the room turns around to look and to make it worse some  will even whisper  to their company and they too will turn immediately like something just happened.. I am not as Beautiful as they may think i am, I am CONFIDENT in my own skin and with my look and I dress elegantly to the nines; with short hair it makes it worse/better.  

Though i often wonder, why do this people pay too much attention to me? and will they still look when i am old and out of shape(i don't intend too but life happens)..

While most think i am beautiful, i think i am a good woman (inner beauty)

Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 1460 reads
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You're not a woman.  How can you tell me what's a scary situation and what's not?  

You can't get raped and chances are, just by your very size, people don't look at you as a potential victim.  Whereas women are an easier target because we're not physically intimidating.  So as the drunken Asian said, women are usually defensive and more cautious by nature.

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JackDunphy 1522 reads
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Just make sure you buy a drape big enough to cover you both. If such a thing actually exists. :D

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GaGambler 1615 reads
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Not because women are throwing themselves at me because of my looks or anything of the like, but because I spend a lot of time at places like the Del Rey where the women are the aggressors because of our huge gringo "wallets" (credit to Inicky)

but that's where the similarities end, I am never in any fear from any of these women, unless of course you walk around the park where the trannies hang out, but only fools do that, so I can't say that I can really relate to what you are going through, nor can any man I would imagine.

hbyist+truth=;( 1605 reads
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Send me to the website that you get those giant paper bags you take to a session, you know the one you put on and the one you give to the hooker in case yours falls off.  

About those extra pounds, hey you leave my FUPA out of this.

Back_In_Black 1643 reads
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I heard you usually trip on purpose and cause a scene in a desperate cry for attention .  

Posted By: ZoePiers
I am not boasting but usually when i walk in to a room, restaurant, event etc.. 50% of the room turns around to look and to make it worse some  will even whisper  to their company and they too will turn immediately like something just happened.. I am not as Beautiful as they may think i am, I am CONFIDENT in my own skin and with my look and I dress elegantly to the nines; with short hair it makes it worse/better.  
   
 Though i often wonder, why do this people pay too much attention to me? and will they still look when i am old and out of shape(i don't intend too but life happens)..  
   
 While most think i am beautiful, i think i am a good woman (inner beauty).  
   
 

ZoePiers See my TER Reviews 2059 reads
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You could say that she is my competition, however, in life there is always going to be someone better or worse than you, rich or poor than you and so forth. It should never be a competition but rather pay compliments and an appreciation where its due. She stunningly beautiful, skinny, classy and so much fun in bed.. ( no i haven't had the pleasure) but i am sure she is. And i need to mention a very sweet REAL woman.

If she liked women; she will be my type.

As per your wrong assessment (Bipolar) Eve.

Ooohh and I SHOULD never listen to such comments "You should too"

 
Posted By: Back_In_Black
the one chasing guys around giving out your number and asking them to marry you . rotfflmao oh zoe /eve/? ... your competitions isn't she , and she only has one name ..rotfflamo and you should be too..................................................  
   
Posted By: ZoePiers
I look at it as men appreciating beauty, i doubt they would rape me right there and then so usually i would stop regardless of who they are (rarely scary people). I give them my full attention to say whatever, depending on how aggressive they are which is never beyond normal i'll tell them next time  for my number or if i don't want to be bothered i would lie that i am married. I love NY the energy, the people etc..  sometimes i will give them a hug depends on how clean they are before i walk away to make them feel better.    
     
  You never know, a simple act of kindness could make someone's day..  
     
  Have fun in NY.You are beautiful woman its bound to happen more that you want it too.  
     
  Three faces of Eve..  
     
     
 

ZoePiers See my TER Reviews 1881 reads
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Posted By: Back_In_Black
I heard you usually trip on purpose and cause a scene in a desperate cry for attention .  
   
Posted By: ZoePiers
I am not boasting but usually when i walk in to a room, restaurant, event etc.. 50% of the room turns around to look and to make it worse some  will even whisper  to their company and they too will turn immediately like something just happened.. I am not as Beautiful as they may think i am, I am CONFIDENT in my own skin and with my look and I dress elegantly to the nines; with short hair it makes it worse/better.    
     
  Though i often wonder, why do this people pay too much attention to me? and will they still look when i am old and out of shape(i don't intend too but life happens)..  
     
  While most think i am beautiful, i think i am a good woman (inner beauty).  
     
 

hound88 49 Reviews 1671 reads
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By the way, you are rocking that hair style and it fits you well!  

Posted By: ZoePiers
I am not boasting but usually when i walk in to a room, restaurant, event etc.. 50% of the room turns around to look and to make it worse some  will even whisper  to their company and they too will turn immediately like something just happened.. I am not as Beautiful as they may think i am, I am CONFIDENT in my own skin and with my look and I dress elegantly to the nines; with short hair it makes it worse/better.  
   
 Though i often wonder, why do this people pay too much attention to me? and will they still look when i am old and out of shape(i don't intend too but life happens)..  
   
 While most think i am beautiful, i think i am a good woman (inner beauty).  
   
 
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Sidney Starr See my TER Reviews 1653 reads
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Where you have more concentrated date as and are among many people you will surely get hit on. I get hit on alit when I am hopping on a train at Union Station! Lol.. Or anytime going out for the night. It is getting warmer out so expect to be hit on even more!! ;-)

Sidney Starr See my TER Reviews 1347 reads
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I am from Greece and lived there on and off growing up. The guys there are pretty aggressive. But the men on Italy and France are also VERY forward. They will follow you all the way to your house!!

inicky46 61 Reviews 1723 reads
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Not to say it can't happen and you're hot enough to make it believable.  But it's not really common, to my knowledge.

hbyist+truth=;( 1710 reads
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Hit a full on leather and bear gay bar or any gay bar for that matter. Yeah a lesson in what not to do to women because you will find out fast what it like to be the recipient of unwanted attention aggressively metered out. And these men are just like any other man, "no might mean yes if I persist long enough and wear him down".

hbyist+truth=;( 1482 reads
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89Springer 1884 reads
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Let's face it. The percentage of women who look as good as those here is pretty small. If you're showing some lecherous jerk a friendly or even just a neutral expression, your chances of being hit upon are much higher than average.  

Someone here mentioned a friend's "bitch face".  A hottie I know has that expression down pat, and it makes guys turn around and walk away.

The crazy act isn't as ridiculous as it sounds. I've been in several confrontations where my only defense available was to act insane. It works. Act like a psycho and even some of the biggest, meanest guys will back away. The potential problem is that you try it with some guy who turns out to be crazy, and thinks he's found a kindred spirit.

I hope you're at the very least carrying some pepper spray or a Taser, and have learned some defensive fighting moves.

GoGoGretchen 1914 reads
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I lived in NYC for about five years.  One time, there was one day, when I really needed a new kitchen knife.   So, I bought one at a Brooklyn bodega.  I had been living on Bushwick Avenue for years, at this point, so I felt comfortable doing this.  I seriously wondered; how would people treat me differently, if I walked on my "stomping grounds" with the appearance of being armed ?  I am kind of like a spontaneous anthropologist, with my attitude towards life ...  I am like NUDE MARGARET MEAD or something like that !!!  Anyway, I was walking down Bushwick Avenue in Brooklyn + I was trying to maintain a neutral poker face + I was carrying a giant knife out where you could see it ... GUYS STILL STOPPED TO OFFER ME THEIR PHONE NUMBERS !!!  IT WAS INSANE !!!

JustAGal See my TER Reviews 1627 reads
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On serious note - we just learn to deal with it  Like we deal with morning Battle For Seat on subways, 2h lines in Starbucks and shoe box sized apartments





Blowing Chunks 1428 reads
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DC guys hit on you?  lol

 j/k

GaGambler 1643 reads
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I can't remember the whole thing, but the funny part is when he talks about guys saying all a lesbian needs is a "real" man to turn her. He turns this logic around by wondering aloud then is that case all a straight guy needs is a "real" man for him to want to start taking it up the ass.

and yes I have been in a few gay bars and got the "creep factor" but I am sure that it's not the same as what a woman goes through because although there might have been a couple of guys who outweighed me by a hundred pounds or so, I've never been worried about one of them trying to "take me" by force. Maybe I am just not cute enough? lol

StinaValentine See my TER Reviews 1753 reads
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is my favorite follow up line to be used when he doesn't let up after the first "no". You must put your bitchface on for this.

You don't even have to be super hot by societal standards to get hit on, FYI. I get hit on at Five Points station here in Atlanta all the time. Wearing my frumpy uniform, no make-up, hair in a ponytail and everything.  

And, no Back in Black, we shouldn't "just enjoy it". It's your line of thinking (while yours is on the mild side) that perpetuate RAPE CULTURE. Google it, seriously.  

Until society places more value on teaching boys "no means no", girls will always have to be taught how to protect themselves.

The laws about firearms are pretty relaxed down here, not sure about up there, Lila. Maybe consider getting a concealed weapons permit. Firing ranges let you rent to practice with until you find one you like. There's plenty of great handguns out there with good stopping power, little recoil, lightweight and small enough to fit in your purse or under your dress in a thigh holster. You can PM me if you're interested, and I can help you find a good starting point to learn about gun ownership, safety and concealment in your state.  

I've had clients give me weapons as gifts, which I thought was super thoughtful. A retractable baton and a stun gun were among them. If the firearm laws are super strict up there, you might consider getting one of those. But, they set off the anti-theft alarm when you're shopping, that's the only thing that sucks. lol

Gemma Coreana See my TER Reviews 2075 reads
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So I'm walking out of my hotel to a sushi Restraunt which wasn't close but I'm from a walking city so the distance was not a prob...... As I'm walking, a car on the other side of the street screams "Hey baby" ... I just ignore & keep walking... Then they proceed to drive up next to me yelling out, what up baby, etc etc... I still ignore .... Finally got fed up & was like: why r u bothering me.. I'm not interested... Then they started their bipolar attitude into "you think your to good to speak to us"... Finally so fed up I yelled: Go FUCK YOURSELF & some other profanity I will not mention on here.. Then I'm called a Bitch & a Racist.... I'm thinking WTF!!!   What gives anyone the right to harass?  I don't have a sign that say: hey holler at me!!!  

It's not sexy to scream at anyone out of a car, or across the street .... It's classless.... Thank GAWD I'm a black belt in TKD... Cause I can whoop some ass if I have to.... 😝😝😝😝😝😝!!!

StinaValentine See my TER Reviews 1876 reads
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Actually, your subject should read, "We men lack self control, so it's going to happen."

Posted By: 89Springer
Let's face it. The percentage of women who look as good as those here is pretty small. If you're showing some lecherous jerk a friendly or even just a neutral expression, your chances of being hit upon are much higher than average.  
   
 Someone here mentioned a friend's "bitch face".  A hottie I know has that expression down pat, and it makes guys turn around and walk away.  
   
 The crazy act isn't as ridiculous as it sounds. I've been in several confrontations where my only defense available was to act insane. It works. Act like a psycho and even some of the biggest, meanest guys will back away. The potential problem is that you try it with some guy who turns out to be crazy, and thinks he's found a kindred spirit.  
   
 I hope you're at the very least carrying some pepper spray or a Taser, and have learned some defensive fighting moves.

FoxyNC See my TER Reviews 1780 reads
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is on google (212-479-7990. The official New York Rejection Line!)  
I just called to make sure it's functioning. Yup, indeed. This is how I go about a renlentless asshole who won't hear "No."  

 
They have a website, and I am sure numbers for most areas.
 
Posted By: Lila Aubrey
I've noticed something disturbing lately, and was hoping some of you would weigh in on your experiences.  
   
 Since spending more time in NYC lately, where people are out and about in the streets and trains, (as opposed to hidden in their own cars, like most other cities), it's a lot easier for women to get harassed/hit on/etc.  
   
 Yesterday, I ran into a scary situation where I was walking down a busy street in broad daylight, wearing perfectly decent clothes (ex: jeans, a jacket, and flats) and this "gentleman" was just relentless about getting my number.  I tried everything.  First, I politely said "no thanks".  Then, I avoided eye contact and just ignored him.  Then I said, "Look, I'm just trying to go about my day, ok?" Then, when he STILL kept going on, I just turned around and walked the other direction.  Luckily he didn't follow me.  
   
 The reason why I say it's scary is because you never know if you're dealing with someone who isn't quite playing with a full deck.  Someone could take you declining them as an insult and do something violent just out of craziness.  Who knows?  
   
 So, from both the male and female perspective, what's your experience with hitting on women in public or declining someone's unwanted advances?  Do you only hit on women who look like they WANT attention, or would you hit on anyone regardless of how they're dressed?  And what's the best way to get out of a potentially dangerous situation like this?  
   
 I know that this is not a unique problem.  Women all over the world deal with this every day.  I've just noticed this much more in NY than anywhere else.  
 

StinaValentine See my TER Reviews 1605 reads
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It's the attitudes like that that really bother me. We're bitches when we say no; they are victims for getting rejected. Fuck that noise, seriously. It's an entitlement attitude that also perpetuates rape culture.

Posted By: Gemma Coreana
So I'm walking out of my hotel to a sushi Restraunt which wasn't close but I'm from a walking city so the distance was not a prob...... As I'm walking, a car on the other side of the street screams "Hey baby" ... I just ignore & keep walking... Then they proceed to drive up next to me yelling out, what up baby, etc etc... I still ignore .... Finally got fed up & was like: why r u bothering me.. I'm not interested... Then they started their bipolar attitude into "you think your to good to speak to us"... Finally so fed up I yelled: Go FUCK YOURSELF & some other profanity I will not mention on here.. Then I'm called a Bitch & a Racist.... I'm thinking WTF!!!   What gives anyone the right to harass?  I don't have a sign that say: hey holler at me!!!    
   
 It's not sexy to scream at anyone out of a car, or across the street .... It's classless.... Thank GAWD I'm a black belt in TKD... Cause I can whoop some ass if I have to.... 😝😝😝😝😝😝!!!

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1512 reads
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They can see intimidation, so using the energy to intimidate back is much better than showing in just standing there looking away.  

Fight or flight. Don't delay

Blowing Chunks 1807 reads
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Either way,  I'm guessing Lila being hot had a lot more to do with it too.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1727 reads
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I would lol. I've done it with ghetto clients when I was clueless about screening... (And so was the BP agency I worked for...)

You bet eye contact and intent staring will tell someone to GTFO.

But your idea works too. King David actually used that strategy when king Saul sent people out to kill him. Lol. It worked!

StinaValentine See my TER Reviews 1788 reads
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The fault NEVER lies with the victim of sexual harassment/unwanted sexual advances (or worse). The fault lies with the perpetrator every.single.time. People are responsible for their own actions. A woman is not "asking for it" by what she wears, how much she drinks, where she walks, how beautiful she is, how she dances. Never.

Victim-blaming and slut-shaming perpetuates rape culture.

And, now I sound like a broken record, but that needed to be said.

Perpetrators are at fault, every time. Period.

Lila Aubrey See my TER Reviews 1691 reads
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In Texas, everyone has a gun, but the problem with getting one for protection is that you've got to be prepared to use it.  Or someone will take it from you and use it on you.  :(

2labman 26 Reviews 1591 reads
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With their canes, handbags, high heels, anything they can grab...

Dr Who revived 1507 reads
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And depending on who you want to discuss that with...there is a very different version of that.

Something about swords...yeah, those worked better than stares  LOL
Posted By: OpenMindedGFE
I would lol. I've done it with ghetto clients when I was clueless about screening... (And so was the BP agency I worked for...)  
   
 You bet eye contact and intent staring will tell someone to GTFO.  
   
 But your idea works too. King David actually used that strategy when king Saul sent people out to kill him. Lol. It worked!

89Springer 1907 reads
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you're still more likely than most women to be bothered. Excuse me if I phrased it in a "you're asking for it" sort of way, which I didn't think I did.

89Springer 1658 reads
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I get that a lot from people. I just say, "well, if it's so easy to take a gun from somebody, I'll just take it right back."

StinaValentine See my TER Reviews 1529 reads
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No, you didn't. I'm sorry, Springer. It's a touchy subject for me. I've had girlfriends get blamed for being victims of sexual harassment and sexual assault.

Posted By: 89Springer
you're still more likely than most women to be bothered. Excuse me if I phrased it in a "you're asking for it" sort of way, which I didn't think I did.

Dr Who revived 1698 reads
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No wonder this country has the highest murder rate in the world.

You're a genius...but I'll bet you wouldn't pull that trigger either...or if you do how will you be able to post on TER from the Big House?  

I guess you'd throw out the "self defense" as your reasoning.  Yep...shooting an unarmed person in broad daylight...self defense  LOL

I needed a good laugh today...thanks  :D
Posted By: StinaValentine
Problem solved. :)

StinaValentine See my TER Reviews 1919 reads
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I should have been more clear. I didn't mean shoot him for sexual harassment. I meant if one is being attacked.

In her state and my state, the attacker doesn't have to be armed. The victim has to be in fear for their life.
Posted By: ChgoCPA
No wonder this country has the highest murder rate in the world.  
   
 You're a genius...but I'll bet you wouldn't pull that trigger either...or if you do how will you be able to post on TER from the Big House?    
   
 I guess you'd throw out the "self defense" as your reasoning.  Yep...shooting an unarmed person in broad daylight...self defense  LOL  
   
 I needed a good laugh today...thanks  :D  
   
Posted By: StinaValentine
Problem solved. :)

Dr Who revived 1731 reads
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Shooting someone (especially at close range) who is simply asking for a phone number over and over isn't threatening whatsoever (as in doing you bodily harm).  If you want to tell me the assailant is chasing you down, brandishing a weapon (of some sort...maybe his cock?) and verbally threatening you (with hopefully some witnesses to corroborate your story) then perhaps I can see you pulling out a gun and firing a warning shot...and if he still doesn't want to back down...then take his leg(s) out.

Otherwise I can't see how a judge/jury won't find you guilty of murder.  But at least you'd be allowed a trial to prove otherwise.  And that dude who just wanted a phone number is dead...he won't be testifying.  Good call on that :(
Posted By: StinaValentine
I should have been more clear. I didn't mean shoot him for sexual harassment. I meant if one is being attacked.  
   
 In her state and my state, the attacker doesn't have to be armed. The victim has to be in fear for their life.  
   
Posted By: ChgoCPA
No wonder this country has the highest murder rate in the world.  
     
  You're a genius...but I'll bet you wouldn't pull that trigger either...or if you do how will you be able to post on TER from the Big House?    
     
  I guess you'd throw out the "self defense" as your reasoning.  Yep...shooting an unarmed person in broad daylight...self defense  LOL  
     
  I needed a good laugh today...thanks  :D  
     
Posted By: StinaValentine
Problem solved. :)

inicky46 61 Reviews 1744 reads
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People are busy and self-absorbed but generally helpful to tourists.  Why do you think so many people come to visit?
And, yes, Lila's hotness factor must have had something to do with it.  But why assume the guy lived in NY?  Maybe he was a tourist from Cleveland.

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Not in Illinois, but in Texas and Georgia you can shoot someone if you are in fear for your life. There's more to it than that. But, the person being shot at does not have to be armed for the shooter to be justified.

And, I did clarify. Not for sexual harassment or asking for a phone number.  
Posted By: ChgoCPA
Shooting someone (especially at close range) who is simply asking for a phone number over and over isn't threatening whatsoever (as in doing you bodily harm).  If you want to tell me the assailant is chasing you down, brandishing a weapon (of some sort...maybe his cock?) and verbally threatening you (with hopefully some witnesses to corroborate your story) then perhaps I can see you pulling out a gun and firing a warning shot...and if he still doesn't want to back down...then take his leg(s) out.  
   
 Otherwise I can't see how a judge/jury won't find you guilty of murder.  But at least you'd be allowed a trial to prove otherwise.  And that dude who just wanted a phone number is dead...he won't be testifying.  Good call on that :(  
   
Posted By: StinaValentine
I should have been more clear. I didn't mean shoot him for sexual harassment. I meant if one is being attacked.  
     
  In her state and my state, the attacker doesn't have to be armed. The victim has to be in fear for their life.  
     
Posted By: ChgoCPA
No wonder this country has the highest murder rate in the world.    
       
   You're a genius...but I'll bet you wouldn't pull that trigger either...or if you do how will you be able to post on TER from the Big House?      
       
   I guess you'd throw out the "self defense" as your reasoning.  Yep...shooting an unarmed person in broad daylight...self defense  LOL    
       
   I needed a good laugh today...thanks  :D    
       
   
Posted By: StinaValentine
Problem solved. :)

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1819 reads
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1 Sam 21. I did get the details mixed up, but oh well lol. It got him out of a bad situation lol.

Dr Who revived 1266 reads
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Because you will have a rude awakening with your rudimentary understanding of how the law actually works.

I'm sure a judge/jury will listen to your defense argument...and pass sentence on the act accordingly.

Good luck..you're going to need it in life.  BTW...luck is not a good life plan!
Posted By: StinaValentine
Not in Illinois, but in Texas and Georgia you can shoot someone if you are in fear for your life. There's more to it than that. But, the person being shot at does not have to be armed for the shooter to be justified.  
   
 And, I did clarify. Not for sexual harassment or asking for a phone number.  
   
Posted By: ChgoCPA
Shooting someone (especially at close range) who is simply asking for a phone number over and over isn't threatening whatsoever (as in doing you bodily harm).  If you want to tell me the assailant is chasing you down, brandishing a weapon (of some sort...maybe his cock?) and verbally threatening you (with hopefully some witnesses to corroborate your story) then perhaps I can see you pulling out a gun and firing a warning shot...and if he still doesn't want to back down...then take his leg(s) out.  
     
  Otherwise I can't see how a judge/jury won't find you guilty of murder.  But at least you'd be allowed a trial to prove otherwise.  And that dude who just wanted a phone number is dead...he won't be testifying.  Good call on that :(  
     
Posted By: StinaValentine
I should have been more clear. I didn't mean shoot him for sexual harassment. I meant if one is being attacked.    
       
   In her state and my state, the attacker doesn't have to be armed. The victim has to be in fear for their life.    
       
   
Posted By: ChgoCPA
No wonder this country has the highest murder rate in the world.    
         
    You're a genius...but I'll bet you wouldn't pull that trigger either...or if you do how will you be able to post on TER from the Big House?      
         
    I guess you'd throw out the "self defense" as your reasoning.  Yep...shooting an unarmed person in broad daylight...self defense  LOL    
         
    I needed a good laugh today...thanks  :D    
         
   
Posted By: StinaValentine
Problem solved. :)

AnotherDonJohn 1365 reads
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Chances are while one of ya was feeling violated, I snuck up and took your taxi you hailed.
Then, when you knocked on the window to complain, I flipped you off and told ya to go back to Kansas (or Texas).  

I'm from the South, so who am I kidding with the tough talk?:)
But really, don't act a victim in any big city, and most likely, you won't be one.  
There are guys who will harass a lady in every city.  
Posted By: GaGambler
and not to suck up here, but you are rather hot.

Speaking for myself, I can't imagine pestering a woman for her number once turned down. That's not "having game" or even "being persistent" that's being an ass, and I mean that in the "not good" way.

My board persona aside, I am not really the type to simply "hit on" an unsuspecting woman, I am the type that needs at least some kind of encouragement so your manner of dress would be immaterial to me. As for your safety, I would simply suggest you stay on well lit, well traveled streets, and be polite but firm. I wish I had better advice for you.

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Deadly force cases hinge on the DA or the jury's willingness to believe that the person attacked was in fear of great bodily injury. The bodily injury does not need to happen.

Where the case is fairly strong for the defendant, DA's are often if not usually likely to no-bill, as DA's are politicians, and the public doesn't like to see victims put on trial. I've seen cases where the victim (shooter) had absolutely no cause to shoot (perp was running away down the street, for example), but yet the DA declined to press charges.  

Women have a bit of an advantage in convincing the DA or jury that they were in fear of bodily harm, for obvious reasons.  

Even if a person is not charged, or is charged but not found guilty, the story isn't over.  If the victim has any net worth, the perp or his family will go after the victim in civil court. My instructors taught their students to assume that they will spend at least $50K to defend themselves in a civil suit if they're involved in a shooting.

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I said Gentlemen!

-- Modified on 5/5/2014 11:18:14 PM

GaGambler 1445 reads
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The victim doesn't need any net worth to "go after" you, but there is no sense in going after someone who is broke themselves. You can't spend a judgment unless you can collect on it.

Aside from that, you and Stina are correct, at least as the law is written and enforced in both Georgia and Texas, I wouldn't advise testing this theory up north though. In places like NYC you could be getting gang raped by a dozen armed thugs and still be likely to face charges if you used deadly force to defend yourself, but at least you would be alive:)

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I wish it was okay to carry a fake detective badge to flash with some of these parasites. Or it might get ya shot depending on their views of cops. It just amazes me how these douchy dickwads yell at a lady, she is not interested and they call her a bitch.  

They be the bitches for hollering like yahoos out a car window.

89Springer 1564 reads
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GaGambler, I'm from the north, Wisconsin to be exact. I spent several years heading a group lobbying for shall-issue concealed carry laws. As such, I had to do a lot of research, and keep track of defensive "civilian" (I hate that term) shootings.

You misunderstand my use of the word "victim". I'm using it to describe the man or woman attacked by a bad guy. A bad guy shot is not a victim. He's just part of Darwin's process of elimination. That won't stop some lawyer from convincing the bad guy or his family that they can win money in a civil suit against the victim the bad guy tried to harm.  

The case I referred to with the victim shooting the bad guy as he ran down the street was in Waukesha county. The bad guy had already left the convenience store he'd tried to rob. The owner pursued him outside and shot him as he fled. It was not self defense by any stretch of the imagination, but the DA didn't pursue it.  

There was a case involving a pizza delivery guy on Milwaukee's north side. In July of 2005 he was about to be robbed at gunpoint by a group of punks, but he pulled his illegally carried pistol and shot them. The assistant DA declined to press charges, but told him not to carry again. So he didn't. In September he was robbed and beaten by a group of punks, but had no means to defend himself. He went back to carrying, and was approached in January by another group of punks who were going to rob him. He shot them.  

The assistant DA was ticked that he disobeyed her, and she pressed multiple charges. It went to court, but the DA and the governor apparently had a "come to Jesus" meeting with the judge, because the judge threw out all of the charges. Prosecuting would have been a really bad move politically, especially as we were pushing the state supreme court to strike down the state's ban on concealed carry (which is why the governor stepped in).

As for NYC, remember that Bernard Goetz was found not guilty by reason of self defense in the shooting of four bad guys. Of course, one of the bad guys sued Goetz and won $43 million. Who says crime doesn't pay

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I am thankful that I have spent most of my adult life in the South where the guns laws at least make a lot more sense.

I assume you are an NRA member which would mean that you must be very familiar with the town I used to live in, Kennesaw, Georgia where they still have a law on the books "requiring" citizens to own a firearm. I can't speak for the entire city, but my neighborhood was a rather safe one. I won't claim cause and effect but..........

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