I think you do a damn fine job around here. Sure, there are some immature losers here, but that's every message board, and life in general. As much as any of us hate to admit it, it's still entertaining. People should not get their panties in a bunch because somebody might have said something mean on the internet.

Some moderating is obviously neccesary, but moderators like Fuzzy are entirely useless. He was the most hated moderator by men and women alike, and with good reasons, to numerous to detail. He was nothing more than a legend in his own mind, and still is. This board is busy and I for one, appreciate the thankless work you guys do. Good job!

...to see how the other half thinks.

Women post here because they have an opinion to share, not as a subtle form of advertising.  That's what their regional boards are for.  They should know they have to be thick-skinned here, but there should be no ganging up or piling on because they're outnumbered and eventually even the toughest ones will leave.

Boys are raised to fight and argue. I can't remember the last time I saw girls "doing the dozens" -- your mother is so fat...

By asking the opinion of the people that are here, you're asking the group that is, for the most part happy with the status quo.  The reason is the others have voted with their feet and don't participate.  I had the marketing research departments of two companies report to me, and this was one of the first things they taught me about sampling errors (I'm not a researcher by training).

The reality is, only a small percentage of visitors to this site post on the discussion boards.  They either come here for other reasons, such as to search reviews, or they look at the discussion boards and leave because it's not to their liking.  Unfortunately, we don't know what changes to the board might attract more of the people that look and leave.  And asking those that stay, simply skews the results in favor of the status quo and reinforces the perception that no improvements are necessary.

And BTW, this isn't some academic bullshit- Oldsmobile went out of business because it utilized this approach when researching its new car designs.  The company kept asking its existing customers what they liked, and they always kept saying we like it just the way it is.  This continued right up until the time there were no new customers and they went out of business.

All boards seek their own level, and attract people that are OK with the board as it is.  The others leave.  So while it's nice to be asked the question, don't confuse the responses you get with an objective sampling of the attitudes of visitors to TER and what improvements might be made to attract a wider range of members to participate.

there are some very nice people*men* on this
board who have been helpful to many ladies. there
are some that think of this place as some sort of
backroom poolhall yes, but to make blanket
ascertions as yours just assures YOUR place
at their table.

i have followed some of your postings and you
seem to have elected yourself as some sort of
board femi-nazi. if i were these men you would
be far down on any list of mine. if you were to
assess each situation from a moderate stance you
may see the mens positions as worthy of analysis. instead you have insisted that the providers ALWAYS should be conceded to.

this board lacks decorum. you can help that change if you desire to

bye. you proved my point

If you will excuse me, I have some gaping assholes pictures to download for my collection.

I saw posts this weekend about how mean the board is and how people are leaving in droves.  I'd quote the statistics of why that's bullshit, but I'm not here to convince people of anything.  I will say that in spite of being the most liberal mod since the days of Fuzzy, I (or my co-mod) still denied 21 posts just yesterday.  For the record, only 3 belonged to MP67 who seems to be more behaved lately in spite of his verbal diarrhea.  I guess what I'm saying is that IF the board is mean, it's because YOU want it that way.  As I look to the top of the screen now, the # of users online is listed as 11,494.  I'm certain that many of those people don't know this board exists, but the direction of the board is not driven by any one of that group, but rather the group as a whole.  In general, my belief is that it's up to the group to make it nicer if that's the consensus.

Some things for people to consider:
* You don't see the crap that doesn't make the board.
* Many people here know each other and poke fun at one another.
* What is mean to you is funny to someone else.
* This website is for adults and covers adult topics.
* Sometimes adults are childish.
* Insecure people pick on others to avoid looking at their own failures.

So, stepping down from my soap box, here's the question...do you want me to stop people from speaking their mind if in my judgement someone, anyone, just might be offended?  If I take that approach and board posts get cut by say 60%, will the board really be better?  Will decreased posts really improve participation?  If that's what the group decides (by show of hands on this thread), I'll implement it for a trial period of one week.  Remember, any post I deny is less for the mods to read and less replies to read as well, so you'd really be saving me work, lol.

The boards has always been that way. Every1 here is an adult. The majority can't be wrong. If a thread offends people, and the majority of replies are discouraging, then they are only trying to send a message. Hopefully, the OP will reflect on the message before posting a new thread.

The GD board is only a sample, and other samples of discouraging replies can be found throughout the regional boards.

I like the GD because replies are not passive. If everyone is passive, then the message will not be effectively delivered.

I have learned to accepted and appreciate the GD for what it delivers and provides. There are posting rules, and those are the only reasons why I see for the Mods to moderate the replies.

Liberty is essential in these boards. Take me for example, I use to post ridiculous comments, then I would get negative replies. This has modify how I would post and respond. These negative replies are beneficial because it does have a purpose.

Everyone here is an adult. Its not a perfect board, and no boards are perfect. Fuck, life ain't perfect. Don't do it bro. It would suck ass if all I read are positive comments.

Glad to hear he's leaned how to roll with it and move on without whining.  Others should, too.  I used to get shit for posting too much and I realized the detractors were at least partly right.  I now take pride in watching myself slip ever downward on the "charts."
So fuck censorship. Ideally, this board should be self-policing. There's lots of diversity on this board, including posts and posters I can't stand.  But I don't want them muzzled, either.

you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen!

There have been days when I have not recieved the my favorite kind of response..
We live in a world that is so politically correct and it drives me crazy..

We preach to our children to not tell lies and then we teach them to lie in every social situation..

There are bullies here.. That is true.. but when do we learn to stand up for what we believe?
Only the strong survive.. weed out the weak and move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... to make "us" be nice, it is an impossibilty. I notice the meanness. I have concluded that not only do people enjoy being mean, people enjoy it when others are mean to them. In the immortal words of Annie Lennox:

Everybody's looking for something.
Some of them want to use you
Some of them want to get used by you
Some of them want to abuse you
Some of them want to be abused.

I agree with MacDonald000. LOL  First of all I thought you were going to keep the series of rants going a lot longer when you started the second 12 days. I kind of enjoyed reading your rants,and figured there were a lot more than 14. Of course someone still owes you a song for the first 12

As for this one, I vote to leave this board as is. No need for more censorship, no need for less. I am sure the posts that you do deny, there is probably good reason, and I leave it to your (and Gambler's) judgement. I have had very few posts of mine pulled, and when I asked why, I received good reason. The board can be mean and blunt sometimes, but people are free to leave or to not read it. Some of that goes back to your earlier rant of "dont't take it so seriously, it's a fuck board." Unfortunately some do take it too seriously. Then again there is the humor part, where like you said, a bunch of people here are friends and just messing with each other. People oustide of the loop pop in and don't realize it is all in humor.
There are also a lot of threads and fun stuff where everyone does get along. Romeo's game, stupid threads about timestamps, etc.

There does seem to be less providers posting. Maybe some of them are getting scared off. (of course some of them--one in particular of recent--deserved to be chased off kicking and screaming) and that is just my perception, not a statistic. I might be wrong. But I do like hearing the providers perspective on things, and it is really nice having them here. so I hope we don't scare them off, but they have to be big girls too to play here.

I like Victoria's idea of tryng to start a new kinder gentler board also. Maybe the powers to be will hear her. I would go play on that board too, but keep this one as is.

I commend you for the job you're doing. I find the result quite entertaining and would actually like to see what gets 86'd before posting.

We will just find something else to whine about!   lol

is " best of " for reviews sake .
Kinda like the Best of Craigslist .
Leave off the names and post the reviews that are truly spectacular .
Let people forward them to you , and then post in the " best of " catagory after you strip the names off of them .
I don't see how anyone could be harmed as they are anonymous .
Post the good , bad and hilarious .

I find this picture very politically incorrect but funny as hell.  I hasten to add, I would never beat anybody with anything.  Of course, I did dick-slap a girl's pussy last night but she asked me to.

Phil, thanks for asking the question.

I do not think anything needs to be changed with THIS board, but I would suggest a lot of the frustration, departed people, and anger could be solved with a relatively minor change to the site as a whole.

It is already recognized that the newbie board is intended for new folks to get their toes wet without the locker room flame throwers torching then too badly.  If that (or another board on here) was deemed a low-hostility board where people who want serious inputs/help/etc could keep the topic on track, that would likely improve both ends of the spectrum.

As it is now, this is about the only place those threads belong if one was to read the different thread descriptions.  I belong to (and moderate) a number of other sites (not escort sites but in general), most of which have two such boards--one where there is freer lisence to be civil or not, one where it is expected most the guns will be checked at the door.  People float between the two rather freely, but they feel more willing to post some topical material in the no-fire zone because they tend to get serious replies to serious questions, yet can still throw rocks (or be the target of rocks) in the "main" board.

An example of a thread that really bothered me on here because of the juveniles jumping in was a few years back when a guy found out his daughter was escorting and was looking for serious input.  He got some, but he also got a lot of back slapping morons who think every topic is appropriate for sick humor.  So long as there is no alternative forum there is no place safe from stupidity.  That post alone cost the board more than one valuable poster because they were sick of some of the replies.

Again, I am NOT in favor of changing this board (not that it would matter if I was), just providing an alternate haven for those topics that warrent it.  Redefining the Newbie board to be for more than new posters/members might well solve the problem.

I agree that most of the posts on GD are BS, many are obnoxious, and the great majority of the others are pretty much pointless. I suspect that even most of the active posters will agree with that. The others can call me whatever they want. It is a rowdy boys, online, social club, and the boys will be boys. You want a sensitive, well-thought out discussion, go somewhere else.

That is why I hardly ever visit this board any more - just a waste of time.

But there are many places, many boards on TER, that have a different tone, and I do not see any reason why you need to change the tone here by extreme moderation. I do think you might consider reducing the number of times a question is asked and one of the first responses is to call the person an idiot for asking such a stupid question. By the rules of the board that is a personal attack and a violation, but if you do not do that, it is no big deal to me. Those posters can go to the Newbie board, post the same question, and usually get more gentle, helpful replies.

I promise to drop by again in another 2 months, either way.

happy holidays, boys,
zig

Yes, it can be rough here but sometimes tough love is called for.  People who post their problems are asking others opinions & should expect to be answered & if some speak their mind harshly, so be it.  There are others who speak softly to make their points.  The overall tone of the board is an "average".    
The Newbies are correctly directed to that board where a little softer approach is the rule.  
I sincerely commend the mods for the job they do very well indeed.
H

wasnt aware mods are allowed to rant, oh my!

I'm pretty good at rolling with the punches, and I think the fact that I post on this board more than most other providers is evidence of that.  Very few posts here offend me; some do, but I'm a grown up, and I know how to roll my eyes and move on.  GENERALLY SPEAKING, I'm all for letting the status quo stay.  

However, you have to recognize that the status quo is NOT particularly provider friendly.  The men on this board routinely say derogatory things about our looks, age, weight, screening processes, expectations, and a million other things.  "Bros before Hos" is a battle cry, and oh my, most of y'all are very good soldiers in your manly unity.  I'm not talking about MP - he doesn't offend me at all, and don't tell him this, but he frequently makes me laugh.  But Hirogena and Jack Schitt and all the other morons who are CLEARLY trolls do drive providers away; I swear, there was one week where there had to be at least 5 separate "why are all the providers here old and fat" threads.  Seriously, what purpose do they serve other than to rile us up?

I think that posts that give honest opinions are great - even when the person giving the opinion is an ass (and there are many asses here).  But the trolling posts are ridiculous, and they are largely the reason that girls stay away.  

So I guess I'm saying that it's fine with me if the status quo stays, but y'all ought not bitch about the lack of providers participating if this is how you want it.

I tend to avoid this board but check in occasionaly.  I rarely post due to the high amount of what I consider low brow and somewhat childlike behavior.  Little Phil ided this issue.  My two cents, flame away!  I won't read it.

Typical - another troll stalker.  Fuzzy was the easiest Mod TER ever had, and moderated  virtually no one, pulled  almost zero  posts, and was a Libertarian that hated censorship. He had crazy stalkers - one that he dated, that posted lies all over the internet about him.  Some hated his humor, but he was an easy Mod. You are another crazy stalker that thinks she's hot, when she's a fat ass.

yea, that didn't take long.

I have no knowledge of Fuzzy - he was before my time here.  And I don't care.  But your desire to immediately jump to "fat ass" provider language speaks for itself.

Yes, I recognize it's humor aimed at the subject matter at hand, and no, I'm not offended by you.  If this were a "normal" thread, I would just ignore you.  I'm glad you think you're funny, but most of us mature folks (and yes, I'm one of those old, fat providers - lol) just think you're an immature loser taking cheap shots.  And most of the providers I know don't like immature losers.  So enjoy your boys club, cause that's all it will ever be.

I agree, the General board serves a purpose and should not be changed.  I don't participate on the General board too often, since I usually like to stay clear of all of the BS ...LOL ...but I do post when I see something interesting (like this thread).

I'm also a member of another website and forum which is similar to what you've described.  They have a separate forum for those who want a moderation-free zone ...anything goes and the only rule is that you don't post personal info and out a person.

Anyways, since TER is big community, a new board might be in order to serve those who wish to participate in a less confrontational, i.e. safe haven.  In fact, a couple of suggestions were recently posted on the S&P board.

no

i am perfectly comfortable playing here when i am in the mood.

there are folks who are more sensitive, judgemental, whatever ..... who feel intimidated here. they don't "leave in droves" they just never show up but complain elsewhere.

it would be nice if there were a separate "nice" GD board that would appeal to that nice maret as well. but i wouldn't change how this place works.

as long as MP67 behaves and I stop drunk-posting. lmao

And for the record, I never thought this board was mean.  In fact I felt that it's quite the opposite. Sure, there are alias sniper attacks here and there, and occasional attacks from real-usernames who think they are tough stuff for not hiding (lol), but as a whole it's very informative and friendly.

I think you & gambler are doing a great job, no need to change anything...
unless something is truly broke/broken and needs to be fixed.  
(like my wallet after last night at the strip club. damn)

I move posts daily to the Newbie board for the protection of the user that is asking a question where I don't feel comfortable that he/she would get a helpful response or a warm welcome.  Having moderated the newbie board for a year, the difference in tone is significant.  Still, my mod mentor reminded me often that the user comes to the site for the reviews, but stays because of the boards.  The Newbie board is the place where we hold them gently and make them feel safe until they get used to the game.  I view it like driver education; you start on back roads and don't jump onto LA highways at rush hour until you have earned your stripes.

The Carolina Board is a pretty active board - we have daily posts and banter, and, for the most part, we all get along pretty well there.  I think it's one of the best local boards that TER has.

Lungman recently asked why more of the folks on the Carolina Board don't post here.  The answers were unanimous - most of the Carolinians (North and South) don't like the general tone here.  Maybe it's our southern upbringings that foster better manners.  Maybe it's because we're a small group, and it's harder to be rude to people you actually know.  Whatever the reason, we have created our own oasis there, and my guess is that social pressure would come down hard on anyone who tries to disrupt it.

I can run with the big doggies here, but I prefer to play with the southern boys in the Carolinas.  I think that is true for a lot us.

You did pop my bubble of mod superiority but I appreciate the point.  In the interest of a kinder, gentler board, I won't even call you an old fat ho.  The fact that you're a guy is irrelevant, lol.

maybe it's time to administer your meds.  lol

-- Modified on 12/19/2011 7:21:43 PM

so I actually went back to look at my prior posts to see if I could understand.

And then I got it.

I told Squeezylabeef that he should give his wife priority over a provider.  I stand by that post, because, all evidence to the contrary, I actually believe in the sanctity of marriage.  (I would define my own relationship as "monongamish," if you're hip enough to know who Dan Savage is, and what he endorses.)  But you, my dear, are not the wife - you are the other woman, which means that I am endorsing putting you in second place.  And second place is clearly where you belong.

I mostly started here. I was to dumb to get my feet wet on the newbie board. Yes I followed that board but most of my posts was on this one. I got my ass kick over and over again.

Guess what it helped me. It made me look at things, it made me grow (as did real life). I learned a great deal and after a while even earned the respect of some. (Yes, I know some still seemed inclined to kick me from time to time, like No_Co-eds_for_Scoed. Sometime I still deserve to be kicked)

I think you, little phil, and your co-mod GaGambler do a good job with the board. I would be a bit more likely to pull attack post then you two but I like the way this board is. I feel there is no need to change this board. Sometimes you need to get a bit beat up in order to grow. This board provides that. Plus I think it is a bit more friendly then it was when I first got here, but maybe that is only because I am not the one getting kicked for the most part.

Here is a photo to say thanks from Met-Art.com. It is of Katy D. You like them young and blonde if I recall little phil.

You know better than that. Sure there are some mean people here. There are mean people everywhere. The one you sit across from at work could be a dreadful person. You gonna quit cuz of it? No. You'll go cry to HR. The mods are the HR here, so to speak.

Yeah, it's been said 'If you can't hang with the big dogs' or 'better grow a thick skin' when this board is talked about. But I, for one, appreciate some of the serious subjects that are brought up and know when to be helpful instead of hurtful. I didn't say I exercised it all the time, just that I acknowledged those times.

There's always going to be some 11 year old trapped in a 50 year old's body. If you're not his mama and can slap the shit out of him, just ignore him. He's doing whatever he's doing for attention. If he, me, or any other person didn't get the attention here they'll move on to somewhere else.

On a lighter note, I think I have been more 'behaved' lately. But I have selfish reasons. And as far as being responsible for 'only' 14% of your denied posts yesterday, I'm kinda curious what the percentile looked like oh, say, last year, lol!

I don't understand how they expect this board to be anything but a cesspool of juvenile behavior and attacks when a mod is one of the biggest low-brow douchebas/attackers.

I won't tell him. That asshole's head can barely fit through the door as it is...

Along with me and a whole shitload of other people who posted in this thread

Still, well thought out and to the point though.

...and get your arses BACK TO WORK!!  It's no wonder the economy is in the tank!  Nobody's getting any work done!  You're all online here bantering how big your little wienee is!!  ....or trying to figure which ho's panties ya wanna remove tonight!   Ya dicker about this...and dick her about that.  You're payin' a hefty price just to make yourselves popular.  The masses despise you!  You need to go to the vet and get distemper shots every other week.  You have no idea how normal fuckers operate in this world.


OOOPS, excuse me, my bad......thought I was on the Congressional Forum!!!  

but seriously, shit it down for a week and let's all get back to nature!!  Say no to implants for a week!  I dare ya!!  LOL

"You know better than that. Sure there are some mean people here. There are mean people everywhere. The one you sit across from at work could be a dreadful person. You gonna quit cuz of it? No. You'll go cry to HR. The mods are the HR here, so to speak"

Bullshit. The mods perpetuate the ugliness and rank juvenile behavior.

Anything that remotely offends anyone needs to be reomoved post haste.   We need to have a standard that if anyone is potentially offended it is inappropriate in a board dedicated to commercial sex transactions.

Its not funny if people's feelings get hurt.  We need aggessive mods who make sure nobody who stumbles across a board dedicated to celebrating commercial sex transactions is offended.

Ever since you got here you posted negative shit. The very one's that 'perpetuate the ugliness' let your shit fly.

Really must suck to be you. Seeing what you see in the mirror everyday. Taking it out on everybody else.

Fuck. Glad I ain't you is all I gotta say.

The GD board is barely a CBJ in comparison.

Too bad that some of the biggest complainers are some of the most negative people in their own right.

I am pleased that the overwhelming majority are for free speech and against censorship. I don't mind being a "board cop" but I don't want to be writing parking tickets all day, I would rather deal only with major felonies.

Just getting rid of all the alias handles?

I'm opposed to censorship, but you may get more decorum if people had to stand behind what they say.

... even the Supreme Court has recognized that anonymity is an important aspect of the guarantee of free speech, so aliases should stay. The lack of aliases would do more harm in terms of true disclosure than the good it would do in preventing attacks.

I generally agree that people should not be attacked gratuitously, and I find it really nasty when people do it from behind an alias to boot. However, there are most definitely behaviors that merit extremely strong criticism. Personally, I use my aliases for fun and when I level criticism or say something controversial, I do so from my real ID. However, sometimes truth hurts and those who use it will use an alias to prevent unjustified backlash.

Freedom has its good points and its bad. (*shrug*)

This electronic medium with all it's advantages truly has some pitfalls. On many boards, not just TER, misunderstandings happen. As you stated phil, some of the "mean" posts are actually a couple guys teasing one another and all is well until someone jumps in who has no idea and takes sides. It is up to the people involved to right the wrong and not rely on a moderator to bring peace. I would hope that you and your mod comrades do not take an overly heavy hand due to the fact that "this medium", with all it's pitfalls and advantages is still the best thing out here.

Just an Old ugly fat fuck with an opinion

I strongly disagree on both.  Yes, there is too much flaming here.  I don't think I start any of it, but if someone flames me I will zap them back with my best shot.  Yes, there are too many angry, misogynistic creeps here (they would say there are too many manginas).  This game attracts weirdness on both sides of the transaction.  So you can look at the tensioin between the two sides as healthy self-policing.  As for me, if there's censorship or alias banning, I'm outa here.  I encourage more ladies to post, and to take the heat.  Shit, it's only a fuck-board.  Anybody whose feelings get really hurt by any of it needs a shrink.
PS:  I am not worried that either censorship or alias-banning will happen.

You sure do -snatch- some great pics from that site.


Thank you
XLVI = 4

I don't mean to be dismissive of your post, but virtually every post made here is going to offend someone.

Sappy mangina posts offend the "asshole crowd". Insulting posts offend the manginas. Posts that say that providers are simply people offend some people. Posts that claim providers are somehow different than everyone else offends other people.

For every post ever made on this board, I guarantee you I can find someone who was offended by it. So what is your PC solution? Would you have us pull every single post ever made, or do you propose that we only pull posts that YOU find offensive?

I think LP was being quite generous when he stated we might be pulling 60% of the posts made here, using your standards we would be pulling 100% of the posts.

Since virtually every one of them is negative and a personal attack of my co-mod?  For the record, almost every one of your posts that does see the light of day is approved by HIM, not me.  I think you're a worthless addition to this board.

Maybe he will do a review of one, or several Steers ( Aggie Fan ) he has fucked?
Just a thought!!  lol

-- Modified on 12/20/2011 9:59:28 AM

when someone uses an alias for no apparent reason or uses an alias to rake somebody through the mud.

Happy Holidays to one and all.

“People” are obviously still here. But, it’s also rather obvious that the level of provider participation has declined. And, women who are not providers (well, everyone but me?) are declining to participate. And the reason for that seems pretty obvious. And, I would hope you don’t actually have to be a woman to understand that.

Now, before anyone jumps in and calls me a femi-nazi---again…lol…another obvious fact is that, anyone on this board has already abandoned a significant amount of ‘political correctness’. We "can take a joke".

But, there is funny, and there is vile and offensive. There is difference between posting a comment that might be offensive to some, or responding to a post with a strong opinion>>>>and LEADING with a post that is “obviously intended” to be offensive, and is posted for the *sole purpose* of being offensive. And around here that is nearly inevitably directed at women.

Then again, you boys clearly eat your young....lol...

Now, I see lots of guys jump in and say they only use an alias to be funny or add levity. And, in many cases that’s true. But, we all know that’s not the whole story. Alias asshats sliver out from underneath rocks all the time to throw slime anonymously (while declaring what manly men they are)

The reality is this schtick with: “providers are old, fat, drug addicted, crazy ho’s with smelly pussies that are little more than a hunk-o-raw liver to stick my dick into while they charge me too much money” posts are, OBVIOUSLY, intended to be offensive-----*to providers*…who are, *obviously* women (on TER anyway).

Does TER want more women to participate? If the answer is yes? well then…there is your answer. If no? you got that too…lol…

As the Monkey House at the Zoo, where the ihhabitants fling their poo at each other.

LP, I think you and Gambler already know Aggie and I will probably never see eye-to-eye. I'm giving him every opportunity, which isn't in my character.

BUT, I'll take assassinations on my character all day. You guys, not so much. Mikey don't like that.

You know what I want you to do. Some others as well. But we can't start a trend, or give special courtesy. That wouldn't be right...

But if you would give me this liberty I'd like to say Aggie-shit is a cum-guzzling gutter-slut that should pull his head out of his culo if just for one day to realize if he keeps up with his shit he's gonna be eatin' alive sooner than he thinks.

He really should thank TER for others being moderated...

is the "gay golden and brown showers" of all boards.  

And THAT, friends, is the King of all  metaphors.


HH