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Jack_Inhoff 765 reads
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Thanks for the feedback to everyone who responded. Even the posts with harsh criticism had truths that I needed to hear.  With the exception of Robbin (her post seemed to be a projection of her fantasy on me), I don't have issue with the harshness of some of the posts in response.  After all, this is the GD board.  I knew what I was getting into and my skin has thickened somewhat.  I'm still a mangina, but I'm just not as much of one that I used to be. :-)

Jack_Inhoff2117 reads

I gotta vent. I'll first say that I have no pride in the fact that I participate in this dangerous game of pay for play.  I don't feel very moral about it and if people in the small town in which I live found out that I fuck hookers, I would be crucified.  I also know that for hookers, we're nothing but Johns who are paying for pussy.  Hookers aren't our girlfriends and don't give a shit about us except for our money.  At one time, I was reluctant to believe this, but reality eventually won me over.  

So, yeah, this hobby isn't for angels, but what's a guy to do to get laid outside the civvie world?!?!?! I'm not looking for a relationship and In the civvie world, any hot chick I run into either has a boyfriend or is married. Hell, it's been my experience that even if a gal is about a 6, tons of guys flock to her meaning I gotta deal with a shitload of competition for someone who looks like shit compared to the pussy I can buy.  

Some will say I just have no game. You know what? You're right. I don't. But I'm not going to change who I am so I can hope to get laid. I've played that game before, and it never got me anywhere. I guess we dudes just aren't a hot commodity, unless we got tons of money.  On the other hand, smoking hot chicks are a very hot commodity...and because of that, I can just say goodbye to getting laid by one of them outside of this hobby.  

So, for the foreseeable future, it's jerking off and occasionally fucking hookers.  I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is.  For those who would look down on me for this, just what do you suggest?

Florida_Evans753 reads

It's pretty easy to get a girlfriend because all (ok most) single women want to be in a relationship.  Your girlfriend doesn't have to be smoking hot or PSE.  Just get a regular nice girl.  

Try to get some balance in your life.  You can have a girlfriend who loves you, and if you get bored, maybe see a few providers here and there.

Florida_Evans949 reads

Well I guess you've answered your own question. :0)

You're a whoremonger.  Own it.  If anyone doesn't like it, fuck 'em.  I'm not proud of fucking hookers but I'm sure as shit not ashamed of it.  I'm only ashamed if I make a dumb-ass mistake and make sure not to make it twice.
I have no, zero, nunca interest in a civvie relationship.  Been there, done that, several times. I'm at a point in my life where I know who I am, what I want and am totally comfortable with myself about it.  Virtually everyone that matters to me knows, too, and is cool with it.
If you're not in that place, I'm sorry.  Try and get there.  Best of luck to you.

it's obvious you're trying to convince yourself.

sorry someone shit in your cereal this morning.

And you wouldn't leave yourself open to retorts this.  But you did

an everlasting fountain of recycled diarrhea ... yawn

And even Minnie's got more game than you. So, let me be blunt..

I'm kind of enjoying crapping on your head

AnotherDonJohn657 reads

Posted By: inicky46
I'm kind of enjoying crapping on your head.  
 

He is just pissed he can't get the random girl to fuck him.
Like Gambler said. That takes game.
It isn't that hard to figure out either.
It just takes shitloads of work..
Our great uncle Ben makes life a lot easier

Crisis25813 reads

I'm a big believer in the fake it till you make it philosophy. These civvies you want,  they like confidence. First time I had sex was 8 months back. Only a handful of people knew that. To the rest of the world I'm mister flirts with everyone. Fake confidence and real confidence will come. If you're not handsome,  I for instance don't consider myself to be,  develop a sense of humor. Get out in the world and develop some stories so that you have something to tell where a crowd will hang off your every word. I've trained shoulder to shoulder with men that don't exist. I've got a handful of people who would forever preach that they would be long since dead without me. Makes for a good entrance at parties when other people do the bragging for you.

There is no correct way to feel about the hobby, having a girlfriend, or your particular human condition.

So instead of saying change your way of feeling, I'd like to ask how many options do you REALLY have? What if you never meet a woman to hook up with? Are there ways of socializing in your circles that would bring you into contact with more unattached women? For example, a guy who hangs out with his buddies at a sports bar every weekend probably isn't going to connect with many women.

What if you just let people around you know that you'd like to meet someone? Do you think someone would set you up, maybe not with the lady of your dreams, but with someone who in turn might introduce you to new people?

If you are uncomfortable with wanting something and not being able to find it, there's really nothing unusual with that. Feeling down on yourself because you feel lonely isn't all that uncommon either, though you have to admit it's not very logical. You might feel frustrated because you can't find a better job, but would you kick yourself because this frustrates you?

Don't worry about how happy other men are with the hobby lifestyle. If you're not happy with it, you're not happy with it. There's no reason why you're SUPPOSED to be happy with it. Married men might feel that they SHOULD be happy with their wives, but if they're not they're not.

Unhappiness is just a way of knowing you're still alive. So I hope you work it out, but start by trying to accept that you are lonely and that there's nothing so unusual about the feeling, and certainly it is not WRONG to feel what you feel.

You are so used to being able to pick and choose the woman you want to fuck, provided that you have the funds, that that attitude has followed you when it comes to dating.  In the real world people usually hook up with someone that's in their league, so if you are a 4 or 5 don't expect to be able to pick up a chick who is a 6 or above.  Honestly I don't feel sorry for you, you sound really shallow.  When it comes to relationships its not about how good someone looks or how well they can give a bj.  Even a woman who is a 10 is going to get old and unattractive some day.  Quite honestly with your attitude you are probably scaring off women.  Hobbying has probably stunted you to the point where you don't even know how to talk to a woman anymore.

Now here comes the barrage of insults.

GaGambler717 reads

While that statement on the surface is quite true, if you pick "10's" thirty plus years younger than you, by the time they get old and withered, you'll be worm food anyhow and beyond caring.

Don't feel very moral about it?
you're not like most of us.

You live in a small town.
I live in a crazy, wild big city where nobody knows or care if I exist.

The hobby is not for angels. I too don't have game.  

Nobody here is going to look down on you.  

Yeah, I'm not changing either.  
You make sense. I agree and relate.

What I don't get is why you don't feel proud about it and why you're complaining about it here.
maybe you're younger.  
For me it has become who I am. like you say it is what it is

That maybe it's called a "hobby" for a reason.  It should be what you do, not who you are.  If you are this torqued up about participating, it might be time to take a break and get some perspective.  I do that from time to time just to level set myself and make sure I'm not getting an unhealthy addiction to it.

but even if you had the "game" for the smoking hot civvie babes it is still All ABOUT THE MONEY!

 I saw recently that Dr. Drew of "Celebrity Rehab" fame has a full length documentary coming out this summer called "Divorce Corp." focusing on the multi-billion dollar divorce industry in America.  

Women own the commodity, and by cruel reality of nature men are compelled to seek it. And through corporate Madison Avenue, mating rituals, the institution of the marriage contract, perceived value, and the very invention of money it is what it IS

GaGambler722 reads

How do you explain the fact that so many smoking hot women have dead beat boyfriends that sponge off of them?

Sorry, but maybe you guys should hate the players and not the game, as the game is nowhere near as hard as some of you make it sound. I can't be the only rather average looking guy around here who's been able to score with at least a few hot chicks in his life without paying for it, and without flaunting an Am Ex black card.

One thing I do find consistent about guys who can't seem to get laid without a fistful of hundreds, to a man they all believe they can't, and like all other self fulfilling prophecies, they prove themselves right every time.

Enjoy what the ladies have to offer, treat them with some respect here and in person and all is good. I agree 99% are in it for the money primarily but I am sure some have a way that can make you feel amazing and sometimes forget that it is a service.

First of all. You shouldn't be asking for advice from here for that.

Think of it this way...
I was in a rut latley. I was all wimpy, and gay about it..
Then I realized something...
I put myself there, and it was easy to get out of it..

See. I used to smoke massive amounts of weed, and fuck around with music programs with all of my spare time.
The coolest nerd on the block. I was miserable.

I took up a new hobby..
No.. Not fucking hookers.. Dancing.  
Learning how to dance is much more than learning the steps..
It's an unspoken interaction of intentions... Deep I know! :D
It's something every guy who spends too much time alone should learn.
Anyway. That. Combined with meeting lots of new people all of the time increased the amounts of dates I go on ten fold.
Getting them all to fuck me is another story.. Still working on that! :D

After all, most women think a guy who can dance is a guy who's good in bed ;)

Get your nut and enjoy the company of some lovely ladies you would never have met otherwise. If you're open to it, the brief moments of connection here can provide the same sustenance as a casual civvie relationship (don't get carried away). Regarding hot chicks, I'm not the first to discover that there is often an inverse relationship between appearance and performance, so try to look past the first glance and you may enjoy yourself more.

As to your other point, you just need to start making plans to get out of town, even if just for some brief travel. Nothing expensive either; if you can afford a tank of gas, you can travel. People often default to small-mindedness and being judgmental, which can be reinforced by the pack mentality found in small towns/communities. Get the hell out of Dodge, man! It'll do so much for your mindset.

I do it because its fun to fuck a hot stranger not because I really want to get the release. I was little emotional in the beginning but now I am enjoying it. You need to let go off your guilty feeling about hobbying dude.  

And even if you don't have game to find a girl outside hobby some one would like you for who you are just like your friends like you. You just have to put yourself out there and be proud of who you are without comparing yourself with others..

There are highly attractive as well as wealthy persons that have to participate in this for similar reasons as well. We all have our very own set of hang ups which led us here so you are not alone and should not feel badly. Personally, I would rather throw myself into oncoming traffic than to have a relationship and so I choose to do this to have my fun while simultaneously maintaining the peace, focus, and serenity in my personal life. I give you kudos for staying true to who YOU are and not settling for less than you want or deserve or striving to be something you are not simply for attention. When the time is right, this will all change in a flash and you will never look back. I see no issue in waiting around for that time/person in the company of fellow hobbyists and a little porn. The world is a scary place and there is little wrong with this form of controlled and honest dating for you will not find it elsewhere. In the end, this is a more economical choice than FWBS/SO's as well. Lol. So quit worrying about what people think, relationships, or free pussy and focus on what it is about yourself or your life that makes you feel insecure, frustrated, and/or as if you need such in the first place and focus on that.  
If it were simply to get off, it would not bother you on an emotional or personal level. Period.  
So my recommendation is a little self-reflection and self-improvement.  
It's just an orgasm and hardly worth any negative energy.

Best of luck.
SW

it is very apparent that you lack self confidence. I do not believe it for a minute that you are only able to get a 6.by society's terms of what is good looking, there are plenty of good looking people that date rather unattractive people. there are a lot of wall meet women in the world. why do you feel you need another person? why are you so codependent? face a you cannot have someone love you until you truly learn to love yourself. for now on it looks like you need to look inward and find a way to make yourself be happy with sitting with self. when you know the nature of your own mind, depression is spontaneously dispelled. whatever pain pleasure or other feeling you experience it is all an expression of your mind. when you discover that true satisfaction comes only from the mind, you realize you can extend this experience without limits. if we cling if we grasp there is suffering.you are in no mental condition to be in a partnership with another human being take really good care of yourself for a long time and wait and see and people will be drawn to you like a magnet. women especially can sense desperation on a Man. whatever it is you need to do to make yourself whole even being alone you need to make it so that you are good company and you do not mind being alone because you enjoy your own company. try taking up going to the gym join a martial arts class. find yourself some fun activities to make you more sound in body. I am not judging but my guess would be you do not exercise you do not eat well and you lack spirituality of any kind. once you find yourself and you are healthy and happy enough in body and mind.  
then it will be time for a partnership.  
you clearly do not love yourself making it impossible for anyone else to love you. there is clearly a serious problem if you have an issue with being alone. for some people true love only comes along once in a lifetime. start taking better care of yourself so that you will be attractive to other people. people who do not have hobbies do not eat well do not exercise are down on themselves. they radiate a very negative vibe which people will sense and they will not want to be in your company. I deal with people on a regular basis and a lot of people at that. when a customer has a bad vibe about them usually it's bad hygiene or a bad attitude. or things like inexpensive poorly done tattoos. little things like that show that a person has no respect for their body or how they present themselves. when I see a person with an old faded really poorly done tattoo. if a person can't put thought into something that's going to be on there body forever. and its not willing to put the effort in to pay a little extra for a good quality tattoo. it can say a lot about a person. I can definitely sense when a client comes and it is going to be rather unpleasant. for whatever reason some people are suffering in mind and body and spirit. and they radiate negative energy. and if you don't know how to ground out your energy it can be very harmful to your own self to be in the presence of these type of people that will drain your energy. for example that appointment the other day where he only gave me 120. where I usually get 250 for that type of an appointment. it affected my whole week. I had been counting on that money to do a spray tan and otherwise get things done I needed so that I can present myself confidently. with a muscle strain I am totally not able to do two massages today at this time. to put a lot of energy out towards a person and try to treat them with respect and kindness. only to find the person is selfish, and what I would call these people is an energy vampire. That man  wanted to come here and I gave him in over our long massage
I texted him my feelings because I am NOT one to stuff feelings. which is something else which will only leave to suffering. there's nothing wrong with communicating when you are upset at someone or upset at something. I sent him rapid fire texts about my feelings. and now I am able to wake up happy and go about my life and I'm looking forward to my visit from Mr Fisher tomorrow. my back is feeling back to its full potential I just did in aerobics TV day and I'm looking out at the ocean and the waves crash over my samurai sword in my window. I just took my dog fresh rice in my rice cooker with steamed vegetables in salmon and shrimp. my response to that man was keep the $30 you obviously need it more than me. when something gets me upset I transform the negative energy into positive energy and I end up working harder and making more money because of it working out harder and they end up in a much better mood from something that was negative. you clearly have some serious soul searching to do it is time to look inward and work on yourself sweetie pie.  
begin disciplining yourself so that you feel better about yourself and you present a better looking person to the world
there is a quote a man cannot love well unless he has dined well. if you are lonely try getting yourself a pet for now you're clearly not going to be a good companion to anyone with the kind of attitude you have. if you feel this desperation and need to have a relationship that is a sign of codependency you should be happy enough with yourself to not feel lonely ever. if you are busy having so much fun you will not realize that you are alone and you will realize you don't need anyone in this world but yourself. for me I am extremely independent and I am always busy doing this or that and having a lot of fun with life I wake up every morning on side of bed and I'm really excited for that day. I don't have time to feel sorry for myself or try and think that women who are six is don't want to be with me. and if no one wants to be with you you obviously are not attractive and it doesn't take a lot of effort to make yourself attractive. being attractive involves also your attitude. I have dated plenty of guys who were way below me as far as appearances. but they were nice to me and that goes a long way with me. when I was about 19 I dated this older older man who has bad skin on his face he was really short and he was definitely would be considered unattractive. she was a talented musician. he always works pensive suits smells great. he showed me around the town and wined and dined me. he took me to Cleo once. and then he took me to Mistral. we also went to some really fun not as fancy pizza places like one in Cambridge. he taught me about wines. we would always get a judge to Ravenswood estate expensive bottles. he was also very spiritual I believe you may have been Jewish, excuse me I believe he was Jewish, I remember him saying a word or two in Arabic. nevertheless he would talk about things like auras from time to time. I actually met him at an apothecary I was working at the time. I was immediately drawn to him and I approached him right away and we exchange numbers. whatever you were born with and are working with. it doesn't matter if you have a good vibe take good care of yourself and treat people right you shouldn't have any problems landing a very beautiful woman.take care of yourself and stop being down on yourself first off and foremost.

I used to have self esteem issues but no more.  If $3 million in the bank doesn't give you confidence nothing will. I am 47 and been in the hobby a long time.  As a professional self employed businessman , I have sat on both sides of the table.  While I have enjoyed many wonderful experiences with many of the fine ladies on the board, I have always approached this without unrealistic expectations.  Business and Pleasure never mix!  It works both ways!  Just as you visit a provider for 1 reason, remember she is there for another reason! We all have fantasies that the hot young provider who is 20 years younger will enter into civve relatipnshs with us, in reality it never works out.

I am neither proud or ashamed of my extracurricular activities. I am able to easily justify what I do in my spare time, as some of my wealthy friends say:  In the end

Posted By: Jack_Inhoff
I gotta vent. I'll first say that I have no pride in the fact that I participate in this dangerous game of pay for play.  I don't feel very moral about it and if people in the small town in which I live found out that I fuck hookers, I would be crucified.  I also know that for hookers, we're nothing but Johns who are paying for pussy.  Hookers aren't our girlfriends and don't give a shit about us except for our money.  At one time, I was reluctant to believe this, but reality eventually won me over.    
   
 So, yeah, this hobby isn't for angels, but what's a guy to do to get laid outside the civvie world?!?!?! I'm not looking for a relationship and In the civvie world, any hot chick I run into either has a boyfriend or is married. Hell, it's been my experience that even if a gal is about a 6, tons of guys flock to her meaning I gotta deal with a shitload of competition for someone who looks like shit compared to the pussy I can buy.    
   
 Some will say I just have no game. You know what? You're right. I don't. But I'm not going to change who I am so I can hope to get laid. I've played that game before, and it never got me anywhere. I guess we dudes just aren't a hot commodity, unless we got tons of money.  On the other hand, smoking hot chicks are a very hot commodity...and because of that, I can just say goodbye to getting laid by one of them outside of this hobby.    
   
 So, for the foreseeable future, it's jerking off and occasionally fucking hookers.  I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is.  For those who would look down on me for this, just what do you suggest?

Sorry I ended my previous post inadverdently.  My wealthy friends who are also self made tell me all the time;  "in the end we all pay for it one way or another". This is a very easy way to justify what Ido in my spare time.   The Governor may be alone, but never lonely!

/RANT ON/

1.  Quit feeling so f*cking sorry for yourself - man up!
2.  Understand that life isn't always going to work out the way you dream
3.  Deal with #2 and make the best of it, no replays are allowed
4.  Do what you gotta do and don't hang your head for anyone

I don't know why you would be ashamed of paying for it.  The best pussy in the world is almost certainly going to come from a professional, and how else are you going to see them?  YOLO, and I, for one, would like to experience as much as I can before they put me under.

American "moral" culture has loaded so much negative emotional garbage onto the concept of prostitution that the word "whore" is used as a vicious general insult, often having nothing to do with the situation.  

I do what I have to do for a living, these women do what they have to (in some cases prefer to).  They do it as a business and you get what you pay for usually, just like the rest of life.  What's the gd difference, except in a legal sense and in someone else's often hypocritical sense of "morality".  I could give half a shit what someone else thinks of my sense of morality.

I am very thankful for these ladies, feel no shame in seeing them and am lucky enough to call some of them my friends.

/RANT OFF/

Posted By: 2labman
/RANT ON/  
   
 1.  Quit feeling so f*cking sorry for yourself - man up!  
 2.  Understand that life isn't always going to work out the way you dream  
 3.  Deal with #2 and make the best of it, no replays are allowed  
 4.  Do what you gotta do and don't hang your head for anyone  
   
 I don't know why you would be ashamed of paying for it.  The best pussy in the world is almost certainly going to come from a professional, and how else are you going to see them?  YOLO, and I, for one, would like to experience as much as I can before they put me under.  
   
 American "moral" culture has loaded so much negative emotional garbage onto the concept of prostitution that the word "whore" is used as a vicious general insult, often having nothing to do with the situation.    
   
 I do what I have to do for a living, these women do what they have to (in some cases prefer to).  They do it as a business and you get what you pay for usually, just like the rest of life.  What's the gd difference, except in a legal sense and in someone else's often hypocritical sense of "morality".  I could give half a shit what someone else thinks of my sense of morality.  
   
 I am very thankful for these ladies, feel no shame in seeing them and am lucky enough to call some of them my friends.  
   
 /RANT OFF/

the second thing I see you are doing wrong which is probably why you're not having much success with the ladies. let me just mention that guy that was not aesthetically pleasing I dated. not once did he invite me back to his place or pressure me to kiss him or be romantic with him. and he was spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on fancy dinners with me and taking me all over town! in the end after a long relationship the sex should come naturally and that should not be your goal in trying to find a woman' learn how to please yourself and learn how to have a good time without needing another person' in the meantime if you're enjoying going out to sea escorts then continue to do that but do not expect a girl you meet to sleep with you right away' in fact it is my opinion you should never pressure woman you're taking out on dates to sleep with you- there is nothing wrong with making friends and going out to dinners and lunches let her be the one to approach you' let her be the one to invite you to her house when she finally comfortable with you
you will have a lot more success if you do not expect sex from a woman
and the last thing you're making a mistake is you are seeking relationships are based on sex which they are not
if all your thinking about is sex and you are not interested in taking the time to get to know a woman in respect her and wait till she is comfortable
then continue seeing escorts because that seems to be what best. and that is not the only man that took me out all over Boston had a lot of fun with me and that never once asked me to go hang out with him after or sleep with him.  
that's just a bad attitude to have and it's a very bad way to treat people.  
try getting a woman to hang out with you as a friend and do not look at them as a slave that is going to be pleasing you in the bedroom. I would start by having female companions that you go out and do fun activities with rock concerts dinners
you need to start from the bottom sweetheart.
start by meeting some women and taking them out on nice States and treating them well and do not look at it as sex just start learning how to date and have friends.
both male and female friends that is
if you not have female company right now it shows you are socially inept.
you need to get out there and make some female friends
once you show you are a nice guy I'm sure you will start having women throwing themselves at you
right off the bat you said you can't even get a girl who is a6 to be with you
so you are forced to have sex with escorts
no woman is going to want to be with you so they can be your blow up doll
you have an apparent disrespect for women.
I am telling you right now meet some women as just friends and be good to them trust me you're going to start having better luck if you take this advice for what it's worth

Friendship is much more valuable than sex, yet the former is free and the latter costs money.

Crazy, ain't it?

AxelF593 reads

Don't you hate how your natural instincts drive you to the 10s even though there's a shit load of other guys doing the same thing? And when you try not to be shallow and fight the instinct, it makes you feel like shit? Banging a 10 and 1 feels the same but for whatever reason your mind tries to say otherwise.  

I wish I could cut the cord that drives this insane cycle of having the need to fuck all the time. I can go and pay to fuck a 10 or get lucky and fuck a random 10 but it will never please the mind. Fuck it all!  

And you know what? Fuck all the haters with morality, I'm just trying to get to the end fulfilling my basic needs.  

Then you realize life is just a byproduct of the universe doing its thing. Life becomes irrelevant, so irrelevant, might as well live it up

The entire message had three  

1. What the neighbors might think
2. What hookers might think
3. What you think - which seems to hold a lot of guilt

(Which one should you really care about?)

I would understand if you said, "I told my woman I loved her, then thought about the three hookers I saw this week." But all you expressed were thoughts that OTHERS put into YOUR mind.

Go get 'em tiger.

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