Below there was a thread that got spun off in another direction and  I would like to bring back to the top.

Sexual Addiction: Who Has it?

I was asked several questions, and I will answer them below, but I would like to ask one first.

PROVIDERS: We obviously have an addiction to sex.  When you decided to Provide, were you aware of it?  Where you promiscuous PRIOR to being the business?

HOBBYIST: I know most of you are addicted to women, but was it as prevalent PRIOR to finding the hobby? OR was the hobby the thing that pushed you over the edge?

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Duplicitouslust asked me a few questions and I would like to answer then for him (sorry love, I did not see this until it was too late).

1. I just wanted to inquire about when you knew that you were a polyamorous young woman and how the hobby lends to that?
I realized in High School that I loved sex, I was promiscuous and had my share of Boy toys,, BUT, I did not get into the hobby until VERY MUCH LATER in life. The hobby lets me be free to sleep with whom I choose when I choose.  There are many times when a BOY TOY is needed to complete the day as well.

2. Also with that said, although you always have had the autonomy to see who you wanted to see.
Yes, I have always had the ability pretty much to pick up on men that I wanted to see, or flirt them into seeing me. NOT EVERY man is attracted to me, some men require a good healthy dose of my personality or NIPPLES to make the leap, but I am NOT for everyone.

3. Has the hobby widened your personal selection and choices and made you considered people whom you would not have considered previously?
Most definitely, the hobby has made me less judgmental and made me realize that men of intelligence and distinction come in all shapes and sizes. I have had some amazing relationships with men that I would have not normally sought out if it had not been for the hobby.  This perhaps is due to the fact that they were paying for my time and I got the chance to know them more intimately and their shyness was not there as well.

4. Also have you become friends with people whose personalities you would have never considered before you became an active participant in the hobby?
Yes, I have stated many times I have had several long term relationships/Sugar Daddy situations in this business; it was their money that lured me in at first, but the minds and gentlemanly behavior  that made me stay.

5. Also would you have relationships both platonic and sexual that would rival some of your relationships in your civilian life as well?
Again, I have been fortunate to have many men that loved me in and out if the hobby.  I do things with them, they do things for me. Life is not all about the sex, do I love it, yes, I love men.  Period.  

I cannot help myself, I am addicted to LOVE!

I think the fact that it is a transaction at least gives you the opportunity to meet women you otherwise would not have been able to meet on a strictly civilian basis.  That's the truth for me.  I think I'm average to above-average in looks, but have a good personality.  If women find me attractive enough, I have a fairly good success rate beyond that of dating and having sex.  That's never been the issue for me.

The issue has been getting the proverbial foot in the door.  And a transaction makes that happen, quite honestly.  That's not a bad thing.  It just it is.  Fortunately, I have an income that is sufficient to do this quite regularly and have met many great women over the years.

Currently I have an ATF who I met through this (obviously), and we are exploring the idea of a relationship.  It's strange because I know she sees others, and it doesn't bother me, and she knows I see others, and we are open about it.  It works for now; it may not work in the future, and we will address that.  In the meantime, it's actually quite nice that we can be totally open, and we can also have some parity in terms of income (she actually, I think, has much more money than I do, and I typically make mid-six figures pretty easily, though the last few years have been lower).  There's something to be paid for parity.

In any event, I digress.

There is another ATF that is just way outta my league in terms of her appearance.  She is literally supermodel hot.  But because we met this way and I got the "intro," she sees me for a very discounted rate of $200 versus the $500 she usually charges (and she may end up raising her rates very soon above that).  And that one stays for hours.  What started off as a bodyrub ended up in sex, and now we are just truly friends, and I have been grandfathered in at that rate.  Typically she stays at least two hours, and multiple pops are always welcome.

So, to answer your question in a typically long-winded response, I share many of your same experiences.

I have an enormous sex drive, and have in the past seen three or four providers a day, to the point where my cock was basically dry heaving.  

For me, my favorite activity is DATY, and I could literally spend all day doing it.  If there were a demand for that from hot women where I could paid, I might quit my job and do that.  

I am so far from a sex addict's not funny. I do nothing that constitutes the behavior of a sex addiction. I do this for the money. I see a very limited amount of regulars and do not have this part time job interfere with my life and nor do I take unnecessary risks for sex. I am very particular who I see and reject far more than I see.

Please, refrain from lumping all providers in the sex addiction pool. Some of us can take a dip but leave without turning back...not even close to an addictive situation.

-- Modified on 8/17/2012 7:28:27 AM

You really seem to have a good grasp of how this "thing" works.

I should have stated that MOST are addicted to sex.. you are addicted to the money,, MOST can leave,, but MOST return..at some point..

this was not directed at those who are few and far between, but those who are addicted.

to see that the majority view the sex with most of  their clients as just OK at best, and not something they would do if they could find a way to be financially secure without the need to work as an escort.

There are some that definately do love what they do, and for those, I am very happy for them.

But, we shouldn't be kidding ourselves.

I mean, I have a great job, but if I somehow got a few million bucks from the lottery or something, I'd be out of here in a flash.

Who wakes up in the AM and says to themselves:  Hooray, I can't wait to get into the office and work on all the BS that others pushed off on me today?

And today, that's a good job.

(Beats shoveling camel shit.)

Because sex is a natural urge that people feel to varying degrees, it's hard to know when it becomes an "addiction" or at what frequency it becomes abnormal. If a married couple decided to have sex two or three times per day, I doubt most would label them sex "addicts".  I suppose one key indicator could be whether the person has control over his or her behavior or whether the desire for sex causes them to do things they wish they could avoid, but feel powerless to control.

Have you really lost your addiction to me ?

I think you are mainly looking for attention.

I know or have known a LOT of providers, I mean a LOT, probably numbering in the hundreds, I doubt one in fifty is by any means a "sex addict"  Many have a very healthy sex drive, a large number have an even lower sex drive than the average women, and only a few are outright sluts (a term of endearment coming from me).

I am a horn dog, who love to fuck at least every day, but does that make me a sex addict? Only by the most liberal definitions of the word.

I have it bad... Have since I was a teenager...

I was always very promiscuous.  When I started hobbying I used it to supplement my promiscuity.  I could have a girl in the morning, a girl in the afternoon, and still be trying to line up a girl in the evening.

I'm not that bad now.  I'm in a relationship so these days it's primarily porn.

But I am worried about it hurting my relationship in the future.

The symptoms of Hypersexual Disorder are:

Over a period of at least six months, a person experiences recurrent and intense sexual fantasies, sexual urges, and sexual behavior in association with four or more of the following five criteria:

Excessive time is consumed by sexual fantasies and urges, and by planning for and engaging in sexual behavior.

Repetitively engaging in these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior in response to dysphoric mood states (e.g., anxiety, depression, boredom, irritability).

Repetitively engaging in sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior in response to stressful life events.

Repetitive but unsuccessful efforts to control or significantly reduce these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior.

Repetitively engaging in sexual behavior while disregarding the risk for physical or emotional harm to self or others.

The person experiences clinically significant personal distress or impairment in social, occupational or other important areas of functioning associated with the frequency and intensity of these sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior.

These sexual fantasies, urges, and behavior are not due to direct physiological effects of drugs or medications, or to Manic Episodes.

Not a shrink but thought this might help if people are wondering. As you can see there is a big difference between a very high sex drive and an addiction to it.

Hi GA,

*ROLLS EYES*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4DRGORhymM

Every study I have read says most providers do not do this for the sex. To be successful and last in this job (and it is a job) you have to find the sex somewhere between tolerable and pleasant, but that is not the primary motivation. So to say that most providers are sex addicts, when they report that they are not having orgasms - not really any evidence to support that.

Of course, all the ladies I see have big orgasms, they tell me so. And I know they would only tell me the truth...

zig

but I would disagree that they are indicative of a addiction, at least not in the sense we normally think of addiction being something that is disabling one's self.

The latter four seem to focus more on that diabling, but I don't see myself that way.

She got bored on the over 60 board (pun intended) and decided to see if she can stir some shit up here.

And now she'll make comments about why she hates this board...she said so on her +60 board comments.

So why is this old broad here?  

Yep...looking for attentiion.

And probably sending out a shit load of PM's to others to join her on HER boards   LOL

I think you two are the POTS CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.. HA

Too many shrinks want to label hookers as sex addicts when the truth is, most of us are here more for the money. If all I wanted was sex, I could walk into a bar down the road. It's a business, not an addiction.

She may love sex, so that colors her outlook, but there's nothing offensive about her position per se.

I took issue with her without inpunging her.

I like her contributions to the board.

I think she is just repeating what so many have said,and every sex addiction survey always includes hookers as the best candidates for an addiction. How wrong they are lol.

Some are, and some are not. Most of the women I know in the hobby and in general don't have a problem getting laid, never paid for it, and are in this business for the money with sex and travel being a bonus. If sex was the primary factor, we would all be doing it for free!

Or to join a private board either.

You'll be the first to know when either of those events happens.

Until then, this is a fuck board for entertainment purposes.  And I agree with mrfisher.  It is good to have posters like mscharlotte on here.  It gives the rest of the mongers a reason to read this drivel.

And you're WAY too fucking old, I would think, to be ending posts with "HA"?

My 17 year old nephew does that shit.  And you're not anywhere near that.  My guess is that your Grandchild may be near that!

Why the bitching MsC...you're getting EXACTLY what you were looking for...ATTENTION  LOL

You're an attention whore too

But some of the differences between how you post and some other "attention whores" post makes a difference to some of the mongers here.

And ole MsC showed her colors a few months back when she started several train wrecks...admitted that was her sole purpose...and how much she "hates" this board.

All the while trying by PM to get posters from TER to go and play on some pathetic site SHE was running.

So when an "attention whore" is seeking this kind of publicity, I will gladly accommodate HER requests.

Guess she is struggling to get too many posters on her personal blog/site...hence her drivel here!

I think it's pretty clear that we all know you're really in this for the money.  And nothing else.

Which is kinda what you are accusing Charlotte of, no?

The way I read Charlotte's post, it was asking a question, and then posting her own response.  It's a point for discussion, and she's not saying that everyone feels the same as her.  At least that's not how I read it.

The way you read it, there's a "thing" that everyone else is onboard with, and that she missed the memo on.

How do you figure?  You do it strictly for the money.  Good for you.  And for some guys that's just perfect.

I prefer to have a person who loves what she does.  Who knows if I'm falling for the banana in the tailpipe, proverbially speaking?  But you can no sooner speak for providers than Charlotte can for you.

The difference is...I don't see Charlotte saying her view is the ONLY view or the "thing," as you put it.

You have told me certain members will purposely start train wrecks for fun. Is it that she stated she "hates" this board that gives you pause...lol

I must be an attention whore too as I am on the top 10 posters list...who the fk knew!!

If you don't believe me., book one and ask if you can see her for free. Seriously I think that if a lady actually publicly mentions that it irks you. And when I have mentioned it, it has been in the right context.

Sorry if I have ruined your illusion, but every single lady on here is here selling "time and companionship" for money...

-- Modified on 8/17/2012 4:51:24 PM

See, I don't believe that.  Because if it's ONLY for the money, then why do girls give some clients more time or other extras?  Maybe you can chalk some of that up to providers giving some extras because the economy stinks.

But my ATF who spends the night regularly and asks only for $250?  The last time, I took her to dinner and a show, and she said not to worry about paying her.

Another girl who I see charges $500/hour, and she stays two hours or more every time and charges me $200.

It doesn't irk me at all.  That's your read.  I have no illusions.  I've probably been doing this longer than you have.  I'm just not as jaded.  

But that's cool.  I avoid girls like you because I actually like someone to be in it for more than the benjamins, and not to speak for every other jaded provider on this board.  It's nice that some women actually LIKE doing this AND getting paid.  Too bad you just like getting paid.

Oh, is that me being presumptuous?  Yes, I guess I'm playing you.

She will just stop seeing me.

Haha...I wish she posted on the boards or that I reviewed her.  I'm sure she would have a lot of funny things to say.

I read your post and then was about to immediately respond but decided to step back for a moment.

You really do have an issue with a woman that does this for the money and not for the sex. You used jaded twice and am not jaded at all, just know why I am here. And then came the sarcasm. It's okay, it bothers you and with the exception of those few woman you have used as your examples, you might not know of others you have seen that think like me.

And to say you avoid girls like me,,,well that's funny. I am here under a name not connected to my work and you have no idea who you have seen that thinks like me. Even those on here that profess with great enthusiasm that it's the great sex from hobbyists...maybe only in it for the money and have to keep up appearances. Thing is darlin, you'll never really know with every lady you see.

I also hang with a couple of guys I see, ...it is like a friendship thing, it does not involve sex. And I don't charge them either. Still does not change my motivation. And they are none the wiser. They are happy, I am happy and the world goes on.

Just think about this the next time you book an appointment with a new lady... you will never really know for sure what her motivation really is. And if she is really good at her job, you won't even think to ask her, you'll walk away with a nice satisfied grin on your mug.

-- Modified on 8/17/2012 5:25:04 PM

And I've been doing this over two decades, so I know a thing or two about things.  

I assure you I am not naive at all.  My issue with your post is only this:  You seem to speak for EVERY provider.  You don't.  You speak for you.  You have a unique situation.  You fuck for money.  And that's it.  You have a SO who knows what you do.  Yes, you fuck for MONEY, and that's it.  You don't care about your enjoyment.  You only act as if you enjoy it because you want the MONEY.  Great.  No fault in that at all.  You just don't speak for every other woman.

I don't have an issue with that at all.  It's just not for me.  And I choose to spend money on women who at least APPEAR to enjoy it.

You're right.  I don't know who you are.  I also don't know what other girls are truly in for.  I DO know it is primarilly about the money.  But if it were ONLY about the money (notice PRIMARILY vs. ONLY), I wouldn't be seeing them.  I don't profess to know what their true motivation, but if a girl was to obviously present herself as ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, as you do, I would not see her.

Don't take that any more than what I just said.  Really.

Let me break this down...the ladies that are here advertising are here for the money. If they enjoy the sex, terrific, a work bonus. I did not say that all women here are ONLY here for the money...the magic word ONLY.

As for my enjoyment, does it have to be in the form of an orgasm? Can't it be that I just made some guy who is lonely and feels rejected by his wife feel like a man again? And get paid very well for doing so?

Oh and make no mistake , I do appear to love it. I am very good at my job. Or I would be out of business.

And you will never know if it's PRIMARILY or ONLY if they are doing a great job.

I present myself on this board anonymously...many see me not even knowing how I feel. They don't have to know my inner thoughts as long as I am delivering to them what they desire and they leave fulfilled and happy.

Hope this clears up your obvious confusion.

NOT one person on this thread answered my thread..

Taking things out of context and reading what you want into a thread and turning into hate is exactly what I why I get aggravated with the General discussion board.  Perhaps this is why more ladies post in the over 60 board.

CHGOCPA is a POT Stirrer, a hate and a DRAMA QUEEN.  If I were the only person that he hated, I would take offense, but indeed in private PM's he has admitted to me that he indeed likes to ruffle feathers.  I IGNORE HIS COMMENTS!  He resorts to attacking my personal age,body, mind for his own ego, it doesn't destroy mine.

He is not my concern, Accusations of using threads to my own good and spamming people are false and I feel bad that he feels the need to promote me in this light. but whatever.

NOW thank you Mr. Fisher, London for coming to my defense, for those who truly have had interaction and really know me, will find the true person inside, they say people show their true colors.

I was merely starting a thread based on a few questions that I was asked.  



DO you have addictions?

yeah.. WHERE IS MY $100.00?

LOVE YA GIRL.. thanks for the props!!

Just don't drink the MsC kool-ade.

You missed the MsC babbling from a few months back.  It was great...MsC argued her case...but invariably just didn't really give a shit about anything here.

She has an agenda....and inherently nothing wrong with that.  

So let's see if she's been a good girl now and won't try and "sell her personal blog crap" for her personal gains.  Funny....she disappeared for months after that little debacle.  Wonder if TER had anything to do with that banning?

And when she returned from Siberia (sorry Lina...that's where the bad folks get banished to when they try and screw TER) she stayed over on the +60 board complaining about the meanines on this board.

But guess what....she's back  LOL

You may be the only person who got this thread..

Hey...all of us narcissists have to band together

First off...if I ever decide to use an alias, can I go with Uranussky?  Since we've bantered that we're probably not compatible sexually, we can still be related and go at this together?  That way if a guy asks you who "your Daddy is", you can reply Mr. Sky...and it will be a bit creepy, but we're siblings..so that's OK.

Now, how the hell do you know that MsC and I haven't orchestrated this little charade?

Can't be sure now there "sis"...can you?

I did try and get noitercsid to play a game.  BUT he didn't want to get that involved.  And usually MsC just likes the "hit and run" approach.  So the likelihood of her really playing...not!

And you...AN ATTENTION WHORE?  Yep...but so are most of us!!  LOL

Ain't life grand

This is the first time you have ever said that you actually some satisfaction out of it other than money.

CHGOCPA likes to make my threads train wrecks, I think he is  PIMPing me..

love ya CPA..HA!!!!!!

Yes, I have addictions.

There, I answered your question.

And without the background you are suggesting, I haven't seen anything that would make me question what she says.  But thanks for the note.

I've learned to not take shit too seriously on this board.

The asshat named PourSomeShitOnMe who decided to stereotype all Asians by using the obviously parodied character in "The Hangover 2" is an example.

Or maybe the Klan really does get internet access...

Anytime you want to come back and play...you know that I'll be happy to assist.

And FWIW...I've NEVER been shy about discussing my opinions on here.  Most don't give a shit...but I guess you are an anomaly.

And if we're going to share PM's....Oh, I guess I've already let that cat out of the bag.

So...how is the blog/site coming along?  Did you clear any of this with TER yet?  Or are you just going to put up more and more drivel hoping that will ultimately drive posters to YOUR site?

Hey...I'm doing my best to generate interest for you.  Guess it's not helping all that much...sorry

well...where's that fella who was calculating the gals ratio of cumming in a session.

I think, as you do, this is a fun place to throw ideas out.  And when there is a guy/gal who has a different slant on it...that just can make an afternoon/evening a blast.

But you don't comment looking for a "reaction" nearly as often as I do.  BUT, you have been doing it more often.  And the threads, from my POV become better.

And just keep in mind PSSOM is someone that I have a VERY strong suspicion has been around here a VERY long time.  His sarcasm is posted in such a way that it pisses people off, and I can relate to that as well.  We know that some of us that post a lot have followers and detractors.  That's part of the game here in fuck board land.

Go back and read PSSOM's post for a couple of months (if you're that bored) and I think you'll see that his comments are usually spot on.  Just don't get caught up in the fonts and upper/lower case BS.  Heck, you might be able to figure out who he is once you do that  LOL

And yea...I take MsC's posts at face value as well.  She just is more of the hit and run player.  I like the  London's and SS and hotplants posters.  They always stick around and own their posts!!

I do try to be helpful most of the time.

I guess I draw the line at racist comments.  Because that kinda shit is uncalled for.

I didn't read his (PSSOM) comments as racist.  Rather I saw him "mocking" the OP's as being racist.

And for some ungodly reason there was more BS on racism this week.....when is the rapture?

Must have been a full moon.

Then the review criteria would be:

1.  Real photos?

2.  Photos representative of the provider?

And that's it.

Nope...I do it cause I love it  

Well, most of the time.

Your doing fine love.. thank you!

You did crazy and I over looked your first post.. apologies.

I recommented above. thank you!

Why on earth is nobody taking offense at their urologists and proctologists being in it for the money?  Those two also touch your private parts for money )))

You do realize that with the number of phony claims on that prize, it will be a while before LR pays off.

I'm getting the distinct impression she isn't going to pay anyone.

As I asked in another thread...are there any fucking lawyers here?

It may be time for a class action suit  LOL

Hey...I'm carrying this whole diatribe myself.  Crazyshit is giving it some effort...but it's pathetically weak.

Start another thread and let's see if we can't actually get some new meat involved.

You know....there are too many suckers out here to not get a serious "train wreck"  LOL

SUCK UP!!

double HA!! HA!!

I reread it and I don't have a clue how you thought I was putting everyone in the same bucket.  In fact I pointed out a number of different situations that all exist.

Where did you get the idea I was saying everyone fits the same mold?

-- Modified on 8/18/2012 4:51:58 AM

MsC,

First, I made no derogatory comment about you.  I have never met you, so all I can go by are your posts.  I find a lot of them interesting, though I don't always agree with them.  Plus, London says you're OK.

But this is a flow of consciousness board--a post often has many thoughts in it and the replies may well focus in on a thought that is not what you intended to be the main point.  Such as in this case.  But it is a legitimate discussion tied directly to your original post.

Please look at your comment:  "PROVIDERS: We obviously have an addiction to sex."  A lot of folks who do not have an addiction will naturally see this as an unfounded negative comment, and you should not be shocked that they focus in on that part to reply to.  It does not mean they didn't understand the rest of your post, it means they felt most strongly inspired to answer THAT comment.

I was not upset at your question, I only pointed out that I did not think your comment was true.  I DID get upset at crazy guy's posts, first responding to mine when he didn't take time to read what I said.  You come across as someone who posted a legitimate set of comments and questions, though I obviously disagreed with part of it.  Crazy comes across in this thread as your lap dog.

But to more directly answer your question:  I do not believe I am addicted to this, though I admit I enjoy it very much.  Could I be deludingg myself?  I acknowledge I may be--I think it is very difficult for someone to see an addiction in themselves.  I tried to say that in my initial post but it may not have come across that way.

Oldtraveler.

I'm not offended at all.. first step is to admit it.. kidding..

Having an intelligent conversation/debate means that you have to be open to other peoples side of the story.  At times I have changed my opinions on many subjects where I have been swayed to listen to the other side of the coin.. this is life.  I do not profess to know everything, never have and never will.

Bashing, name calling and in general stupid reputation damaging comments only hurt the poster and make them look like a Rather large buffoon.. I don't waste my energy on them, I sleep well at nights knowing I do what i do and love it.

It seems all anyone did was focus on that and this thread was going so insane that it got all twisted and no-one really knew who was talking to whom..

I have an issue with speaking for the majority beings that we ladies do discuss this often, what we like and don't..

MOST ladies will not post their opinions for fear of exactly what has happened here.  

Taking a hit to ones integrity and reputation seems to delight the men that do it to us, there fore you will find that MOST ladies don't even bother anymore.  This is prevalent in the over 60's board where there are more ladies posting because of the Genuine appreciation for them on that board.

Going under assumed aliases and hiding behind the mask just solidifies that remark..

I will make a conscious effort to ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF from now on..that way, I take the hits on both cheeks personally. The ladies do email me and thank me for speaking my mind and speaking up.

London is a doll, she has taken the time to have conversations off this board to get to know me, as does Mr. Fisher, I value them and I am glad they speak their minds as well.  I don't banter like them, and that is what makes us all an individual, we are all bringing a few things to the table.

Carry on, and if I offend those who read my postings, I apologize, but I do like to bring to the table other view points,  It is just terribly sad people attack you for doing so, that seems childish.

and correct me if I am wrong is that I don't derive sexual satisfaction from an encounter. Not that you care...this is for conversation purposes only

You are here for the sex, I am not. I can be totally satisfied by many other things. Those "many other things" don't seem to count as they are not of a sexual nature. They count to me. So sex is not my motivation, money is, I find this very easy to do and am very pleased when a client leaves and I know I have enhanced his day with more than emptying his ball sack.

So I guess you could say that money is my primary and seeing a guy leave happier than when he came over, is the bonus.

But you certainly know how to stir a shit stew real good!!!

I was waiting for the fireworks with the other guy but he didn't want to play. Oh boo!

You want it to be real and would be upset/mad/ add the word here, if you found out after the fact it was not. You've stated multiple times that you would not see lady whom you knew was not into it sexually...the important part is "whom you knew". No escort is going to tell you that.  It would be a bad business move.


And by reacted you mean sexually. What if her sole purpose was to see your satisfaction/joy etc. and to do that she had to "perform" to get the results she wanted?

And you got all that from my one line to DC? All I did was like his POV about this thing...

And I actually applaud that you are completely forthright and honest.

But for me personally, I prefer a woman who enjoys it sexually, as well as for the finances.

For me, the finances should be a means to introduce us to each other, and a token of respect and gratitude.  But there should be sexual chemistry.  If there isn't, then we can just simply go out to dinner and talk, because that kinda chemistry doesn't need to involve a specific donation for your time.

As I said in another post, the money to me is simply a way to get introduced to a girl who otherwise wouldn't really talk to me, for whatever reason that might be.  Maybe I'm not good-looking enough or tall enough or whatever to make it to the point where my personality is something she sees.  So the money is great in that sense.

But if I am paying you, and you are getting naked and we are having sex, I really like there to be mutual sexual gratification.  Otherwise, I could just as soon take you to dinner or a show or whatever, and we don't fuck.  A pre-negotiated rate for time doesn't seem to be what I want if I'm not looking for sex--and sex that is mutually gratifying.

You are assuming that guys can't EVER tell.  We can't ALWAYS tell, but please don't suggest that you think you can fool all of us all of the time.

As for women who got off seeing me happy...that's not why I'm paying you, frankly.

The paranoia on this board is the fodder that guys like CCPA use to stir shit up, in case you haven't noticed.

I just don't care to stir shit up that way.  I got too much shit going on in my life to deal with that.

And even when others scream and yell that CCPA is just fucking around to "stir shit up"...Most still don't pay attention.

That's why history tends to repeat itself  LOL

I can imagine the "Inventory" line item on the balance sheet here.

1.  All of the moronic posts are raw materials.

2.  Other junior stir stirrers are mixing up raw materials and deriving other similarly deliberately-stupid conclusions.  That's the work in progress line item.

3.  You come in here and turn all of that into finished product.

See?  I remember some of my accounting classes...

on a fk board than any guy I have ever seen. Maybe you are young and cute, and some chicks like those types of guys so they give them extras? Still does not mean they are not about the money..or it would be totally free, and then the drama would start. You sound as if you're looking for an LTR on a fk board...more power to you and the girls who are too naive to resist captain save a ho, but an educated and independent provider is not going to fall that easily for a client.

and a date more stressful than it is worth, so paleeeeze keep your damn money and go to facebook and meet a girl there. If a guy is so damn hell bent on getting me off, making sure I am enjoying it, etc. that puts so much pressure on me that there is no way in hell I am GOING to get off! How would you feel if you came in and within 3 min. we were asking you when are you going to cum? You are basically doing the same shit to providers by being so damn demanding that they actually get off, that you are getting the opposite result.

There are women out there who are multi-orgasmic and can cum like a switch, but most others are simply not that way. If you need a pat on the head for your sexual skills, get a GF because a hooker is going to LIE to you. Well, smart hookers other than myself will lie to you because that is part of the illusion.

I will not sit here and say a date is better if a guy does not go down on me and pay me some attention, but for many women here that is irrelevant. Our JOB is to please YOU...not the other way around. You are making this much more complicated that it has to be, and that is hurting both you and the women you see. I would blow your ass, let you CIM, buy you some drinks and put you in the friend zone! Done deal! It is one thing for a guy to "care" about me getting off, but another thing for him to demand it putting so much pressure on me that I can't. WTF!

Yes, she is likely the exception, but people like her do exist.  I have had relationships with providers in the past, as well.  And those providers ended up leaving the business after we started our relationships.  I didn't ask; they did it on their own accord.  I have two very good friends as a result, even though we are no longer going out.

One has a live-in boyfriend and is getting married soon.  The other one has a husband and a kid.  We talk all the time, and they are just normal girls who did this for a little while and then got out.

This one now has been doing this for the better part of a decade and she still sees other guys.  Yep, in fact, I saw her last night, and she just left this morning.  She might even be reading this, because I told her about the thread, and she got a kick out of it.  And I still see other providers, which she knows about.  I literally will tell her..."Hey, gotta stop texting.  Be available in an hour.  Provider X is coming over."  And I know when she travels to other cities for work.  For example, she is doing a multi-night with someone in the very near future in another city.  Does it bother me?  Nope.  But maybe I don't fit into the other clients' notion of reality, either.  

It works...not saying it works for anyone else, but for the two of us it does.

And guess what?  She didn't charge me last night, either.  I took her to a shitty Mexican place in the city, and we got an $18 bottle of wine.  Smoked a joint, fucked, passed out, woke up this morning, fucked again, and then drove her back to her place.

If you talked with her, you would realize that she is hardly the naive person you make her out to be.  In fact, she could give you myriad examples of guys in high places who went to the places she has worked in the past, and who MARRIED their providers.

So...shit happens, even if you don't think it does.

Be well.

First, I can type faster than you.  I work in finance for a living, and a ton of my correspondence is via Bloomberg, and I'm well over 100 words per minute in my typing speed.  So if you see lots of posts responding to your girl Saturnsky, that's why.  Don't look at this as me being obsessed.  If she responds and I can bang out a quick response in a few minutes, it's an easy thing.

Second, don't read into this shit more than I write.  I see providers and have fun, and everything is fun and casual.  Ask Ashley Ann Taylor, if you need a name.  She is great, and we have a wonderful time, and I am as easygoing as they come.

Third, Saturnsky always makes it a point to say it's about the benjis for her.  Great.  I have no issues with that.  She even goes so far to say that NO ONE could ever figure out that she was acting.  Really?  No one?  Come on...that's where I gotta get out the keyboard and call challenge.  Please don't use absolutes.  It just sets you up way too easily for the counterargument.  And with people like SS, it's just way too easy to pick apart her arguments.  And she gets incensed, it seems.  Which makes it a little more fun, I'll admit.

You and I corresponded via PM.  You know what I like.  I like getting a girl off.  Seriously.  You can call it a fetish if you want.  That's always been my thing, since I was 21 and had an early-30s provider show me how to eat pussy.

I don't put pressure on the girl.  I just ask her to be open to it and to be honest.  If you can't be honest, then I don't wanna see you.  And if you don't get off, that's fine.  But just be open to it, and don't go off into some space where you just tune out and it's a job.  Other guys will book those girls; I won't.  I don't need to.  I'm in NYC, and I have plenty of choices.

I'm not demanding at all.  JUST DON'T FAKE!

And if you're gonna tell me upfront that you are an actress...why the fuck should I see you?  

I do like how you speak for "most women," too (emphasis mine):

" There are women out there who are multi-orgasmic and can cum like a switch, but MOST OTHERS are simply not that way."  Here's another name you can ask:  Larissa Pearla.  I don't expect her to be orgasmic, but I expect her to be real.  And she is, to the best of my knowledge.

See...I never asked you or anyone else to say that a date is better because you get off.  Show me where I said that.  I only said that I don't care to book with actresses.  And SS has said she is an actress on record, many times.  You have suggested likewise, if i am not mistaken.

There is no pressure on you...unless you have a problem being truthful.  And I guess some providers (you and SS?) do.

Hope this clarifies it.  I have never had a provider come back and say that I put too much pressure on them.

I saw a new girl who I will review shortly named Kelsie (she hasn't been reviewed yet), and I told her the same thing.  Guess what?  She said she came six times.  Yeah, I know...she did it just for marketing.  

Love talking with you.

... that has a story for every situation, AND it is always bigger and better than the story he is responding to. If you've done something, he's done it twice.

Most of us guys know to just take his posts with a grain of salt. He's a more sophisticated version of McD, but the inconsistencies are there for you to find everywhere.

I'm just saying that if you're stupid enough to use absolutes, I'm gonna find you something that blows up your theory.

Be simple:  Talk about YOUR experiences, and don't be a chump or a bitch and tell me that YOUR experience is the experience for everyone else.  That goes double when you're trying to tell me about my experience.  

and if I am not dwelling on it, why should you?

It's a fuck board, people shouldn't have to feel the need to be PC here,

If it makes you feel better, tell him a couple of Italian jokes.