Who are the most demanding people to be "kept" by?  

as the committee is reviewing performance from 2013...

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It was quite the contrary, but it does qualify for SPOTY considerations...IMHO

I've never seen this subject raised, so there's that.  I just don't understand why the question would occur to anyone.  I have no idea what the answer is.

First of all most people here are in P4P situation where they pay to fuck women... This is not a LGBT board.  There is one person here who is a lesbian - by her own admission.  There is not enough sample size of gays or lesbians here to even broach the topic of being kept by one.

I believe it would be a close call between straight women and lesbians.

and "performs" in the bedroom, doesn't mean she is experienced in lesbian relationship, let alone being kept by another lesbian..

I think the problem is that you have NOT spent enough time articulating what you truly want to express..

I am getting more and more lost in the maze here.. I have no clue where you are going with this argument...

I don't know about being "kept"..
I can tell you. For a fact that in general lesbians have something to prove.
My sister is homosexual, and she is the biggest pain in the ass alive.
A know it all, stuck up bitch is what she is.. Just sayin'

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Gay and a woman, there's one woman who is a triple minority - a woman, gay and also a race minority, things turn into arguments quickly with her if you don't agree.

There used to be one in my college class. I tried to be nice to her, and she was a complete bitch.. She would never even smile if I passed her in the hallway..

This whole "lesbians are man haters" thing is such a dated, unfounded stereotype. Maybe that one chick was a man hater, but there are plenty of straight man haters as well. Of all of my lesbian family and friends (not to mention the hundreds that I've known through my activism work) has ever displayed this kind of behavior.  

I did not say ALL. I said MOST. The ones that I have come across have been extremely hostile towards other men. And there have been more than one. I just cited one example from my school years. I am yet to meet a pleasant lesbian.  

So you may not even know anything about their sexual orientation.  Gay men who are "queens" are a small percentage of that group, as are lesbians who are bull dykes.  As a result it's impossible to generalize, same as with most other things.

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Maintaining a semblance of affability or tolerance for a length of time is highly problematic no matter what the gender or sexual preference. Ask any landlord and they'll tell you. "The relationship always starts with heartening promise and amity, and they usually end with disheartening disappointment and animus."

I was just relating my experience of the perception that I got from the ones who are obvious about their lesbian identity.

I don't think it has anything to do with a person's sexual orientation, race, age, gender, or any other label.

I think people are designed to want to be free and any undue infringement of that is of course going to be resented and lead to problems.

Of course there could be some people who for various psychological reasons feel the need to be kept.  I think these are the people who often end up in jail.  They are known as recidivists, or people who re-offend because they can't handle being on their own.

I think the SPOTY considerations must be re-opened and maybe even a new category addressed for this particular lunacy.

And can we please try and remove the term "fag hag" from the vernacular around here? The word "fag" is so hurtful and offensive.  

He wasn't really seeking real answers or wanted to engage in any sort of intelligent discussion.

You can’t even get a lesbian card until you agree to all of the terms and conditions; one of which is to agree to hate all men.  It’s part of the lesbian oath.

It's tough to keep up with the work load. But, threads like this do make the job easier.....lol....

See the thing with my sister is the fact that she makes this big deal about being gay.
It's a slap in my face when she thinks we (my fam) gives a shit.
I'll love my sister if she wanted to fuck rocks. She doesn't understand that.

Many of the providers I know are "really bi" and I love that.  But even though they love their fellow females they are intensely feminine and love cock, too.  More to the point, no doubt you've heard the term "lipstick lesbian."  It covers women who are gay but look and act extremely feminine and fuckable, but they are simply not available to men.  Unless they have also chosen to be providers (and there are a few).  They will fuck you for money but secretly are imagining their GF is fucking them with a strap-on.  It's all good!

A gay friend of mine and I were at a party together.  He's the "fem" in a LTR with his partner and is flamingly out of the closet.  Another guest of the  party was a guy suspected of being totally closeted; something out-there gays detest.
So my friend was putting on a show to embarrass the closeted guy.  The funniest part of his routine came when he said loudly, "You know...I am really bi-sexual!" Everyone laughed, waiting for the punch line they knew was coming.
"YES!" he said, "I like gay men and straight men."

The minorities are the majority here...
No one has an excuse here.

Like I said.. My own sister has a problem with me, as a man.
She is unable to understand the fact that I don't judge her.

wow.  

Just know that some of us breeders are fighting for you. You're not alone.

My girlfriend is.... Pretty much the total opposite of me. If we go out together, no one says anything to me, but she is the one who gets all the judgement, stares, and comments. Life is NOT the peachy keen image that you imagine, and it is quite different to see it vs live it. Both of us have every right to be "man hating bitches",but we choose not to be, because we are first of all regular ass people who don't have the time to care what anyone else wants to do with themselves. Unfortunately, people are not always so ready to extend that same courtesy

I've noticed that, especially with my "gold star" friends, it's not a hostility, it's just a legitimate, genuine lack of interest all together, so they just treat you like any other person. They may come across as direct, or abrasive, but most of the time it's truly just the lack of behavior modification a straight woman would go through in order to discuss something with a man.  

Anger towards the whole world because of the wrongs done to your community in the past... There have been lot of ethnic communities, minorities that have been wronged in the past, but being just ANGRY at the whole world, is not the answer.

and where does the behavior modification comes from. Probably some deep rooted anger towards men altogether.

Lets see...umm....The first time in my life I could be legally married was last year. Oh....there were a couple of  states that would recognize my marriage. All good unless I crossed the state line.  

since the late 60s...Legislation typically takes time when you are talking like a complex country like ours where the states right and federal rights are different from each other. As of Dec 2013 there have been 17 states where gay marriage is legal and the first one to legalize it was Hawaii in 1998.

Are you not free to live your life as you please?

You'd think the college kids of today, would be up to date. On our current culture of acceptance, here in America.

My sexuality is not a lifestyle. It is my life. My REAL life. Unless you think being heterosexual is a "lifestyle"?

Sounds to me, vern, like her entire answer makes it clear she has not been free to live her life without a bunch of bigoted shit to deal with.  I totally get why it makes her angry.  Sometimes people have a right to their anger.  It doesn't mean she hates men because she's a lesbian, either. And I don't think she hates all men, just those (and women, too) who are prejudiced.

Women are bombarded from a very early age with information about what is the "appropriate" way to behave around men. Maintaining the mans ego, and his attraction, are central to a lot of this advice. When that desire is completely nonexistent, those tricks of the trade are not useful. So, like you, they remember and abide by a different set of societal standards and norms. From my experience, many so called man hatey lesbians are simply interacting with a man as any other man would. The difference is that you wouldn't get offended if a man spoke to you without that little extra touch.

Like the "single mom" crutch. Who fucking cares?

Walmart taught me/us a great hiring lessen. We've established a "questionaire" that gives us some insight to our applicants. We don't hire gays, liberals or women who're hoping to be pregnant soon lol. That last one is dificult to ascertain though. I'm not paying someone to stay home, on my dime, to wet-nurse a newborn. Of course we only have 3 full-time employees. The others never see over 30hrs a week lol

I asked him later if he made that up on the spot and he claimed he did.  I still wonder, because it was just too perfect.

I grew up in a different era, than you and HotPlants.

I'm the girl who got flamed and called self-hating for doing just that when I was young. Which by the way, assimilation doesn't equal self hating.

I never said those things about HP?

but I can't recall, saying HP was a man hatter. Perhaps I might have in jest at some point, although I can't remember doing so.

I can't think of a single thing she said that shows she longs for intolerance.
I'm not sure what era you think I grew up in but in my family it did not include being intolerant, although there was plenty around.
And I don't think HP gives a damn whether she's "accepted" by the majority as long as she's treated equally.  I have no problem with that.
I don't like prejudice, whether it's against racial or sexual minorities or whether it's a gay person who doesn't like me because I'm a white, heterosexual American male.

I have no need, desire or motivation to adhere to any of the expected mollification when it comes to interacting with men. And, some men find this confusing. Doesn't mean I don't like them

I thought it was an excellent post about HPs views and opinions in these sorts of discussions. She gets bagged on a lot, but very few people ever consider where she's coming from.

This might be the most offensive thread I've seen on here, and I'm straight.  

or intolerant?  I don't believe you grew up in the 80s and 90s as did I.  

Just wanted to clear that, those view were not my own.

huh....let me break down my rant for you. And maybe you can enlighten me about how these things have affected you.

To me, it isn't relevant.  I just think you're projecting a lot of assumptions about her that you couldn't possibly know, like that she "thrives on being different," etc.  We really know almost nothing about her.

I am not an asshole all of the time.  At least that's what they tell me, though I'm sure some would disagree.

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Probably because gay men find it amusing that so many straight guys make assumptions about intentions that aren't actually there.  

The only thing worse than an insufferable bigot is an insufferable bigot who pretends not to be an insufferable bigot.  

You sound just like her...
And you full of shit.
What makes you think you are so different?
News flash.. You are not.
So go and take your high and mighty tone, and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Hello? It's 2014.  
Wake up ladies.. You are not Rosa Parks.
Do not insult her legacy by trying to be. It's wrong.
You should have more respect.

I could complain for days about how the government is fucking me too.
Join the club, and stop whining.

I have a sister just like her.
I do not agree. Gotta take a stand on this one.

I'm not going to answer all those questions.

Maybe you're gay?

What in the hell are you talking about? We're talking about the fact that the queer community are still considered second class citizens, and you turn that into a tirade about white guilt?

That is exactly what happened with my sister..
The more we reached out to her, the more distant she became.

It's a metaphor.  

Do you realize how scared my bosses are of upsetting a homosexual?
My side of the story is that gays are not equal anymore..
They are favored. It is unfair to me.
See. You are using that crutch again..
It doesn't make you seem equal. You know?

For unwittingly starting the Last Huge Train Wreck of 2013

As a heterosexual man with ample experience with gay people (live in a high gay-density area, lesbian nextdoor neighbors, two lesbian bosses, several gay/lesbian acquaintances...), you need to get out and spend more time with gay people with your guard down. Some lesbians may be more standoffish because they still get hit on by guys who think they can "turn" them, or are otherwise hostile because the lesbianism means that they have exactly 0% chance of getting some.

Well then it's a good thing you called me a hooktard.  

Seriously. All lesbians are not your sister, and all lesbians do not hate men. You and your buddy are just willfully ignorant, and that's fine. But here's a little tip: your view and your sisters view of the situation are probably totally different, and I would not be surprised at all if you and yours are the cause of her attitude around you. Not only are you an incredibly ignorant and offensive person, but you are so unabashedly so that I can't imagine being thrilled about your house on thanksgiving.  

If a guy has a bad experience with a girl in college and refuses to "smile back at her when she passes him in the hallway" I guess he can be classed as a woman hater along with the rest of the straight male population.  

I did a search and found some posts that mentioned a top 100 escort who is gay. That was interesting to read those because out of all the men she has seen, I doubt that one of them even knew her sexual orientation.  

And, even worse, you don't seem to have any awareness of it. The worst kind.

to unravel the fabric of society.  

The fact is..
She is the one with the hang ups..
I'll say it again..
None of my family cares that my sis is gay.
She became a reclusive person who ditched her family.
That is my gripe with her.
It kinda hurts when a family member just up, and leaves..
For whatever reason.
I get pissed because she tries to use her sexuality as a scapegoat.
It's extremely hurtful to my mother especially.
We never gave her a reason to act like that.

Figure out the shit with your sister, or don't. Hear me when I tell you you're being a ginormous dick. Or don't.
I don't CARE. Whatever you have going on with your sister, is happening WITH YOUR SISTER.

You have a point though.
Two points that I get.

Honestly hound, I give heterosexuals slack every day of my life. Maybe you can return the same.

Sorry for that..

Why didn't you tell me my sister was posting here too Dad?

And, you don't need to be 'nicer'. Just interact with me like I was any other human being.  

you should know I've really got my hands full.  Butterball keeps trying to fuck my goats and it gets worse from there.

you and I can hang at gay pride next year?