Besides being amusing at times isn't one of the primary purposes of TER is to protect both parties real identities. I contacted a hi rated provider and she wants my real name, phone number and a deposit to boot!I saw this with an agency as well.
If she or they get busted I could be next. It's her business and her life but I can't believe that many providers ask for that information and that there are many hobbyists willing to provide it. She said politicians have given her their info. No wonder our country is so F'd up. Look at how stupid our "leaders' are! LOL
usually scam artists. Problem is, some put real names on the NBL, which I think is a little harsh, unless they do something bad - like have lettuce in their teeth, or miss a spot while shaving their balls LOL.
My thoughts are the original purpose was so the men looking for companions had a resource to find providers that were legit and get a look at their menus and performances.
Secondary purpose seems to be a great place for the ladies to advertise for next to nothing.
Each reviewer has to decide how much information he is willing to give. I took a break from the hobby for a couple of years and when I returned, found it VERY difficult to get started, even though I had several (older) reviews.
I think that once we have several currant reviews, we should not have to go through the whole verification process, a couple of references should suffice. That "hi rated" provider would not get my personal information from me today.
I haven't used agencies, so they don't get the info either.
Agencies and providers often save your information forever. The more people that have it the higher chance LE will end up with it.
Our safety is just as important as the ladies!
Jogging ladies memory he is using as the reference. Phone, email first n last. You cant say hi honey cakes its angelexotic, have you met "hardhat776L"? No one will give a reference that way. In event its a back page ad. Well . Those clients call within two min up to five hours later in a slew if calls. And none will sybmit to any screening. Nor does the lady have time. Besr bet then is to have a fid card to carry mace. And a shod foot ready to use. And just cross your dam finger. I got kinda freaked ast week doing an appt on a whim. I actually just texted the guys info to some one, before appt, aftervthatvis asking if he would be ok , with it. I assured him they arent gonna care or save it. He said fine so I was still wicked scared that day. Once he got here I was immefiatly at ease. The teddy bear body, goatee , harley davidsin gear,, reassured me. I was immediatly comfortable. He had a good vibe. I have to say I saw two more new this week I didnt screen. No tonight was fourth. The one tonight is a cute nice guybI been talkn too who works near by. I like good old fashioned soliciting the old fashioned way. That way I hand select who I am going to offer my services too. I been talking to him maybe a year and finally tonight I was ready when he called due to cancelation. It was better for me than the scheduled appt because this guy was reaaly cute and I was really comfortable.
I think depending on the voice you can tell alot. I am wary of younger guys. I am less worried if they are alot older. I screen guys under forty two heavily if meeting them online. I feel more nervous about crime and violence withbyounger men. I also dont screen sometimes when lazy orbif they are really nice and 55 or older I am not as concerned. Any time you see serial killers or violence its the younger guys. If a guy makes me nervous and has no screening, I say ok so you get a hotel, I call front desk to verify your there which means I need a name first n last..OR, have mace in hand when you answer door! Or have some one in an apt next door to listen for any altercatiobs. Or stick with regulars and guts you meet you see in person and hand select , I didnt screen iniki. I tell the guys I svreen sone days , other days I dont. If I get a weird threatening email or text or see anything not right in my path at all. I screen extra heavy that day or week. If there are alot of strange reservations being sentin, or you suspect your on some ones radar . Thats when to screen heavily, yes making it more of a challenge for new guests to pass screening. I didnt screen three clientsvthis week but all ifvthem gave info over phone, reservation forms. Talked on phone , I personally dont use hotels so any one that sees me, they will.know my personal info too so.
With sites like P411 and date-check around it is less likely that you have to give all your personal info at all times but it is up to the lady to decide what information she feels comfortable with. Keep in mind that some of us do have future endeavors that are constantly at risk that we certainly need to protect. Regarding deposits, if she is reputable, I wouldn't see that as a problem either, I get deposits all the time and never had an issue. It is essential in this business to practice straight forward communication, ask questions so no confusions take place. Regarding the Blacklist, unfortunately irresponsible providers use it for the wrong purposes, to blackmail gentlemen for financial gain or whatever crazy excuse thy can come up with therefore, less and less people are volunteering any personal info anymore. Luckily, this world is rather small so those sketchy characters get weed out from the professional, responsible and mature ladies pretty quickly.
my clients screening information. I think it is utterly irresponsible of a woman not to require it. If a woman is gathering screening information chances are she will never get arrested or hurt. P411 is for references. TER is for promotion. Screening is for the provider to do to the best of her ability. I want to be able to google you and verify who you are. Your money isn't worth endangering myself for. Many gentlemen prefer to see providers who are safe.
If you're using an agency you're putting yourself at risk anyway as agencies are always being targeted.
I have always given out personal info on myself and never had a problem. This is going on 10 years and over 60 gals.
Of course I would only do that with someone I felt comfortable with. I would never give that info out to someone without a track record.
I think that it is important for both clients and providers to be comfortable with what they do, and therefore both sides of the argument are right.
Just realize that you won't be seeing some gals, and let it go at that. On my end, if I ever do end up with my ass in a sling, I'll have no one to blame but myself. (And that's just the way I like it to be, too.)
I agree. It is really about BOTH parties being comfortable. If there is uncertainty, you often can have sessions that are very stiff and not worth it. As a hobbyist you have to have your limits and not just see any and everyone. With good research you can sense who is a safe bet with any personal information. There is a risk in this game that you just have to accept. Personally, seeing women who do not screen properly can be a bit risky. They are likely to be sloppy and more prone to get in situations that can get you in trouble. In fact, in certain cases, if the escort knows more about you with their research you may actually get more respect and better treatment. This is because she is not worried about you being LE or a psycho. She knows you are a professional who is not going to try an mess up your career over a sexual encounter.
Some BSC hooker blacklisted me and lied about me to other providers. I've never even seen the person. Now my personal info is on a blacklist site with a false claim about me and I can't do shit about it. I don't do agencies, so I'm not worried about not doing business with them. After this experience, nobody gets my personal info. My TER white lists are in the double digits as are my P411 OKs and DateCheck referrals, so if some ladies will not accept that, I guess that there are some I won't see.
Yes, TER is a big help, but may not be enough for many providers... And I don't blame them. That is why I also use P411. In the early days, looking back, I was a little too cavalier about sharing work info etc to get my foot in the door. I am much more careful now. The recent Agency busts in NYC, and associated news stories of hookers flipping and working for prosecutors is pretty scary. If a woman is not ok with over a dozen okays on p411, my WLs, reviews and checking any references, and still wants personal info - Fuuugetttaboutitttt (just saw Donny Brascoe on TV again).
Ok, I did make one exception recently for a highly reviewed provider, who is very witty, I knew was about to finish law school, retire, and move to another country. I took a flier given her anticipated law degree she was being extra careful and maybe I could be protected under attorney client privilege
I am generally avoiding agencies now as well. The demise of AC was pretty concerning... So far, so good, phew...
As for you ladies, I don't know how you do it. I don't blame you at all for asking for personal info to hopefully improve your safety.
Stay safe everyone!
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So I use P411 and Date-Check as well and never have a problem. I completely understand if a gal requires personal info, in which case I will not see her. I have contacted girls who say they require it, told them I'd love to see them but can't give them personal info but then list what I will give them. I have yet to be turned down, though I guess it will happen some day.
I hear what you are saying and completely agree. I just tried to make a date with a provider who wanted so much information on top of my DC and RS2K info. She wanted name and birthdate and home city and occupation and phone. Isn't that what DC and RS2K are for? I mean if you have more than 10 references on a verification site and lots of reviews, and just give your name and phone number, why does she still need all that additional info, including having me contact providers to send her additional verification info? My feeling is that if you give out all of that info, including birth date, you put yourself at risk for financial crimes like fraud and credit theft, ect.. When I let her know this, she completely flipped and called me condescending. Well, I guess we didn't click.
to be able to evaluate a provider based on her web presence and reputation. If a provider has gone to the trouble of creating a thoughtful, professional website and has a ‘known’ presence, the fact that she does insist on knowing who her clients are, in my view, is a very big positive.
I would never give out my personal info to someone I didn’t trust. At the same time, I would also never (absolutely never, ever) see a provider who was not making it a point to know who her clients are (really---who ARE they?).
A picture of a pretty pair-0-tits is never going to stop my brain from working. A provider who is consistently insistent about knowing who she’s letting BCD’s is the least likely candidate to run into trouble. Because, you’re right: it is her life and her business. She is the one with the most to lose. And when she protects herself, she is protecting you.
This is one of those things that ‘everyone’ is never going to agree on. So, operate in your own comfort zone. But, being willing to offer personal info to a provider is not nearly as dire as you’re painting it
A gang called the flying dragons, machine gun so n so, he finally got caught because his service he frequented had his info on file and was busted. He at this point had a normal job wife family was laying low. They found him after the name discovered. Some guys use a fake name. In event you want more than a pm and would like to personally message one the ladies the man reviewed. I notice none of them have records of the guy as his alias. If I were to ask hi so n so have you met sympathy for the devil?
They wont know. As for me mr sympathy for the devil. I saw inkiki after just talking on boards for avperiod of time. Your right but you can use fake name just for the screening. I guess it depends what that lady is goingvthrough or gas lived through. I would think any one thats been a victom of any type of violence would want a name first to deter rapist, thieves , brutal murderers. I never asked for two forms of id or real name until my best friend who escorts too was stabbed sixteen times and found wrapped up un a shower curtain . I knew ger for eleven years. Most assailants or purps looking for prey to brutally mame or murder, kidnap, . If they see your keeping records of the date and time they visit. In multiple record keeping avenues , either by emails or however. Had the women the craigs list killer been hip to this method of screening. He wouldnt have got far enough to have murdered more women.
There is no real hundred percent assurance. Innicent peopke get killed for no reason who dont even take risks like prostitutes and johns do. I believe when your time is up your time is up.. but for ne I never used to screen. I di now after what happened to the girl I knew. I know theres no way to be hundred percent bullet proof in this life, but having a little piece of mind going into it helps. I thinkbif I am willing to let the guy know mt real info. He wont be as worried. Also a service
Some of us have families, friends, coworkers, classmates, etc. who live where we work. That's a huge reason why I require real, full names from prospective clients. If I accepted fake names , I could end up opening the door to one of my professors, a friend of my brothers', or a colleague of my dad's. On one occasion, I narrowly avoided seeing the husband of one of my closest friends. In cases like these, I'm sure the majority of y'all would prefer to do whatever it takes to avoid that awkwardness.
On a semi-related note, I'd like to offer a big "FUCK YOU" to any hooker who uses guys' info for nefarious purposes. You're putting the rest of us in jeopardy for your own selfish reasons. It's because of you twatwaffles that the guys are becoming more and more reticent to cough up their info. I bite my thumb at you.
How often does stuff like this happen when to strangers meeting up actually knew each other? I can imagine in smaller areas it could be a bit more often, and don't blame you for trying to screen more carefully to prevent it...
That's going to happen .0001 % of the time.
But i liked your f u.
And I've narrowly avoided it three times already.
But i liked your f u.
Seems like an extraordinarily high rate.
Must be a really small town.
Or you're advertising to groups you associate with IRL.
Otherwise, With all due respect, unless your screening is different from others or the guys are that dumb about giving up their info, I'm still suspicious that your screening has randomly uncovered that many acquaintances.
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