?'s for Single Guys

When you go on dates with women, not escorts, what do you do on your dates?

Do any of you see escorts because it is hard to meet women?

Do any of you see escorts because the real work that a relationship takes is too much for you?

? for Married Guys

Have you ever done a shop swap for a few hours of fun? Has a lady friend ever said "Take me shopping instead of $!" and if so, did you do it? Is that welcome or not worth the time?

I am single and date quite frequently--I do the "normal" things one does on a date.  Go to dinner, or bar, or movie, or club, or play and hope I get lucky.  It is not hard for me to meet women but still the good thing about this hobby is that it takes the pressure off the dating scene.  If I don't get lucky it's no big deal--I know I can call a beautiful provider if I need to.  Judging from many of the posts and reviews I've read I tend to engage in this hobby less often than the average.  But it's always good to have a back up plan.

When I was single, I did the normal things on dates, whatever normal was. Not sure what we would do differently because we dabble(d) in the hobby, if that's what you mean. I didn't "expect" sex any quicker, certainly.

Didn't do the escort thing because it was hard to meet women. I dabbled because there was a certain thrill in being able to arrange time with an attractive stranger that culminated in certain pleasurable activities.

I think my answer to your third question would be what I answered for the second. Although the point about a relationship being too much work is a valid one.

Does the shop swap question apply to married guys? Why? I'm missing the connection. Since being married, I haven't indulged in the hobby, although if I did, you'd certainly be an intriguing choice.  

I'm a single guy; see providers, go to strip clubs because the type of women I'm attracted to aren't attracted to me. They are going out with super dumbass macho schmucks. The guys that drive the pickup trucks 5 feet off the ground. Non-provider girls today don't know what the hell they want.

I for one have NOT had the pleasure to engage in ANY activity with a provider yet, but have talked to one and sort of arranged a possible time frame...Im still unsure about this "Hobby", with issues, of:  Does everyone keep this a secret till death from anyone they marry or date?

However, I do NOT date that frequent...My ex girlfriend (of 4 years) and I broke up some months back, due to the fact that I was, and still am, unsure that I am marriage material!  I LOVE women...I love looking at them, and have been repremanded SEVERAL times for looking!

I went out on my FIRST date this past weekend with a GORGEOUS blond that was 8 years older than I (I tend to love those older women...Im 30 by the way!)!!  We went to dinner and had Sushi and Saki!  Then went to a tattoo parlor to see some things that I wanted to have done, and a few things that she wanted added to her tattoo (she already has her navel pierced, and a diamond nose stud)!!  We then we to a cigar bar, and had a few drinks and smoked cigars!

I work ALL the freakin time (70+ hours per week!), and this appeals to me, in that I do NOT have to call the woman the next day nor have a boss hanging over me all the time!  Essentially, I KEEP my freedom!

I have debated on buying another Corvette, because it was SO effective in getting women the last time that I was single, but I tend to not put the effort into women that much, and this seems SO much easier and convenient!

I think that it would be neat to pay someone a monthly fee to, in effect, be my girlfriend and schedule dates and events together, and not have to put up with the nagging that goes with it!!(smile)

Sorry for the long post!

I used to travel to Texas on business several times each month.  I had a fling going with a young lady I met at a gentlemans club there.  She had a need for nice things and I had a platinum card.  She was fun to be with and gorgeous.  I considered these shopping trips expensive dates and foreplay.  I fondly remember a fun afternoon watching her try on outfits at Victoria's Secret (I'm smiling now).  She would dress to kill and we would go out and order drinks in trendy bars.  I always stayed in a nice hotel, and nice hotel rooms  turned her on so after a nice dinner we messed up the bed but good.  We both understood what each one wanted.  That was a true GFE.  It was fun but it took years to pay off those credit cards.

Why do you ask?

Pretty much the same answers, a "normal" date is movie, dining out, clubs, concert, etc., and no, it is not too hard to meet women in SoCal, however the getting to know each other period is sometimes taxing.  Like the other posters, I think escorts and AMP girls provide the comfort of knowing there will never be a dry spell as well as the anticipation of a new woman.

Never did this as a married guy, although sometimes I wonder if I get married again, will I be able to just stop cold turkey?.  Probably a good question for the board.

Hell yes! three different people; six different trips. I've been to City Walk and dinner at BB King's T.O. Mall which included a Victoria Secret trip; A Fashion Island day; and a double bonus Forum Shops and Venitian walk. The Las Vegas trip turned into an all nighter where I snored like a drunken sailor and almost lost a friend for life.... LOL

I got to see purchases modeled later. In each trip shoes were purchased, once new towels and various perfumes, cosmetics bath and body lotions and a book. Average trip cost around $250. Average time spent around three hours. Mostly these meetings were to chear up a friend who was down.

I received gifts as well. Sometimes silly stuff like a Sanrio memo tablet, a tie or two and a book on "The Blues." I've never felt better than the 30 minutes spent cruising Victoria Secret's with a stunningly beautiful woman and having the other customers, salespeople and passers-bye look on with various kinds of smiles and nods.... "

Shopping with someone who is as sex oriented as I am is always fantastic. Do you know what most women like to do? Shop! Do you know where you can go to check out a flurry of beautiful women? Just looking mind you. Why, at The Mall! I've found the perfect reason to shop... To look at the babes! Forgive me.... !-D

I have never heard of the phrase "shop swap" before, but now that you mention it, I have to say, I like it. As a married guy, I think it would be easier to hide the expenses that way, instead of all those unexplained large cash ATM withdrawls.

Hmmmmm, now where do I find a provider who wants that kind of arrangement?

Let me add some brutally honest single man's perspective, since few of the other writers have; it wouldn't be a surprise if some of this is closer to the bone than the others would admit.

1) It's been more than a few years since I've been out on a "date" with a woman.  I am in my late 40's; I have no interest in women my age, or the "divorced with kids" scene, which I seem to run into a lot.  And unfortunately, not being Robert Redford, Michael Douglas, etc., or a politican, with either their money, looks, or power, my chances of snagging a comely young lass are next to zip.  Indulging in our hobby is for me, unfortunately but true, the only opportunity I have to experience young, vibrant and willing flesh.

2) See #1.  Also, here in the extremely PC Pacific Northwest, it seems like any woman you meet is a combination Earth Mother, New Age, Wiccan, Hippie birkenstock-wearing wretch.  There!  I said it!!  NW women have no sense of style, and dress like they're ready to drop acid and howl at the moon all night, rather than making themselves attractive to a man.  I'm NOT talking about wearing 6-inch heels or garter belts, either.  But what's wrong with a little hairstyle and makeup once in a while?  Or would that be too un-PC?

3) It depends on what context your question is meant.  If you are talking about the real work involved in meeting a woman, establishing yourself, winning a modicum of trust so she see's that you're not an ax-murderer, dropping major coin in wining and dining and playing the game, all in the hope that JUST MAYBE she'll hop in the sack, and then not freak out and think you're a perv just because you want something a little more than Mish with the lights off, then yes.  However, if the woman in question truly rings your bell, then obviously you'll happily do whatever it takes to win her.  Seeing an escort, though, is the most honest way to have a sexual relationship.  You both know EXACTLY what you're there for, nothing more, nothing less.

Bitter?  No.  Cynical?  Maybe.  Honest?  Yes.

But re. #2, that's why no man who likes beautiful women should live in the Pacific Northwest.  Unless, of course, you're into lurking around coffee houses looking sullen and brooding because you can't decide what body part to pierce next.  Then, of course, you'd have plenty of women to date.

The bottom line is the same though, all over the country-  escorts are the solution to male dating malaise for the reasons you described so well.

Q: When you go on dates with women, not escorts, what do you do on your dates?

A: What most men do:  dinner, movies, concerts, parties, just hangin' and talkin', all with an eye toward getting lucky.

Q: Do any of you see escorts because it is hard to meet women?

A: Not really.  It's not hard to meet single, attractive women, especially in L.A., as long as you're willing to get knocked around a bit.  I suspect that when people say it's hard to "meet" women, or men, for that matter, in large urban centers that are crawling wall-to-wall with single, available adults, they mean it's hard to keep on getting beat-up so much.  That said, I see the occasional escort because sometimes I jones for sex without any "baggage"  -- no miscommunication, no recriminations afterwards, no emotions -- I guess you could say no intimacy.  No matter what posters on this board claim, a "GFE" with a provider is the very definition of a chimera.  GFEs are for GFs, and real GF sex is by far the best, but with GF ecstacy comes GF nightmares.  Keeping sex hot with a long-time GF takes work and patience and, maybe, a bit of luck?  Hell, even not-yet-ready-for-GF-relationships sex can be difficult.  You have great sex the first few times but issues of compatibility arise -- i.e. can you stand each other fully clothed -- and you eventually drift apart, but rarely without recriminations of some form and intensity.  

So, sometimes I jones for relatively anonymous, sweaty and athletic sex.  No true emotional intimacy and no related issues, no real pressure to perform or please except for self-pressure, and no recriminations afterwards.  My favorite provider is Jacqueline (though I don't see her much because she's doesn't fit my budget, currently) because she has a brain and because she'll just do it, and sometimes I just want to do it too.  

Q: Do any of you see escorts because the real work that a relationship takes is too much for you?

A: Yes and no. See answer above.

My favorite provider has preferred to go shopping quite a few times.  I love to go shopping and see her try on sexy outfits as well as normal clothing.

One time we even surfed the internet looking for outfits for her to wear.  Talk about getting distracted....she knows I love it when she doesn't wear panties and one time when she was trying on  a micro mini dress, she came out and flashed me big time.  Needless to say, we bought that outfit right away.

I've even bartered with her for my professional services at times.  I only get about half of her rate but I don't mind two hours of my time for one hour of hers.

For most married men, taking a provider shopping in the regular nearby mall might be a little disconcerting but for me it was always across the border and I had nothing to fear.

I love it when she flirts with me, especially in public places like a clothing store.

Single Guy:

Dates are anything.  Movies, meals, theater, bars, coffee, beach, rollerblade, painting her place (happened recently), shopping, driving up the coast, probably lots of other things that don't come immediately to mind.

I have no problem meeting women.  But I'm not always in an intimate relationship and sometimes just want a fun uncommitted sexual experience when I'm not committed elsewhere.

No.  I'm not in a relationship right now, but one is "growing on me," so that's likely to change.  If/when it does, I'll stop seeing escorts.  My own choice.  When in a relationship I don't "cheat."

MisterG

I don't even know if you'll read this, but...I would take her shopping. I think that would be fun. I go see a provider because I want a good bbbj,greek and I'm way to shy to try to pick up.