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Don't waste your time with Switter
justsauce16 4 Reviews 5121 reads
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The official word from the people who run switter is that they HATE reviews, they HATE the idea of 'verified' providers, and they HATE monger intel sharing. As such, there will never, ever be anything of the sort on Switter.

In fact, advocating for anything of the sort will get you a 48 hour ban.

 

 
Here's the brass tacks gents. Switter was started by girls offering services that got other girls 10's on TER, but were only earning 7-8's because they weren't great at their jobs and didn't keep up their appearances. They'd much rather have a platform where they can trick and subsequently censor men than have real, honest reviews from their customers.

 

 
They don't respect you.

They never will.

Switter isn't worth your time.

Switter isn't going to be useful to providers for marketing purposes if it gets a reputation for being hostile to the customers. Maybe they will figure it out, or maybe Switter will just become a timesink for clueless providers.

It has a real backpage feel to it. As well as ads scattered from different locations. I think I'll just be content with the contacts I have already.

HappyChanges135 reads

"Running a thread on twitter cause a hoe has to pay bills tomorrow."

Sure, and after those bookings are over you won't be able to review them without putting your account at risk, especially if you took issue with them.

 
That's a problem, no matter how you cut it.

 

I take issue with that, and the general consensus of "Switter Jesus has come to save us Whorelujah!" when the move is generally regressive.

For a pig farmer to have a couple of beautiful swans gliding across his pond.  You just have to look around.  Likewise, Switter is only going to be an issue for hobbyists that can't tell a pig from a swan.

And no doubt it's always been that way anywhere we've been.

 

I don't see the upside to forcing mongers to trust a random provider, which is really the game plan on switter. Sure reviews weren't fool-proof, but they were at least more effort to manipulate and simple to root out said manipulation with a little effort. Whatever 'verification' system switter comes up with will be infinitely more manipulable.

I'm honestly this || close to buying into HX, which is trash in it's own right, because of the lack of alternatives.
If I wasn't fairly occupied with sugar babies at the moment, I'd probably have already done it.

 

 
As an aside, I probably should have taken your advice and gotten into the k-girl world when I had the chance. I probably wouldn't care much what happens to the rest of the hobby if I had.

that HX took down their ad  boards, so that may not be an option at this point.  Personally, I would rather use a seeing eye dog to find providers than HX.  The guys that run it are total pond scum.  

Well unfortunately for me, I am not sure I can successfully find the swans on switter
  I relied almost completely on ter reviews
(Thank you hobbyists for all the great guidance you provided)

So any tips?

So the only tip I have is to read the review, take off 20-25%  for the built-in "inflation" and then ask yourself if you still want to see her.  If not, keep looking for those elusive swans.  

 
Modified to correct typos

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I’m a swan but new to Switter.  I am referencing to my Reviews Ter, p411 and Twitter.  Professional pictures, the name and references of them in each state.  Also I think most of the providers kept copies of their reviews.  If a provider was on Ter, I assume she would say so on Switter.

I’m on Switter. A lot of us are on Switter. With the exception of back channel networks, you’re going to have to filter through a lot of girls on many different platforms until the industry decides what it’s going to morph into post-SESTA and what websites will become the front runners of adult advertising.  

In my opinion, here’s what you should be looking for in a quality provider: professional photos, mention of having formerly been on TER or P411, a website, good grammar (!)  

Here’s what you should be avoiding: A lack of all the positive things I just mentioned, any mention of drugs or being party friendly whatsoever, any sense of desperation, low rates.

And given the rate of disappearance of any other tools we have at our disposal, I think it's worth the effort to learn about it and use it. If nothing else, it gives us another way to stay in touch with people we already know and may lead to an expanded circle of trust.

The old ways are going the way of the dinosaur (I should know) and the smart individual will adapt.

max_starr138 reads

Ahh here you are...
@S2H here lol

Can't expect a site made by a provider for other providers to fully cater to clients. There is going to be a review site launching by May 8 if you want to post reviews. Intel sharing can be done through other channels if you network.
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I am not using it because I have everything I need at my thumb but I still see its usefulness. Just the fact that other TER providers are going there would be good enough for me to find who are available. If I am there, I would try to subvert it for my own benefits. Not so much that would get me banned but just enough so I will be happy to stay on it.
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Next I would just wait for a review site or another popular discussion board to appear and we are back full circle again.
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Then again I mainly TOFM so I would join already if my ladies can be found there.

There are many fine ladies on the new site. This is a completely discretionary activity, after all, and provocative comments like those below set an adversarial tone, are buzz kills and reflect poorly on the wonderful, classy ladies who truly set the standard.

"Sorry, but i don't really care very much what clients think at this juncture. we are focused primarily on worker needs and wants right now, not clients."

"Clients and providers have very different needs and wants, as communities. until this point there has NEVER been a community where WORKERS needs and desires are centered; Switter *is* that place. if you don't like this ethos, you're free to socialize elsewhere."

But I thank you for your "permission" to socialize elsewhere.  

 
No need to be defensive.  A pig farmer chooses his trade and doesn't need to justify himself to others.  He does what he does to make money, just like you.  However,  if you're a pig farmer who also has some swans, or as you put it, "many fine ladies," perhaps you could put them all in one section so we don't have to wade through the pig slop to find them.  Just a suggestion.  Others are free to disagree.  

 
When you say, "Clients and providers have very different needs and wants . . . ." and you are centered around the providers' needs and desires, it sounds like you are stacking the deck against the customers, just like Sauce said above.  If you mean something else, then you should explain, because that's the way it reads.  

Agreed. Those are quotes I pulled off the site that highlight what Sauce is talking about.

ormaybe142 reads

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/4/19/17256370/switter-cloudflare-sex-workers-banned&ved=0ahUKEwiTxLe-nsjaAhVvpVkKHQcfC1MQiJQBCDEwAw&usg=AOvVaw0g9oTu3BanWKrGz4lLFeVM&cf=1

Using a US company is just asking to get the boot. This is why I think it is interesting to follow Switter.
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There is currently no better pioneer than them. It is also interesting to see how TER is dealing with this law.

I'm surprised that cloudflare took so long to give them the boot honestly.

 

 However, I'm not surprised they tried to use cloudflare, because it's in-line with the rest of their general tech incompetence. Mastadon does a fair bit of the legwork for you, and gives you a baseline level of usability and security, but I do not think that Switter is run in a secure way given their other missteps and general floundering while trying to fix issues.

 
 It's only a matter of time before switter goes the way of Ashley Maddison and get's it's databases hacked/dumped. The "morally motivated" hackers are already talking about "purging degenerates" on switter. If you want to protect yourself at-all you need to be using a VPN to connect to switter, and never, ever give them ANY real information about yourself.  

I say this because I see guys with real looking names and real looking profile pictures all the time on switter. Those guys are going to have a bad time.

Cool.   If it doesn't work for you,  use whatever resources do.   Whatever get's you through the night...

Personally, I am on Switter, and happy to be there.  There are dozens of ladies that I know or know of there, and many comment there that rarely or never do so here.   They also are posting ads, and not being shy with pics.  In fact, there's a couple there that have been on my bucket list, and it will be cool to meet them at the M&G in NYC next week.      

I remember that the anti-TER crowd on Twitter was reveling in the loss of reviews on TER. This anti-TER crowd consisted of delisted, bad, or mediocre providers who hated the review system for exposing them as bad or mediocre providers. I would imagine that this anti-TER crowd of bad providers on Twitter would love this sort of anti-review policy of Switter because it will let them get away with being bad providers. (I accordingly plan to avoid Switter like the plague.) Do the people behind Switter have any connection to the anti-TER crowd on Twitter?

That's funny that you would say that, because you've been fairly vocal on your switter page about being anti-review. Anti-review is anti-TER, it is "The Erotic *Review*" after all.

 
 Also, in interest of full disclosure, you've applied to be a moderator on switter, so you have incentive to defend it outside of being a casual user.

 

I have screenshots to prove all of this, but the TER admins probably wouldn't let me post it. You can call them "a bunch of lonely guys staring at their computers in the basement" but they at least have enough class to keep private things private.

if I was.. I would not be here...  
previous poster asked if switter has conations with ladies (I guess u dont know the group I am talking about) that's ok tho...  

class to have things in private.. mmmm... yeah right lol  

I guess you have no-one else to figth with in here and u need to find an excuse to find with anyone else...  

SMH

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By your own admission, you're just here because it "pays your bills", not because you support TER. Again, I have screenshots to support this that I won't post publicly.

 

Also I'm not fighting with anyone. I'm calling you out and offering proof to back up what I'm saying. No more, no less.

HappyChanges130 reads

but Veronica took the time get her good reviews back and she post often on the boards. Enough to get me to book if she was in my area. Ter WAS a client based site and now it's practically gone and I understand your frustration.

Switter is currently a free for all and a mess for all intensive purposes. I've been lurking there for the past couple weeks and met two providers that caught my attention recently and had a blast. Both of them were on my to do list from Ter and 411. There post on switter made me book sooner than later. @turrent88

That's a great point. If Veronica really hated reviews, she wouldn't have adjusted her location in her profile to make them visible to us again.

I'm hardly frustrated. I'm only an occasional hobbyist, I spend most my time with tinderellas and sugar babies, which keeps lil sauce very, er, satiated.

My objection is a practical one. This hobby cannot exist long-term without some kind of reciprocal accountability. The review/reference system wasn't bulletproof in this regard, but it was very, very functional. Right now we're coasting on the momentum that TER and others brought to the table. Give it a year or two and that momentum is gone; We better have a widely adopted solution before then. Switter is not, and with it' current leadership will never be, that solution.  

 
Like I said, VT is here because it's good for business, not because she like reviews or TER in general. She generally seems to have a low opinion of hobbyists. These are all her words, not mine.

HappyChanges167 reads

your approach does not fit my lifestyle.  I'm almost positive a functional review system will pop up to fill the void and I agree that switter is not the answer. As far as VT, again, I have no dogs in this fight and you're probably right.

There's no way to know for sure.

It seems like their #1 community outreach person is someone named Mister Emelia. They're nice enough, but a google search brings up zero real history using that handle. Same goes for the rest of them.

 
So realistically now, these could be the same people who've been anti-TER on twitter all along, but I don't think it really matters much because they're **currently** anti-TER, anti-Revew, anti-Customer Safety. That, and while the operators of the site don't seem to be linkable to the Anti-TER twitter cesspool, the Anti-TER cesspool on twitter has certainly migrated to switter at least in part.

 

I would question the motivation behind anyone telling you something different than this, they likely do not have your best interests at heart.

souls_harbor141 reads

Switter, regardless of it's perceived weaknesses, is an alternative means of sharing information.  It's good to have redundancy when comm channels are specifically under attack.

You don't actually want just one perfect site, because it becomes the main target of attack.

Consider switter and all the other alternates that show up as useful in spreading out the comm links so they can't all be shut down at once or in quick succession.

One hard target is better than any number of soft targets. Many Hard targets are even better.

 

 There's a project called substratum that runs on a crypto backed network that essentially creates a web hosting platform that's completely encrypted and distributed among an entire network of node servers (It's like a hybrid of TOR, VPN, Bittorrent and a standard cloud hosting platform). A site hosted on that network couldn't be taken down without an act of congress, and maybe not even then.  

That's real progress, and it's a few months away from being possible.

Providers needed a place to advertise freely and gentlemen could use it to window shop and find there pleasures. I don't think anyone expected it to be a review site as to what I have read. It is to take the place of BackPage, escort malls and twitter so open advertising could take place. This is a win win for all of us. Yes, no reviews will change the game for the gentlemen so pick your ladies now who are already reviewed and fill your bucket up. I posted my first ad on switter today.

Kisses Haley

Everyone here is so negative and yearning for the past. It is gone.  Put your big boy pants and move on. Is Switter perfect? No, but it is a platform which is lacking now.

The good old boys here need to realize, it's time to readjust.  I hope TER survives, but will it ever be the same? Who knows.
Accept change and move forward. And if a platform does not work for you, find something else.

I haven't noticed 'review hate' on there.

Besides the 'toots' moving a little too fast sometimes I think Switter is the bee's knees :).

www.switter.at/@MOCHA

Shit I just made an account with them

All I get is errors... my home section is clear despite following some.. my notice section is empty...at the beginning both were populated.. I can't use search or listings.. for over a week now...they have had time to fix... I see no change... Switter doesn't work at all unfortunately...

are you using the desktop version? the amaraq app? what about the settings on ur device.. mine is working just fine. :)

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max_starr133 reads

I've been on switter since it went up... I think its great and the quality is much better than backpage.  Because it is open and searchable on Google, obviously the providers don't want reviews of potentially illegal activity...I thought TER was coming back, but if it is not, perhaps we can build a TER like site that is peer to peer, redundant, and outside US jurisdiction.

I thoroughly enjoy chatting and getting to know the ladies on there and the abundance of pictures and video is great for those who provide it.  

It is suppose to be like Twitter, but safer for advertisement.  It is not a replacement for everything has been lost from the new laws.  If people want reviews and to be able to review, than I would suggest they create their own place to do so.

...is that there are so many toots from non-escorts.  

I've blocked/muted some of it but there are just too many. They call it "findom" but it sure smells like spam.

Other than that, I think switter is a great way to see who is touring. I've booked some very memorable dates there already.

I feel like the only ones that are benefiting are the girls from BP only. They now can basically do whatever they want and have access to the higher quality sites and are slowly infiltrating them. e providers that worked hard to get good reviews just now become virtually invisible. This is seriously depressing

I found this site called PinkDate: "With PinkDate, we only make money when users successfully complete dates via our platform." Just thought people may want to check it out. I don't plan to join or research it.
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I also found two more reviews site. I would only trust TER and have not joined any site since TER.

Pinkdate is pretty cool, and I'm looking to get into their ICO when it launches.

 

Crypto is clearly the future for this industry, because if they can't prove money was exchanged or discussed it's no different than tinder really.

GaGambler124 reads

I do agree that Crypto is here to stay, but I remain unconvinced that BitCoin is going to be the new bench mark currency or even that it's going to survive in it's present form, As for Pinkdate, I don't see anything at all "cool" about it, it simply looks like they aren't even trying to look "non pimpish" and I predict with their high fees they aren't going to catch on anyhow.

I'm not so interested in the platform as much as I am the ERC-20 Token pump and dump that always happens. Only some of my interest in crypto is ideological, and I don't think bitcoin is the endgame here. There are plenty of other smaller projects that have more promise.

 
I think the idea of pinkdate is sound, but this isn't really decentralized like it should be and like you said, the fees are likely going to be high and pimpy. It's your standard software project that doesn't need crypto to function but is using it because an ICO is a great way to raise funds.

 
That being said, the substratum network will likely solve most of our problems, and can be built on top of. It basically creates an encrypted, decentralized internet that you can host whatever you'd like on, all paid for with SUB tokens. So all we'd need at that point is a TER like site on the platform and we'd be all set for awhile.

I'd like to see some kind of external verification/review system that runs on crypto as well. So that's basically pinkdate, but I'd handle the 3rd party with a smart contract instead of shareholders. The whole thing could run automatically on substratum, so nobody "owns" the website, it just exists in software. The smart contract could manage the crypto payments automatically, so the provider provides her client with a payment address, he pays before the meeting, and when they meet the transfer of funds is approved by the client in person. This kind of auto-escrow is already in use on the ethereum network. So no envelopes, no obvious paper trail, and the pre-payment gets refunded if the meeting never happens and the funds aren't approved, maybe even with a cancellation fee stipulation (which will be popular with the girls, no doubt).  
Also, it could have a review verification, where it could generate a public/private key pair when the transaction happened so the client could write a review and sign it with proof that the transaction happened, so no more fake reviews.

All of this hosting could be paid for by fees that are paying the substratum platform and whatever mining/staking/wallet system you're using. So that's still subject to USD market rate, but it's only costing in fees what it takes to run the system. Whoever puts this together would make their money off the ICO sale, so they'd have incentive to create it and could probably escape most liability because they don't technically run anything illegal.  

 

 

I've probably thought of this too much without actually doing anything about it....

imanalias116 reads

Bitcoin returned huge for some that invested before the end of last year. But today it’s a roller coaster, only good for crazy day traders. I believe it will rise above 10,000 again soon. But I’m not investing in it.

A totally clueless hooker friend of mine used it for BP before the end of year. Her initial investment wasn’t much. But when I told her to check her balance In January she freaked out, one week later it was cut in half, but still more than her original investment

I have a friend who does exclusively contract work, and she put all of her tax withholdings into bitcoin last year and paid her taxes by cashing out the appropriate amount of coin. She made off like a bandit.  

That actually works out ok, because you can claim it as a loss if you lose a shitload of money and file extensions if you need to wait out a big dip, or at least that's how she rationalized it. I think it's a little risky for my taste personally.  

 

BTC will be above 10k soon, but there are other coins that will likely see a higher % gain like ETH, LTC and XMR. XRP (ripple), NEO, SUB I think also have some promise if they see more widespread implementation.

I just see it as Twitter for SW. SWitter. So it's like Twitter but it doesn't have the restrictions of Twitter. Twitter is social media and not a review board, so expectations of Switter being a 2-in-1 shouldn't be... well ...expected ;)

I am still fairly new to Twitter and kept it clean but others were a bit to 'open' on there and put Twitter at risk now with the new laws. Now they can go to Switter and be how they want to be. But me I will just be the same...and work at trying to figure out how to make it work for me. There are plenty of other girls on there that say they are connected to TER and P411 so it's not just for bp girls. And they have pretty pics and talk intelligently. They have websites and remind 'entertainment seekers' that they have a process (to follow to be seen) etc.  It is a place to be visible and to let people know you are still out there. As long as they find their way there ;)

If you are here and you know the girls here, then why not follow them to Switter and hook-up socially to work out a solution to this mess? It is a time of change and sometimes change is hard, but you must be creative and resilient. Wishing everyone the best of luck ... :)  Melanie

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