So I recently had my birthday date with dinner and a movie which I set up on our 2nd encounter, the birthday date being our third.  
Nice sushi dinner and then a movie before heading back to my place for a massage ( she has worked in legitimate massage parlors in the past ) and fun festivities after 😜. What I wasn't expecting was for her to get me a gift ( some thought went into this gift as she knows what I do for a living )for my birthday. After the festivities concluded we just hung out and talked for hours about various topics from what's going on in the world to personal stuff (she told me that one of her friends married a client and left the business and to this day they are still together) the whole time she held hands with Interlocked fingers with me, messaging my scalp and forehead. It was truly relaxing 😌. Yes I paid for her time but it was a really low amount for 6+ hours. She eventually left around 2am and she told me to call her soon. Some thoughts that have come across my mind but I'd like to hear from the congregation for opinions on this. I looking for honest opinions.

Maybe she’s gaining your trust to harvest your organs for sale on the black market.  

Not sure what exactly you're asking. Sounds like you had a great time and enjoyed it. If youre asking if you might be more than a client, keep your expectations very low. Some providers are really good at what they do. Don't overthink it. Enjoy it but I'd suggest remembering that she got paid for this time.

Be careful.  She may legit be a good person.  She also may be hoping to rope you into supporting her financially.  

rafl has it right.  you are probably dealing with a master manipulator who is trying to make $.
Keep your expectations very low.

In these situations, odds are always stacked against you. But I say fuck the odds. The only shots you regret are the ones you don’t take. There is only one person that can answer your questions. You just need to decide if you want the answers. If you do, go get them.

fucking funny!!

what *your* thoughts are!
Kind of need them to give an answer.
Otherwise, it's just speculation on what you're looking for in a response.

So, what exactly are you asking? That you’re falling for this woman? Careful dude. You know what business she’s in, right?

She’s knows exactly why she wants it’s a stable relationship. You should beware boundaries my need to be established. Make sure you know why you want. Marriage is obviously 🙄 a desire for her.

Lots of speculation on what she's up to, but nothing about what you want.    

Agree. The best indicator that she "likes you" more than as a customer is when she tells you that you no longer need to pay her for sex. Until then at best you're a 'favorite client'.

@SilverWolf69    
 "What  is  your  query?"

Even if it's a "SMALL AMOUNT."
Very good chance she's just being good at sales. Just keep your head.

But, have a strategy for how to deal with a possible rejection.  

Whatever your looking for her i hope it works out.
She sounds like a very loving provider  

you have "with a few clients" leather or nylon?   Just curious.  

When there's also rubber and vinyl. Not to mention metal etc.

dont let your expectations get too high.  enjoy  the moment and LOOK SOMEWHERE ELSE  for  the next.   it will keep you grounded.  you have experienced something that very few do. enjoy the moment and look for another.

This is exactly right. You make her enjoy her JOB. She probably really likes you as a CLIENT.  

I have made this comment before, but why in all other industries when a person is amazing at their job they are exalted, but providers in sex work are labeled "master manipulators"? Do a lot of other people out there have jobs where their goal is not to make money? When someone pays an individual to provide a service, if the service provided is above and beyond what was expected, do you always assume somehow the provider of the service has an ulterior motive? We are hired to provide a service. If you leave a session feeling better than before we have done our job. That is not manipulation, that is our job, and something all good providers strive for in this industry with all of their clients.

I do not know if it is manipulation or good business. The salesman provides something extra on a job- is he a nice guy or working on the referral or the next job. My minister or priest going beyond the normal may not be lining his pockets but maybe it looking for a larger offering or do something special so the church might porcine an heir.  
I think for the provider and the others  is good business and good service and maybe doing the unexpected and is what sets them apart .

Spare me. I never said all. It was a warning to this person to be careful. His post gave the impression he thinks it’s more than just business.

No, you did not say all, you said "a lot of women in this industry". I also got the impression that the OP was reading way more into what happened as well, but that would be on him and his interpretation, not her. Instead for some reason you felt the need to say "a lot of women in this industry are master manipulators" and partially blame the provider for his misinterpretation, rather than just telling him directly. There are some absolute narcissistic, chauvinistic, cheap ass pieces of shit clients out there that I would not piss on if they were on fire. Are most guys in the industry like that? Absolutely not,  and as a provider I would never say that, considering I know most clients out there are really amazing men. Are some women master manipulators? I would assume, just like some clients are. Are a lot or most? I would say doubtful, for providers or clients.

Definitely agree. In the end it’s business. Most people when they do business want to make as much profit as possible. Women who do this are no different.

I'd agree that calling providers "master manipulators" is a bit harsh. However, I would say that providers, and sex workers in general, are very good at seduction. Seduction is a form of manipulation. OP is being is definitely being seduced and should probably stay grounded. Are many, all or a lot of providers seductive or good at seduction? I think so because it seems to be an important part of the job. I know I've been seduced. The thing is I stay grounded by practicing compartmentalization. OP needs to realize what he signed up for. The words used were a bit harsh but the advice was still sound. Be careful if a provider makes a client warm and special because... that's what the client is paying for.

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"Harvest The Organs".....

They offered a Masters in manipulation.  Do you have to have a BA in salesmanship as a prerequisite? To defend your thesis, do you have to get the examiner to buy something they don't want and can't afford for an inflated price?

I have had similar experiences with a couple of amazing providers.  Sometimes you can have amazing chemistry with a provider, and I have had a few tell me that I am their favorite client because I am respectful, hygienic, and I tip well for great service.  This means sometimes they too go above and beyond for me.  This is especially true with my ATF (who is of course my ATF for good reason).  

I’ve seen someone say she’s manipulating you. Well if it was all about money she probably would be charging a lot, but you mentioned it wasn’t an outrageous charge for 6 hours of her company .  
Maybe she likes you, after all we sometimes have a favorite too.

Lorena and angelinajones are at least addressing this posters question in a serious way .  

Well said Miss Scarlet.  The date was successful as both people brought their best version of themselves to the experience. Positive vibes count both ways imho.