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adelinedare See my TER Reviews 149 reads
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I had a client who chocked me to within a minute or two of passing out. If i had gotten his real life info he might not have tried. For the moment i am still content with providers references. I had a prospective client who made up emails for provider references. You need to check the references. Always. I have also requested work emails from clients who have no references. I am not trying to be intrusive just safe. Don't get angry at me for that. 99.9% of my clients are safe and 90% are just great! but it only takes one. Stay safe.

Submitting real life information for our safety should never be an issue.

You have every right to screen however you wish, but I also have every right not to go through your screening process and therefore not become one of your clients. I always skip providers that ask for that information, like driver’s license, full name, work email, etc. There are plenty of beautiful models who don’t require it, I’ll stick to those providers.

Let me start by saying that I absolutely understand and respect your desire to keep your real world information private. However, I find it very perplexing that, given the vast and myriad selection of providers who do not ask for this level of screening information, y'all feel the need to moan about the providers that do ask for it. Or to go so far as to try to book them and harass them. You are not entitled to access. It is simply a matter of the two of you not being a good match. Move on. If you do not value their time at least value your own. Why waste your time and energy trying to coerce a provider into doing something that clearly makes her feel unsafe?

allcomers128 reads

And for me — it's an issue. So I've cut myself out the picture for some of you and I accept that. Every now and then I see a provider at an agency that requires pii and the temptation to give in goes through the roof. Then it passes. My security is important.
 
And it should be beyond questioning that you do what is best for your security. You take on a lot of risk. Thanks to all of you for doing what you do.

RespectfulRobert125 reads

But I am sure you would understand why, in this day and age of hacks and outings, many men feel uncomfortable doing so. That being said, no guy should ever hassle a women with what she feel she needs, info wise, to be safe. If a potential client doesn't feel comfortable with what the girl is requesting, he should look for a different provider.  
This issue is the same as deposits for me. I won't send a deposit (or my real life info) to a woman with a bad rep, or one that hasn't established any reputation yet, but then again, I don't contact those women to begin with.

BFENiceGuy139 reads

I gave my real life information to three mature well-established ladies over the past three years.  Recently, I received an email at my "hobby" email address that had my real name in the heading.  I have painstakingly avoided any connection between that account and my real life information.  The sender of the email was attempting to bribe me and asked for $1200 in bitcoin within 10 days.  I did not comply with the request but for ten days I was wondering what might happen.  So, I won't be giving out real life information any more.  I will stick with ladies who know me.  As to new ladies, if you won't accept the 30+ OKs I acquired over a long period of time, then sorry, I won't be seeing you.

BFENiceGuy125 reads

That's 30+ OKs on P411 where I am verified.

allcomers133 reads

Sorry in came at your expense, but I needed to hear that, so thanks. It affirms my decision not to give out any pii.

rather nice when referring to that experience as “attempting to bribe” instead of what it actually was, "attempted blackmail". I’ve encountered a similar experience once myself, never again will I provide real info. If a provider’s website or ad mentions wanting real info, pics, or deposit, I immediately, without hesitation, swipe left. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.

I've been enjoying my chosen career of sexwork for a long time now.
I actually never thought I'd see the day that guys actually hand over their Real-Life-Information.
-Still amazes me.

@VelvetVacation
Do you have a screening process by which you've been able to
enjoy your chosen career, that assures your guaranteed safety  
each and every time when booking clients?

Wondering for a friend...

I just posted to the Legal Corner board about the increase in Sextortion, usually by SBs.  
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/legal-corner-25/sb-extortion---sextortion---schemes-in-the-news--24643
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If anybody thinks it should be moved to General or Erotic Highway, feel free to ask TER to move it.

Posted By: QueenBia

Submitting real life information for our safety should never be an issue.

With what the young lady may ask for her screening process. But from my end I have to be comfortable with providing such info. Are the reviews that she have positive? Does she have a clear present website, not some (craigslist, or adult finder).she has to have a positive presence. And it'll always be a "No" on the deposits. Sorry but I do draw the line somewhere.
But overall, I'm pretty good at weeding out the riff raff from the crowd and if I smell a rat, then it's a "No, no" on any personal info.
But I don't freak out over it...

One should never speak in absolutes..  

 
That is the only absolute statement one should make..  

 
Carry on Diva..

I will absolutely NEVER give a provider my real information.
Carry on Curley. LOL.

I prefer outcalls to me home and just providing the address let's a provider know much about me.

I love this board & community! We are adults. We all can agree to disagree. Do what fits your needs. Thanks for sharing. I read every response & hit the like button on several.  Smile 4 me! xo

You are largely a very positive influence on these boards, but to say we should give up personal information for your safety and completely disregard our own isn’t a fair statement. Just curious, will you be providing your personal information as well? Drivers license, etc. I mean, just trying to keep it level so that we are ALL safe.

Wait, is your point that you have plenty of reviews to confirm you are safe? That’s the whole point of verification boards like P411, etc. You have every right to screen the way you want to, but to say that the paying customer should have no problem giving up their personal information isn’t well thought out; unlike you given your posts are generally very insightful. There are way too many instances of people being shaken down, and your inference that your safety is somehow more important than ours is offputting to say the least.

worried146 reads

How about just your real name?

worried138 reads

So what do you do with all the information that is collected?  I'll bet most keep it on another format.  Even if it was deleted, don't you think it can still be accessed.  Oh BTW, if caught, should we trust you preserve our information over your freedom.  Safety is a two way street.  Hard pass, but thank you

Ya know, that FEAR of the unknown? or being out of your comfort zone?
Hookers have to deal w that feeling every time they allow someone New into their space.
They like the feeling of having your balls in their hands even before you arrive.

What do they do w the information?
They save it in their weapons arsenal.

or, another way to look at the process is,
It's like attaching one of those
Wagz Smart Dog Collars on you to keep you in line.

That said, I really do feel all this nitpicking is going to be obsolete
when AI (Artificial Intelligence) is ramped up.

If my Ok's on P411, which validate I am not a creep AND provides a list of ladies for references, if that is not good enough, I take a pass.

tomh2130 reads

I provide the exact same information and type as the provider makes available to me.  A few providers know and have my real information as I do theirs. Several long time providers who are friends one-hour at a time over some number of years. Others, get the same level of info as they provide.

Unfortunately, I saw this occur to a client who visited a lady I had previously seen BCD. The lady (who subsequently delisted from TER and changed her work name) put a poor soul's PII on blast on Twitter for leaving her a 7/7 review. This is just one real life example why I won't be supplying PII anytime soon.

To each his or her own.

Most folks probably would rather not see anyone who scores below a 7. But that score is nothing to have such a vendetta over. But we are being set a bad example when all the gig economy platforms consider any rating below five stars as zero.

I've got a choice of words for someone who cant handle an "average" scoring review and posts pii info of a client publicly . This subset does not include "lady". It does include "danger to all mongers" and some words that may start with a "b" or a "c".

I have seen P411 mentioned a few times.  While that is in theory a good option, I would argue it's not much better than sending it to the lady (or agency if that is the case) directly.  In fact, I would argue it is actually more dangerous.  I say this because you are now centralizing your personal information.  Sure, preferred states they delete your data, but what guarantee do we have?  Are they audited?  Do we have proof that information is not retained in any format? Sure they may never share your information knowingly, but what about other methods (*cough* Ashley Madison *cough couch*)

I guess it boils down to your own comfort level and the comfort level of the lady.  I do not believe I will ever provide my personal information. If that means I never see a lady I would love to see, then that is the risk I will take.  Myself, I will not provide any information that will link this life to my personal life.

Nikki Irish was an established provider with plenty of reviews.  A year or two ago she outed a guy because he cancelled an appointment with less than 24 hours notice and refused to pay a cancellation fee...$100 or so.  The guy says he gave 24 hour notice, she said it was only 23 hours 58 minutes.  Anyway, she posted his name and employer on Twitter.  A quick google brought up his Linked-In with photo.

I remember this because another guy on twitter gave notification and I read the original post before it got deleted.  The guy was local to me.

I remember Nikki Irish! She and I had an appointment a while back, in which I requested photo/video. When I arrived at her in call, with my equipment in tow, she backed out of the deal and came up with some B.S. about how she thought it was going to be filmed on a cell phone. I figured….fine, she’s a flake so I’ll take my business elsewhere! However, as I was about to leave, she asked for $100 compensation for her time or else she would black list me. I was kind of a newbie to the hobby at the time, so I reluctantly gave in, after initially resisting. I remember thinking to myself that I just been played by a con artist! I never spoke about it until you just bought her name up. In hindsight, I wish I would have told her to screw off and walked out, but I guess I was afraid she would have made up a false story about me and had me blackballed.

PistolPetey120 reads

I've seen Nikki twice. Had a good time. She comes across as very harsh on Twitter but I found her to be extremely sweet in person.

I'm not into Greek but that's her main focus. In fact I lost my Greek virginity to her lol. It was okay but I could take it or leave it.

I probably wouldn't see her again because she really didn't allow DATY (she said she wasn't into it) and there was very little kissing.  

One evidence in favor of p411 not keeping your real life info is that they don't auto-bill you on a periodic basis.  You have to initiate renewal payments on your own.

For providers to post ads we have to take photos of ourselves with our ID's, so it is a 2 way street. When I started as an outcall nude entertainer in College the agencies required ID's to verify clients for our safety. I have a personal & private life, so I respect yours as well. I won't see anyone without doing my own homework for my safety. As a single super Mom it is imperative I return home after a date. If anyone does not desire sharing real life information, than I am not the provider for you. No harm. No foul. Thanks for sharing.

If I came across as disagreeing with you, that was not the case.  In no way will I ever dictate what you need to do to feel safe.  I can guarantee the horror stories I have heard, probably don't even scratch the surface to what happens or could happen to you ladies.  My reply was simply a combination of a discussion point for the use of a referral site like P411 and my own opinion of sharing personal information.

The separation of personal and private life is not limited to the "mongers" (as I am finding the term here is known).  The double standard is unfair.  I appreciate that while you are asking for personal information you are respecting ours.  But I don't have any more of a guarantee of that than you do from me should I happen to say the same.  That being said, I do not argue that you should ask for the information you are asking for.  If that is what you need than that is what you need.

This has been a really good discussion.  I have actually enjoyed some of the commentary.  Thank you.  Be well.

But unfortunately some providers have abused real life information for petty reasons. I have seen John's full name address and phone number outed for being late on public blacklist site that showed up on Google. I also talk to a guy that was being black mailed with that information.

I have also seen women destroyed for not screening lake crazy including obtaining real life infomatiin. Things worse than LE.  

It is a catch 22. Both sides have people that are less than honorable in intent. My opinion is everyone should screen everyone. No one should give out more than they are compatible with and no one should see anyone who they feel they don't have enough information to screen to their comfort  level. If a John doesn't feel comfortable sharing the info a provider wants he should move on. If a John refuses to provide the information a lady wants to properly screen him she should politely refuse to see him. But both should respect the needs of the others needs for privacy and security.

Personally I give my real information out but I am pretty nuke proof. But not every John is. But at the same time I feel a lady really should require real information. Failure to screen lead to some ladies getting hurt bad I know. With bad actors on both sides must decide what risks are worth it and respect those that aren't a match and just move on not try to change their mind.

Any guy desperate enough to send a provider his personal info is an idiot. And any guy that truly believes that a provider deletes your personal info after she's verified you is an even bigger one. They keep it, at least until after the initial meet, in case you cause problems during your time with her. You are sending your personal info to a complete stranger. It's also very hypocritical that providers want your ID with your current info, but routinely lie about their age and advertise using outdated pics. I've seen hundreds of woman via references only; the ones who want ID and deposits only continue to ask for it because some of you idiots keep sending it. Stop seeing providers who require these things and they'll change their screening process or risk going out of business...

Posted By: DrZoology
Re: Idiots
Any guy desperate enough to send a provider his personal info is an idiot. Stop seeing providers who require these things and they'll change their screening process or risk going out of business...
Far too many men think with the wrong head. How many times have we read on a review or here in the discussion boards

 ". . . she looked so sexy in her photos that I just had to have her" or  

"She had been on my radar forever but was hard to book due to her popularity. I gladly paid a deposit to secure the session." or

" . . . and she also has the biggest tits I've ever seen in my life, and I'm a lifelong breast man"

DrZoology, I'm with you: I've never given my personal information before and I have no plans of starting to in the future. Unlike some guys, I don't want or need an escort's real information, so it's a two-way street for me. My philosophy is that I give my fake name and my real cash, she just has to give me her fake name and real sex. Win-win.

You want my info.  
I'm not giving it to you.  
We will never meet.  
No issue.

It is an extremely personal activity... To not at minimum know who you are - forget the name, forget the safety - Let us consider exactly what is happening. With a complete stranger. Let us consider the vulnerability which was conditioned in our minds as young adults that this specific activity requires trust. Trust takes time to develop. Yes, I understand this subculture is the alternate reality led by fantasy, But in my opinion, if its not a real as possible it is merely an illusion.  

I dont understand why screening simply does not go both ways. I couldn't even guess at the number of providers who have just as much to loose family and status wise as the clients do. Bit of a double standard. I say, if you have something you hold very dear in your life, why then would you even play with fire? If you have a problem with giving out personal info in order to do an extremely personal thing, it just makes sense to NOT do that personal thing with anyone other than the people (not referring to monogamy) whom you are "personal" with.  

Ex; I have a gentleman I was a mistress to for years.  He still is there for me if I needed it with a phone call. I have not seen this person in over 3 years.  That took years to develop. He knows he can trust me to keep that info in my mind. Its a matter of integrity and good character. Clients probably should vet the provider a bit more, perhaps spend more time observing her behaviors, reviews, etc... judge the quality of character she is and then proceed.

If we should only engage providers if we're willing to fork over personal information, and vice versa, then are you telling consenting adults that they shouldn't take a risk they judge to be worth taking?

And if all P4P must be preceded by the exchange of personal information in order to build trust, then why not medical information as well? Certainly I'd like to know whether the girl I'm about to go down on is carrying anything (in my civvy life more than one lady has asked for STD screening before we got busy).

And if we should only do this after developing trust, which sounds like a long-term endeavor in your note, how is that different from dating?  

And exactly how would I observe a provider's behavior other than to look at her reviews? And isn't at least the first person in that line of reviews taking a leap of faith? How do you observe someone who has no reviews yet?

I don't claim to have all the answers, but after seeing a few hundred providers I am blessedly free of any calamity. And not once have I divulged personal information. Nor will I. And neither will I ask the lady for her personal information. If the market changes tomorrow and every desirable provider demands personal information, I guess I'll be rubbing one out to porn (whenever I don't have a civvy girlfriend).  

Buen suerte.

rubbing one out, I would just go to the gym or a bar and do the extra work to seduce a civvie girl.  

Nobody should.  Its a complete fallacy that its for the escorts protection.  Its more for blackmail in case you don’t  show up or short the envelope.   It actually makes it less safe for both because now Uncle LEO has better evidence for the prosecution.  

I have never given my personal information for screening and I immediately lose interest in the lady if she insists.  

Do your homework, research her online presence, communicate making sure she's real, professional and well balanced.  
If you're expecting us to be naked and vulnerable, exchange bodily fluids, we're putting our trust in you PRIOR to your arrival. If a guy tries to deviate from my screening it's a big red flag that they won't respect my boundaries behind closed doors.  
Totally your choice, if you know you're not going to do wrong by her, then why do you worry about your personal information being provided? There are many unfortunate incidence of not properly screening that I avoid at all costs.  
My life, safety and peace of mind are priceless to me!

The women who demand personal information will continue to do so.
The men--such as me--who will not divulge such information will continue to refuse.  
We're not going to convince each other.

When screening any person (Regardless why you are screening).........You should never ask for another person's personal info.(State ID &).........Due to Theft Of Idenity. Screening should only be Asking Questions & Using common sense as well as being honest & Etc.  

I had a client who chocked me to within a minute or two of passing out. If i had gotten his real life info he might not have tried. For the moment i am still content with providers references. I had a prospective client who made up emails for provider references. You need to check the references. Always. I have also requested work emails from clients who have no references. I am not trying to be intrusive just safe. Don't get angry at me for that. 99.9% of my clients are safe and 90% are just great! but it only takes one. Stay safe.

That guy needs to be maced. Followed by a serious beat down.
Better luck.

@adelinedare
Gosh I’m so sorry this happened to you!  Be safe!

About 7-8 years ago when I first started in the biz
the very same occurred to me, except he also
robbed me!  

Ever since that scariest encounter  
(1 of a few different alarming scenarios),  
I always check references & if they are
unreferenced then I decline.  

About 75% of inquiries I receive are unverifiable  
unfortunately,  but it’s better to be alive  &  
$-poor than deceased!

Xo Angelina Jones

a sheep humping a wolf.  That's one bad-ass sheep.  

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