I've noticed over the last few months my inquiries such as emails and pm's are not being replied to. A trend perhaps? As a part-time hobbyist(4-5/year), this might be noticeable by the provider..i.e. I won't become a regular, and she takes no effort to reply. Sometimes it's frustrating but it's not like my dick will fall off if I don't see providers every week.
*caution: bitch fest post, kinda*
I post this question because I would classify myself as the occasional hobbyist. I average maybe one session a month. Partly due to budgetary reasons but mostly, my hectic work schedule. And, I tend to see providers I've seen before (70/30 ratio). I attempt to write accurate, fair reviews, but really only submit them once. I don't submit repeat reviews unless something seriously goes awry. Therefore, my last review sometimes can be 6months or more. (because I haven't seen anyone new in that time)
I've been having difficulty getting screened, I think, due to this lack of activity. More than a few providers I have seen have mentioned that they seldom give out references partly because of security reasons.
I have multiple references on Date-Check. I'm whitelisted here. and I (hope) am respectful and cordial in my appointments. I try to be punctual, and follow the rules.
I'm just running reasons through my head as to the difficulty I am encountering. Is it a frequency thing, having recent reviews? Maybe I did something to piss off or rub a provider the wrong way. Or maybe I need to book longer engagements (more $$$). I tend to communicate by email because I seldom have my hobby phone on. Maybe that's it?
I am really reluctant to give out my work info just because of personal security, which many providers do ask for in lieu of current reviews/references....
what say you
Not sure what you might be doing wrong...You seem to be doing everything pretty much textbook..
You seem to also write just fine. So you don't give impression of some ghetto dude who needs to be ignored.
Let me ask you some questions.. What seems to be your success ratio when it comes to screening? Out to 10 dialogs that you are carrying (as the base number) how many times you seem to get through.
If you want, we can do this offline also - over the PM
feels abysmal recently. like maybe 1 out of 7 or 8. but I am not really keeping track.
I'm also thinking about my type (perhaps it's everyone's type) of providers: typically a few of the following traits: size 6 or less, Ds or bigger, latina or caucasion, and blonds.
i tend to book 1-1.5hr appt, and in the 300-600 ballpark.
(no bragging intended) but i'm trim, cleancut and hygenic (almost to a fault). never a no-call-no show.
for example, I have few and far between days off (like today and yesterday). I started reaching out about 6 days ago, but to no avail.
just scratching my head here.
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While I do see a LOT more women than you do each month, I don't review, I don't have whitelists, and I don't give out provider referrals and I seem to have no problems booking with the ladies here.
The one thing I do have, (besides a big mouth here of course) is a P411 account with recent Okays. That seems to get me screened with no further effort on my part. I don't really mind screening, as long as it doesn't require me filling out one of those insipid little forms, but I almost never seem to even be asked past giving my P411 info.
I don't know if P 411 carries the same weight in your neck of the woods, but where I am, which is both Atlanta and Dallas, it seems to be all I need.
Sorry to hear you are having such a tough time, I hope you have better luck in the future.
I am not having his problem. I just called him a twin because of similar hobbying pattern.
I do get turned down time to time based on the reviews I've written. lol.
Or are they just going radio silent? Agree with Curley....your reviews are respectful and you otherwise seem to be doing everything right.
Couple more questions...are you providing references? And are the ladies you contact actually checking your references?
Lets say.. If you blast out 10 emails to women that you found in TER search. And about 50% respond to you, and you actually get a date with 2 of them.. That's not bad actually considering few factors..
Some hookers are not the most organized when it comes to emails. Some really need to hire a screener. Sometimes when their monthly financial goals are met, they don't give a shit to respond to emails. See you later until next time around. Then there are those who are overly anal about their screening, and want your stool sample along with the entire family history of when your ancestors came to the country.
Now, if you are having issues with getting screened, where 90% ladies are actually telling you that you have been denied, or suddenly go silent after you provide your references, then you got some other issue going on there. If its latter one, I may not be able to help you much. For some reason ladies are perceiving you as someone they wouldn't want to hang out with. You might want to ask them whats going on. If its former one, I have some tips..
1. Seek out visiting ladies (if you are already not). They tend to be more organized and are here for short time to make money. They don't want their trip to turn out to be a loss
2. See if you can get screened by agency. I am saying this only because you are not a newbie. Be careful in giving your personal info to agency. Be very careful.
3. If you get feeling that the provider's screening is too onerous, just move on. Sometimes they are just bluffing, sometimes they do screen like they mean it.
Its not a very targeted advice, but the best I could come up with..
suddenly go silent after you provide your references
I am also reluctant to book with agencies. Primarily for the reasons you are implying.
Its not a very targeted advice, but the best I could come up with...
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You don't have to want GFE or write them a romance novel to book an appointment. Business transaction is fine. You also don't need to see multiple girls each month to be screenable. If it's been years since you saw a provider or your references can't remember meeting you, that's where you'll run into a problem.
It sounds like your references maybe are telling them not to see you for some reason. Who knows? If you keep trying, someone will definitely see you, especially since you write reviews. A lot of girls value recieving reviews so try contacting a girl who advertises here on TER
I would estimate that I book with at least 50% of the women I reach out to, probably more like 75%.
Unless they say or do something that really turns me off, I've pretty much already made up my mind that I want to see them before contacting them, and unless I do or say something incredibly stupid before meeting them, I can't imagine any lady NOT wanting to see me. or more accurately not wanting my money. The rest is simply a scheduling matter. sometimes the times just don't work out, or one or both of us leave town. Other than that I just don't seem to have the problems that many of you seem to have.
For the record, I don't have any reviews, whitelists, nor do I even have a job, and haven't had one for over twenty years. If I can get through screening, anyone should.
If you can prove through other ways or means that you are a legit monger.
In my case, writing reviews doesn't really earn me any brownie points lol 
If I send 10 emails out 7 or 8 respond within a day or two. The others get back some time later, sometimes never.
But then it could be that I am picking girls who have recent activities
Contacting through p411 I always get a response back. I can't recall if any girl hasn't responded back unless she's delisted
If a lady doesn't respond back to you, you can contact Gina as she will make sure she does, or get delisted.
Of course I don't really want a lady responding back to me because she was forced to, that's probably not a recipe for a great session. lol
I've noticed over the last few months my inquiries such as emails and pm's are not being replied to. A trend perhaps? As a part-time hobbyist(4-5/year), this might be noticeable by the provider..i.e. I won't become a regular, and she takes no effort to reply. Sometimes it's frustrating but it's not like my dick will fall off if I don't see providers every week.
Try to see different women too so that you have more than 3 girls you can hit up for references .
I have date check white list p411 rs2000.
It also helps if you're born as an asian american ,
we all know asians are the superior chosen race for the hobby.
Lmfao :
...but my "close the deal" ratio is 100%. No p411, no reviews posted here (for like 3000 different reasons), no whitelisting, just me and the dozens of women I've seen, most of whom are happy to say a few nice things about me when contacted.
My only tip: To get over the hump with the first few in particular, don't hold back on the personal info. Make sure you're dealing with a lady who's been on TER for awhile who has good reviews--maybe back-channel a bit for confirmation. And then, painful as it may be, disclose, disclose, disclose. Personal info, including work details. If you have the slightest bit of a "presence" on the 'net (NOT your Facebook account--something more like a listing of your name, or better still, your picture, even it's for something silly, like you coming in 3rd place in your local bowling league), mention it in your email, and provide a link.
Also, mention in that intro email why you chose to get in touch with that particular provider--you can get a little gooey/silly here ("Even from your brief bio on your website, you seem like someone who is truly empathetic," etc). This makes the young lady feel as if you think of her as a person and not some commoditized, objectified piece of meat.
When I've bothered to ask a girl, "How did you know I was ok?", I'm told either "your references checked out," or "I didn't bother to check your references--you seemed ok, and I just went with my gut.".
If at all possible, go to M&Gs. These provide an automatic method for both sides to check out the other. Generally speaking, an outreach email to set up an appointment, sent within a day or two after the M&G (before she totally forgets your face/name) will see you through without any additional screening.
Just treat it like a business, in a way. Your intro emails are like cold-calling. Your post M&G emails are followups ("It was nice to meet you Thursday night. You might recall we talked about how we had both recently gone skiing in Colorado, and are big fans of "Justified")...stuff like that establishes a personal connection immediately.
Don't know what else to suggest, m'friend. You write well enough, it appears. Keep plugging away, and after successful first dates, make sure the girl knows you may be using her as a reference (some girls seem to prefer that you tell them in advance that you might be looking for that extra bit of help from them). Beyond that, I think you're just the target of some unfortunate streak of bad luck.
Cheer up, and redouble your efforts--I'm sure you'll do fine in the long run.
Don't get me wrong I appreciate all the legit reviews that other members have written, well except for the meaningless 10/10 reviews given to members of the OTHFBC, but I have had no problems securing "dates" for pay without them either.
Some girls demand a handle though.
Confuses me cuz all they will see are my rants, drivvels, and posts flaming trolls like AF and RT and RT.
..is a far different thing than disclosing to you so that you have that much more material to whack off to.
Asshole
not to sound flippant...
my initial post wasn't meant as an lament, but rather a head scratcher. I don't mean to don my tin-foil hat, but I prefer my anonymity; ESPECIALLY with regards to this "hobby". I'm not disclosing much of anything. Small talk is fine, but providers don't need my life story anymore I want theirs.
I've never been much for sugar-coating (maybe THAT'S my issue). Providers MUST realize that there is a fair amount of objectification going on right? Just like I accept that probably most providers see me as an ATM. It's quid pro quo. And I'm OK with that. Or is perception, reality here??? (probably another topic in of itself)
Or maybe it's simply a seller's market (with regards to my physical tastes) and I'm just passed over for a bigger fish....
You say some of the providers you've seen seldom give out references, but seldom is not never. If I were you, I would talk to your most recent ones, explain your situation, and ask them directly if you can use them as a reference.
Us ladies have had problems with people whose last reference is from a year ago. Clients can change for better or worse, and it can be really hard to vouch for someone's character when you barely remember them.
Finally, my guess is some of it has to do with your location (looks like, based on reviews, you're in DC). I know DC has been a bit of a hotbed for flakes and fakers (at least to us who travel there) so ladies may be feeling the need to step up their screening.
I doubt it's anything personal. But the only way you'll know is to, again, reach out and ask directly if you can use a provider as a reference.
These girls your seeing repeatedly should be more reference friendly. That's terrible they aren't. As long as they do their research, and you do yours, reputable ladies will give you a reference.
I post this question because I would classify myself as the occasional hobbyist. I average maybe one session a month. Partly due to budgetary reasons but mostly, my hectic work schedule. And, I tend to see providers I've seen before (70/30 ratio). I attempt to write accurate, fair reviews, but really only submit them once. I don't submit repeat reviews unless something seriously goes awry. Therefore, my last review sometimes can be 6months or more. (because I haven't seen anyone new in that time)
I've been having difficulty getting screened, I think, due to this lack of activity. More than a few providers I have seen have mentioned that they seldom give out references partly because of security reasons.
I have multiple references on Date-Check. I'm whitelisted here. and I (hope) am respectful and cordial in my appointments. I try to be punctual, and follow the rules.
I'm just running reasons through my head as to the difficulty I am encountering. Is it a frequency thing, having recent reviews? Maybe I did something to piss off or rub a provider the wrong way. Or maybe I need to book longer engagements (more $$$). I tend to communicate by email because I seldom have my hobby phone on. Maybe that's it?
I am really reluctant to give out my work info just because of personal security, which many providers do ask for in lieu of current reviews/references....
what say you?
There are always going to be some queries that get no response, but your ratio seems high.
The one time I really had a problem with screening was when, after a couple of months hiatus, I sent out a dozen or so emails to various women and gave the same two or three most-recent references.
I found out what went down. The references were getting calls or emails from several women all on the same day, and were alerting the screeners that I was shopping around. This sort of soured the game for me.
My style has changed. I basically see the same women for several months or several sessions in a row. When I DO spot someone new, it's someone I really want to meet and experience, so I only approach one at a time. I can't say I've had any problems lately.
Also, for what it's worth, I find that massage-only listings are slightly more problematic. I don't know why.
I have regulars but i dont get that many calls. Any suggestions?
I haven't found too much of a problem finding providers, several of the best that I've seen had decent TER reviews
Without knowing the data, I'd have thought that was probably close to the average (that's about my average), though yes, I know there are a lot of high volume guys here.