Goofball! Where you advertise does not make you better than the next, though some seem to be deluded into thinking it does. Yes, certain advertising venues have a bad reputation for rip offs and bait and switch, but assuming those same women can't advertise on ANY site, is very naive.
There are actually some hotter looking, younger, thinner, and more intelligent women on BP in certain cities, than the "acclaimed" HDH, who has substance abuse problems and never finished high school. Don't get caught up in the packaging, because many times that is ALL it is.
We have seen our share of women who come on TER and preach about how much better they are because they are "courtesans" and not "escorts." Most laugh them off after looking at their "average" reviews, and put them in their place. I don't care what price tag you put on your ass, you are still selling it!
If you have to delude yourself into thinking you're a better kind of hooker just to be ok with what you do, maybe it's time for a new gig. Just sayin.
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A UTR provider might have an account on here but not have it linked to any profile. Also, I'm sure UTR providers lurk here without posting (and obviously wouldn't answer).
I am sure that there are providers who are able to get out of bed in the morning because they say to themselves, "I may fuck guys for money, but at least I don't advertise on Backpage."
Similarly, there are probably guys who feel good about themselves because they only bone high-class courtesans and not Backpage girls.
Hey...whatever lets them look in the mirror without slitting their wrists lol. Many guys will ONLY see the highest priced provider in whatever town they visit, so if you're the only HDH in that area, you have your niche market. It's not because that person is any better or prettier than the next, but the egos of some men are what makes them that money. I've seen in time and again.
Some men feel better about themselves to know they can buy the highest priced ass on the market, as if they were buying a car or expensive meal. On that same token, many women market themselves to that type of client but very few can do so for a long time if this is their only source of income. That's when you see the rates dropping and the specials starting.
Again, it's all in the packaging. You can put a thousand dollar wrapper around a cheeseburger, but it's still a cheeseburger at the end of the day. There is absolutely NOTHING that makes rates and sexual skill one in the same...nothing. You can find a girl at the truck stop who will blow your mind for 50 bucks, but most guys spending the big bucks are concerned with so many other things that are not sexually based.
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I agree with you 100%, London. And many guys have a taste for McDonald's cheeseburgers. Why should they pay for an extra $1000 worth of marketing?
Look in the mirror without slitting their wrists...wow, let's hope not.
Sorry, off subject, just sayin.
You took the words right out of my mouth lol.
Highly defensive hooker ? Never met one in person .
Humongous derriere hooker ? Never booked one on purpose .
Habitually dizzy hooker ? My favorite .
Her Divine Holiness ? True GFE , loves her ass kissed .
Posted By: London Rayne
Goofball! Where you advertise does not make you better than the next, though some seem to be deluded into thinking it does. Yes, certain advertising venues have a bad reputation for rip offs and bait and switch, but assuming those same women can't advertise on ANY site, is very naive.
There are actually some hotter looking, younger, thinner, and more intelligent women on BP in certain cities, than the "acclaimed" HDH, who has substance abuse problems and never finished high school. Don't get caught up in the packaging, because many times that is ALL it is.
We have seen our share of women who come on TER and preach about how much better they are because they are "courtesans" and not "escorts." Most laugh them off after looking at their "average" reviews, and put them in their place. I don't care what price tag you put on your ass, you are still selling it!
If you have to delude yourself into thinking you're a better kind of hooker just to be ok with what you do, maybe it's time for a new gig. Just sayin.
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Just curious LOL
Posted By: DerrBl
Providers:
If you are you UTR, a porn star or have developed a "high class" persona through marketing, do you consider yourself better than women who work through agencies or advertise on Eros or BP? If you advertise on BP, do you somehow consider yourself socially inferior to providers who advertise as high-class courtesans?
Hobbyists:
Do you feel a similar sense of superiority or inferiority depending on the type of provider you see?
Obviously, what ever you do works for you. I think that it's entirely possible that other things may work very well for other people even if they wouldn't work for you.
Personally, I find it fascinating that there is so much judgment on a discussion board where people either pay women to fuck them or accept money for sex. I don't think that price point or marketing campaigns make much of a difference in this quagmire of a hobby.
Thoughts?
I'm sure there is the stratification you mention. Certainly there is among categories of sex workers like strippers, dommes and providers. And definitely many TER girls look down on BP girls. Then there are the really high-end UTRs who only see the highest of high-rollers. It's like the rest of life, far too many people need to have someone to look down on.
As a male player in this game I don't look down on anyone for the choices they make and frequently rail against those who judge the behavior and preferences of others, as if there was only one way to swing. I only judge those who prey on the underage or force themselves on others in non-consensual or coerced sex of any kind.
The only ones I look down on are jerks who don't know how to play this game right, get burned and then whine about it. Them, and their female counterparts who manipulate and out guys simply for a bad review. But they are easy to avoid.
What is a Bad man, but a good Man's job.
Posted By: inicky46
I'm sure there is the stratification you mention. Certainly there is among categories of sex workers like strippers, dommes and providers. And definitely many TER girls look down on BP girls. Then there are the really high-end UTRs who only see the highest of high-rollers. It's like the rest of life, far too many people need to have someone to look down on.
As a male player in this game I don't look down on anyone for the choices they make and frequently rail against those who judge the behavior and preferences of others, as if there was only one way to swing. I only judge those who prey on the underage or force themselves on others in non-consensual or coerced sex of any kind.
The only ones I look down on are jerks who don't know how to play this game right, get burned and then whine about it. Them, and their female counterparts who manipulate and out guys simply for a bad review. But they are easy to avoid.
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As a hobbyist, I've had providers, from a variety of price points, VIP's, UTR, EROS,BP, RS2K, P411, etc.... and I've been doing this for a while. I've had great times with most of the Ladies albeit there have been a few that...... were not that good.
That being said, I do not feel a sense of Superiority based on the type of women I see.
Not every provider out there is for me, so I need to look around and see who fits.
I just like to have Fun.
I Agree there is too much, let alone any, personal, judgement passed along.
Why can't we just get along.....already!!!
Posted By: DerrBl
Providers:
If you are you UTR, a porn star or have developed a "high class" persona through marketing, do you consider yourself better than women who work through agencies or advertise on Eros or BP? If you advertise on BP, do you somehow consider yourself socially inferior to providers who advertise as high-class courtesans?
Hobbyists:
Do you feel a similar sense of superiority or inferiority depending on the type of provider you see?
Obviously, what ever you do works for you. I think that it's entirely possible that other things may work very well for other people even if they wouldn't work for you.
Personally, I find it fascinating that there is so much judgment on a discussion board where people either pay women to fuck them or accept money for sex. I don't think that price point or marketing campaigns make much of a difference in this quagmire of a hobby.
Thoughts?
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And.... They're all back.
there is and always will be stratification in this hobby..from the $100 BP girl to the 2k porn star and everything in between..i make it a point to try and sample them all..you can only quantify stratification when you see every level of it..
I weight every girl on her merits. There are many BP providers who will do things that some high end providers won't. I shop in my price range. Would I like to see some high end providers or porn stars....sure. Would it make me feel superior....hell no, it would make me feel lucky
After so many years fucking around with P4P I doubt I haven't seen every "type" of hooker imaginable.
Honestly London hit on many of the fallacies of the HDH group...not to mention the UTR hookers. Courtesans...just another label to quantify P4P. Some are worth an extra couple of bucks...however in the end it's still only a "pop".
But for those who haven't played on the high end of this game they look longingly at what they perceive they are missing. The reality is it's the same as buying a car. They all do the exact same thing...just that it's packaged differently to give the illusion that somehow it's different.
After years of sampling I'll stick to the hookers that actually seem to give a shit about what they are doing and care about the johns they service. Not those that need a mirror or 10/10's to feel they are worthwhile. Let alone try and fleece the johns for every nickel they had...or have?
Posted By: macdaddy1944
there is and always will be stratification in this hobby..from the $100 BP girl to the 2k porn star and everything in between..i make it a point to try and sample them all..you can only quantify stratification when you see every level of it..
All individuals are unique, and the pleasure (or lack thereof) I take from each are a result of that individual's interaction with me.
The rest is fog.
You're going to have stratification in any group. It's human nature.
I do have some regular or repeat client whom will actually mention they don't like me usin be if and when I occasionally do. They l say or mention not to go back to usin bp.
However . The one thing I like about no is ok you get dressed get ready , post and calls come in you take one .
On here it's great but it's not really when you want to or instantaneous appt. it s like a slow trickle of random calls thru week ore booked way in advance dates. I can't post on here avl. Now. And get an appt procured in an hour if in. Mood and dead set on doin an appt say within few hours.
I think no is good for if you just decide you want an appt at that time.
And again waitin til your in mood to work or need to work whichever then attempting to email bak all the inquiries that have rolled in in past two months lookin to book who, you still haven't had time to book.
That's always time consuming and like tryn to find. Needle in a haystack.
Chances are none them will be av
When you randomly decide at three I after noon you d love an appt n need some cash.
One thing I did like about the bp was I d just post do calls, shut phone off, now I get a boat load of inquiries and have to emAil them back whe. I am ready n by then schedules aren't linin up.
I think Bo is simply a good for getn apps when your in the mood or immediately, as opposed to all the call. People back bookin scheduling chaos. I don't know, if that'll make sense to you. Butt
You may have to charge less but they ate less demanding , the more you raise the erases Ann's higher you go the more you have. To do, I at one point was charging seven fifty and doin two hour min only, but I had to back it up and be ready to do Greek pse and a lot more hard core stuff to maintain ands get the crowd, me personally I dolntt know what any one else's experience is, I notice on bp yes you may have to ask for two fifty hour but they are all low,ain't enemy's and don't expect a lot and are like ten min little to no energy dates, I don't make any more now than the Bp days it all balance out, for example I did a session for five Hun sun afternoon, but would I ever have had time or energy to do another after god no, or even today for that matter I couldn't, maybe I make more now per guest but the anti is raise d and I am doing a hell lot more, duck I plowed that guys ass with my strap on with his heavy legs pinned like bunny ears behind his head til my hips were gonna snap off,, xoxox
Those bp guys who pay two fifty and hour also don't stay more than ten min they don't even stick around to talk, thee guys whom review on here wanna get the full hour no breaks , then try n stay to talk,
It's all averages out maybe the bp way you gotta see three guys and. Work total of forty min altogether to get the seven fifty. On here any one I did a seven fifty session with it was the same amount of work
The point I was tryn to get across of my opinion of bp vs here was just that it all balances out the same to me at end of day so I don't feel. I am any higher or lower usin a high end site vs bp. For me I make the same in either area so for mew I don't look at one or other as higher end or above the other
What I am thinkn, oh well. Tryn to say the guys in bp I notice yes they paid more but they were low maintenance too sometime, they don't have enough for seven fifty hour pse, but they also aren't lookin for that n don't require much energy.
.She said some of her Johns stick their nose in her business , advising her don't advertise on BP .
TER is good except TER mongers normally plan ahead , not usually in a spontaneous mood like most BP patrons .
Some days she's not sure if she wants to work until late afternoon . If she decides to work she'll
post a BP ad , take a nap , wake up ,reply to a few , make some fast cash .
Posted By: angelexotic
I do have some regular or repeat client whom will actually mention they don't like me usin be if and when I occasionally do. They l say or mention not to go back to usin bp.
However . The one thing I like about no is ok you get dressed get ready , post and calls come in you take one .
On here it's great but it's not really when you want to or instantaneous appt. it s like a slow trickle of random calls thru week ore booked way in advance dates. I can't post on here avl. Now. And get an appt procured in an hour if in. Mood and dead set on doin an appt say within few hours.
I think no is good for if you just decide you want an appt at that time.
And again waitin til your in mood to work or need to work whichever then attempting to email bak all the inquiries that have rolled in in past two months lookin to book who, you still haven't had time to book.
That's always time consuming and like tryn to find. Needle in a haystack.
Chances are none them will be av
When you randomly decide at three I after noon you d love an appt n need some cash.
One thing I did like about the bp was I d just post do calls, shut phone off, now I get a boat load of inquiries and have to emAil them back whe. I am ready n by then schedules aren't linin up.
I think Bo is simply a good for getn apps when your in the mood or immediately, as opposed to all the call. People back bookin scheduling chaos. I don't know, if that'll make sense to you. Butt
You totally got it. That's the short to the point summary. Thank you
I have to say that I have never felt a sense of superiority- only a sense of increased safety and security (rightly or wrongly).
I know that the ladies who worked for the agencies where I used to live made so much more money than I did, as did the online ladies, but there was no way in hell I would have been that high volume. I engineered my work life so that I could be as UTR as possible while still having my alter-life. That meant being super high dollar and extremely low volume, while screening to the teeth. For whatever it was worth (and probably not a whole lot now that I'm Sarah and also have this perspective) I felt more safe working that way.
Now I am an average bear in the average world and have also this experience to learn from. I don't feel inferior in the least.
I don't think that price point or marketing campaigns make much of a difference in this quagmire of a hobby.
Here is where we differ: I don't feel that this is a "quagmire" by any stretch of the imagination. It's a paradise in many ways for me (a la Milton), and certainly a playground for many of you. It's a beautiful thing that can and does happen no matter what, and fortunately 99% of my experiences have been beautiful. Some more than others, of course.
But while cars / cheeseburgers may all be transportation / [perhaps] food, you can't lump them all together like that. And it isn't always a guy's ego that makes him buy a Volvo over a Yugo, or drive his Volvo instead of taking the city bus or riding a roller-coaster at Disney. We all partake of different things at different times for different reasons. Most of us have had a big mac and loved it, and most of us have also tried a delicious gourmet burger and loved that too, and you can't argue that there aren't differences. Nobody's going to confuse a big mac with a Kobe beef burger even with the wrapper off. 
McDonald's doesn't (and shouldn't) feel inferior to the Kobe burger joint, nor does it pretend to be the Kobe burger joint. But saying a burger is a burger is a burger is just silly. Not even Donald Thompson would say that, I am certain.
Posted By: mrfisher
I find these distinctions rather meaningless....All individuals are unique, and the pleasure (or lack thereof) I take from each are a result of that individual's interaction with me.
The rest is fog.
[claps hands]
By quagmire, I mean a moral quagmire from the point of view of the non-hobbying world.
Presumably, no one participating in this subculture, which I agree is a paradise, views P4P as a moral quagmire. Of course, that's not true, and the ones who have to convince themselves (and others) that they are superior because they occupy what they perceive to be a higher caste of hobbyist or provider are the ones who probably have the most difficult time rationalizing what they see as a moral quagmire.
those who, in spite of being here and part of this, still feel that they are doing something wrong or dirty may try to make themselves feel better by distancing themselves from others via charging higher rates or being willing to pay them?
Perhaps you're right for some- that makes perfect sense. But I also think you can't say that for everyone (and you probably agree).
What I find objectionable is how some people wish to make others feel bad to make themselves feel better regardless of the foundations from which they do this: a lady putting down other ladies who might be older or weigh more or advertise on back page or charge less, or a client putting down ladies who might be older or weigh more or advertise as "high end" or charge more, or putting down clients who may pay more or seek a more intimate experience than an in-and-out. (couldn't resist the pun. lol!!)
Sarah, you and I are on the same page. I believe that some people solve the moral dilemma of participating in P4P by viewing themselves as superior to others.
I view this discussion as an extension of the thread I started a few days ago in which I defended quickies with BP girls.
we all do the same thing at different price points. Personally I don't feel superior at all. I do feel for those ladies who, for what ever reason, end up seeing men who disrespect them, that can come at any price.
