I am looking for your opinion on this. I have been wondering about for the past couple months.
A little background information for you, so you know what I am talking about. I have been seeing this thirty something lady for the past six months now. Every date is for two hours plus a shower. One of the dates was for four hours plus dinner. She drives over two hours to come and see me. I do give her extra money for gas. Her fee is under four bills so she does not charge a lot for her services. I also would like you to know that I think she is no longer taking new clients. Because her P411 account is no longer active, plus her web site is down also.
My question to you is this. Do you think that she likes my company? Is it possible that the white envelope is just a bonus for her?
This is not a question about if I want to make more out of this, or if I should date her or try not to give her any money. I am perfect happy the way things are with us. I just would like to know if maybe she likes to spend time with me.
I thought I would post this and see what all of you think about this. Is it possible for a provider to like to send time with a client and the money is more of a bonus for time spent with somebody
Just not sure on how I should start this conversation with her. Or if would totally believe her because of the money that I give her. She could be just telling what she thinks I want to hear.
I will take your thread with much more seriousness if you can admit you are in love with this hooker.
Am I close? LOL
I am not in love with her. I just like to spend time with her. I do not want anything more then what we already have.
It sure seems to me that you do want more. Otherwise why care about if she only sees the money as some type of bonus.
Just ask her if she wants to see you for free. But be prepared to get the real her. You may not really like that.
Just simple wonderment on my part nothing more. If she decide to move on with her life it would not be a big deal to me. She is sweet lady to be around and we have a lot fun together. If it would end tomorrow so be it no lost on my part.
That's a pretty good indication you have feelings. You don't want to say "love", I won't quibble.
How about a very serious case of "the likes?" LOL
Don't worry, it will be good ol' Jack waiting here when you have fallen for your hooker and you find out she is still fking other dudes.
I'll pick you up, dust you off, and throw you into some sex workers arms. You'll be fine. LOL
Of course I like her if I didn't like her I would stop seeing her. She is a fun person to be around. Who doesn't like to be around a nice, friendly, awesome person.
As for love no. To strong of a word for this relationship.
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.that is the crux of his post. What is pathetic is that he is asking all of "us" for answers. Actually that is the crux of his post.
Can't believe any man would be happy with his woman doing this I know mine isn't. He didn't meet me doing this and actually I have a retirement date within the next 10 months or else he's gone. Can't imagine a woman that does this that has a SO and it doesn't fuck with her head over and over and over. I just can't phantom that. However, one must live and let live and if she could commit to you and only you then I wish you the best of luck in the world. Having something real with someone is beautiful.
Does it fuck with your head Roxanne? I read your 2016 menu and you just want to be nastier than ever before. so when you are on your knees looking up at your client as hes fucking your pretty face and he cums in your mouth and on your face and you are loving every minute of it, are you really thinking about your man waiting for you at home. You say he took your virginity just over a year ago and a few months later you are a provider. Sounds like you want your cake and eat it to. You like having your SO but you also love being able to enjoy banging other men also. I'm just saying.
Not sure if I would word it exactly the way he does. 
I mean there are more tactful ways of asking that question. LOL.
But the crux of his question is legit. And I'd be curious to know the answer.
I am sorry Roxy but your man sounds more like a parent.
Why limit yourself to that type of relationship?
It will just lead to you resenting him later on in the future.
So yes this is your job but I am sure reading your comments and reviews.
You love it too!
Posted By: RoxanneHeartNYC
Can't believe any man would be happy with his woman doing this I know mine isn't. He didn't meet me doing this and actually I have a retirement date within the next 10 months or else he's gone. Can't imagine a woman that does this that has a SO and it doesn't fuck with her head over and over and over. I just can't phantom that. However, one must live and let live and if she could commit to you and only you then I wish you the best of luck in the world. Having something real with someone is beautiful.
Posted By: RoxanneHeartNYC
Enjoying what you do.
I know you think this guy is special. But just like with chicks ... men will come and go.
What if you don't find a career as satisfying to you as this one?
Do you know what young hookers do with those?
you made me laugh out loud
Maybe she just got an inheritance?
If not, she's looking for money. This is her way of paying her bills. You're the payer.
Some providers absolutely enjoy spending OTC time with clients. But not at the expense of her or her family.
Posted By: nobody305
I am looking for your opinion on this. I have been wondering about for the past couple months.
A little background information for you, so you know what I am talking about. I have been seeing this thirty something lady for the past six months now. Every date is for two hours plus a shower. One of the dates was for four hours plus dinner. She drives over two hours to come and see me. I do give her extra money for gas. Her fee is under four bills so she does not charge a lot for her services. I also would like you to know that I think she is no longer taking new clients. Because her P411 account is no longer active, plus her web site is down also.
My question to you is this. Do you think that she likes my company? Is it possible that the white envelope is just a bonus for her?
This is not a question about if I want to make more out of this, or if I should date her or try not to give her any money. I am perfect happy the way things are with us. I just would like to know if maybe she likes to spend time with me.
I thought I would post this and see what all of you think about this. Is it possible for a provider to like to send time with a client and the money is more of a bonus for time spent with somebody?
I totally agree with you that is why I pay her to come and see me. I would not expect any less from her.
I can't speak for this lady...maybe you could ask her....if she really likes your company and the fact she gets paid to be there is a bonus.
Yes, I think she likes you. How much, who knows - she may not even know. I think money is what men bring to any relationship whether the woman needs it or not. I could be wrong about that but I don't think so. But I'm sure the thrill is also soon gone in a relationship with a husband who stops contributing financially.
I don't mind 'being loved for my money' lol As long as a woman has what I want and I have what she wants then that makes it a whole lot easier to overlook the other stuff that always needs overlooking on both sides of the equation. And at least for me, it's not what two people see in each other that make a relationship work - it's what they're willing to overlook.
Six months is longer than a lot of marriages last. That's time to put down a few roots with a person; it feels nice. And if it continues and you're happy,fantastic. If it ends tomorrow just be glad it happened in the first place (or fatten the envelope and get back in there lol)
Just as I expected!
Steph xoxo
there are a lot of gentlemen that i enjoy to be with and envelop is a bonus and also a way for me to make sure that if gentleman stops seeing me i do not feel like i just got used and dumped
You do give me a good business idea, though. I think I can market and sell "break up" insurance.
For the low, low premium of ... whatever your sugar daddy pays you, you can take out a policy with me that you can cash out in the case of the relationship ending.
That way you can avoid the feeling of being used, while simultaneously avoiding intimacy and thus ensuring that being used will be the only likely outcome! It's a win-win. He gets to use you. You get reimbursement.
I'm going to sell a ton of these things.
i do not have a sugar daddy,
i only had one during the summer, he was only giving me 3k a month, that i can make in 2 days as a provider if i want to...
my comment in this thread was mostly referring to my p4p dates
it is a good business idea though
Posted By: some-guy
You do give me a good business idea, though. I think I can market and sell "break up" insurance.
For the low, low premium of ... whatever your sugar daddy pays you, you can take out a policy with me that you can cash out in the case of the relationship ending.
That way you can avoid the feeling of being used, while simultaneously avoiding intimacy and thus ensuring that being used will be the only likely outcome!
It's a win-win. He gets to use you. You get reimbursement.
I'm going to sell a ton of these things.
... So I'm just going to nod my head and go along with whatever you say.
Like the good white knight that I am (I'm chivalrous that way).
I would never insult you with a low-ball offer like 3K btw. What is wrong with these cheapskates in Boston? I only pay mine $2K, because I know that she knows that I know ... she LIKES the sex. If she had just played it cool, she could have held out for for a lot more. She never learned the art of negotiation.
Posted By: octavia.lexa
i do not have a sugar daddy,
i only had one during the summer, he was only giving me 3k a month, that i can make in 2 days as a provider if i want to...
my comment in this thread was mostly referring to my p4p dates
it is a good business idea though
Posted By: some-guy
You do give me a good business idea, though. I think I can market and sell "break up" insurance.
For the low, low premium of ... whatever your sugar daddy pays you, you can take out a policy with me that you can cash out in the case of the relationship ending.
That way you can avoid the feeling of being used, while simultaneously avoiding intimacy and thus ensuring that being used will be the only likely outcome!
It's a win-win. He gets to use you. You get reimbursement.
I'm going to sell a ton of these things.
Only she knows for sure on how she feels about driving two hours to spend two hours with me then drive home for two hours. So for total of six hours of her time just to come and see little old me. I guess that is my answer.
Stop the money. I suspect you will find that when the money stops she will stop coming.
Posted By: nobody305
I am looking for your opinion on this. I have been wondering about for the past couple months.
A little background information for you, so you know what I am talking about. I have been seeing this thirty something lady for the past six months now. Every date is for two hours plus a shower. One of the dates was for four hours plus dinner. She drives over two hours to come and see me. I do give her extra money for gas. Her fee is under four bills so she does not charge a lot for her services. I also would like you to know that I think she is no longer taking new clients. Because her P411 account is no longer active, plus her web site is down also.
My question to you is this. Do you think that she likes my company? Is it possible that the white envelope is just a bonus for her?
This is not a question about if I want to make more out of this, or if I should date her or try not to give her any money. I am perfect happy the way things are with us. I just would like to know if maybe she likes to spend time with me.
I thought I would post this and see what all of you think about this. Is it possible for a provider to like to send time with a client and the money is more of a bonus for time spent with somebody?
How true that is. I know that also. Her time is valuable to her and I don't have a problem paying her for her time. If she like me a little and the money is just a bonus to her I am good with that also
She obviously likes you. Don't screw it up by making any pronouncements of marriage, bfgf, free services, or the like. If she wants to make a pronouncement herself, then it's okay to take it a step further. But a more likely scenario, one that happens 99% of the time here, is that one day you'll stop seeing each other. Until that day cums, enjoy yourself
I know how lucky I am to have found her. Until the day it does stop I will keep it as it always been. Two people who enjoys each other company nothing more. Because I am not looking for anything more from her so it easy for me to do.
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your current favorite lady is about to leave this industry. She is no longer interested in seeing any new guys (website down, etc.) so you and other previous clients are her sole income source for now. Could she be finishing up a degree and then off to the RW?
We don't talk to much when we are together. We are way too busy having fun to talk about her life or my life.
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I hate to be the one to break this to you. You might want to sit down for this.
But it's on the wall. Under your nose. She doesn't have any feelings for you, dude.
Now on the bright side, I would give it a greater than 50% chance that she likes fucking you. Otherwise, I highly doubt she would travel 2 hours ... just for the honor of collecting 4 big bills. So you can go to bed tonight knowing she "probably" likes your dick. That's the silver lining.
But does she have a thing for you, as in feelings? That would be a big noooooooooo. When a chick likes you, she shares shit with you. Whether you want her to or not.
Posted By: nobody305
We don't talk to much when we are together. We are way too busy having fun to talk about her life or my life.
-- Modified on 12/29/2015 9:34:55 PM
She must think you're a safe client and you pay some of her bills. You obviously don't do anything to annoy her, as she keeps seeing you even though it's rather inconvenient for her to do so.
And nothing more.
How do I know? Because you've been seeing her for 6 months for 2-4 hours at a time, and at least one date was over dinner, and you "don't talk much when we are together." That tells me she's not particularly interested in you, beyond an income stream. And you've shown very little interest in her as a person, so why should she particularly like you, beyond her love of your steady, safe business?
There's a few providers I know, two in particular, who I think really like me as a person and enjoy spending time with me beyond my being a safe, regular income stream. I know that because when I see them, including OTC time, they seem to enjoy talking with me on a range of subjects including our respective lives. So I know a LOT of details about them... and they know a lot about me. We've shown a genuine interest in each other as people.
As others have said, you have a good deal going here, so no need to think about how much she likes you. Just enjoy it for what it is: a good business relationship for both of you.
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True I totally agree with you on this thank you for your insight on this matter.
Believe me when I say this I know more about her then you may think I do.
pretty lame answers to your straightforward question.
Here's hopefully a much more useful one.
If it's true what you said and you can verify it that her P411 account is no longer active, her website is down AND you tried but could not find her advertising anywhere else then it's a very strong possibility that she retired for real from active providing to the general public and that she's now only doing it with you (only) or a few long-time trusted regulars like you.
The reasons could be many but I wouldn't overthink too much about it. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth and enjoy it with no expectation. It's very important to NOT expect that it will last forever and she will NOT one day suddenly disappear.
If you're shy or not too sure how to approach it just push the boundaries and take it a little further SLOWLY to see where it leads.
Push the boundaries on time. Push the boundaries on service. Stay in touch more often.
Yes it is entire POSSIBLE she enjoys your company (or a few select regulars) and the money is still NEEDED but not overwhelming reason. Maybe your four bills are enough to keep her afloat a week and she has other incomes (a real job? inheritance? stock profit? a few more regulars?) to augment that. And that she has decided she's happy enough with this level of standard of living so why not enjoy good time with some nice guys.
I would NOT try to not pay her unless she makes it very clear she does not want to accept your money.
Just SLOWLY take it further and further and see where it leads you. Somewhere along the line you WILL FIND your answer.
You're having a good thing and you're doing the right things not trying to escalate emotional involvement.
It sounds to me like you just might have found your holy-grail FWB. That is, Friend With Benefits
This is the answer I was looking for. Yes I am pretty sure she is not advertising herself anywhere else, unless she is using a different name and number. Yes her web site is down and P411 account is not active anymore its been down for a few months now. I am sure I am not the only guy that she is still seeing, but if I am even better for me I guess.
I have offer her to spend the night because it is late when we get done. I only asked her this the last time we were together, and her answer was not tonight maybe next time. She sometimes does stay a little longer then the two hours all depends on the night is going.
Just to be clear I will not push anything with her. I got a good thing here and I am going to try and keep it going with her. Plus I do respect her way to much to try and push for extra time with her.
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If you're happy with the status quo by all mean... OTH I was only suggesting "pushing boundaries" if you would like to test to see how far she would go. It doesn't have to be pushy and rude the way it sounds, I've done it but in very nice and respectful way. And I certainly had no problem taking no for answer.
Listen to all those simpletons who thought I suggested literally "raping" the woman! Of course it's because they're redneck hillbillies who have neither game nor sophistication.
"Push boundaries on time, push boundaries on service"??? He said he wanted to keep seeing her. If *I* decide to stretch the time, it's *MY* choice, same with extra communication. The ladies I know in the biz do not like that kind of pressure and shut it down.
I seem to be doing something right here and I say it's the ladies call. I have gentlemen friends that I cherish as dear friends and look so forward to seeing and being with. These are my special friends and *I* made the decision to let them into my world a bit more. None of them has ever tried to push my boundaries. They like me too much for that.
Steph (sigh)
So very true why should I push for more. When I got all I can handle with her.
If this guy wants under 4 bills cash for great sex, I say don't fuck it up and stay within his boundaries unless she's pulling on his dick for more as he's trying to get out the door. Then go for it. (i.e. if it's her decision.)
Because as we all know, she can shut the door on him anytime she wants. Even if she's seeing him out of desperation, (who wants that anyway?) once she lands a job or meets some awesome guy who pays more - BAM - BYE. LOL.
Def don't fuck it up. Once the bedroom door is between John and Pro, you have to flip that little switch from "fantasy" to "reality". Practice it, it gets easier.
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But not my reminder
Who would ever need to "push" a woman's "anything?"
That's fkin creepy bro and horrific advice. That's the kind of dumbass shit that gets you in a cell with Rocko the room mate.
Be like Mike, not Rocko.
You do have a way with words Jack!
Steph 
Since she's not looking for new clients and just seeing however many she has, it probably means that you're okay with her. For one thing you repeat on a regular basis that she can more or less count on.
And, no, I'm not one of those who assume you're in love. You're happy with her as things stand. I think the Keystone Kid had good advice--look around, because she might soon be gone. Other than that, there's no need for advice and you don't seem to be asking for any.
It is possible for a provider to have some clients she feels comfortable with and whose company they enjoy.
For assurance you might ask yourself things like: Do you two laugh at things together? I don't mean, Does she laugh at your jokes...that is part of the service, but does she laugh with you when you're rushing to get your clothes off and your shoelaces get knotted up?
Or does she add to the conversation when you talk about something that doesn't have anything to do with sex or the hobby? Does she initiate such talks? There's no reason for her to do such as far as conducting a session goes, but it's what people who like each other's company do all the time.
But...don't push her to "take it further."
Posted By: nobody305
Only she knows for sure on how she feels about driving two hours to spend two hours with me then drive home for two hours. So for total of six hours of her time just to come and see little old me --snip--
Note the delusional assumption above: that she's just seeing *you*. Because you're so wonderful. You're still paying this girl to fuck you. It's still P4P. Here's what happened: she's gone UTR with a few regular clients, and you happen to be one of them.
I'm sure she likes you as a client. She drives a long way & spends extra time with you. But your assumption that she only sees "little old you" is ridiculous. She's a call girl, she fucks men for money. Jack & the others are right, you're in love with her. And that's going to become a problem soon. Here's the play: Whether you're seeing an ATF or an SB, always assume two things:
1. She has a BF or SO who doesn't have to pay her anything (unlike you).
2. She's got other paying client(s)/SDs besides you.
I'm sure you'll ignore this post & all the other warnings posted by your TER brothers. You're going to learn the hard way. --
I know that she is seeing other guy beside me, I know I am paying her for sex, I know what you are saying to me to be very true. But when I say that she going to drive to see little old me for the night there is a good chance I am the only guy she is seeing that night.
When the day comes and this ends will I be sad yes I will be, but not for the reason you may think of. Mostly I will miss her because she is great lady to be around. Not because I love her or any other reason. I just like spending time with her even if I have to pay her for her time. So take a long walk off a short pier.
Some of us have been around for a long time. And what's happened to you has happened to many guys before you: a beautiful provider knocks your head off. And you start wondering if she's into you, because you're definitely into her. So you start rationalizing things: She drives so far to see you! She spends extra time with you! She's dropped off P411!
You've posted a dozen times on this thread already. So you're way more invested in this than you're willing to admit. As others have suggested, the reason you started this thread in the first place was to get some affirmation that this is a budding romance. Your TER brothers ridiculed you for it, and now you're backpedaling as fast as you can. --z
to spend time with someone but not be in love with them.
this hobby offers a unique opportunity to do just that. it has built-in boundaries that force you to accept the situation for what it is. I like the fact that I get to see someone for a specific time then we go our separate ways. If I want to see them again soon I can.or, I can wait 6 months if I want.
I've been trying to figure out what my relationship with my ATF is. We like each other a lot; actually we love each other, but we're not IN love with each other. Neither of us wants to be in love with anyone other than our respective SOs. We're friends and do regular stuff together as friends, with no sexual play whatsoever (except Hi and Good Bye hugs), but every so often I see her in her professional capacity and then there's lots of sexual play as one would expect. We share what's going on in our lives with each other and talk about many other subjects. She knows stuff about me that almost no one else knows.
The closest parallel I can come up with is that she's my golfing buddy... but without the golf. I don't play golf. OK, I've played a few times but I really suck at it. But if I had a golfing buddy, as in a really close friend with whom I shared a love of golf, I could see us going out every so often to play 18 holes, and we'd have a great time on the course (let's assume we both love golf). But we'd also talk about what's going on in our lives, and maybe he'd be the kind of close friend who would know more about me than anyone else--even my SO. Then after the round of golf, we'd head to the clubhouse for a beer or three, and talk, watch a game etc. We would get together outside of our golf outings, but it would be just regular kinds of interactions, maybe with our SOs and other friends. But the golf outings would be special.
I suppose to make this a good comparison, I'd have to pay this guy to play golf with me. I'm so bad at golf, that's very possible.
any escort I see but I get what you're saying.
Posted By: Alan_Nimm
I've been trying to figure out what my relationship with my ATF is. We like each other a lot; actually we love each other, but we're not IN love with each other. Neither of us wants to be in love with anyone other than our respective SOs. We're friends and do regular stuff together as friends, with no sexual play whatsoever (except Hi and Good Bye hugs), but every so often I see her in her professional capacity and then there's lots of sexual play as one would expect. We share what's going on in our lives with each other and talk about many other subjects. She knows stuff about me that almost no one else knows.
The closest parallel I can come up with is that she's my golfing buddy... but without the golf. I don't play golf. OK, I've played a few times but I really suck at it. But if I had a golfing buddy, as in a really close friend with whom I shared a love of golf, I could see us going out every so often to play 18 holes, and we'd have a great time on the course (let's assume we both love golf). But we'd also talk about what's going on in our lives, and maybe he'd be the kind of close friend who would know more about me than anyone else--even my SO. Then after the round of golf, we'd head to the clubhouse for a beer or three, and talk, watch a game etc. We would get together outside of our golf outings, but it would be just regular kinds of interactions, maybe with our SOs and other friends. But the golf outings would be special.
I suppose to make this a good comparison, I'd have to pay this guy to play golf with me.
I'm so bad at golf, that's very possible.
was it the guy she did the overnight date with last night?
Take your rosey glasses off and see reality.
You, sir, speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth!! Excellent post!! (We've all been there at some point--and we've all had to learn the hard way!!)
Thank you for all of your inputs I will consider all of them.
Until next time take care
I've been on TER for a while and these kind of threads appear more and more frequently.
WTF?
I'm sure our GA Gambler might have an appropriate comment on the topic.
I suppose it could be explained as a late rush for SPOTY consideration.
Some mope asking the same question. "Is it possible this girl (escort) actually likes me?"
Answer, "yes, because you are paying her to like you. Period"
Get your head out of your ass, Man.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Never ask a question you don't need to ask if you think you may not like the answer.
In other words, enjoy what you have and be grateful for it. You never know how long it may last (Nothing lasts for ever, you know.
See where you stand without money.....Hobbyists going to have BLASTED on PAID time with all sex workers....
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So yes providers are getting paid from this hobby but never forget it's a choice for us hobbyists to pay it too.
It goes both ways.
Posted By: Fancy8888
See where you stand without money.....Hobbyists going to have BLASTED on PAID time with all sex workers....
-- Modified on 12/30/2015 6:20:23 AM
Posted By: bigguy30
So yes providers are getting paid from this hobby but never forget it's a choice for us hobbyists to pay it too.
It goes both ways.
Posted By: Fancy8888
See where you stand without money.....Hobbyists going to have BLASTED on PAID time with all sex workers....
-- Modified on 12/30/2015 6:20:23 AM
Good point both way.
can be yes, she adores your time together but the time would not happen with out the moolah!
Is also important to know if the shower is golden or not. Remember as fascinating as you are, when you are gone it is time too
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