Simple as that. Maybe she found a new arrangement/life situation that didn't have room for your friend. In my case, I've only had one instance of a regular stop seeing me and that's because she quit the biz and got serious with her bf. Go ahead an have that period of mourning, then move on a find someone else. It can sometime take a while to find someone you click with really well, but that's part of the journey. The best thing anyone can do for themselves is to let go of the concept of "The One" and realize that you can cultivate a unique connection with many people over a lifetime.
That's a great post.
I will admit that I like seeing the same people because I am of the mind set the sex gets better on the 2nd 5th or 8th date.
However with that said that's why I am not mutually exclusive to one person.
Posted By: cocktail-party
Simple as that. Maybe she found a new arrangement/life situation that didn't have room for your friend. In my case, I've only had one instance of a regular stop seeing me and that's because she quit the biz and got serious with her bf. Go ahead an have that period of mourning, then move on a find someone else. It can sometime take a while to find someone you click with really well, but that's part of the journey. The best thing anyone can do for themselves is to let go of the concept of "The One" and realize that you can cultivate a unique connection with many people over a lifetime.
Yes, so did I, but I'm still horny and I'm still the one paying. The hard facts are that providers do grow old with all the resulting factors, weight, skin, etc. So I'm moving on.
There will always be greener pastures to plow. 
Posted By: Zak0326
Ladies why at times do you end it with a regular?
Sometimes, when you've known someone for years, they start trying to take advantage or asking for things I won't do. This could be Greek, BBFS, or even just going out with them in public or constant communication.
They might start wanting a romantic relationship.
Or, just like any other non-regular client, they step over the line in some way and get straight to my DNS list.
For me, there are certain transgressions where I absolutely will NOT give that person another chance.
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Constant communication I can definitely understand being a problem.
In your mind when should a client ask you to video record (first thing that came to mind) I would say it's definily ok to say no to that type of a request but would that get you banned?????
Thanks Debbie
Always find your thoughts fascinating .
Enjoy the day.
Zak
Posted By: DebbieNoonerGirl
There will always be greener pastures to plow.
Posted By: Zak0326
Ladies why at times do you end it with a regular?
Sometimes, when you've known someone for years, they start trying to take advantage or asking for things I won't do. This could be Greek, BBFS, or even just going out with them in public or constant communication.
They might start wanting a romantic relationship.
Or, just like any other non-regular client, they step over the line in some way and get straight to my DNS list.
For me, there are certain transgressions where I absolutely will NOT give that person another chance.
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Posted By: Zak0326
In your mind when should a client ask you to video record (first thing that came to mind) I would say it's definily ok to say no to that type of a request but would that get you banned?????
Each lady is different from the next. I am sure there are some who WILL dump a client for asking, no matter how politely or sweetly he phrases it. There are providers who will ban you for asking her if she'd like to grab lunch, drinks, or a cup of coffee.
Because, in their experience, it's either disrespectful or a sign of something they want to avoid.
But for me personally? It all depends on how he asks, whether he acts entitled to it, gets pushy, etc etc etc. Simply asking me, "Hey you wouldn't consider doing a video, would you?" will not get a client dropped.
Saying, "Don't you think it's about time you sent me a video of yourself?" is not the same.
Posted By: Zak0326
Thanks Debbie
Always find your thoughts fascinating .
Thank you. They give most people a headache. LOL.
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Hahaha
Nope, Debbie, I find your answers straight to the point and good common sense.
That's all we can ask from anyone we deal with in any situation
Debra, I was just wondering, how would you characterize your relationship with a regular? Also in the development and evolution of it , what are five indicators that might tell you that it is time for a change or a break from that person? Also how is it , when they start to encroach on other facets of your life? Also how sensitive are you when the needs of the man exceed the boundaries of the relationship? I am thinking when a established relationship starts to go south these are the questions that you start to ask.
Posted By: DebbieNoonerGirl
There will always be greener pastures to plow.
Posted By: Zak0326
Ladies why at times do you end it with a regular?
Sometimes, when you've known someone for years, they start trying to take advantage or asking for things I won't do. This could be Greek, BBFS, or even just going out with them in public or constant communication.
They might start wanting a romantic relationship.
Or, just like any other non-regular client, they step over the line in some way and get straight to my DNS list.
For me, there are certain transgressions where I absolutely will NOT give that person another chance.
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..Perhaps they should put that effort into civvie girls if they want something more (like as you say a romantic relationship), which is something that a provider is not so quick to agreement (even over a long period of time), especially without a payment and a possible DNS in the future when crossing the line
On another note, I’ve heard the general platitudes on guys who quip that you pay both ways to get love with either a civvie or a provider, but all those extras (however little), including expressed affection with the potential towards loyalty is something that does not come with an upfront payment with civvies, but not the case with many providers.
In some underhanded way, thanks for your perspective and remaining true to your profession.
But for those guys that lose sight of it, perhaps better to use a provider’s love as a stepping stone to build confidence in what it feels like to have sex with a woman and then seek a sincere and compatible partner, even in the face rejection and effort put forth (great sex or not), then measure the trade-offs. Otherwise, too much comfort in instant gratification that comes with a provider can lead to more of the same; money first; pleasure second. If it gets old after awhile but guys are comfortable with more of the same with the next provider, then so be it. If not, the they should get back into the dating game
Or they can find an escort, which is different than a prostitute.
Wanna go out? Eat? Skydive? They can pay a girl to be their pretend girlfriend. That's what GFE stands for. That's what GFE girls do. Hang out have fun with you, and some sensual sexual things along the way.
A lot of people don't understand there's a difference between a prostitute and an escort. It seems to be forgotten. I remind them.
Reasons I cut it off with a regular usually, because they get too territorial or communicate way too much, I don't have have that kind of time to answer texts all day with you. I have a life outside of this work too. And it doesn't include you. That's the honest truth. There's a rare exception but that's because we benefit each other in some way. Not just wasting texts on random non productive talk over texts.
You know the type. Guys that fall for their hooker, have to email/text them every single day, etc.
For me, if a gal won't GF me she is toast. I find that disrespectful.
Fairly recently I had to let go of a regular who let her body go, wasn't happy anymore and brought some of her downer shit to our sessions. She is a real good girl but life beat her up a bit and we needed to move on.
Wasn't easy bc we were very close and she was no typical reg, as I sessioned with her virtually weekly for almost 3 years so it's time had clearly run out.
Great thing about this biz is it forced me to look and find someone new, and that new gal has been spectacular and turned into my current SB.
I had a regular for a couple of years.
Wasn't exclusive as I had one or two I'd see from time to time
But this one was like seeing the best friend with benefits you could ever ask for
The sex got downright amazing as we grew to know each other's likes.
I'd give her business advice because she had an entrepreneur's spirit and very inquisitive mind for business.
She was commuting from a mid size town in Texas to here in S CA.
One day a dear childhood friend of hers died in a car accident where they grew up.
It hit her really hard.
Next thing I knew she was packed and gone
Good lessons on a couple of things: at the very core of the relationship it was still a P4P arrangement and I'm glad I never stepped over any lines and if we'd really been "friends" she would've said goodby
IMO it leaves and wondering and slight emptiness to do this to your really good P4P friends. But that's just me.
Steph xoxo
...she's a lucky lady, Jack! xoxo
trying to take advantage of me. Anyone who has done this for more than a year has seen most of the scams, tricks, lies and games that some providers use to separate a hobbyist from his money. I'm not talking about the minor BS like telling me your real name is Beth and then a couple months later you say it's Sue. Because that's harmless. I'm talking about the heart-sinking feeling (mine) of realizing that one of my favorite providers just scammed me for a few dollars. That sucks.
Posted By: Zak0326
I wanted to start a different type thread.
I want to know why relationships end with regulars.
I understand most relationship end in one way or another. I'm talking the relationship is good you really get along and the next thing you know she is ending it with you. Besides the obvious answers which wasn't done ( marriage proposal) why do things usually end with a regular.
No for those curious all my regulars are still seeing me. I am in a good place.
Ladies why at times do you end it with a regular?
Guys why would you end it with your ATF?
Let's see where this goes.
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I agree if I ever feel like an ATM I would walk away. Luckily I have never felt that way.
Posted By: DURHAMDREW63
trying to take advantage of me. Anyone who has done this for more than a year has seen most of the scams, tricks, lies and games that some providers use to separate a hobbyist from his money. I'm not talking about the minor BS like telling me your real name is Beth and then a couple months later you say it's Sue. Because that's harmless. I'm talking about the heart-sinking feeling (mine) of realizing that one of my favorite providers just scammed me for a few dollars. That sucks.
Posted By: Zak0326
I wanted to start a different type thread.
I want to know why relationships end with regulars.
I understand most relationship end in one way or another. I'm talking the relationship is good you really get along and the next thing you know she is ending it with you. Besides the obvious answers which wasn't done ( marriage proposal) why do things usually end with a regular.
No for those curious all my regulars are still seeing me. I am in a good place.
Ladies why at times do you end it with a regular?
Guys why would you end it with your ATF?
Let's see where this goes.
-- Modified on 3/10/2016 8:42:44 AM
Posted By: DURHAMDREW63
trying to take advantage of me. Anyone who has done this for more than a year has seen most of the scams, tricks, lies and games that some providers use to separate a hobbyist from his money. I'm not talking about the minor BS like telling me your real name is Beth and then a couple months later you say it's Sue. Because that's harmless. I'm talking about the heart-sinking feeling (mine) of realizing that one of my favorite providers just scammed me for a few dollars. That sucks.
Posted By: Zak0326
I wanted to start a different type thread.
I want to know why relationships end with regulars.
I understand most relationship end in one way or another. I'm talking the relationship is good you really get along and the next thing you know she is ending it with you. Besides the obvious answers which wasn't done ( marriage proposal) why do things usually end with a regular.
No for those curious all my regulars are still seeing me. I am in a good place.
Ladies why at times do you end it with a regular?
Guys why would you end it with your ATF?
Let's see where this goes.
-- Modified on 3/10/2016 8:42:44 AM
Damn I disagree that this is the case for most. Your first year must have been brutal. Prolly your second year too.
Guys that do research, consult with the Newb Board lower their chances of these things IMO.
but then again I see at least a hundred women in a typical year, so even a 1% rate of scammers means at least once a year.
I will confess, I still don't do a tenth of the research that the typical "hobbyist" puts in. I simply don't have the desire to spend a thousand dollars worth of my time evaluating an expenditure of a few hundred bucks.
but maybe i've got my research methods down so it's only a few clicks of the mouse, and a couple of emails.
in fact, i realized that where most guys on here are complaining that i give out too many 10/10's, it's not because i am a mangina (tho i won't deny that), but more probably because, after all these years, i know how to find what i want, and i haven't wasted any large amounts of time and money in quite a few years.
the magic dragon knows....
I too make only a few clicks of the mouse and a couple of emails, but since I am pretty sure I see a lot more different women than the average guy, I can't imagine a year going by without someone at least taking a shot at scamming me. Are you saying your vetting is more than 99% effective?
One other thing to add, I also see hookers in a half a dozen different countries in any given year. You try seeing a hundred different hookers in a half a dozen different countries without ever having a woman taking a shot at you if you think you can do so. I guarantee you, you'll have at least one trying to scam you, whether or not she succeeds in doing so is another matter, but that wasn't the question asked.
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intelligent and with big tits for life. Never asks for discount. Never whines about life. If wants to dine with me off the clock and good with all I mentioned below, he is most likely good to go. Well, and of course he likes cats and Jesus. lol. Xo
Pushing boundaries, expecting more than they should, holding their contributions over your head as if you owe them more than what they've been given.
Also sometimes small issues you overlook at the beginning like minor hygiene or overly aggressive become too much on many repeats.
Those aren't things that you necessarily even perceive or acknowledge at first, but then they can't be unseen and can't be undone. So it may seem like everything was amazing one date and she's dismissing you the next, but really it's been something bugging her.
I know I've had regulars move on when fees changed and that's okay. Things happen, goals are different, spending limits are different. No harm, no foul
I'll admit that I am not one for being a "regular" (how in the hell is that defined, anyway?); I am more of a "repeater". In a sense, I don't "end" it - there just may be some time involved before I call to get together again.
I've had a few lady friends leave the business, one or two relationships that became impossible due to financial or emotional commitments expected or implied (and the tiing involved with those)... but in each case, it has been more of a transition than an ending. Most I still correspond with on occasion, and I don't rule out the possibility of something redeveloping with them one day. As a matter of fact, I just spent some time with a lady who left the business... we just caught up on each other's lives and had a good time being together.
I guess I just have a little different perspective on this than others might
I just don't get around to calling her again, EVER. lol
Only guys that get wrapped up in this whole ATF thing think that you need to "break up" with your hooker. News flash, that's just one of the perks of P4P, you don't ever have to call again until and unless you want to.
How can guys fuck up a concept as simple as "I pay you, you fuck me and then we leave each other alone until I want to pay you again"
I can think of at least a couple of dozen women I have seen several times, but haven't seen in many many months for no other reason that I simply haven't gotten around to seeing them again. There are just so many new women I want to fuck, there's just not enough days in the week for me to constantly repeat with all of them. A lot of these women were fantastic, but I most likely will never see most of them ever again. There are just too many new women that are going to grab my attention first.
The most common is that they disappear into thin air, but beyond that:
The last one got drunk, ran out the door hooping and hollering and got LE down on me. This was the second (and last) time also.
One I had a difference of opinion on a business matter if you catch my drift, but after a few years they apologized, made it up to me, and now we are cool again.
One told me her house had bed bugs, and I haven't heard from her since. This was 6 months ago.
At least one or two had the green eyed gonzagas on account of my new wife, or so their friends told me.
I've stopped calling one or two gals over the years because I felt their performance slipped to unacceptable levels. They've never bothered to call and check in with me about it, so screw 'em.
One gal I stopped seeing because she was too physical for me, especially with her mouth on my cock. I don't care for tooth marks, thank you.
Some I just can't afford any more, alas.
I'm sure there are other reasons, but I think I've made my point
I appreciate it. I will say that there is no world like this one.
Posted By: mrfisher
The most common is that they disappear into thin air, but beyond that:
The last one got drunk, ran out the door hooping and hollering and got LE down on me. This was the second (and last) time also.
One I had a difference of opinion on a business matter if you catch my drift, but after a few years they apologized, made it up to me, and now we are cool again.
One told me her house had bed bugs, and I haven't heard from her since. This was 6 months ago.
At least one or two had the green eyed gonzagas on account of my new wife, or so their friends told me.
I've stopped calling one or two gals over the years because I felt their performance slipped to unacceptable levels. They've never bothered to call and check in with me about it, so screw 'em.
One gal I stopped seeing because she was too physical for me, especially with her mouth on my cock. I don't care for tooth marks, thank you.
Some I just can't afford any more, alas.
I'm sure there are other reasons, but I think I've made my point.
Posted By: mrfisher
The most common is that they disappear into thin air, but beyond that:
The last one got drunk, ran out the door hooping and hollering and got LE down on me. This was the second (and last) time also.
One I had a difference of opinion on a business matter if you catch my drift, but after a few years they apologized, made it up to me, and now we are cool again.
One told me her house had bed bugs, and I haven't heard from her since. This was 6 months ago.
At least one or two had the green eyed gonzagas on account of my new wife, or so their friends told me.
I've stopped calling one or two gals over the years because I felt their performance slipped to unacceptable levels. They've never bothered to call and check in with me about it, so screw 'em.
One gal I stopped seeing because she was too physical for me, especially with her mouth on my cock. I don't care for tooth marks, thank you.
Some I just can't afford any more, alas.
I'm sure there are other reasons, but I think I've made my point.
Slacking and loss of interest. After a few sessions most girls feel they no longer have to dress up, do make up or throw in "extras." etc.
A girl might be good for 2-6 sessions. Then it becomes routine. It's no different than what happens when you buy a new car.
I ended things with a regular last summer after about eight months. Throughout the last three months she increasingly became more and more dependent of me...for everything. It started out with cigarettes then maybe a bottle of wine here or there ( NOT for us). It got to the point where I was buying toiletries for her (including feminine products). There were some other things too but I'm not an ATM machine lo
1. Her service level dropped dramatically. Based on her reviews, I was not the only person who experienced this. This happened to two of my prior ATFs.
2. We got to know each other too well. The fantasy disappeared. But, we are seeing each other later this month after a long dry spell. It might be awkward. This experience make me appreciate why some guy and a super model would get divorced. Super looks does not equal super person.
3. She stopped visiting my city.
Once a week?
Once a month?
Every time she visits my area? or I hers?
A Rotation?
The quick answer as well as obvious is "Variety"
I see a provider and have for quite some time every time she visits.
Not sure I would see her every week though.
I have never stopped seeing my ATF so I guess I have never quit
My regular is based in Manhattan and doesn't tour.
I see her once a month on average. Different day each month no patterns.
I might see a new girl once as well.
I think I'm good for two sessions a month.
NY prices are out of control.
Luckily for me I'm on scholarship with the people who I see the most whose prices I could never afford.
They haven't dumped me yet so I must be doing something right.
Posted By: escalade1964
Once a week?
Once a month?
Every time she visits my area? or I hers?
A Rotation?
The quick answer as well as obvious is "Variety"
I see a provider and have for quite some time every time she visits.
Not sure I would see her every week though.
I have never stopped seeing my ATF so I guess I have never quit?
Her service level dropped dramatically over the last few session. The last one she fell a sleep on me afterwards.. She was drunk or high on something when she show up that’s why she fell asleep. I felt like that it was more about the money then enjoying my company. I just couldn't afford her anymore. I would rather spend my money on my other regular that is total amazing and fun to be around. Then spend it on her and sit around listen to all of her problem in life. Just not worth the time and money with her.
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Gal #1) I liked her & generally had a goodtime. She had a limited menu but I waas ok with that. Her performance slipped & I felt that it wasn't worth the cost. So just I stopped calling her.
Gal #2) I put up with a lot of drama with her over a lot of years (6 I think). It was different things that interrupted our time & was not directed at me... even though it was interrupted I got my full time. We had established 1 hour of play time & roughly equal time OTC dressed... because it was a long drive, I'd get off the highway & purchase lunch fixings for us. The final straw was she had a family event within a few days of our appointment (I assume she' told the truth) that she didn't mention when I booked... we could have / should have rescheduled or tightened up the schedule, if she'd told me. I'd just got out of the store when she called me with a rant... where was I? Am I standinig her up? etc. I promised her I was on my way. I arrive & she went ballistic on me again. If I hadn't promised, I'd have walked back out... I spent half an hour calming her down. So we had our session & I left. I wished I'd stayed home. She could have set things right with an appology... She knew she'd screwed up but didn't do so. And she's no kid... guessing nearly my age...
I prefer being a regular client and had seen someone several times and thought it was great until she called me with 25 minutes notice before a 2 hour date and cancelled saying "something had come up" after I had cleared my entire schedule. I would have been fine with a short explanation but I can only assume a better offer came up at the last minute and I got dumped. So thats the end of that. Hard to understand since she had indicated she really enjoyed my company. Oh well, the search continues.
In no particular order.
She went crazy on me.
She retired from utr.
She got married to a hobbyist.
She raised her rates....significantly.
She had a guy answer the door.
She got her feelings hurt when I saw someone else.
She couldn't fulfill my needs.
I made a mistake in protocol, and she dropped me faster than you can say adios. A year later she took me back, and my mistake became the protocol. Unbelievable
It has happened, but always by the lady moving on. Regardless, if you know how to hobby, you always can move on as well if the situation warrants. At the end of the day, you have the gold, and you make the rules as far as your personal situation as a hobbyist goes.
Posted By: Zak0326
I wanted to start a different type thread. I want to know why relationships end with regulars.
My brother, this is *not* a different type of thread for you. This is your repeating cycle on this board. Consider your trifecta below:
1) Is it ok to cry in a provider's arms.
2) Renting a hooker to go as your date to your cousin's wedding.
3) Why do (P4P) relationships end
Posted By: Zak0326
for those curious all my regulars are still seeing me. I am in a good place.
Zak, you're not in a good place. You're in a fucked up place. You should stop P4P and try putting your life together. Find someone who likes spending time with you--for free. Then you can cry in her arms. You can take her to family weddings. And you can worry about a real relationship ending. --
Sugar Babies.
Posted By: some-guy
Sugar Babies.
Yep, I dumped my ATF of two years for a smoking hot SB who was 10 years younger. I don't even have a P411 account anymore. I live in a university town & the sugar bowl has been an endless supply of college girls who will fuck for P411 rates. It really is incredible.
TER is my last link to the hobby world. I still prefer the TER discussion boards to the sugar forums. And most of the issues here are P4P issues, not exclusively 'hobby' issues. --
Then you're doing it all wrong.
Posted By: some-guy
If you're paying P411 rates for SBs .... Then you're doing it all wrong.
My current arrangement is with a 19 year old college SB. She looks like a young Scarlett Johansson & is way hotter than anyone on my P411 board. Her SB profile has an allowance requirement of "Substantial"--$10K/month. I'm fucking her for $400 per week.
Thanks for pointing out that I'm doing this 'wrong'. Why don't you start a thread on this board about how to play in the sugar bowl. I'm glad you're going to help us out. This will be like enrolling in Trump University. --z
First off, if you're spending $400 on her, I'm assuming you're getting at least a 4 hour date out of it, correct?
Last I checked, that's $100 per hour.
Is that the standard P411 rate? If so, then I stand corrected. If not, then you are obviously doing it wrong. And you could probably use a math class more than you could use a course on success and survival in the Sugar Bowl.
Posted By: some-guy
if you're spending $400 on her, I'm assuming you're getting at least a 4 hour date out of it, correct?
At $400, I'm fucking a top-tier College SB every week with no ticking clock.
Posted By: some-guy
Last I checked, that's $100 per hour. Is that the standard P411 rate? If so, then I stand corrected. If not, then you are obviously doing it wrong.
$100 an hour is streetwalker rate, as any guy on this board could tell you, SD.
Posted By: some-guy
And you could probably use a math class more than you could use a course on success and survival in the Sugar Bowl.
Thanks for the content-free 'Trump Sugar Seminar', omg. --z
