lady to act like one.  I want her to kiss me, suck and swallow, and fuck my brains out.  I really don't want to talk to the provider, get to know her, or date her.

Am I objectifying providers?  Fucking A right I am.  When I see her, she is the object of my affection for the hour. I don't want to hear about her problems.  I don't want to hear her "World View."  I don't fucking want to hear about the Goddamned store or club she went to the night before.

I don't want to get to "know her" or her to get to "know me."  Fuck that.  I want to get laid by a woman who knows what she's doing and my only "personality trait" standard is that she's not a whinny Bitch.


I get enough interaction in the hobby with the ladies on these boards.  Frankly, most of the ones I interact with here, I'll never fuck because of either logistics or taste.  I'll be the first to admit that it probably goes both ways, but I also know that the wallet is the great equalizer.

Ladies, if you are offended by this because it seems like I "disrespect" you, don't be.  To be honest, my respect for anyone has nothing to do with what they are, be they man, woman, racially diverse, or religiously different; but how they act and how they treat others.

It's just that, in this part of my life, I just want to get laid. Some people on this site want to devalue my particular approach to the hobby.  To each his/her own, but you are NOT superior just because you want to impress the Local Vociferous Vaginas or the Local Vocal White Knight.  I'll let you seek your companionship through the hobby if you just let me get laid in peace.

speaking of whiny bitches... look in the mirror.

Over reacting a little? Maybe? Most ladies will be happy to fuck your brains out, take your money and leave if that's all you want. It's actually a lot less work.  It's all about setting ground rules when you get there.  Just get things going the way you like and a smart lady will play along.  If you get stuck with a chatty Kathy who just doesn't get it then cross her off the list.

now if a lady wants to be *nice* and go out of her way to make it a pleasant exprience for me that's fine. If she provides a small bit of pleasant conversation that's nice too.

I will treat her like a gentleman, and even attempt to give her a bit of pleasure as well.

And I appreciate her and her skills.

But I am not looking for pseudo-affection or any other manipulative behaviors.

Altho a backrub afterward would be pleasant....

Whats so hard about saying hello, sucking and fucking for the better part of an hour, and saying goodbye? It's really that simple.....

It sounds like none of us GFE's would want to see someone like you anyway.  Not brave enough to use your real handle I see?!?  In that case, I won't use mine either.

Go get laid and shut the heck up already!  LOL!

blah blah BLAH!!!!  Puullleeeaaazzeeee Spare me!

GFE Provider and LOVING it!

for a large portion of the allotted time, because some guys are looking to get their companionship needs met by "providers". So you get to go all Oprah on them - easy work. But shame on you - taking advantage of all of those fragile egos lol.

Hey - if it works for you, go for it - there are certainly enough sad sacks around eating it up lol

But when I "donate" for an hour, I wanna see that ass in motion for 59 minutes of it ....

Well GEEZE, why didn't you just say so??? Just let me know your preferences in advance and rather than giving you directions to my downtown loft, I'll go rent a room at some pay by the hour roach motel.

On my way, I will stop and pick up a package of baby wipes.

While providing a BBBJ, I will be certain to stop every few seconds and ask you if you are done yet. When you indicate that you want FS, I will obligingly roll over and start filing my nails while you take care of business. Maybe for the truly authentic touch, I will even chew gum throughout the ordeal.

When you finish your business, I will note with relief that I don't even need to clean up much cause I didn't really get very wet. Then I will casually toss the baby wipes that I picked up in your lap and tell you that you can clean up with them if you want before you leave.

Then I'll just sit there smacking my gum and smoking until you leave.

Hey fella, if you want to be treated like a trick, just tell her what you want.

Trust me, she won't give a fuck!   Or be offended!  You could have saved yourself the 2 minutes of typing this by saying this to her at the beginning.

I cannot stand a man without balls enough to tell me what he wants. Scream it say it whisper it, whatever but use your goddamned communication skills & go on your way.

You darling are the one who just WHINED on this board using an alias at that, so in effect, you still have not gotten your point across where it matters, to the woman.

Grow up little boy & speak for yourself!  

Brennan, no alias here

We have enough drama on the boards, and when it comes time to indulge in a session, I am not interested in more either.
This is a very good piece and a good read.
Of course, the usual WK's and criers will be out in full force after reading it.

Ladies, if you read it objectively, you should be agreeing to the principal message.  

Don't you realize most girls that are sex workers like fucking?

And money.  It's really simple.  If I wanted to sit on my ass & feed your ego for a few hours, I'd go on a real date.

a specific session.  Not over-reacting, but actually trying to get a viewpoint across.

Brilliant!

Dear You:

I find your entire post/rant entertaining, enlightening, and moreover the truth. You got yourself a Chatty Cathy. (No offense meant to anyone named Kathy, Cathy, or Chatty)

I think you would be better off with a PSE provider or one that comes very close to that. Do some homework and try to find out who provides that type service in your area, price range (I do PSE's and charge accordingly) PSE's may be a little pricier than a GFE because of the sheer physical strength it takes to get it done right, and for other acts the body has to be prepped. It is pretty much a no holds barred session...so expect to fork over some dough.


Allure aka

Naughty Chocolate!!!!!

Dude, your post almost makes sense, except for the fact that a GFE doesn't really mean that the girl is providing lots of conversation and emotional connectedness.  To me, GFE means DFK, BBBJ, and MSOG, not lots of personal conversation about our mutual lives.  

That having been said, I agree with you that it is completely ludicrous the way people pretend that they are Knights of the Round Table and the providers are sophisticated courtesans who are going to dazzle the French Ambassador at a black-tie ball with their witty repartee.

But I think you could relax a little about the GFE.  It's more about getting your cock sucked the right way and being able to DFK in mish, as far as I'm concerned.....and you can objectify a girl quite easily during such activities, if that's your thing!  

Besides, in the L.A. K-girl scene (which I inhabit), there isn't much conversation besides, "Shower?  You shower?"

Being a GFE does not include babbling, hearing about her boyfriend, kids, food, and whining about her life, her rent and the dog.
GFE is DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Multiple positions, done with a smile and pride. Yeah, that's a GFE.

Dear Justyouraveragehobbyist,
" if you are offended by this because it seems like I "disrespect" you, don't be.  To be honest, my respect for anyone has nothing to do with what they are, be they man, woman, racially diverse, or religiously different; but how they act and how they treat others."

I suggest you practice what you preach.

Also, if you don't want GFE there are plenty of reviews that will show you which ladies are "all business".  Research and read them.  And stick to those ladies that suit you.

If you don't like this board and TER there are other sites that you can use instead where there are no holds barred as to what is said and how it is said.  

If you express yourself and what you do and don't like to the lady you are going to see, most are happy to ablige.  However, if you approach it the way you have done here, most will tell you to fuck off and take a walk.  

I see many clients who don't like a lot of conversation.  We have a great time together too!  Lots of play, nice massage, more play, more massage, more play...and so on.  I never consider them to be unfriendly nor do I feel they are rude if they prefer less conversation.  

Bottom line is, if you act like an ass about it, you will get an asshole response.  If you can be a gentleman, you will get what you want.  

There are many gents out there who do want exactly what you don't.  Either way is fine with me.  I have been fortunate to meet and get to know some of my clients.  I have even formed friendships with a few.

I honestly could care less if every guy wants to get to know me or not.  I am here to provide a service.  I go with the flow and try to read the person I'm with.  That being said, some guys are just quiet because they are nervous and a little chit chat helps put them at ease.  We are not mind readers!  Okay?!  Let us know (POLITELY) what you like/dislike.  Simple stuff!

At least this is how BaltimoreBetty feels about it!  Oh no!  Did I just give up my alias?!  LOL

-- Modified on 6/6/2009 1:57:12 PM

I would never act like an ass. I am always a gentleman, and I am sure the OP is also.
A little chat is fine. There is a difference between providers who rant and will not shut up on a date, and those who make the small talk for the feeling out process.
I would never tell a provider to shut up and fuck, but there were a couple of them who had to have my tongue or my dick into their orifice just to keep them quiet.

Of course, it's all clear to me now....

Hey, if the guy talks too much can I shove my vibrator in his mouth?  LOL!  I have a few options I can use I guess, Breasts, Tongue, Pussy, Ass...

I actually prefer some conversation.  Nothing major, but just a little chit chat is always nice.  

Excessive talking can get on my nerves too.  More than anything though, intentional rudeness irritates the crap out of me.  I simply will not tolerate it.

Nuf' SAID!  LOL

Providers provide what clients want and/or will tolerate.

Stupid euphemisms like "provider" and "hobbyist" and referring to this business as leisurely gentlemen activity  encourage all that you despise.

Personally, I'm on a mission to get back to basics.
I stepped out of Boston for a couple of days Thursday and fucked my brains out for two days.

My muscles and pussy are sore.  I didn't divulge any personal details or revisit stories I had told return guests previously.  I made everyone cum at least twice, orgasmed in every session (the way I like to as apposed to going through the motions with DATY like I feel compelled to) and felt that every single meeting was a success unlike other tours where I've had to second-guess myself over not being charming enough.
I'm tired and thankful that I have the weekend to recover before I tour again...

...And I really, really like it.

This world was constructed by online "hobbyists" and some providers exploit it, others are hindered by it.
But 'thanks' to the review system- guess what.
You can certainly find providers who will worship your body without so much as exchanging more than 5 words with you.

just getting laid in peace?  What does you going out of your way to read threads in here have to do with you just getting laid during a session?

Sounds like we need a new profile item.

Speaks English - yes/no/don't know.

This species evolved from the apes....a long time ago.

The hobby gives me seduction, intrigue, titillation, passion, and outrageous sexual intimacy.....I can't get that from a blow up doll...and monkeys don't wear nylons and heels....lol.

Its my belief that much of the powerfulness of sexuality occurs between the ears.

To each his own.....peace to all!

Hobbit Giorgio

-- Modified on 6/6/2009 2:59:37 PM

I agree 100%!!!

I just want to go in, get off and say bye.

I don't want to get to know you, how many kids you have, the problems you have or anything else about you!

You are NOT my gf and I don't want you to act like it. All you have to do is lay there, I'll do the work and in 25 - 30 minutes I'll be gone and you can get ready for your next appt.

And how did I figure you would grab your armor and jump on your white horse, MSD?
I am waiting for 2 others, you are the first.

Providers are not blow up dolls. They are women.
I think you are also missing the point.
Please reread the thread.

I'm not trying to impress pussy I've already paid for.

the preeminent Hobby site on the Net?  Why has my post inflamed?  What did I say that was inflammatory or required to be posted on a "No Holds Barred" type of site?

Crack hoes can be easily located on chicago and lake.

It is much cheaper and I believe it would solve your problem. Ego Check, who has shown more enthusiasm for this post than any one in months, can tell you where to buy them, and after its over you can just deflate “her.”

       Where your logic breaks down is your  starting premise – that the GFE has “fuckedup the hobby.” You can simply request silence with your dates and that will take care of it for purposes of your encounters. But the market has spoken as to the majority who presumably want and willing to pay for this, and it is not logical to extrapolate your frustration to the hobby in general,or presuppose that this special a la carte service is somehow damaging to the hobby.

     And why the aiias? Except for the failure in logic, your view is not unreasonable, just a little cold. In fact, you deserve credit for being so completely honest. I think a lot of ladies would respect that.

people cannot carry on a decent conversation so, they may be looking for conversation.

But, I agree with you. Just fuck my brains out, take charge. I an there to have sex, sex and sex.

I will respect you like lady.

TER be a site where hobbyists and providers alike can visit and discuss the topic of sex in a respectful manner?   I do not mind banter and differing opinions.  I think a fair amount of discussion and even disagreement is good.  But can't we all keep it on a respectful level.  Some here think every comment they make has to be done out of anger and frustration ....the little red angry faces are disheartening.

I don't necessarily think your comment belongs on a no holds barred site.  But, you seem to be angry and upset and, if not happy here, there are other sites that would gladly accept you into their folds.

That's all.

review score either.

To fuck someone is simple - am a sex machine. To fuck someone's brain is the hard work.

However, providers are not just sex toys. We are all humans. I'm not misreading you, but if you want to get laid "in peace" without interacting with ppl, the best way to do is jack off.

And there are some providers out there that are sex animals. I've heard of a few.

YOU are allowed to post an ignorant insulting post if you like. You didn't personalize it to one particular person which is against the rules, so there is nothing that says you CAN'T say what you want to say.

But are you saying that others can't respond in kind and make their own opinions heard??

Simply put, you have the right to make an arse out of yourself if you wish. I have the right to TELL you that you made an arse out of yourself if you do. Everyone wins. Get it?

I am surprised to see you since "she who shall not be named" had moved on. I thought you went with her, leash and all.

that would be like going to the tasting room at Chateau Petrus and asking for a glass of water, or going to Egypt without seeing the pyramids, or having dinner with Steven Spielberg and talking about sports.

C'est une belle femme mais tres loquace.

A curious choice for you to be sure.

But from the sounds of it, your OP and your response to Bostonguy, you feel misunderstood and unappreciated by those of us on this board. Either that or you're just trying to pick a fight.

Perhaps you can clarify the issue.

and I enjoy all the things you seem to hate.  But it doesn't have anything to do with feeling 'superior' or being a 'white knight', whatever that is.  I just really enjoy a GFE; you don't.  That's fine.  The whole purpose of this site is to find an experience that gets you off, so why the rant?  Read the reviews, find what you want, and go for it; and I'll do the same.  It's really pretty simple.

insulting thread.  Yes.  You may have one good point in there somewhere amongst your angry, degrading bullshit.  However, you were looking for a fight, not a discussion.  Now when you see other peoples responses, and get the fight you were SO obviously looking for, you are surprised that they are angry?  One word....DUH!  

Puleaze!  Don't act like you just can't understand.  You: "Why are people angry at me?" As if you don't know.  You are extremely childish in all your posts on this thread.  So, buck up and take it on the chin boy!  OH! That's right, you are a coward and posted using an alias!  Of COURSE!  LOL  

What a cowardly way for those of you men using alias' on this thread.

I cannot believe things like "she who shall not be named"..

This isn't Dungeons & fucking Dragons, it's a board for adults who live outside the law & pay for pussy or sell it.
Those are some good reasons for an alias.

You should be ashamed of your pathetic probably horrible boring lovers selves.

Contribute to this lifestyle or go away & FIND a lifestyle!

Are the gentleman not permitted to disagree with another gent just because he's a guy?  So they are labeled White Knights?  I guess they are not allowed to have an opinion either.  

Although this little piss ant did actually have one interesting point.  His delivery was so atrocious that all he did was start a fight.  He is like a little boy starving for attention.  Well, he should sleep good tonight, since all of us here on TER gave him the attention he was craving.

Dungeons and Dragons? Isn't that from the 80's?
I thought that was extinct.
As far as the "she who shall not be named" comment, it was meant for marikod, and he understands.
I don't understand why your panties are in a bunch.
This was a legit topic, and enjoyable too. The opinions were not all one sided either.
BTW, I thought you charged for your time. Hmmmmm.

I sure don't want to be treated like a trick, I want to be treated like a PERSON.

While "GFE" is sometimes construed to mean practically anything; good providers know it means something beyond just getting laid.

Hey -- if all I want is an orgasm, I can give it to myself for free. Why would I pay to have a woman perform an almost identical thing just using different body parts?

Anyone who pays attention realizes the providers who post here are WAY smarter than the average woman you meet at work. Most are, frankly, more ethical as well. While I can't say I share many of the views -- and sometimes have diametrically opposed views -- of some providers; I can definitely say there are a lot of women here (crossing all categories) who are (and would be) absolutely fascinating to speak with, without regard to such things.

The brain is our largest sex organ. A few minutes of conversation with a beautiful and intelligent woman is a GOOD thing!

Let me add to this ...

I spoke with a provider who had given me a fairly ... mind expanding ... experience; and she informed me that the quality of the experience I had just received was directly related to HOW I TREATED HER.

Shocking, eh?

Bottom line is, don't be an ass to women. Don't adopt a superior attitude if you have half a clue. Don't come with a chip on your shoulder. Treat them the way you want to be treated, and watch amazing things happen.

And -- contrary to the original post, the wallet is NOT the "great equalizer." Demand exceeds supply -- that's why the going price is $200-$400. If you treat a woman poorly, she can absolutely afford to NOT book you in the future.

Yes, she is in business. But because of the nature of her business, she does not have to provide Affirmative Action for Assholes. She can serve on the basis of "content of character."

Which makes this thread useless for a girl who is trying to become the best in her field.

When did I say I charged only for my time anyway? I merely charge by the hour, we all know what I charge for. But when these posts can be use against me in a court of law...use your head.
For the record I don't charge more or less for anything under the sun. PSE/GFE, all the same. Pleasure is what's on my menu & whatever that constitutes. You paid for the hour, it's your hour. I could care less, I want you to be happy & return!

But obviously the OP is not able to speak for all or even most men. If he posted with his TER handle at least a girl doing her homework could see that he likes this approach but he didn't even allow for that.

I just think the silly inside jokes & alias' in this type of thread don't help anyone.  It's not a secret society or fraternity.
It's a place for us to learn & explore with open minds.

I fail to see how this thread effects how you will become the best in your field.
Your replies, and a few others show that the OP should have used an alias for this post.
If these posts are useless to you, then skip them, like I do with most of them.
BTW, I don't need to be evaluated. This is TER where providers are evaluated, not hobbyists.

I can go out and with a little shit talking, I can get laid - quick wham bang thank you maam but for the GFE, you have to play the game and I am tired of the wining and dining just to get it one time.  So after a few Jasmine Sullivan episodes ( for the unhip, your car windows busted out) I turn to that 1.5 NSA, GFE and nowe I do not wake up at night when a car alarm goes off.

if you think hobbyist are not "evaluated".

A mouth full of pussy if it's OK with all the "I just want her to fuck me and leave" guys...

it's not because i think you care about whatever i'm talking about... it's just because i'm nervous.

i am aware of the issue.

the feeling is acutally mutual.. i dont want to get to know you either.. in fact, thats why i like this business.

generally speaking, people are on their best behavior in the first hour that you meet them.

Maybe GFE doens't even exist. It's whatever they say it means or not. I talk to the providers or not. They can be more or less nicer or not.

I don't even know if it's GFE, when it is and if they don't tell me it is. how do I know it is?

Don't worry about three letters that don't mean nothing.

I returned to the "HOBBY" after a 25 year break/
Years ago it was not a hobby. It was a means to an end. There were very few abbreviations...No
DATY DFK ETC.  It was a business arrangement.

You paid your money and got laid or some version of getting laid.  I admit I like the so-called GFE.  To me the main difference is to kiss or not to kiss.  I like kissing so I like GFE.

Maybe the original poster should find a submissive, or as I believe Brennan said, just tell the lady what you want.  If she can't or won't give you what you want then come up with plan B.

No need to whineabout it.

If I had an alias I could just say
STFU!

GFE means kissing. We can't talk with my tongue in your mouth.

I mostly "chat" with guys who I never want to see again.

about talking versus fucking.

Some like to talk about fucking and some like fuck, I for one fall in the second group.

Let us add a new acronym to gfe, something like GFJF- Girl Friend just fucks.

By the way, Talk about Fucking seems to be in high demand on both sides of the isle.

When I started "hobbying" over twenty years ago, you really had the "Pretty Woman" rules of no kissing, limited touching.  Perhaps it was different with the high priced agencies but what the OP describe was pretty much the case in most of my interactions. In fact when agencies or indies advertised in the yellow pages or classifieds, S&M, or fantasies like nurse, school girl request.  

With the internet and review site like TER, the concept of GFE developed.  Note GFE is not an official category .  So once guys started to decribe LFK, DFK, DATY, responsiveness without the obvious faking, the cleaning up afteward and the mutual cuddling.  I think many ladies (correct me if I am wrong) read reviews or these discussion boards and now GFE has become the standard.  For an example how many times have you read a reviewer say " Great Fuck but not a GFE" or ladies giving you rules
So if I read advertisement and its GFE and she does not even LFK or allow you to attempt anything to arouse her, like DATY or mutual touching, then she is not a GFE, acording to most reviewers and for me

Well, you took my post out of context.
Of course providers share info on us. I am well aware of that.
The good news for me is that all of the comments on me are favorable. Yes, I have seen them.

I can't believe you just gave up your alias.  Alias_MrAlias would never give up an alias, he may even add another alias to his alias.

What a talker... LMAO!  Just kidding.

I am known to take the same or different side from the ladies depending on the subject.  I do so based on my opinion not to win favor with them.  Yes, I have had several ladies PM me because of a posted opinion.  I frankly have so many provider options that I can't see possbily meeting all of the ladies I am interested in.  While I do tend to side on the ladies more often than not it is not always.  On the subject of treating the ladies with respect, I always fall on that side.  Why?  To not respect them in this hobby is to not respect myself in this hobby.  We are the ones that have to pay them to be together, so how any asshole thinks he is supperior to them boggles my mind.  Still, I will admit to White Knighting on a few things, but I also don't agree on every view a provider has.  I have argued with some of my favorites because I have opinions.  If they can't handle them or think I am too nosey because I have concern for them or thoughts to how they do there business, oh well, that is me.  If they don't like it there is always another in the wings.

I can't say that I blame him.

"Talk about Fucking seems to be in high demand on both sides of the isle."

of the hobby, I'm taking it way too seriously.  Actually, my point was that whenever I, or anyone else from my particular approach to the hobby makes a comment on these boards, the WhiteKnights and Vociferous Vaginas take it "WAY TOO SERIOUSLY."

I have a lot of fun, and will continue to do so.  I just wish others here would do the same.

"I have a lot of fun, and will continue to do so.  I just wish others here would do the same."

I wasn't aware that anyone here wasn't having fun. You are the one that sounds so unhappy, and defensive. And, when someone disagrees with you, you call them names. Hmmm!?!

Reminds me a lot of what I've seen so many times with little kids. They run around, and soon one picks up a stick, and when one of the others gets poked in the eye, the one with the stick blames the first for running into it. You are the one that brought the stick.

and although I might have worded the OP a little differently, I mostly agree with it.

Who wants to pay good money just to listen to a woman, a highly paid one at that complain about her life and the men in it? That is the very reason that most married men hobby to begin with. lol

a clarification in my "talker" accusation is in order.  While the subject in question is well known for communicating, ESPECIALLY OPINIONS, I must point out that the said person can also be very quiet.  In fact, I must be honest and relate that she actually completed a BBBJ on me before I even heard what her voice sounded like.  I must assume it was based on having communicated via e-mail and showing her respect.  At least I don't think it is her common practice to do that with every guy at her door before even saying hi.  I guess there could be a whole bunch of happy Jehovah’s witnesses out there.

Some even have U-Hauls of their shit, too!

Maybe the post is a little emphatic, but he makes a good point.  There is nothing wrong with his approach. To each his own regarding how his time is spent.  Sometimes these boards lose sight of the reality that these are not regular hookups or relationships - they are appointments.  Thats not to say that there cant be some chemistry, connection, or hints of real friendship.  But all that is secondary to what is really at work and has been quite accurately pointed out.  I agree with Justyouraveragehobbyist not to lose sight this is simply about getting laid.  But I tip my hat to those who seek or find something more than that in this community.