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I met all of these girls on a SD/SB website. The SBs I've bedded have not put up an escort page on TER, but you have. And I haven't seen any of them on P411--yet
This is correct. I am an escort in addition to being an SB. Thus, I also have an escort website. I did not meet any of my SD's through the internet, however. I believe I stated I met on at the Game Developer's conference, and the other through an alumni weekend at my college. (1) The SB auditions the SD with a few face-to-face meetings before committing to sex-for-money.
I disagree in that, because most sugar relationships I have experienced and observed have a very large platonic component to them. The SD's I know meet a woman to determine many things. Will she be able to pose as an intern at my business dinner? May I take her to Agape Foundation charity event, and have present herself with altruism and class? When I take her on outings with friends and my sugars, will she make me look good? Are we sexually compatible?I personally audition my SD's to see if they are:
A) Compatible with my sense of humor.
B) If they have experience in Power Exchange, and understand Safe Sane and Consensual. Also, do they engage in S&M? I don't mind if they do, but I personally don't.
C) Are we essentially compatible on a mental level/does he want to encourage my dreams and aspirations
D)Is he a self made man, or is he a blue blood?
E)What types of compensation outside of my allowance, and mentoring, is he willing to give?
(3) The SB expects gifts now & then from the SD[/SD]
My SD's are so generous that I don't really expect gift, personally. I am always grateful to receive them, however, because I can tell they spent a lot of time finding something meaningful to me. I do not expect a client to retain my likes and dislikes.
Thank you for your explanations and insight. I know you cannot receive PM's, but I would be happy to continue over email, if you'd like. [email protected]
My SD's are so generous that I don't really expect gift, personally. I am always grateful to receive them, however, because I can tell they spent a lot of time finding something meaningful to me. I do not expect a client to retain my likes and dislikes.
The two SBs who rejected me may share your idea of what 'Sugar' means. But from what I've seen, it's almost always sex-for-money. Your version of 'sugar' seems to be the exception, not the rule.
I have been an SB since before I was "of age", and from the sugar "soirees" I have attended, and the sugar friends I have, and the SD's I have met and known, "sex for money" in such black and white terms is not the norm. If my SD1 wants that, he gets an escort. That is one of the reasons I like escorting (like I keep saying), it gives me a break from the emotional grey area that is the sugar bowl. My SD's have expectations of me that a client does not. In the sugar networks I navigate, my standard is the norm. Because of my experiences and understanding, it is still difficult for me to understand how your version of sugar is different than just escorting arrangements in which there is an ongoing expectation of sex.Thank you for your explanations and insight. I know you cannot receive PM's, but I would be happy to continue over email, if you'd like. [email protected]
guaranteed sex that you get with a regular provider. This sounds like a deal somewhere between a regular provider and a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship.
Most guys need the guarantee of sex, without having to wait 2-3 dates...
Most guys need the guarantee of sex, without having to wait 2-3 dates...
are only happening in Z's mind.. 
Probably true, as I've stated in previous Sugarland posts. It doesn't bother me--why does it bother you? These are NSA relationships.
Even though you find me to be an exception to the rule, it seems to me like real sugar often falls into this awkward (and occasionally stressful) emotional grey area.Be careful with your literary comparisons. Nabokov's Lolita is 12 years old.
This is correct. The original Lolita was a sexually assaulted youth, coerced through the abusers relationship with her mother. It is far from the "jail bait" hottie connotation today. She was actually described as quite homely.[Funny that. But surely providers already text you with those 'lets get together' msgs. I'm sure you've had to say 'no', even though you wanted to say 'yes'. If you didn't have that self-control, you'd already be broke.]
Interesting. I would never occur to me to text a client out of the blue. I text my SD's out of the blue, but it is usually because I'm thinking of them and something enjoyable we did, or that they said.
Seth read my mind with his post.
I don't understand the Sugar thing.
Is about bareback sex? Paying for a friend?
That's weird.
No offense. I swear. Just curious.
So people pay you to buy you clothes, and shoes?
Or more like a paid mistress?
Either way it seems odd to me.
Seems like it would always end badly.
To me this whole thing just reminds me to protect myself. Mind, and body.
Because just like you say. There are girls out there who raw dog their SD, then also work as escorts.
And I have met some really awesome women doing this. But I'll never pay someone to be my friend.
That is a reason to seek therapy in my mind.
Maybe if I were some rich guy with a bitch wife that wants the house, and everything else I worked for.
I might feel differently. It's actually kinda sad now that I think about it.
I think I just answered my own question. Forget it.
Seth read my mind with his post.
I don't understand the Sugar thing. But I'll never pay someone to be my friend. That is a reason to seek therapy in my mind.
That's a curious statement, as if 60 minute anonymous sex with strangers is preferable to getting to know the person you're fucking. Maybe you need therapy. I don't understand the Sugar thing. But I'll never pay someone to be my friend. That is a reason to seek therapy in my mind.
It's actually kinda sad now that I think about it. I think I just answered my own question. Forget it.
Thanks for your smug morality play. I've already forgotten it. --z
You gotta love how some want to pigeon hole an "arrangement" with a hooker.
I really get that a guy like z finds the chase more entertaining than the catch. And perhaps the ability to reject before he is rejected is also a part of his game.
Who really knows what works for someone else?
I remember that there was a man of many faces...lonchaney from 1912 to be exact. Seems like johns like to play that same game with the hookers as well
You've beenaround for a while. I just don't understand the SB/SD thing. It seems fucking weird to me.
Lets see if I have this straight:
A North of 40 guy, parades around in public with a 20 something...Gets laid once a week and foots the whole bill. According to Z, it is costing him 4 bills plus dinners and other date related costs like hotel rooms. I am pretty sure that these SB's will also hit them up for a few more items along the way. She also probably has at least 1 or 2 other SD's lined up. I am guessing that the sex is probably pretty vanilla, leaving only the visual of a tight hot co-ed for the fantasy aspect (JMO) and when school is out of session, he is left holding only his cock.
or...you could see an Escort for a determined amount, for a determined time, and probably have much better sex with an experienced adult professional.
Did I get this right?
-- Modified on 12/29/2012 12:38:42 PM
Lets see if I have this straight:
A North of 40 guy, parades around in public with a 20 something...Gets laid once a week and foots the whole bill. According to Z, it is costing him 4 bills plus dinners and other date related costs like hotel rooms. I am pretty sure that these SB's will also hit them up for a few more items along the way. She also probably has at least 1 or 2 other SD's lined up. I am guessing that the sex is probably pretty vanilla, leaving only the visual of a tight hot co-ed for the fantasy aspect (JMO) and when school is out of session, he is left holding only his cock.
or...you could see an Escort for a determined amount, for a determined time, and probably have much better sex with an experienced adult professional.
Did I get this right?
-- Modified on 12/29/2012 12:38:42 PM
There are many women who may be both, just like I am.
But there are also women who are not both, though they try very hard to be. This is a fact of the sugar bowl.
There are hobbyists who like to play SD, and vice versa. Simple truth.
I'm sure some have already made such a statement about me. Unfortunately, I can't control what others think of me. I can only control what I do and how I act. If someones thinks I am also one who is an escort in disguise, then they will not contact me.
It is not "me" vs "them". You have decided to take offense to my statement, so it will be futile to try and explain the difference.
If you would like to have a non confrontational about the differences, feel free to pm or email me. 
I like you Rose, but on the issue of 'hookers in disguise', you're on shaky ground. If I understand dddbabe's argument, you can no longer throw that term around without including yourself in that description.
You've hung out your shingle now as both a provider & SB. And like dddbabe, I have no problem with that. But you're still trying to differentiate yourself from other providers who practice the same thing. That's a really tough sell. You may think of yourself as an SB moonlighting as a provider, but just about everyone else on this board will view you as a 'hooker in disguise'.
You describe me in the SD/SB scene as a 'hobbyist in disguise'. That's an accurate description & I can't dispute the truth. You're going to have to wear that 'hooker in disguise' label whether you like it or not. --z
I like you Rose, but on the issue of 'hookers in disguise', you're on shaky ground. If I understand dddbabe's argument, you can no longer throw that term around without including yourself in that description.
Why not? As I have stated, I act COMPLETELY different with my SD's than with clients. It's almost not even the same person...My SD's would never call me rose, they only know my real name, where I live...basically the real me. I don't hide anything from them.But you're still trying to differentiate yourself from other providers who practice the same thing.
*sigh* There are many hookers who are ALSO SB's. Not just me. I will say it again: I am not the only hooker who is also an SB. However, there are many hookers who think that being an SB and treat it like hooking. They put out on the first date, they have sex EVERY TIME they see their daddy, they get paid per date, they don't actually enjoy their Daddy as a person, they aren't taken to functions, etc. People on this board will think what they will of me. The reason why I still continue to post despite my unpopularity is because that irregardless of what others think, I know who I am and what I am. Like many SB's, I am also a prostitute. Prostitution is my fun fantasy world where I am a sexy alter ego of myself. Being an SB is just a part of my regular world.Again, I am not the only SB who does both. I'm 100% sure of that. But then there are others who THINK they do both, but really don't. There is nothing wrong with saying that if it is true.
You describe me in the SD/SB scene as a 'hobbyist in disguise'. That's an accurate description & I can't dispute the truth. You're going to have to wear that 'hooker in disguise' label whether you like it or not.
I agree with you most of the time , but here I must disagree. Like I said, I approach my two jobs differently, with different expectations and different boundaries. I am not a hooker in disguise because I understand the difference. Just like all of the other hookers who are also SB's. The ones that aren't truly SB's know what they're doing too. I would not ever give a client my real name, but my SD's have it. I would never expect a client to further my career and personal development, but that's what my SD's do. There are just some things that do not translate into both worlds. This is perfectly fine. People are offended at differentiation because they see a value judgement. Just because someone is not a true SB and is pretending to be one, doesn't make them bad. It just doesn't make them an SB. Someone who likes to pretend to be an SD isn't one...but if it makes both parties happy then great. I'm sure SD one sees expensive hookers. However, if he tried to tell me he was a hobbyist I would laugh in his face. He doesn't get the hobby world. He would wonder why his hooker wouldn't give up her IRL details, or want to meet his friends, and he would have all these expectations and be disappointing. SD2 doesn't have sex with me, but he must have sex somewhere. I am sure of it.
Summary is: I don't have to wear any label I don't want to. Also, the people who know the difference, and know me, are my only concern. Not people on the internet who don't like what I say or how I think. (I'm not talking about you, Z). I'm an SB, and a hooker. I do each differently and have no shame.
~Chinarose
Not any more!
So any post is fair game till someone hits the "report a post" and often times it comes down...check with Serpius...he's an expert on letting TER know about posts he doesn't like.
And I think you're a bit short sighted on how many here have and do play in "sugarland". It's different for each player...as you've babbled.
I wouldn't play the way you're playing...and haven't. But then again I don't have the need to bloviate about my faux accomplishments as you seem to need to.
To each their own...Happy New Year's and hope you finally find some hooker that works for you. And that you can afford her
I'm glad that the TER mods are open-minded enough to allow the Sugarland posts. Several guys & gals on this site are also active in the SD/SB world. regards, --z
-- Modified on 12/29/2012 2:40:37 PMPray tell why?
Hey...send her over. I'm guessing she is either sb4 or sb6. That spinning head thing must be great.
And I'm not a cheap john like you...I'll actually pay the hooker
Not any more! So any post is fair game till someone hits the "report a post" --snip--
Typically any reference to what the TER mods consider a competing site will be taken down. That's why I didn't specify the SD/SB site, since it 'may' be considered a competing site. But as I stated earlier, most of the major SD/SB sites are easily found via a google search. In your case, you don't need an SD/SB site. You need an exorcist. --z
Thanks to all who followed these Sugarland threads. I hope they've been helpful for you guys (and gals) who are considering a vacation to Sugarland. Since I'm as guilty as any guy about bragging-on-the-board, let's start with a rejection.
Rejection #2: Right before Thanksgiving. I meet SBx at a local Indian restaurant. She's a stunning blonde, 9/10 scale. (Note on my rating scale: unless I bed Sasha Grey, you'll never see a 10/10 rating from me). SBx has long cascading blonde hair, a tight frame snug in a red winter sweater, jeans & leather boots (oh yeah!). I'm also in jeans, black v-neck & wool sports jacket.
The lunch goes well, she's friendly & we have many common interests regarding books and films. We agree to meet again next weekend. 30 minutes after our departure, she sends a text about how much she enjoyed the lunch. Honestly dudes, I'm already envisioning bedding her on Date #2. Then two days later, she sends a long text message about how I'm married & this would be a dishonest relationship. I reply that I'm always honest about disclosing my marital status & she shouldn't assume other men will be so forthcoming. Dead silence on her end. I wonder to myself why someone would look for an 'honest relationship' on an SD/SB site. Maybe I just got played. Rejection #2, how does it taste? Bitter.
Success: After Thanksgiving, the karma wheel turns. Two SBs hit me up for a BCD arrangement before I dare to mention it. The two: SB5-HotLatina (8/10 scale) & SB6-Vampira (8/10 scale). After taking both BCD, I start a new 'arrangement' with SB5-HotLatina at $400 a throw (BCD once a week + lunch/dinner afterwards).
SB5-HotLatina is 24 & amazingly toned, like female-tennis-pro fit. She never gets tired and our sessions always end the same way: I crash with exhaustion. Game-Set-Match to SB5-HotLatina. She's a sweet, wonderful girl & will make someone a great wife one day (I say this without sarcasm).
I didn't contact SB6-Vampira again. We had terrible sex and it was my fault. SB5-HotLatina burned me to the ground earlier that day. But the following week, I get a heart-rending text from SB6:
SB6: If I did something wrong, I hope you will give me a second chance.
Z: You did nothing wrong, the chemistry just wasn't right, sorry.
Note to self: You're a heel. I'll never bed two SBs in one day again. Then last week, I hear from the Ghost-of-Christmas-Past. The spectacular 20-year-old SB4 (9/10 scale) sends the text below.
SB4: Any chance we can get back together?
Dear lord, I thought I was happy. I dropped SB4 (a stunning brunette) two months ago for being in love with her cell & ignoring me. But now SB4 texts a radioactively hot photo and I zoom it: She's gloriously naked. Good grief and Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown.
The next day: Z + SB4 + cheap hotel room = Sleazy Makeup Sex. This is short-term fun, but long-term financial disaster. I can't afford arrangements with both SB4 and SB5. My current half-baked plan is to switch between SB4 & SB5 every other week. We'll see.
Rejection #2: Right before Thanksgiving. I meet SBx at a local Indian restaurant. She's a stunning blonde, 9/10 scale. (Note on my rating scale: unless I bed Sasha Grey, you'll never see a 10/10 rating from me). SBx has long cascading blonde hair, a tight frame snug in a red winter sweater, jeans & leather boots (oh yeah!). I'm also in jeans, black v-neck & wool sports jacket.
The lunch goes well, she's friendly & we have many common interests regarding books and films. We agree to meet again next weekend. 30 minutes after our departure, she sends a text about how much she enjoyed the lunch. Honestly dudes, I'm already envisioning bedding her on Date #2. Then two days later, she sends a long text message about how I'm married & this would be a dishonest relationship. I reply that I'm always honest about disclosing my marital status & she shouldn't assume other men will be so forthcoming. Dead silence on her end. I wonder to myself why someone would look for an 'honest relationship' on an SD/SB site. Maybe I just got played. Rejection #2, how does it taste? Bitter.
Success: After Thanksgiving, the karma wheel turns. Two SBs hit me up for a BCD arrangement before I dare to mention it. The two: SB5-HotLatina (8/10 scale) & SB6-Vampira (8/10 scale). After taking both BCD, I start a new 'arrangement' with SB5-HotLatina at $400 a throw (BCD once a week + lunch/dinner afterwards).
SB5-HotLatina is 24 & amazingly toned, like female-tennis-pro fit. She never gets tired and our sessions always end the same way: I crash with exhaustion. Game-Set-Match to SB5-HotLatina. She's a sweet, wonderful girl & will make someone a great wife one day (I say this without sarcasm).
I didn't contact SB6-Vampira again. We had terrible sex and it was my fault. SB5-HotLatina burned me to the ground earlier that day. But the following week, I get a heart-rending text from SB6:
SB6: If I did something wrong, I hope you will give me a second chance.
Z: You did nothing wrong, the chemistry just wasn't right, sorry.
Note to self: You're a heel. I'll never bed two SBs in one day again. Then last week, I hear from the Ghost-of-Christmas-Past. The spectacular 20-year-old SB4 (9/10 scale) sends the text below.
SB4: Any chance we can get back together?
Dear lord, I thought I was happy. I dropped SB4 (a stunning brunette) two months ago for being in love with her cell & ignoring me. But now SB4 texts a radioactively hot photo and I zoom it: She's gloriously naked. Good grief and Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown.
The next day: Z + SB4 + cheap hotel room = Sleazy Makeup Sex. This is short-term fun, but long-term financial disaster. I can't afford arrangements with both SB4 and SB5. My current half-baked plan is to switch between SB4 & SB5 every other week. We'll see.
The statement above is true. And I'm not surprised that SB-Rose sees it clearly
I respect you for admitting that you're approaching the sugar bowl in that way. If you find a true SB (and not a disguise escort or wet behind the ears girl), I hope that you will give her the courtesy of letting her know you're looking for a more sexually based arrangement. Not traditional sugar.Yes, in theory sugar should ONLY be NSA.
But I've found that true sugar relationships fall into this horrible grey area.
I respect the way you do the sugar bowl, it just isn't the way I'm used to it. My first SD ended our relationship because I am from a poor social class. He was not self made and was from a very old guard background. Our sex was just fine, but blue blood manners are something you have to be raised with, not taught in later years, so socially it difficult for him to be with me. Understandable. We're all entitled to play the way we please, but in my experience, true sugar relationships are not *sex for money* at the root of it (even though SB's are still in the sex industry).
I think true sugar advertises itself as NSA, but is emotionally complex. (which is the only thing I really really don't like). That's why escorting is fun for me. It isn't anything like I could have with SD1 or SD2. My business can give SB type service, but for a defined period of time. TRUE NSA. I weave a fanatsy for us, for either a day or a week, but when it is over, we return to our lives. My SD's are a part of my life. The only time I see my SD's in hotels is if we are traveling. They either come to my house, or I have been to theirs. If they have a bad day, they call and I am there, if possible. Vice versa.
Either way, being an SB or being an Escort, I love being a sex worker and a paid companion. I'm sure there are more traditional SD's out there who also like to be hobbyists sometimes and not engage in sugar. SD1 probably sees escorts when I'm not with him on business trips! Cake and eat it too, I say.
You're on firmer ground here. The hobby & sugarland are both P4P activities that are closely related but not identical. The differences are subtle & complex, but they do exist.
We agree here. Vive la différence!@CS
You can think it's lame. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But there is a difference, and those that see it like to discuss it.
You can start a thread about something you want to talk about, if you want. If it interests me, I'll comment on it.
I think we should all just ignore the posts we don't like, and comment on the ones that interest us.