How do you decide if a provider's rate is fair?  
Do you have certain characteristics that are worth more money?  
IS age a factor?
Location?
Fake or real?
Pretty face, body
break it down for me!

If you are GFE, do BBBJ , you are attractive to me and I can afford your donation, I'm happy.  I don't look at you as a commodity .
Now, that's what gets me in the door. What gets me to cum back has to do with visual, personality and sexual chemistry. If you rock my world in those three, I'm definitely cumming back.

over 50 service trumps appearance.  The only factor you mention that would be a consideration for me is age.  I prefer 30-40, but many here like them younger.  However, as Mick says, the menu is more important, and we get that info more from reviews than from ads or a website.  For me, GFE/DFK, DATY, BBBJ w/CIM option are the important ones.  If her ad says "open-minded" I will usually pass as that is most often a euphemism for BBFS.  I will not see a provider who offers BBFS to every swinging dick who walks through the door.  

You now speak for "most" guys over fifty? Was there an election I missed? Lol.
And then girls who claim they are "open minded" are telling the johns to keep the rubbers in their pocket? Lol. You are hysterical.  
Wait a second. Are you one of those guys that has to get the first appointment of the day too so you don't get sloppy seconds? Lol.  
You have NO way of knowing what girls do, or dont do, BBFS, by something as innocuous as using "open minded" in their ad, but being familiar with your posts here, I am sure you will stick to your uneducated "logic" and argue the point to the death.  Carry on board pinata, carry on. Lol.  

Learn something new every day. I thought open minded meant more fetish stuff. Holy crap! Still new and learning, what’s the difference between PSE and Greek?

Part 1: If we haven't met
Do you have certain characteristics that are worth more money?  Yes. Pretty face (real unblurred pics including selfies and video) great body (natural, thin/spinner), age, certain ethnicities (there just aren't enough hot East Indian providers!)
IS age a factor? Yes. I don't care how good she looks "FOR HER AGE" I'm not paying the same rate for a provider in her 40s as I might for 26-34.  
Location? I expect a nice, clean, safe incall no matter what. No motels or apartments in crappy neighborhoods. As the price goes up I expect the quality of the hotel to go up too.  

and have seen over 600 providers.  I have had some hookers as real life girlfriends.  I know at least 30 bookers that write the ads for their girls.  I've spent nine years collecting information from industry insiders.  I think I know what I'm talking about.  That term only means it is available on a YMMV basis.  Many girls have put it in their ads, and then when they start getting asked for BBFS, they realize they made a mistake and take it out.  It happens in LA to one or two new girls a week.  Open-minded USED to mean CIM was available.  Now it means more.  There are certain words and phrases commonly used in sex advertising to convey things.  This is one of them.    When are you going to see your first provider and write a review?  Or are you just all talk and no action?

When are you going to get me that ticker symbol?

Perfect Storm needs to find a much "higher horse" for him to fall from next time.

I was worried you were out there getting your ass kicked trying to negotiate  extra pickles with food eservers.  

I think next we'll have to put the high horse on top of a mountain or skyscraper.

THIS is a high horse.

Why doesn't that surprise me  

That's much more fitting than yesterday's feeble attempt.

to "negotiate" today for extra mayo on your sandwich you had to end up speaking with the manager.  

Work harder and one day you'll be able to apply for manager.

I said the same thing about guys over 50 on the LA board some time ago, and about a dozen guys concurred.  If service is only a priority for us California guys, then I apologize for lumping everyone in together.  Some things are evidently not universal, but rather, regional.  

I don't think mayo is in the dipping sauce. They have a couple of places in LA if you haven't tried the beef sandwich.

the waffle house?  Why do you care how many friends I have.  Its really none of your business.  No need to be jealous.  I'm guessing the waffle house is a low end eating place, and not surprised you were inside mistaking someone for me.  So what did you negotiate for?  An extra sausage?  Oops, double entendre.  

... First, are you someone I'd like to meet, based on your profile, photos, and reviews (and board persona, if you have one)?  I have certain preferences, such as age (I prefer 40+, but sometimes go younger), body type ("fit"), services, and personality.  
Second, if you're someone I think I'd enjoy meeting, are you available to me?  I don't travel much and thus prefer local ladies or at least frequent visitors, so repeats are possible if we hit it off.
Third, do I think your rates are in the ballpark for the market?  Where I live, many top-notch providers are in the $300-400/hour range.  If you're much above that, you'll have to be truly exceptional for me to decide to ask you for a date.

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and I feel that the price is the most I can afford, then that is a fair price.

So don't take his work on culinary matters too seriously, if he loves that glop.

is where neither side likes it that much, but both sides can live with it.  

The problem is that you don't see American escorts unless they are Asian. You are primarily an AAMP guy. I am well aware that lots of AAMP girls offer BBFS and may have their own code words. Much of what you say is just not applicable to non-Asian/ non-AAMP escorts.  

Well said ,and on point.....let the Congregation say Amen.

...California guys?"    "...about a dozen..."  Prove it.  Haven't you learned anything from speaking for all over 50 guys?  You sure aren't speaking for me.  Let's see the posts of these "dozen" guys.  I'm sure I'll be waiting for that link as long as Dr. Who has been waiting for that ticker symbol.

Like GFE, PSE and many other terms it means different things to different people.  In other words, it means nothing.

Where's the link to where I said "all."  I'll be waiting.  

There are many variables, but the main is knowing what price is in my sandbox or wheel house. From there her pics, reviews, distance, and menu all factor into it.

What a lot of ladies dont get it seems is the idea of repeat business. You could get a guy to see you once with misrepresentation of age, weight and looks. And if it's not close they probably will not be back.  

I was talking about the money ONLY.  Lol

I don't really have a determination. If I find you attractive, you are GFE, and you have decent reviews and you're in my budget, I will consider seeing you. Define "fair". It's not up to me as an individual to determine what a provider's "fair" rate. Age isn't a factor for me. Sexy is sexy to me. Location really isn't a factor to me, though I know if I ever go to Vegas or the next time I go to NYC (provider I used to see who discounted her rate for previous clients has retired for now) I'll have to raise my budget. Fake/real boobs doesn't matter to me either.

Translated or untranslated French, in Colorado means CBJ or BBBJ elsewhere.  

First, there is no such thing as a "fair" rate.   There is only what the market will bear.    

...of why you can't count.  You said I have "...nearly a dozen whitelistings..."  Try counting again, but this time use ALL your fingers and toes.  Or get a squad of math guys to go along with your tech guys.  You also couldn't figure out how many years I've been a member of TER.  Sad!

He claims PSE is the same as BBFS, he has countless posts on the K-Girl and other boards admonishing people for looking for BBFS when what they posted asking about PSE.

Look ignorant when you talk about the LA market when you don't hobby there.  There have been plenty of posts from others corroborating what's going on there with BBFS.  The CV SF board has ads advertising BBFS as PSE.  I didn't invent it, just reporting what's going on.  No need to make it personal just because you don't like the message. Things are different out here. We even have paved roads.  Lol

Hooey shows up here, you start remembering him with his pants around his ankles, and your brain goes soft.  Still waiting for the link, Mr. big time archivist.  I was going from memory about your whitelisting from a few months ago.  I didn't check it this time.  You're simply not important enough.  No matter what the number, and even adding your whopping three reviews, its still a pitiful showing for 13 years of trolling the boards peppered with a little bit of hobbying.  Going by the numbers, you're still a relative Newbie.  

I did find a couple of posts where you said this on the LA board (and you've said it a LOT of times on other boards) but there aren't any times where anywhere close to a dozen guys concurred.

I have never heard of that euphemism.  I consider myself to be open minded and that in NO WAY is an indication of bbfs, as that is just plain idiotic.  

Once again you are talking about AAMPs not escorts. That's the problem.

He has such disparate parties as you, me, DR Who, BPS, Jake, Mick, Steph and everyone else on this thread agreeing with each other to disagree with him.

any of my posts on this topic that I wasn't referring to AAMP's.  However, there are many touring indies that are put off about coming to LA because the local mongers are pressuring EVERY provider for BBFS, not just the AAMP girls, but I agree with OTM, that's where it started.  An indie provider even confirmed as much recently on the Kgirl board, that the BBFS problem is ONE of the reasons she has put off coming to LA.  

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because it took me back to a woman I dated years ago that was a bit shy and just couldn't refer to her girl parts as a pussy.  She called it a Hoo-Hah.  So when I read this, it entered my mind as Doc Pussy.  

Thanks for the great responses to this! I appreciate it!

I've found over the years that I have some general tendencies but no hard and fast rules. Because of my life situation and available money I can't do this too often, maybe 1-3 times a month.

John, thanks for that. Lots of thoughtful replies.  
So, this might be a stupid question but it's not obvious to me who gets more and why. you say you wouldn't pay more for an older provider. Is that to say looks  are way more important than skill or maybe I'm assuming older providers will be better skilled. Maybe that's not even true these days, especially. I guess it's like an athlete, their value goes down as their body ages. Hummm thoughts on that?

Best not to base your rate on things like age or body type unless you feel you need to.  Look at the ladies in your area and see who charges the most and who charges the least and pick a rate you feel comfortable with.  Most importantly don't let clients tell you what you should charge!!  There are plenty out there trying to get service for as low as possible!

Greek is one factor of PSE....

Well you don't know me and you don't speak for me, and I bet that goes for most of us.

I compare similar services and looks and ratings among many providers to see what seems fair. For me, kissing, bbbj and a warm personality are worth more. Age is not a factor. Location doesn't matter. Fake or real doesn't matter. Yes, more physically attractive seems to relate to higher rates, which makes sense. Ultimately, if a provider has good reviews than the higher price is fair. If a provider has few or less reviews, then pretty body would be a determining factor.

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...  your post made me smile.

To get on my "to do" list:
Pics give me a hard-on.
Reviews confirm CIM available.
Price 300 or less unless the pics give me sweet dreams and a hard-on all night...then maybe 400.

I have budget and I stick to it. Everything else on your list must be within the budget, period.