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Sugarland: Truth in Advertising
Zangari 2422 reads
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I recently came across an advertisement for an SD/SB website and I laughed at some of the claims being made.  I won't mention the site, but I'll list the ad's claims in CAPS with my comments following:  

1. A SUGAR BABY IS YOURS ALONE!

 I love this claim, I really do.  But I still believe in Santa, don't you?  

2.  MOST ESCORTS SEE 5 TO 10 GUYS THE SAME DAY BEFORE THEY SEE YOU.  

 Just take a seat in the hotel lobby, Client #11.  You've got a long wait.  I hope you brought a Russian novel to help you pass the time.  

3.  SUGAR BABIES DON'T ASK FOR A LOT.

Let's see..what have my SBs hit me up for...While I recite this, you might put on some holiday music, like The 12 Days of Christmas.  Ready, here we go:

Cash + car battery & alternator, rent, microwave oven, iPhone, Chanel #5, throw carpet, & a partridge in a pear tree.  

4.  WHY SPEND $300 FOR JUST AN HOUR?  AFTER AN ESCORT LEAVES, NOTHING LASTING IS LEFT BEHIND.  

I'm not sure I want anything "lasting" left behind, because I don't like taking antibiotics.  
 
5.  A SUGAR BABY WILL COST YOU LESS THAN AN ESCORT

 If you're a "one hour guy", then an escort is way cheaper.  But if you often book multi-hour sessions with a provider, then an SB is cheaper.  So it depends.  

YOUR SUGAR BABY WILL DO ANYTHING TO KEEP YOU HAPPY

The man who wrote this knows nothing about women.  

YOUR SUGAR BABY WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A KING...FOR A CHANGE

 I'm still waiting for my crown.  But one thing is true--if you can give up instant gratification, then sex with a top-tier SB is usually better & I'll tell you why:

1.  An SB chooses you.
2.  She already knows & trusts you before you bed her.  
3.  She's selective, so she wants to keep you around.  



 







Dr Who revived759 reads

I was born in 1847 and when I was about 25 years old I met a guy on the wagon train heading to California who was selling something called "Dr. Uranus elixir".  He promised me that if I drank a bottle of it every day I would live to be 166 years old.

So far so good...but not so sure about next year  :D

Glad you like the SD/sb route.  Way too much work for me, as I like them to go about their own business when time is up.  And I don't need to get those phone calls for rent, auto repairs, new phones and all the other crap that goes along with it.

But others like that...need that.  And there's enough hookers out there who offer it as well!

Just don't let them call you a john...you're not.  And they're not a hooker either  :D

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Youngstnick514 reads

Thank our CPA once more for explaining the simple truth, in a somewhat humorous way no less.
How is it anybody spends more than one or two dates in this hobby without figuring that truth out?
You are not paying anybody to sleep with you.  You are paying them to leave when it's over.  SB is that opposite of that goal.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
I was born in 1847 and when I was about 25 years old I met a guy on the wagon train heading to California who was selling something called "Dr. Uranus elixir".  He promised me that if I drank a bottle of it every day I would live to be 166 years old.

So far so good...but not so sure about next year  :D

Glad you like the SD/sb route.  Way too much work for me, as I like them to go about their own business when time is up.  And I don't need to get those phone calls for rent, auto repairs, new phones and all the other crap that goes along with it.

But others like that...need that.  And there's enough hookers out there who offer it as well!

Just don't let them call you a john...you're not.  And they're not a hooker either  :D

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SinCitySinner750 reads

If you go to Thailand and Philippines, even in India, you will get plenty of women who will let you impregnate them for just few bushels of rice. Most of these women got boyfriends and husbands who are extremely promiscuous, and for a lack of a better word, just deadbeats. If you treat them properly, you can have a long term, meaningful SD/SB relationship with them.

Last time I was in Asia, I impregnated one woman. I am leaving for Asia tomorrow, and plan to impregnate at least two more.

Who wants to come to Asia with me and experience true nirvana !!!!

Now, I better hit the bed as I have an early plane... :D

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Dr Who revived616 reads

Considering my advanced age you would think I'd need vitamin V to fuck those hookers.  But Doc Uranus was ahead of his time and I get the boner of a 25 yo.  Good news for those hookers who are so worried about my health.

Wouldn't matter as they figure I'm a goner next year anyhow!

And since I'm a Mayan advocate I guess it won't matter in a few days anyhow.

So bareback fucking for all. :D

Can I sit between Udo and aces on the plane?

Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan
If you go to Thailand and Philippines, even in India, you will get plenty of women who will let you impregnate them for just few bushels of rice. Most of these women got boyfriends and husbands who are extremely promiscuous, and for a lack of a better word, just deadbeats. If you treat them properly, you can have a long term, meaningful SD/SB relationship with them.

Last time I was in Asia, I impregnated one woman. I am leaving for Asia tomorrow, and plan to impregnate at least two more.

Who wants to come to Asia with me and experience true nirvana !!!!

Now, I better hit the bed as I have an early plane... :D

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Dr Who revived544 reads

Oh yea...they're the same thing.

Except in those parts of the galaxy where those gas giants reside  :D

BTW...it's an extra $ 500 for Greek...Unless I'm in my Achille's persona  LOL

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SinCitySinner485 reads

In Asia, especially Thailand and Philippines, even in Malaysia, you can buy an army of hookers at that price.

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Dr Who revived505 reads

I don't advertise anywhere...I only see considerate hookers...I don't review...

All I do is troll on here babbling my inspirational nonsense explaining that no one understands (well, except  for one or two other delusional posters) that I am NOT a hooker.  

And you know that I'm working on my additional 5 degrees...should have those done shortly  :D

A big Merry Christmas to you Curly man...and Hanukkah Harry says "Hey" as well.

Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan
In Asia, especially Thailand and Philippines, even in Malaysia, you can buy an army of hookers at that price.

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Bohemian_Luxury536 reads

As an SB, I NEVER call my SD to ask for things. I don't know what kind of "top tier" SD's you are seeing.
Also, I've never met an SB who compares her companionship to escort services. Two different worlds, boo.
I treat both SD1 and SD2 like kings, so again...I don't know who you're seeing.
I would say that seeing an SB if you're a real SD is more expensive...because I count all the time my SD's spend mentoring me on my education and career as "compensation".

I will agree that the emotional investment is high, but it's not the "exact" opposite of an escort. Most sugar relationships are what I call, a long term NSA. We associate with each other until it doesn't suit us anymore. When SD1 is having a rough day at work, he calls me and I talk him through it.

Regardless. I like BOTH the sugar bowl and the hobby world. They both are very different, but are a lot of fun. Also, very interesting anthropologically.

I like being a sugar for fun and it's more emotionally satisfying, but being an escort in secret makes me feel sexier.

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Posted By: ChinaRose
I treat both SD1 and SD2 like kings, so again...I don't know who you're seeing.
Not sure what you mean here about treating these men like "Kings".  If I remember your previous posts, you don't have sex with SD2.  I'm reminded of that Seals & Croft song, "The King of Nothing".  
Posted By: ChinaRose
I like being a sugar for fun and it's more emotionally satisfying, but being an escort in secret makes me feel sexier.
Rose, I think this point undermines your previous statement about treating your SDs like "kings".  You're banging anonymous Johns but you don't have sex with SD2.  So let's take this "king" talk off the table.  I doubt your 'secret' will last too long.  My guess is SD1 will find out soon. If he's paying you for sex (and he is), then he's already well acquainted with the sex trade.  If he hasn't seen your provider ad/profile yet, he soon will.  regards,  --z

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mnjohnny247424 reads

......No sex??  You have an SD that gets no sex??  WTF??   Does he have a physical problem that prevents him from having sex?  If he is a healthy male and is paying a young hottie SB and not getting laid, he sure as hell has some kind of a problem, IMHO of course!

Posted By: Zangari
Posted By: ChinaRose
I treat both SD1 and SD2 like kings, so again...I don't know who you're seeing.
Not sure what you mean here about treating these men like "Kings".  If I remember your previous posts, you don't have sex with SD2.  I'm reminded of that Seals & Croft song, "The King of Nothing".  
Posted By: ChinaRose
I like being a sugar for fun and it's more emotionally satisfying, but being an escort in secret makes me feel sexier.
Rose, I think this point undermines your previous statement about treating your SDs like "kings".  You're banging anonymous Johns but you don't have sex with SD2.  So let's take this "king" talk off the table.  I doubt your 'secret' will last too long.  My guess is SD1 will find out soon. If he's paying you for sex (and he is), then he's already well acquainted with the sex trade.  If he hasn't seen your provider ad/profile yet, he soon will.  regards,  --z
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Bohemian_Luxury507 reads

SD2 Doesn't want sex with me, so...
If he did, he would have tried to initiate intimacy with me. He may have someone else that has sex with him, but he clearly doesn't doesn't want it from me.

SD1 isn't paying me for sex, so....I'm not sure what you mean. The way you are an SD, isn't the way everyone does it.

Posted By: Zangari
Posted By: ChinaRose
I treat both SD1 and SD2 like kings, so again...I don't know who you're seeing.
Not sure what you mean here about treating these men like "Kings".  If I remember your previous posts, you don't have sex with SD2.  I'm reminded of that Seals & Croft song, "The King of Nothing".  
Posted By: ChinaRose
I like being a sugar for fun and it's more emotionally satisfying, but being an escort in secret makes me feel sexier.
Rose, I think this point undermines your previous statement about treating your SDs like "kings".  You're banging anonymous Johns but you don't have sex with SD2.  So let's take this "king" talk off the table.  I doubt your 'secret' will last too long.  My guess is SD1 will find out soon. If he's paying you for sex (and he is), then he's already well acquainted with the sex trade.  If he hasn't seen your provider ad/profile yet, he soon will.  regards,  --z

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Dr Who revived521 reads

If it walks like a duck
If it quacks like a duck

It's a duck  :D

Except for those hookers who don't want to be realistic...like you  :D

Posted By: ChinaRose
As an SB, I NEVER call my SD to ask for things. I don't know what kind of "top tier" SD's you are seeing.
Also, I've never met an SB who compares her companionship to escort services. Two different worlds, boo.
I treat both SD1 and SD2 like kings, so again...I don't know who you're seeing.
I would say that seeing an SB if you're a real SD is more expensive...because I count all the time my SD's spend mentoring me on my education and career as "compensation".

I will agree that the emotional investment is high, but it's not the "exact" opposite of an escort. Most sugar relationships are what I call, a long term NSA. We associate with each other until it doesn't suit us anymore. When SD1 is having a rough day at work, he calls me and I talk him through it.

Regardless. I like BOTH the sugar bowl and the hobby world. They both are very different, but are a lot of fun. Also, very interesting anthropologically.

I like being a sugar for fun and it's more emotionally satisfying, but being an escort in secret makes me feel sexier.

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London Rayne501 reads

I do both to be quite honest, as each has its own set of rewards and benefits. I can call my SD any time I want, for just about anything I want and they are happy to provide it...can't do that with an escort client, because it's tacky.

I also know everything about my SDs, and they me. There are really no boundaries like here in the escort world other than common respect. You do spend a lot of time with a SD...and I mean A LOT of time, for less money, but it is guaranteed money so it evens out.

Most SBs are also escorts now and then....when? Um, when the damn rent is due or they need books again lol. Anyone thinking an escort can see 5-10 guys a day on average, is a dumb ass and no one I would ever consider intelligent enough to even fk. If she is that stupid, she is probably also NOT in school, but buying bs with the money she claims is for college expenses.

Even before I was a provider, the thought of x amount of men per day never crossed my mind, other than with what I had seen street walkers exhibit on TV. I had always pictured an escort being more of someone who went out to parties, business functions, etc. with the night ending in sex, but never doing that even twice in a day.



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Bohemian_Luxury527 reads

The hostility on this board is amazing.
Not all sugar babes escort. In the higher end of the sugar world, it is ridiculously frowned upon. I don't sare that sentiment, obviously.

So, I'm unrealistic just because I don't do my sugar relationships the way some do, or I don't escort the way others do?

I am a sugar baby and I work as a hooker on the side.  I don't get what the issue is.

Because I don't have sex with one of my SD, because I actually understand the history of sex work and paid entertainment, I'm unrealistic?

Because I have the audacity to see the layers and dimensions to sex work, I get snarky comments here.

*sigh*

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Dr Who revived510 reads

Is what most here seem to see fit to use for fodder.

Hooker...prostitute...sugar baby...courtesan   Whatever you want to call yourself or be called is in essence all the same in ALL of those worlds (and to have some sb think she isn't a hooker...absolutely fucking hilarious...what narcissism).  Sex for Money (in whatever forms) is the common denominator.  

I have NO issues that some johns don't want/need sex from a hooker.  I also have no issues that some johns want circus sex.  Or that the hookers want to be seen as "high class" escorts.

None of that is a problem as I see it.  But when any johnnie boy or hooker wants to paint that they are somehow NOT really what they truly are...that's just asinine.

And you are a hooker...or sugar baby..or courtesan.  All the same from my POV.

But if you're trying to get others to buy into your bullshit and narcissism...then go for it.  There's always going to be some that are indeed mesmerized and lose sight of the world(s) that we are playing in.

Posted By: ChinaRose
The hostility on this board is amazing.
Not all sugar babes escort. In the higher end of the sugar world, it is ridiculously frowned upon. I don't sare that sentiment, obviously.

So, I'm unrealistic just because I don't do my sugar relationships the way some do, or I don't escort the way others do?

I am a sugar baby and I work as a hooker on the side.  I don't get what the issue is.

Because I don't have sex with one of my SD, because I actually understand the history of sex work and paid entertainment, I'm unrealistic?

Because I have the audacity to see the layers and dimensions to sex work, I get snarky comments here.

*sigh*

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Bohemian_Luxury401 reads

I don't think that I see a distinction between sugars and hookers is "holier than thou". I think the sugar bowl is different from the hobby world. It isn't narcissism. It is just how I see it.
If you don't see the distinction, that ok. I do, and my SD's do. And that's cool too.
I've never tried to get anyone to believe anything. I just stated what I felt and you didn't like it.
My SD2 gives me money to just spend time with him. and here that is looked as a negative. I don't get why because it is not what you guys would do, I even get flak for mentioning it.

I do my sugar and hooking world differently. Not better than the way you do it, or worse. Just different. That isn't holier than thou.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Is what most here seem to see fit to use for fodder.

Hooker...prostitute...sugar baby...courtesan   Whatever you want to call yourself or be called is in essence all the same in ALL of those worlds (and to have some sb think she isn't a hooker...absolutely fucking hilarious...what narcissism).  Sex for Money (in whatever forms) is the common denominator.  

I have NO issues that some johns don't want/need sex from a hooker.  I also have no issues that some johns want circus sex.  Or that the hookers want to be seen as "high class" escorts.

None of that is a problem as I see it.  But when any johnnie boy or hooker wants to paint that they are somehow NOT really what they truly are...that's just asinine.

And you are a hooker...or sugar baby..or courtesan.  All the same from my POV.

But if you're trying to get others to buy into your bullshit and narcissism...then go for it.  There's always going to be some that are indeed mesmerized and lose sight of the world(s) that we are playing in.
Posted By: ChinaRose
The hostility on this board is amazing.
Not all sugar babes escort. In the higher end of the sugar world, it is ridiculously frowned upon. I don't sare that sentiment, obviously.

So, I'm unrealistic just because I don't do my sugar relationships the way some do, or I don't escort the way others do?

I am a sugar baby and I work as a hooker on the side.  I don't get what the issue is.

Because I don't have sex with one of my SD, because I actually understand the history of sex work and paid entertainment, I'm unrealistic?

Because I have the audacity to see the layers and dimensions to sex work, I get snarky comments here.

*sigh*

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Also,

seeing as SOME (not all) SD's don't have or want sex from their SB's, I think it does put the sugar bowl apart from the hobby world. What you're assuming is that I see one as "higher" than the other. Which I do not. SOME SD's look down upon escorts as they see sugar babies as cut from a different cloth. I don't agree with that. Do i think both types of providers give different services, hell yeah. Do I think one is better than the other? No, no I don't.

Like I've said and continue to say, I enjoy and participate in both worlds.

Until I say "anyone who engages in some type of paid companionship is a hooker, period". You folks will always take issue with what I say. Why not just disagree with me?

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…..that I don't understand how you reach some of your conclusions.  First of all we are two generations removed from one and another.  I was playing in both the sugar bowl and this hobby long before you were born.  ChinaRose, I know that you fancy yourself as a historian of geisha and the courtesan life, but my comments apply to the contemporary aspects of P4P.   Of course the idea of P4P in all of its forms is as old as mankind.  Back in the day hot young women who wanted to hook up with wealthy men were simply called  gold-diggers (and fiancees) if the man was over 40 and had money.   Even when I was growing up in the 50s, mothers told their daughters to find a professional man to “take care” of them, of course they meant marry a rich guy.  I  find all this contortion to try and pigeon hole, sugar, hobby and marriage as different to be a little strange.  The hobby is on a bit of a different plane than sugar or marriage, in some cases marriage being a more (semi) permanent form of sugar.  Now before anybody jumps on my ass here, I am referring to the gold-digger marriage, not the bonding of co-equals (oh shit, can you tell I have had PC training?  Even when you own the damn company you have to go to those damn meetings  LOL).  I was actually surprised to read that you had a SD who did not want sex.  That is a WTF to me.  Why would a man who was successful need to PAY for having companionship in his life, in another words pay for someone to be his friend.  That is just sad, IMHO.  In over 40 tears whether it has been marriage, (and yes as I have posted here in the past I married a woman, yes a hooker that I had seen professionally.  OMG she was fkin hot but the reality was that no matter how much I “loved” her, if I didn't have money there is no fkin way in hell she would have spent one day with me).  Money has ALWAYS brought sex and at times genuine intimacy.  My current ATF is just a sweetheart and we enjoy every session including dinners and events, but it always ends with a hot BCD session.  Bottom line, oh yes I know there are some differences between sugar and the hobby.   Certainly in the sugar world the relationships are about more than sex and I realize they include travel and even mentoring (yep, have done that too),  But at the end of the day it is P4P and if someone wants to gloss that over, they can delude themselves all they want, but it does not change reality IMHO.  One other issue, in one of your previous posts ChinaRose, you wrote that high end sugars look down on escorts.  Yeah, they do but it is complete BS.  These so called “high end” girls think that men should pay thousands just to be in the same room with them...and ya know where they get that idea?  From men who are also in love with themselves and have boatloads of money to lavish on the spoiled brats.  The whole thing is a bit pathetic for my taste and the folks who play in the “high end” deserve each other (ah yes, spoken like a former high end player who was pathetic at one time...ROFLMAO).





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Dr Who revived470 reads

I don't frequent the young kids that many others like to play with for the reasons you expound on.

Way too immature..know everything with no experiences to support this.

Hopefully some nice old man will take this young kid under his wing and teach her that life is far more complicated than she knows now.

And she'll look back in 5 years...or certainly 10 and realize that she knew nothing of which she thought.

Youth...too bad it's wasted on the young  :D

And yep...been down many paths with all different types of play in this wonderful world of P4P.

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Bohemian_Luxury430 reads

You know absolutely nothing about me, nor my life experiences.

It's sad how you guys react to someone who understands and sees differently than you.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
I don't frequent the young kids that many others like to play with for the reasons you expound on.

Way too immature..know everything with no experiences to support this.

Hopefully some nice old man will take this young kid under his wing and teach her that life is far more complicated than she knows now.

And she'll look back in 5 years...or certainly 10 and realize that she knew nothing of which she thought.

Youth...too bad it's wasted on the young  :D

And yep...been down many paths with all different types of play in this wonderful world of P4P.

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Bohemian_Luxury366 reads

And what do you say to those who pay for companionship without sex?

I don't fancy myself anything. If you care to share your historical knowledge of the oiran culture, please do so. It is something I am interested, not a historian of.

But it's futile to waste my brain cells and energy with men such as yourself. Your understanding of nuances is ludicrous.

Of course p4p will be the same to you across the board, because those have been your only experiences.

My experiences as a mistress, an SB, and now an escort (and I've been at this a while, though only 19.....think about it), have been different than yours.

We don't agree. Not because of my age, but because we have different experiences and understandings. So be it.

Posted By: mnjohnny247
…..that I don't understand how you reach some of your conclusions.  First of all we are two generations removed from one and another.  I was playing in both the sugar bowl and this hobby long before you were born.  ChinaRose, I know that you fancy yourself as a historian of geisha and the courtesan life, but my comments apply to the contemporary aspects of P4P.   Of course the idea of P4P in all of its forms is as old as mankind.  Back in the day hot young women who wanted to hook up with wealthy men were simply called  gold-diggers (and fiancees) if the man was over 40 and had money.   Even when I was growing up in the 50s, mothers told their daughters to find a professional man to “take care” of them, of course they meant marry a rich guy.  I  find all this contortion to try and pigeon hole, sugar, hobby and marriage as different to be a little strange.  The hobby is on a bit of a different plane than sugar or marriage, in some cases marriage being a more (semi) permanent form of sugar.  Now before anybody jumps on my ass here, I am referring to the gold-digger marriage, not the bonding of co-equals (oh shit, can you tell I have had PC training?  Even when you own the damn company you have to go to those damn meetings  LOL).  I was actually surprised to read that you had a SD who did not want sex.  That is a WTF to me.  Why would a man who was successful need to PAY for having companionship in his life, in another words pay for someone to be his friend.  That is just sad, IMHO.  In over 40 tears whether it has been marriage, (and yes as I have posted here in the past I married a woman, yes a hooker that I had seen professionally.  OMG she was fkin hot but the reality was that no matter how much I “loved” her, if I didn't have money there is no fkin way in hell she would have spent one day with me).  Money has ALWAYS brought sex and at times genuine intimacy.  My current ATF is just a sweetheart and we enjoy every session including dinners and events, but it always ends with a hot BCD session.  Bottom line, oh yes I know there are some differences between sugar and the hobby.   Certainly in the sugar world the relationships are about more than sex and I realize they include travel and even mentoring (yep, have done that too),  But at the end of the day it is P4P and if someone wants to gloss that over, they can delude themselves all they want, but it does not change reality IMHO.  One other issue, in one of your previous posts ChinaRose, you wrote that high end sugars look down on escorts.  Yeah, they do but it is complete BS.  These so called “high end” girls think that men should pay thousands just to be in the same room with them...and ya know where they get that idea?  From men who are also in love with themselves and have boatloads of money to lavish on the spoiled brats.  The whole thing is a bit pathetic for my taste and the folks who play in the “high end” deserve each other (ah yes, spoken like a former high end player who was pathetic at one time...ROFLMAO).





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mnjohnny247376 reads

....Really??  Wow, now that is quite a judgment statement and it happens to be dead wrong.  I thought you were a mature young woman, but this???  You also don't appear to understand my use of the word "fancy" which used in the context of our discussion means you are interested in the subject.  It is an historical based interest and you have posted about this several times, so now you are being dishonest AND nasty.   19 years old, wow that is impressive.  Let's see, hmmm I have been around the sex and sugar playground for over 35 years.  I have seen scores of beautiful women, married a provider, dated others (ok, MANY years ago), had many sugar babies and a few gold-diggers, built several successful business enterprises from the ground up that employed hundreds, so, yes,  obviously I have "limited"  experience regarding people, poor me.   CCPA is right about one thing, you need to "grow up", IMHO of course. FWIW, I took care NOT to insult in my earlier posting but apparently you like to take the gloves off, so be it.

Posted By: ChinaRose
And what do you say to those who pay for companionship without sex?

I don't fancy myself anything. If you care to share your historical knowledge of the oiran culture, please do so. It is something I am interested, not a historian of.

But it's futile to waste my brain cells and energy with men such as yourself. Your understanding of nuances is ludicrous.

Of course p4p will be the same to you across the board, because those have been your only experiences.

My experiences as a mistress, an SB, and now an escort (and I've been at this a while, though only 19.....think about it), have been different than yours.

We don't agree. Not because of my age, but because we have different experiences and understandings. So be it.
Posted By: mnjohnny247
…..that I don't understand how you reach some of your conclusions.  First of all we are two generations removed from one and another.  I was playing in both the sugar bowl and this hobby long before you were born.  ChinaRose, I know that you fancy yourself as a historian of geisha and the courtesan life, but my comments apply to the contemporary aspects of P4P.   Of course the idea of P4P in all of its forms is as old as mankind.  Back in the day hot young women who wanted to hook up with wealthy men were simply called  gold-diggers (and fiancees) if the man was over 40 and had money.   Even when I was growing up in the 50s, mothers told their daughters to find a professional man to “take care” of them, of course they meant marry a rich guy.  I  find all this contortion to try and pigeon hole, sugar, hobby and marriage as different to be a little strange.  The hobby is on a bit of a different plane than sugar or marriage, in some cases marriage being a more (semi) permanent form of sugar.  Now before anybody jumps on my ass here, I am referring to the gold-digger marriage, not the bonding of co-equals (oh shit, can you tell I have had PC training?  Even when you own the damn company you have to go to those damn meetings  LOL).  I was actually surprised to read that you had a SD who did not want sex.  That is a WTF to me.  Why would a man who was successful need to PAY for having companionship in his life, in another words pay for someone to be his friend.  That is just sad, IMHO.  In over 40 tears whether it has been marriage, (and yes as I have posted here in the past I married a woman, yes a hooker that I had seen professionally.  OMG she was fkin hot but the reality was that no matter how much I “loved” her, if I didn't have money there is no fkin way in hell she would have spent one day with me).  Money has ALWAYS brought sex and at times genuine intimacy.  My current ATF is just a sweetheart and we enjoy every session including dinners and events, but it always ends with a hot BCD session.  Bottom line, oh yes I know there are some differences between sugar and the hobby.   Certainly in the sugar world the relationships are about more than sex and I realize they include travel and even mentoring (yep, have done that too),  But at the end of the day it is P4P and if someone wants to gloss that over, they can delude themselves all they want, but it does not change reality IMHO.  One other issue, in one of your previous posts ChinaRose, you wrote that high end sugars look down on escorts.  Yeah, they do but it is complete BS.  These so called “high end” girls think that men should pay thousands just to be in the same room with them...and ya know where they get that idea?  From men who are also in love with themselves and have boatloads of money to lavish on the spoiled brats.  The whole thing is a bit pathetic for my taste and the folks who play in the “high end” deserve each other (ah yes, spoken like a former high end player who was pathetic at one time...ROFLMAO).





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Bohemian_Luxury450 reads

When someone uses the word "fancy", it has one meaning. The context didn't change it, and if that is not what you meant, you used the wrong word.

In terms of you having more experiences than I? You have 35 years of experience paying for attention from beautiful women.

Bravo.

Posted By: mnjohnny247
....Really??  Wow, now that is quite a judgment statement and it happens to be dead wrong.  I thought you were a mature young woman, but this???  You also don't appear to understand my use of the word "fancy" which used in the context of our discussion means you are interested in the subject.  It is an historical based interest and you have posted about this several times, so now you are being dishonest AND nasty.   19 years old, wow that is impressive.  Let's see, hmmm I have been around the sex and sugar playground for over 35 years.  I have seen scores of beautiful women, married a provider, dated others (ok, MANY years ago), had many sugar babies and a few gold-diggers, built several successful business enterprises from the ground up that employed hundreds, so, yes,  obviously I have "limited"  experience regarding people, poor me.   CCPA is right about one thing, you need to "grow up", IMHO of course. FWIW, I took care NOT to insult in my earlier posting but apparently you like to take the gloves off, so be it.
Posted By: ChinaRose
And what do you say to those who pay for companionship without sex?

I don't fancy myself anything. If you care to share your historical knowledge of the oiran culture, please do so. It is something I am interested, not a historian of.

But it's futile to waste my brain cells and energy with men such as yourself. Your understanding of nuances is ludicrous.

Of course p4p will be the same to you across the board, because those have been your only experiences.

My experiences as a mistress, an SB, and now an escort (and I've been at this a while, though only 19.....think about it), have been different than yours.

We don't agree. Not because of my age, but because we have different experiences and understandings. So be it.
Posted By: mnjohnny247
…..that I don't understand how you reach some of your conclusions.  First of all we are two generations removed from one and another.  I was playing in both the sugar bowl and this hobby long before you were born.  ChinaRose, I know that you fancy yourself as a historian of geisha and the courtesan life, but my comments apply to the contemporary aspects of P4P.   Of course the idea of P4P in all of its forms is as old as mankind.  Back in the day hot young women who wanted to hook up with wealthy men were simply called  gold-diggers (and fiancees) if the man was over 40 and had money.   Even when I was growing up in the 50s, mothers told their daughters to find a professional man to “take care” of them, of course they meant marry a rich guy.  I  find all this contortion to try and pigeon hole, sugar, hobby and marriage as different to be a little strange.  The hobby is on a bit of a different plane than sugar or marriage, in some cases marriage being a more (semi) permanent form of sugar.  Now before anybody jumps on my ass here, I am referring to the gold-digger marriage, not the bonding of co-equals (oh shit, can you tell I have had PC training?  Even when you own the damn company you have to go to those damn meetings  LOL).  I was actually surprised to read that you had a SD who did not want sex.  That is a WTF to me.  Why would a man who was successful need to PAY for having companionship in his life, in another words pay for someone to be his friend.  That is just sad, IMHO.  In over 40 tears whether it has been marriage, (and yes as I have posted here in the past I married a woman, yes a hooker that I had seen professionally.  OMG she was fkin hot but the reality was that no matter how much I “loved” her, if I didn't have money there is no fkin way in hell she would have spent one day with me).  Money has ALWAYS brought sex and at times genuine intimacy.  My current ATF is just a sweetheart and we enjoy every session including dinners and events, but it always ends with a hot BCD session.  Bottom line, oh yes I know there are some differences between sugar and the hobby.   Certainly in the sugar world the relationships are about more than sex and I realize they include travel and even mentoring (yep, have done that too),  But at the end of the day it is P4P and if someone wants to gloss that over, they can delude themselves all they want, but it does not change reality IMHO.  One other issue, in one of your previous posts ChinaRose, you wrote that high end sugars look down on escorts.  Yeah, they do but it is complete BS.  These so called “high end” girls think that men should pay thousands just to be in the same room with them...and ya know where they get that idea?  From men who are also in love with themselves and have boatloads of money to lavish on the spoiled brats.  The whole thing is a bit pathetic for my taste and the folks who play in the “high end” deserve each other (ah yes, spoken like a former high end player who was pathetic at one time...ROFLMAO).





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Sinbadnu!509 reads

Hookers, escorts, hobbyists, (whore) mongers and one of the newer terms I particularly like : "PROVIDER." LOL!
All these subtle nuanced terms that mean the same: whore and whore monger; all in an effort to give ourselves a modicum of self respect. To somehow justify, or to make to seem acceptable or slightly less disagreeable, slightly less offensive that in which we indulge. Its known as rationalizing one's actions and behavior.

Posted By: ChgoCPA
Is what most here seem to see fit to use for fodder.

Hooker...prostitute...sugar baby...courtesan   Whatever you want to call yourself or be called is in essence all the same in ALL of those worlds (and to have some sb think she isn't a hooker...absolutely fucking hilarious...what narcissism).  Sex for Money (in whatever forms) is the common denominator.  

I have NO issues that some johns don't want/need sex from a hooker.  I also have no issues that some johns want circus sex.  Or that the hookers want to be seen as "high class" escorts.

None of that is a problem as I see it.  But when any johnnie boy or hooker wants to paint that they are somehow NOT really what they truly are...that's just asinine.

And you are a hooker...or sugar baby..or courtesan.  All the same from my POV.

But if you're trying to get others to buy into your bullshit and narcissism...then go for it.  There's always going to be some that are indeed mesmerized and lose sight of the world(s) that we are playing in.
Posted By: ChinaRose
The hostility on this board is amazing.
Not all sugar babes escort. In the higher end of the sugar world, it is ridiculously frowned upon. I don't sare that sentiment, obviously.

So, I'm unrealistic just because I don't do my sugar relationships the way some do, or I don't escort the way others do?

I am a sugar baby and I work as a hooker on the side.  I don't get what the issue is.

Because I don't have sex with one of my SD, because I actually understand the history of sex work and paid entertainment, I'm unrealistic?

Because I have the audacity to see the layers and dimensions to sex work, I get snarky comments here.

*sigh*

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Bohemian_Luxury361 reads

The names all have different meanings.
Some people are just too crass to see the differences. Which is ok.

Posted By: Sinbadnu!
Hookers, escorts, hobbyists, (whore) mongers and one of the newer terms I particularly like : "PROVIDER." LOL!
All these subtle nuanced terms that mean the same: whore and whore monger; all in an effort to give ourselves a modicum of self respect. To somehow justify, or to make to seem acceptable or slightly less disagreeable, slightly less offensive that in which we indulge. Its known as rationalizing one's actions and behavior.
Posted By: ChgoCPA
Is what most here seem to see fit to use for fodder.

Hooker...prostitute...sugar baby...courtesan   Whatever you want to call yourself or be called is in essence all the same in ALL of those worlds (and to have some sb think she isn't a hooker...absolutely fucking hilarious...what narcissism).  Sex for Money (in whatever forms) is the common denominator.  

I have NO issues that some johns don't want/need sex from a hooker.  I also have no issues that some johns want circus sex.  Or that the hookers want to be seen as "high class" escorts.

None of that is a problem as I see it.  But when any johnnie boy or hooker wants to paint that they are somehow NOT really what they truly are...that's just asinine.

And you are a hooker...or sugar baby..or courtesan.  All the same from my POV.

But if you're trying to get others to buy into your bullshit and narcissism...then go for it.  There's always going to be some that are indeed mesmerized and lose sight of the world(s) that we are playing in.
Posted By: ChinaRose
The hostility on this board is amazing.
Not all sugar babes escort. In the higher end of the sugar world, it is ridiculously frowned upon. I don't sare that sentiment, obviously.

So, I'm unrealistic just because I don't do my sugar relationships the way some do, or I don't escort the way others do?

I am a sugar baby and I work as a hooker on the side.  I don't get what the issue is.

Because I don't have sex with one of my SD, because I actually understand the history of sex work and paid entertainment, I'm unrealistic?

Because I have the audacity to see the layers and dimensions to sex work, I get snarky comments here.

*sigh*

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Bohemian_Luxury490 reads

It's ok.
I got carried away on this one. I'm going to put myself in a brief TER posting "time out", so I can calm down.
I should NOT be this upset at the internet. -___-

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MidwesternMaple595 reads

I tried this.

I was really bad at figuring out endearing, heart-warming reasons to justify requests for cash.  





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London Rayne485 reads

If I have to treat a SD like an escort client, then wtf is the point of having one? SDs get a SHITLOAD of perks and off the clock hours, so damn right I will ask for what I need. If they can't do it or get offended, they can pay by the hour like everyone else.

I think some need to ease up on China though. She is NOT saying she is better than anyone else, and never has. She is simply pointing out what most sugar babies do, and think of escorts and the example the OP gave is a prime example. There is a huge difference in the way true SBs are viewed and how they should act. If you are a SB who fks the client the very day you meet him, you won't get many return requests....that is just how it is most times.

The guys are deluded into thinking their SB is NOT escorting on the side and many are not...many are though lol.

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I may be doing the sugar thing, but I'm paying for sex just like you guys.  It's just a different approach, that's all.  But there's a critical difference here that you need to understand.  

 You will get rejected, that's part of the game.  The two beautiful SBs who rejected me--I would've been quite happy to fuck them & pay them on a regular basis.  And I've rejected a dozen SBs.  So whether you're a client or a provider who wants to try the SD/SB scene, just know that someone out there will reject you.  If you look like George Clooney or Megan Fox, then you're the exception.   Good luck.  --z

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Dr Who revived506 reads

I would believe if it was so important to either the SD or sb to have a "lifelong" partner...why not find someone to marry?  But both the SD and sb are seeking short term gratification for their own prurient interests,  And for either party to expect that relationship to last beyond XXX months/years is just not realistic.  Marriage isn't a forever replacement either as it's just as easy to bail out of that SD/sb "legal" relationship  :D

Rejection is a part of life in every form.  Accept it and move on to the next chapter of one's life.

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I may be doing the sugar thing, but I'm paying for sex just like you guys.  It's just a different approach, that's all.  But there's a critical difference here that you need to understand.  

 You will get rejected, that's part of the game.  The two beautiful SBs who rejected me--I would've been quite happy to fuck them & pay them on a regular basis.  And I've rejected a dozen SBs.  So whether you're a client or a provider who wants to try the SD/SB scene, just know that someone out there will reject you.  If you look like George Clooney or Megan Fox, then you're the exception.   Good luck.  --z

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I didn't mean rejection in the sense of an existing P4P relationship that fails.   Typically the first 'date' between the SD & SB will be in a public place. There's no sex.  There's an appraisal on both sides about whether you want an arrangement (sex for money) with the other person.  

Most of these 'first dates' end in crib death.  Either the SB doesn't want to see that SD again, or vice-versa.  There's no sex.  That's what I mean by 'rejection.'

If both parties agree to a second date, then an arrangement will probably take place. It's just a question of how comfortable the SB is with you before she's willing to go BCD.  My experience has been that it's usually 2-4 dates before you go BCD.    --z

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Bohemian_Luxury383 reads

I agree with all of this,

except that, I do waaay more with my SD than a client. If we want to simplify it to money for sex, that is an oversimplification. And it's not narcissistic to say such. SD's (real ones) pay for actual companionship. That's why there are so many dates before BCD.

I don't know how you treat your SB's, but my SD's contribute sooooo much to my life, beyond money. Even if they decided to stop seeing me tomorrow, it wouldn't take away the mentoring and connections and internships I could have only gotten through them. SD2 proofread my college transfer essays, and really helped me when I couldn't find a particular theme to follow.

Not that I couldn't develop this sort of awesome relationship with a client, but I get so much more than P4P with my SD's. They are generous men willing to take care of me financially, but also amazing older gents who are willing to take time out of their busy silicon valley tech lives to mentor college girl like me.

Posted By: Zangari

I didn't mean rejection in the sense of an existing P4P relationship that fails.   Typically the first 'date' between the SD & SB will be in a public place. There's no sex.  There's an appraisal on both sides about whether you want an arrangement (sex for money) with the other person.  

Most of these 'first dates' end in crib death.  Either the SB doesn't want to see that SD again, or vice-versa.  There's no sex.  That's what I mean by 'rejection.'

If both parties agree to a second date, then an arrangement will probably take place. It's just a question of how comfortable the SB is with you before she's willing to go BCD.  My experience has been that it's usually 2-4 dates before you go BCD.    --z

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natashalynne535 reads

It's like a girl who waits until her boyfriend says "I love you" before having sex with him.  It's all a facade.



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