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SuniBaby
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Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!
But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.
And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".
At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.
But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.
And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".
At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.
But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
I am not even going to address the rest of your pathetic attempts at insults. Like I said, we'll watch
For some pathetic john to use this forum as a vehicle to equate to dating someone IRL is NOT normal.
But you keep on screaming that it is...and if you keep on telling yourself that it must be so.
Maybe mangina johnnie boy should be on a dating site..as that is what you are suggesting YOU are offering. And in that case the guy will NOT be paying to take you shopping (or eating, sleeping or shitting).
As I posted prior...there's no shortage of lovelorn lost johnnie boys here. And many actually believe the illusion. Maybe the OP should ask the hooker to just go and enjoy the shopping...pay her for the hour or two BCD? But to pay her (or anyone) to fucking shop...pathetic.
Maybe try and read the fucking posts...I wasn't commenting on YOUR self-esteem or problems. But since you brought it up...should I?
But you keep on screaming that it is...and if you keep on telling yourself that it must be so.
Maybe mangina johnnie boy should be on a dating site..as that is what you are suggesting YOU are offering. And in that case the guy will NOT be paying to take you shopping (or eating, sleeping or shitting).
As I posted prior...there's no shortage of lovelorn lost johnnie boys here. And many actually believe the illusion. Maybe the OP should ask the hooker to just go and enjoy the shopping...pay her for the hour or two BCD? But to pay her (or anyone) to fucking shop...pathetic.
Maybe try and read the fucking posts...I wasn't commenting on YOUR self-esteem or problems. But since you brought it up...should I?
Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!
But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.
And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".
At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.
But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.
And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".
At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.
But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
Do you ever read a post? Or just do your best to get angry and insulting about it? Maybe if you'd stop acting like such an ass, people would treat you less like one.
Lets start with "some pathetic John" using this as a vehicle of some sort. Are we all not? The married dude sneaking behind his wife's back, the divorced guy who has no interest in dating again, the single guy who moves a lot, the whole reason that each and every single person is here is because its an easy way to "date"*. Clear boundaries, clear expectations, and zero commitment.
*If you have a word for that, then please feel free to insert it there, and understand that I am talking about the same general idea, not the specific act of dating. We are all very aware that it is not one in the same, so for the sake of *trying* to have a discussion... I realize you may prefer the word "fuck".
This is why the GFE has become so popular, and why we try so hard to create a connection with the client, rather than just laying there and rolling our eyes. People want to feel normal, even if the situation isn't. Again, perfectly normal feelings and reactions, whether you choose to believe it or not. Does that mean that I or anyone else is trying to equate it to real dating? No. That's why johns still pay. But that doesn't mean that they all must immediately debase us girls into something to pound for an hour, and maybe tolerate outside of the bedroom. Just like you, everyone has things that they enjoy, and there really isn't anything more or less wrong about it.
You like things people consider fucked up, weird, pathetic, whatever as well. Maybe not according to you, but you do. That is life. The only difference is that you insist on degrading others based on your simple opinion, and choose to show people how you really are, rather than keeping it to yourself.
I am not even going to address the rest of your pathetic attempts at insults. Like I said, we'll watch
Lets start with "some pathetic John" using this as a vehicle of some sort. Are we all not? The married dude sneaking behind his wife's back, the divorced guy who has no interest in dating again, the single guy who moves a lot, the whole reason that each and every single person is here is because its an easy way to "date"*. Clear boundaries, clear expectations, and zero commitment.
*If you have a word for that, then please feel free to insert it there, and understand that I am talking about the same general idea, not the specific act of dating. We are all very aware that it is not one in the same, so for the sake of *trying* to have a discussion... I realize you may prefer the word "fuck".
This is why the GFE has become so popular, and why we try so hard to create a connection with the client, rather than just laying there and rolling our eyes. People want to feel normal, even if the situation isn't. Again, perfectly normal feelings and reactions, whether you choose to believe it or not. Does that mean that I or anyone else is trying to equate it to real dating? No. That's why johns still pay. But that doesn't mean that they all must immediately debase us girls into something to pound for an hour, and maybe tolerate outside of the bedroom. Just like you, everyone has things that they enjoy, and there really isn't anything more or less wrong about it.
You like things people consider fucked up, weird, pathetic, whatever as well. Maybe not according to you, but you do. That is life. The only difference is that you insist on degrading others based on your simple opinion, and choose to show people how you really are, rather than keeping it to yourself.
I am not even going to address the rest of your pathetic attempts at insults. Like I said, we'll watch
For some pathetic john to use this forum as a vehicle to equate to dating someone IRL is NOT normal.
But you keep on screaming that it is...and if you keep on telling yourself that it must be so.
Maybe mangina johnnie boy should be on a dating site..as that is what you are suggesting YOU are offering. And in that case the guy will NOT be paying to take you shopping (or eating, sleeping or shitting).
As I posted prior...there's no shortage of lovelorn lost johnnie boys here. And many actually believe the illusion. Maybe the OP should ask the hooker to just go and enjoy the shopping...pay her for the hour or two BCD? But to pay her (or anyone) to fucking shop...pathetic.
Maybe try and read the fucking posts...I wasn't commenting on YOUR self-esteem or problems. But since you brought it up...should I?
But you keep on screaming that it is...and if you keep on telling yourself that it must be so.
Maybe mangina johnnie boy should be on a dating site..as that is what you are suggesting YOU are offering. And in that case the guy will NOT be paying to take you shopping (or eating, sleeping or shitting).
As I posted prior...there's no shortage of lovelorn lost johnnie boys here. And many actually believe the illusion. Maybe the OP should ask the hooker to just go and enjoy the shopping...pay her for the hour or two BCD? But to pay her (or anyone) to fucking shop...pathetic.
Maybe try and read the fucking posts...I wasn't commenting on YOUR self-esteem or problems. But since you brought it up...should I?
Educate him of what? That he doesn't HAVE to take a girl shopping? Well, I'm pretty sure he knows that!
But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.
And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".
At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.
But again, whether you like it or feel its right, he can.
And seeing as I'm the hooker here, let me educate YOU. The men who take me on extended dates do so because they don't have time to do this in real life, they've recently lost a loved one, they genuinely enjoy how the time goes, they have some kind of limitation that makes dating hard... All of the exact same reasons that one would see a girl for an hour. It has nothing to do with their self esteem, and everything to do with what they as an individual feel is the most fulfilling bang for their buck. Just like everyone else in this little "hobby".
At least they are looking for something resembling normalcy. You constantly degrade us into fuck holes, brag about your "money", and talk shit about anyone who thinks differently. So do please keep talking about our problems and self esteem. We'll watch.
But probably to those of us trying to educate the poor sap.
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Nothing wrong with paying for BCD...that's what you're selling. And I always pay the listed prices...well, sometimes she likes to discount those as well..but whatever LOL
For any man with a backbone and some balls to pay anyone (hookers notwithstanding) an hourly rate to eat, sleep, shop or shit is simply someone who has no self-esteem. If there was some value to it I could understand some dudes doing this...but IMHO there is none!
Don't worry CB...there's no shortage of morons here who won't continue this asinine parade of backboneless posting and actions. And even with those of us who post to them suggesting this ridiculous behavior...there's more manginas out there ready to kow tow to a woman's insane demands.
Was this "Mangina Week" on TER?
Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
Anyone with girlfriends or wives , has been coaxed into shopping for clothes or jewelry with her, at least twice .
There is nothing elaborate about being bored to despair , while she tries things on she doesn't like .
Only a mangina would pay to go shopping , or a Beta attempting to socialize .
There is nothing elaborate about being bored to despair , while she tries things on she doesn't like .
Only a mangina would pay to go shopping , or a Beta attempting to socialize .
Whether some of you like it or not, some men like going out and spending time together like that. It's their fantasy. Just like its yours to believe that you'll get the best possible experience in only an hour. That doesn't make him a mangina, it means he has a more elaborate fantasy than you. Each is as "ridiculous" as the other.
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
As much as I like shopping, I would still charge. It is still my time, and I could still be doing something else. New clothes don't pay the light bill
PITA is more accurate. I hate shopping for clothes so the only way I'm going with you is you either pay me or give me some other damn good reason to waste my time in clothing stores, lol. And no way am I accompanying you into a lingerie store, me at my age and you at your age, it's like grandpa taking his grandaughter to buy sexy underwear. Imagine the stares and weirdness, no thank you, not for me 
It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time.
What if she had to pay a babysitter for the extra hours she spent with you? Or what if she could be doing something productive during that time? Point is, you're taking her away from her life to do something with you *as a client* when she may totally prefer to do something else. Which brings me to my next point...
You're buying her lingerie that YOU want to see her wear. Not stuff she WANTS or NEEDS to buy. If you act enthusiastic about some garment she absolutely hates...she'll probably go along with it, *because she is doing it to please you* (that applies even if you tell her to be honest). She'll also pose for you in every single outfit, twirl in circles for you, let you pinch her ass, and talk to you/kiss your ass/entertain you for the entire time it takes to pick out what you like. Doesn't that sound a lot like work to you? It would feel a lot like work to me.
It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time.
How I'd price it: Say we had 2 hours BCD time planned, and about 2-3 hours total shopping time. I'd probably charge you my rate for 3 hours. If it were an overnight, or maybe even a dinner date, I may not charge you for the extra time. BUT it would depend on how much shopping time we were talking about. If it's 3+ hours...I'd charge more than I stated above.
SHE has to ENTERTAIN YOU while buying something YOU WANT = WORK.
You're buying her lingerie that YOU want to see her wear. Not stuff she WANTS or NEEDS to buy. If you act enthusiastic about some garment she absolutely hates...she'll probably go along with it, *because she is doing it to please you* (that applies even if you tell her to be honest). She'll also pose for you in every single outfit, twirl in circles for you, let you pinch her ass, and talk to you/kiss your ass/entertain you for the entire time it takes to pick out what you like. Doesn't that sound a lot like work to you? It would feel a lot like work to me.
It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me
THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time. How I'd price it: Say we had 2 hours BCD time planned, and about 2-3 hours total shopping time. I'd probably charge you my rate for 3 hours. If it were an overnight, or maybe even a dinner date, I may not charge you for the extra time. BUT it would depend on how much shopping time we were talking about. If it's 3+ hours...I'd charge more than I stated above.
SHE has to ENTERTAIN YOU while buying something YOU WANT = WORK.
What if she had to pay a babysitter for the extra hours she spent with you? Or what if she could be doing something productive during that time? Point is, you're taking her away from her life to do something with you *as a client* when she may totally prefer to do something else. Which brings me to my next point...
You're buying her lingerie that YOU want to see her wear. Not stuff she WANTS or NEEDS to buy. If you act enthusiastic about some garment she absolutely hates...she'll probably go along with it, *because she is doing it to please you* (that applies even if you tell her to be honest). She'll also pose for you in every single outfit, twirl in circles for you, let you pinch her ass, and talk to you/kiss your ass/entertain you for the entire time it takes to pick out what you like. Doesn't that sound a lot like work to you? It would feel a lot like work to me.
It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time.
How I'd price it: Say we had 2 hours BCD time planned, and about 2-3 hours total shopping time. I'd probably charge you my rate for 3 hours. If it were an overnight, or maybe even a dinner date, I may not charge you for the extra time. BUT it would depend on how much shopping time we were talking about. If it's 3+ hours...I'd charge more than I stated above.
SHE has to ENTERTAIN YOU while buying something YOU WANT = WORK.
You're buying her lingerie that YOU want to see her wear. Not stuff she WANTS or NEEDS to buy. If you act enthusiastic about some garment she absolutely hates...she'll probably go along with it, *because she is doing it to please you* (that applies even if you tell her to be honest). She'll also pose for you in every single outfit, twirl in circles for you, let you pinch her ass, and talk to you/kiss your ass/entertain you for the entire time it takes to pick out what you like. Doesn't that sound a lot like work to you? It would feel a lot like work to me.
It would be different if we were shopping for, say, furniture for my house, or schoolbooks/work equipment for me
THEN I probably wouldn't even think of charging you for that time. How I'd price it: Say we had 2 hours BCD time planned, and about 2-3 hours total shopping time. I'd probably charge you my rate for 3 hours. If it were an overnight, or maybe even a dinner date, I may not charge you for the extra time. BUT it would depend on how much shopping time we were talking about. If it's 3+ hours...I'd charge more than I stated above.
SHE has to ENTERTAIN YOU while buying something YOU WANT = WORK.
That scenario works for me...works for the gals I see. If some gal would demand a full 5-8 hour fee for eating and such...she'll need to work on Stee. Maybe he'll pay it...I know I won't
I'd probably just refuse this particular excursion altogether, realizing (in this particular situation) that the guy expected massive OTC for an outing I wouldn't enjoy. Might as well ask me to go to Home Depot for power tools, lol. If we were shopping for something I wanted and needed, I'd likely go. (duh, lol)
About OTC and longer dates, I've actually found that the men who book those 6+ hr dates generally book the time they need. So if they know they want to go shopping...or whatever, they'll leave ample time for us to do everything we want to do.
Guys who book 1-4 hours might want more time, but don't want (or plan) to pay for it. They're the ones who usually want me to sleep over, or go to dinner for free. I've rarely had a good outcome from accepting those offers. They might repeat in the short-term, but in the long-term, become problems. On the flip side, I've had clients who originally booked me for 1 hour, years ago, became repeat clients AND booked longer dates. So it's important for me to tread VERY carefully when giving clients leeway with my time. Free dinner might get me a regular, but what if it was a regular who would have paid for that time had I not given it to him so easily? Or what if the guy blows it out of proportion, and expects it every time/forgets that he's a client?
So no outright OTC with me. But, generally, with my regulars, I am very RELAXED .... I don't EXACTLY give OTC, but I'm very relaxed time-wise, and will discount longer dates with them. I am happy to find a middle ground, as long as it's truly a middle ground and benefits us both. For example: a client who books a grandfathered 1-hour rate, yaks my ear off for an additional hour, and then expects a free dinner, not caring how late I'll get home -> undesirable. By contrast, the clients who I do the relaxed dates with, generally do not WANT me to feel taken advantage of. Which in turn, makes me feel more comfortable with them, and very happy to find an arrangement that pleases us both.
The key is that the client continues to accept that he IS a client, and realizes that he is an integral part of my livelihood....and so just out of elementary respect, would never want to take advantage of me. I feel SO appreciative of the men who offer me this simple courtesy I'd probably offer them even more than I do, quite happily...the thing is that, they never really ask for it.
About OTC and longer dates, I've actually found that the men who book those 6+ hr dates generally book the time they need. So if they know they want to go shopping...or whatever, they'll leave ample time for us to do everything we want to do.
Guys who book 1-4 hours might want more time, but don't want (or plan) to pay for it. They're the ones who usually want me to sleep over, or go to dinner for free. I've rarely had a good outcome from accepting those offers. They might repeat in the short-term, but in the long-term, become problems. On the flip side, I've had clients who originally booked me for 1 hour, years ago, became repeat clients AND booked longer dates. So it's important for me to tread VERY carefully when giving clients leeway with my time. Free dinner might get me a regular, but what if it was a regular who would have paid for that time had I not given it to him so easily? Or what if the guy blows it out of proportion, and expects it every time/forgets that he's a client?
So no outright OTC with me. But, generally, with my regulars, I am very RELAXED .... I don't EXACTLY give OTC, but I'm very relaxed time-wise, and will discount longer dates with them. I am happy to find a middle ground, as long as it's truly a middle ground and benefits us both. For example: a client who books a grandfathered 1-hour rate, yaks my ear off for an additional hour, and then expects a free dinner, not caring how late I'll get home -> undesirable. By contrast, the clients who I do the relaxed dates with, generally do not WANT me to feel taken advantage of. Which in turn, makes me feel more comfortable with them, and very happy to find an arrangement that pleases us both.
The key is that the client continues to accept that he IS a client, and realizes that he is an integral part of my livelihood....and so just out of elementary respect, would never want to take advantage of me. I feel SO appreciative of the men who offer me this simple courtesy I'd probably offer them even more than I do, quite happily...the thing is that, they never really ask for it.
I can't believe you of all guys pay for 2-3 hours of hooker time to take her out to dinner. You must have cash coming out your ass. My cash pays for pussy, period. Wasn't it you just making the argument that johnny boys pay for sex, not for hangout time? Then you go and do exactly the opposite of what you rail against, you big flip-flopper. I'm gonna start calling you Obamanable
They're par for the course, it's a given that nearly all reviews are inflated so we just subtract 2 from all scores to get the real numbers
You even fooled a reader or two with it...they thought you were the antithesis of CPA
And ask 24601 if he's found Cosette 
So you see WOTW, you live in a world of fantasy. Hooking is nothing like the real world and I doubt you'd make it in the real world with your attitude. It's OK for the vast majority of Americans to work OTC for no compensation but you're very special and every minute of your time must be paid for. You probably belong to a hooker's union in which case, you have us over a barrel when you go on strike and likely file grievances against every john who stays an extra 5 minutes in your lair. I truly hope you don't ever have to work in the real world because no employer will put up with your business model bullshit. In the real world, ALL of us put in extra time and schmooze with clients and the bosses and don't get any extra pay because that's what our employers expect. But I get it, hookerville is different, you get paid by the minute and every minute of your time is special and extremely precious unlike the rest of us in the real world whose non-working hours aren't nearly as precious as yours. It's OK for us to spend OTC time on our jobs but you don't subscribe to that real-world nonsense. You don't need to schmooze clients because they're beating down your door and you have more business than you can handle. Good for you
Good night princess, sleep well on your puffy pillow while the rest of us sleep on the floor
Thank you for your civil reply. Your sanity is duly noted, lol
Easy to pick those out from the crowd
You are correct and for more reasons than you stated. I am indeed not a boss, rather, I am a paying client, or more correctly, a paying customer. When I was growing up, there was a saying in this country that "the customer is always right". You don't hear that saying much anymore but in real life the principle still applies and as a customer of my suppliers, I'm treated like royalty. They bend over backwards to obtain and keep my business and I can state that this is pretty much the case in every civvie business. I'm going to a supplier-run party this month in which I will be wined and dined (literally) and provided cost-free classes for an entire day. They do this every year and it draws virtually all of the local people in my field. They treat us well and we in turn reward them with a great deal of business.
In the hobby, this is not the case as evidenced by WOTW's post below mine. Some providers hate their clients, they find us disgusting, demanding assholes who they only see because we provide money. Not the ideal business climate. This is most certainly not true of the providers I've seen in the past, nor the regulars who I continue to see, nor those I contemplate seeing in the future. Every one of them has been extremely nice to me and I don't ask for OTC time. Heck, I don't have time for OTC time and have even turned down an offer or two because of my limited play time. The honest-to-God truth is that I've had OTC exactly once in this hobby and that OTC time was offered to me by the provider because she liked my personality and me as a person.
Thank you for your civil reply. Your sanity is duly noted, lol
In the hobby, this is not the case as evidenced by WOTW's post below mine. Some providers hate their clients, they find us disgusting, demanding assholes who they only see because we provide money. Not the ideal business climate. This is most certainly not true of the providers I've seen in the past, nor the regulars who I continue to see, nor those I contemplate seeing in the future. Every one of them has been extremely nice to me and I don't ask for OTC time. Heck, I don't have time for OTC time and have even turned down an offer or two because of my limited play time. The honest-to-God truth is that I've had OTC exactly once in this hobby and that OTC time was offered to me by the provider because she liked my personality and me as a person.
Thank you for your civil reply. Your sanity is duly noted, lol
I have very little time for activities beyond the 1 or 1-1/2 hours of play time. OTC is definitely not my goal but WOTW being the BSC person she is, actually thinks I meant that BS post above, LOL. Did you see how she railed on my ass? Apparently, I'm now blacklisted and only desperate women see me, LMAO. What a brain on that one. London Rayne she is NOT, not by a long shot, lol. WOTW has no clue what I'm about and I'll soon be taking a poll to see how many providers hate me. Stay tuned, this is gonna be fun
But when I finally want to see fat hookers that are pretty mediocre in looks...and one who has harassed a bunch of johns for inflated review scores...I'll consider that one
I have very little time for activities beyond the 1 or 1-1/2 hours of play time. OTC is definitely not my goal but WOTW being the BSC person she is, actually thinks I meant that BS post above, LOL. Did you see how she railed on my ass? Apparently, I'm now blacklisted and only desperate women see me, LMAO. What a brain on that one. London Rayne she is NOT, not by a long shot, lol. WOTW has no clue what I'm about and I'll soon be taking a poll to see how many providers hate me. Stay tuned, this is gonna be fun
3rd, here you're no one's boss and YOU can be easily be replaced (trust me, it's been done before with YOU).
I'm intrigued and you have my full attention. Please list all providers who have replaced me. I'm an open book WOTW and I give you permission to list every single provider who has replaced me. Go for it, out me baby 4th, Just remember that every time you post this entitlement crap, it reminds women who've seen you before why it's good they chose to never see you again after the first encounter (trust me, unless they're desperate, a second date isn't happening with YOU). Please do continue to show your true colors. I'm just glad I have the luxury to be available only to a select few now and would never let some men touch me again if my life depended on it, Ick. I feel sorry for the girls who have to see you a second time.
Again, extremely intrigued!!! Please list all providers who have seen me one time and decided to never see me again. Right here, right now, do it WOTW. I can't wait to see the list, I'm very excited, this is going to be so much fun I might even take a poll! Bring it on, put up or shut up, there's your challenge3rd, here you're no one's boss and YOU can be easily be replaced (trust me, it's been done before with YOU).
I'm intrigued and you have my full attention. Please list all providers who have replaced me. I'm an open book WOTW and I give you permission to list every single provider who has replaced me. Go for it, out me baby
4th, Just remember that every time you post this entitlement crap, it reminds women who've seen you before why it's good they chose to never see you again after the first encounter (trust me, unless they're desperate, a second date isn't happening with YOU). Please do continue to show your true colors. I'm just glad I have the luxury to be available only to a select few now and would never let some men touch me again if my life depended on it, Ick. I feel sorry for the girls who have to see you a second time.
Again, extremely intrigued!!! Please list all providers who have seen me one time and decided to never see me again. Right here, right now, do it WOTW. I can't wait to see the list, I'm very excited, this is going to be so much fun I might even take a poll! Bring it on, put up or shut up, there's your challenge.
Yep, the light just went on, nailed her. I'm getting good at this investigative stuff, I've been taught well by my favorite and extremely intelligent provider friends LOL It's really too bad she has it in for me, she's actually been helpful in other areas but she does dislike me. I'm sure she's spread negative shit about me around town and she is in such a position to do so. It's OK, I don't hold any hard feelings against her and will still help where safety issues are concerned.
I'm OK with her and OhCharlie getting together to compile this list...they both have plenty of time LOL
I'd love to see this list.
Wanna bet that they'll bail out since we aren't going to pay them to compile these lists?
I'm intrigued and you have my full attention. Please list all providers who have replaced me. I'm an open book WOTW and I give you permission to list every single provider who has replaced me. Go for it, out me baby
Again, extremely intrigued!!! Please list all providers who have seen me one time and decided to never see me again. Right here, right now, do it WOTW. I can't wait to see the list, I'm very excited, this is going to be so much fun I might even take a poll! Bring it on, put up or shut up, there's your challenge.
I'd love to see this list.
Wanna bet that they'll bail out since we aren't going to pay them to compile these lists?
3rd, here you're no one's boss and YOU can be easily be replaced (trust me, it's been done before with YOU).
I'm intrigued and you have my full attention. Please list all providers who have replaced me. I'm an open book WOTW and I give you permission to list every single provider who has replaced me. Go for it, out me baby
4th, Just remember that every time you post this entitlement crap, it reminds women who've seen you before why it's good they chose to never see you again after the first encounter (trust me, unless they're desperate, a second date isn't happening with YOU). Please do continue to show your true colors. I'm just glad I have the luxury to be available only to a select few now and would never let some men touch me again if my life depended on it, Ick. I feel sorry for the girls who have to see you a second time.
Again, extremely intrigued!!! Please list all providers who have seen me one time and decided to never see me again. Right here, right now, do it WOTW. I can't wait to see the list, I'm very excited, this is going to be so much fun I might even take a poll! Bring it on, put up or shut up, there's your challenge.
The OP could simply pick out an outfit from a web site like Victoria's Secret or SpicyLingerie and bring it for her to wear. I've done this myself. But there is something about the act of shopping with her -- being seen with her, imagining as she poses how he's going to remove said articles of clothing, etc. -- that turns him on. Thus, he should expect to pay her, at whatever rate she thinks is fair. The articles purchased may be of no benefit to her at all. What if, for example, she already has several Naughty Schoolgirl outfits or Slutty Nun's Habits?
Seems like PP was right
I only found this thread because of the link on the Chicago board was so random...however your answer is simple- yea oay her for her time to model for you. Period. Oh and enjoy!
Xoxoxo
VC
Xoxoxo
VC
The OP could simply pick out an outfit from a web site like Victoria's Secret or SpicyLingerie and bring it for her to wear. I've done this myself. But there is something about the act of shopping with her -- being seen with her, imagining as she poses how he's going to remove said articles of clothing, etc. -- that turns him on. Thus, he should expect to pay her, at whatever rate she thinks is fair. The articles purchased may be of no benefit to her at all. What if, for example, she already has several Naughty Schoolgirl outfits or Slutty Nun's Habits?
But I guess I also buy the deal of listening to their life's problems...but that's just me. And no...I don't charge them for my consulting fees either. It's the way I operate...we are "friends"
If some guy wants to take me shopping for shit I want, free all the way as I am not on, I am myself, I don't have kiss his ass or anything else.
I go shopping for shit he wants me to wear which 9 times out of 10 I won't like and will give right back after, then no I won't go shopping period so there is no worries about pay or no pay. I will give the guy my sizes, he can go get it, I will put it on and wear it and model it and bend over etc when we are on the clock.
I don't expect a guy to pay to watch me eat and I will not be "on" display as in work mode for free.
OTC means I am me all the way.
I go shopping for shit he wants me to wear which 9 times out of 10 I won't like and will give right back after, then no I won't go shopping period so there is no worries about pay or no pay. I will give the guy my sizes, he can go get it, I will put it on and wear it and model it and bend over etc when we are on the clock.
I don't expect a guy to pay to watch me eat and I will not be "on" display as in work mode for free.
OTC means I am me all the way.
So let's see...
Hookers think they should be paid to go shopping
Some johns think paying for a hooker to shop is asinine
Mangina boys agree that hookers should be paid to go shopping
Interesting that you post now...you never post on the GD board.
I guess WOTW blew up your inbox as well? LOL
Seems like PP was right
-- Modified on 9/9/2013 1:02:55 PMHookers think they should be paid to go shopping
Some johns think paying for a hooker to shop is asinine
Mangina boys agree that hookers should be paid to go shopping
Interesting that you post now...you never post on the GD board.
I guess WOTW blew up your inbox as well? LOL
Seems like PP was right
I only found this thread because of the link on the Chicago board was so random...however your answer is simple- yea oay her for her time to model for you. Period. Oh and enjoy!
Xoxoxo
VC
Xoxoxo
VC
The OP could simply pick out an outfit from a web site like Victoria's Secret or SpicyLingerie and bring it for her to wear. I've done this myself. But there is something about the act of shopping with her -- being seen with her, imagining as she poses how he's going to remove said articles of clothing, etc. -- that turns him on. Thus, he should expect to pay her, at whatever rate she thinks is fair. The articles purchased may be of no benefit to her at all. What if, for example, she already has several Naughty Schoolgirl outfits or Slutty Nun's Habits?
you really hurt my feelings when you came after me a while back. **sniff**
I'm very sensitive, so it may take me a while to come around. **sob**
thank you for the kind words. OK, I'm all better
You "lunatic" responders wer probably too busy "screwing yourselves" to do so, lol. You all are responding to your own feelings about OTC time rather than answering the question that was asked.
This is NOT about OTC time, neither is it about SHOPPING.
This is a guy who is scheduling a session with a provider, and as part of the session he wants her to go to a lingerie shop and pick out the slutty outfits he wants her to wear.
This is not about time spent by the provider on an enjoyable activity, it is part of the client's fantasy, and part of her time that he has to pay for. As a client, you think you should get a discount on time that you do not actually spend fucking. There might even be some women who will take you up on this. Some women offer a discount package if you are taking her out for dinner, when some of the time is spent at dinner, and some spent on fucking. But in the OP scenario, you are not even throwing a burger down her throat, you are just making her pose for you in slutty outfits until you find the one that makes your dick hardest. By what stretch of the imagination is that TIME that she is enjoying and therefore should not charge?
This is NOT about OTC time, neither is it about SHOPPING.
This is a guy who is scheduling a session with a provider, and as part of the session he wants her to go to a lingerie shop and pick out the slutty outfits he wants her to wear.
This is not about time spent by the provider on an enjoyable activity, it is part of the client's fantasy, and part of her time that he has to pay for. As a client, you think you should get a discount on time that you do not actually spend fucking. There might even be some women who will take you up on this. Some women offer a discount package if you are taking her out for dinner, when some of the time is spent at dinner, and some spent on fucking. But in the OP scenario, you are not even throwing a burger down her throat, you are just making her pose for you in slutty outfits until you find the one that makes your dick hardest. By what stretch of the imagination is that TIME that she is enjoying and therefore should not charge?