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nevertoolarge 30 Reviews 3704 reads
posted
1 / 49

so ..  via texts i set up a first time one hour 1pm date in a couple days.   we exchange a bunch of fun smiling texts over 24 hours...   that day i wake up not feeling well and these days being cautious at 9 am i tell her we should postpone.    i don't hear back... i text a few more times .. the next day (and after 9 hours of sleep!)  i am much better (i was just burning the candle at both ends)  after a few more apologizing texts still nothing ..  finally 4 days later all i get is a middle finger icon.  

your thoughts?   mine .. if it was an overnight or multihour .. or i cancelled an hour before . or just didn't show up ... that would be one thing but 4 hours notice for a simple one hour date and for good reason ?   i think her response was disproportionate    but that's my perspective .. yours ?  especially want to hear from the ladies.

J0e_Fella 35 Reviews 117 reads
posted
2 / 49

...ask yourself would you be pissed if you were her losing out 1HR income? While being sick might be a good reason to you, she most likely heard that line many times before as you are not the first one canceled out on her. At least, offer her an assurance with a 1.5HR on the next session and fully responsible if you cancel again.

Her reply of a middle finger is warranted as you wasted her time with bunches of texts. I say it's kinda f'kin funny actually and I'd gladly see her. But that's just me. :)

RespectfulRobert 132 reads
posted
4 / 49

Maybe a rescheduled date with a promise of a tip for her inconvenience? You owe her something, in my opinion.

inicky46 61 Reviews 129 reads
posted
5 / 49
Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 138 reads
posted
6 / 49

First: STOP TEXTING HER.   All your texts are further sucking up her time for free.... unless, of course, you're about to reschedule and/or send a gift card or Cashapp as a cancellation-fee.   This is time-waster behavior and at this point, she has no reason to think you're anything but that.  

 
Now, on to what happened and my take.  

 
You may well have caused her to lose money.

 
If she already paid for the hotel and possibly turned down others who likely would have kept the date, then her anger is justified.    

 
Even if she didn't lose money on accommodations, she did invest time in you (for which you haven't compensated her) and again.... she could have booked someone else.    

 
You have no idea how many times guys have written with just a few hours' notice, saying they're sick and cannot make it but HE IS CERTAIN I'll have no trouble filling his spot.  Really?   What makes guys think we can always book someone else on short notice?    Sigh... ok, not going on a rant here but this is why I have a cancellation policy.    

 
If you want to make it right, offer her a $100 gift card (this should just about cover any hotel expense, given the low rates these days) and sincerely apologize again.    

 
Whether or not you wish to try again is up to you, but don't ask unless/until you send her some $.   You'll likely get worse emojis if you do.  ;-)

brstlvr 117 reads
posted
7 / 49

Specifically: "we exchange a bunch of fun smiling texts over 24 hours". News flash, she wasn't texting you because she loves your witty humor. Some clients just have to be coddled.

TheVoiceOfReason 106 reads
posted
8 / 49
RespectfulRobert 108 reads
posted
9 / 49

He should have responded with my suggestion in the same text when he cancelled. Stipulated.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 103 reads
posted
10 / 49

with a hotel charging them for a last minute cancellation, but don't feel the same way about cancelling on a pussy.  She might have shaved just for him, and now its for nothing.  Lol

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 97 reads
posted
11 / 49

The only texts I send are to make and then confirm the appointment.  Anything else can wait until I'm there in person.  If I book farther out then the day before the meeting, which I usually do, I will reconfirm that afternoon before that I'm still confirmed and will be on time.  Most ladies appreciate THIS KIND of extra text.  I'm paying, so I know this is a sure thing for me, so no need for flirty texts or 20 questions.  I rarely wake up too sick to fuck, but if I did, I would cancel as he did, but still pay.  If she wanted to count some of it towards another session, or offered me a discount on another booking, I would re-schedule.  Either way, I pay for the time whether I'm there to enjoy it or not.

MasterZen 34 Reviews 159 reads
posted
12 / 49

from inside the box. Perspective is everything.  

I'd say listen to Debra and do what she says.

inicky46 61 Reviews 151 reads
posted
13 / 49

I was scheduled to see a lady but woke up with a cold. I decided to postpone with her mainly because I was afraid of infecting her and affecting her ability to work. I don't recall how much notice I gave her but am sure it was much more than four hours as in the case above.  I was very apologetic but promised her I'd re-schedule as soon as I was better. She was very gracious and accepted. A week later we saw each other and had a very nice time. End of story. Too bad it can't always be this way. Her name was Larissa Pearla and I'm not sure if she's still working. She shows up on my reviews but seems no longer to be active.

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 115 reads
posted
14 / 49

Lots of ladies are similarly gracious.  

 
I'm not.   Why not?   Well, for one reason, because it's impossible to know when someone is telling the truth.  
My cancellation-fee policy is clear and if people object to it, then please book with a lady who doesn't have one.  

 

The other?  It's because when I get sick and have to cancel appointments, I'm out the money for my ads, hotel, assistant's salary, etc etc.   I don't get sick days or personal days so that's loss of income, as well.
I do not expect/hope that the hotel will be lenient on their cancel policy or that the sites where I advertise will give me extra ad time for free or refund my money since I wasn't able to work.  
The former does occasionally happen but not the latter.  I tour full-time.  The cost of my paid ads for a typical week can be almost equal to one day's earnings.   That's significant so I only cancel a day in cases of illness or real emergencies.

 

So I don't consider it to be good business practice to lose out on money when someone says HE is sick.  (quite a few times, a client has later admitted to me that he just got cold feet OR when I reminded him of the cancel fee, he's made a miraculous recovery and then in person said it was actually nerves, or his schedule, or something else)  

 

However, I am not a completely unreasonable bitch about enforcing my policy: if someone cancels same-day but then I'm able to book someone else so that I don't lose out on any income?  
I let him off the hook for the cancel fee.    My policy is there so I don't LOSE money, not so I can double-dip, as it were. ;-)

y2j 8 Reviews 97 reads
posted
15 / 49

The OP seems to be experienced in the hobby so I don't know why he didn't expect the lady to be upset.  Why didn't you offer her a deposit for cancelling or send a GC to show you were sincere?  To just say I am sick and sounds like your fault for not sleeping enough or whatever.  Time to move on to a new lady as sounds like this one isn't interested in you any longer

inicky46 61 Reviews 109 reads
posted
16 / 49

First of all she didn't have a cancellation policy. Also, as to her losing business, what if I'd just been a pig and seen her anyway because I was horny (which I was)? Then she gets sick and loses a week of work? So there's that.
Anyway, I support your right to manage your business the way you want.

OldRanger 62 Reviews 146 reads
posted
17 / 49

A while back had an hour session scheduled with a lady I really  wanted to see.
Two days before (OK not only four hours) got notice that the day earlier had spent time arond someone who had come down with Covid so went into quarantine and notified that had to cancel. The lady was very a accommodating . That be said is coming bak to town in a few weeks and not sure Jaydalee will  schedule if I try but will definitely wait until very close to the time to try to set up if I do as one cancellation is one too many.

nevertoolarge 30 Reviews 119 reads
posted
18 / 49

i did offer to rebook just a few days later ....  she has a permanent in-call - no hotel costs ...  

i might have my own foibles, i am not perfect,  but dozens of TER and P411 references will tell you i am not a flake -- and if i had $100 from every prospect to my company who changed their minds after i spent months and $$$ trying to get their biz, i would be hiring $1k girls every day.    anyone here in sales or C level office understands that.  

actually some of our most valuable clients are those who initially hired someone else after interviewing us and then some time later came back.    so had she said i understand that would have scored a lot of points to becoming a regular.  

some people just cant look past today.  but guess that takes experience.  

And Debra you never have worry about me booking and then cancelling you with this policy insisting on a real name ever after getting a TER or P411 message .......  

from her website   Question: What purpose does a real name serve?  What will you do with it?  
Response: Basically, I research you on the internet.  In additon to the usual verification and checking the standard provider resources, I'll use LinkedIn, Facebook, the sex offender registry and others.  

and you admit on your website Debra is not your real name ....  

RespectfulRobert 117 reads
posted
19 / 49

I think she left about 2 years ago now. Beautiful woman, wonderful provider and a total class act. She is sorely missed.

cks175 51 Reviews 118 reads
posted
20 / 49

You wasted her time, you cost her money, and then you follow up with repeated texts. Should have sent her a gift card at the time of cancellation, but it’s not too late to do the right thing.

DonDosEquis 13 Reviews 135 reads
posted
21 / 49

Well, he actually told her about 28 hours in advance they should postpone.  Then he followed up four hours before the original appointment saying maybe they should meet after all because he is feeling better.   That's probably what pissed her off as much as anything, imo.  Claiming illness in times of covid then saying, "oh, I'm better now, let's get it on" should get you the middle finger, imo.

That being said, it seems like the OP is a little flaky - texting her multiple times for jollies - then not apologizing profusely and offering to make things better right away when he originally tried to cancel/postpone.   I review provider policies before I ask for an appointment, and avoid those that I deem unreasonable (real world id requirements and substantial cancellaton fees).  That being said, I have yet to cancel or even reschedule an appointment, although I have had a couple of no-shows and quite a few tardies (some which were substantial).   Maybe I need a no-show policy?  (Just joking here.)

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 122 reads
posted
22 / 49

Posted By: nevertoolarge

   
 and you admit on your website Debra is not your real name ....  
Since I work only under this name and have for a very long time, that's the only name which needs to be researched.

 
I'm pretty easy to find.   As are all comments about me, both good and bad.   I own my mistakes.

 
Do you acknowledge your own?  

 
I've publicly discussed my real-name policy many times.  

 
It's telling that you omitted the most important part when copying & pasting from my site: I haven't been seriously hurt SINCE I began requiring real names.  

-- Modified on 2/7/2021 5:28:34 PM

RockOn72 5 Reviews 101 reads
posted
24 / 49

Like assholes ive got my own opinion but before I do..

Was this going to be your 1st time meeting with this provider or are you a repeat client?

Second were you sick sick or "sick"? Big difference IMO.

 Ok if a repeat with this lady and have a decent track record with her...  Think it was a bit harsh given IF you REALLY were feeling sick in like a virus coming on sort of deal given what's going on in the world right now...

But either way whether this girl knows you or not on MY end I would of given in some fashion- found a way to send atleast a portion of donation to her to show you are being legit/ respectful of her time and not just giving off the notion being a flake!

You seem to be very experienced in all this so I'm sure you would already know this to a degree..

Either way at this point all you can do is send alittle her way to show your scenerity.. Then let the chips fall where they may!

When I make a commitment I always keep my end of the bargain as i try to show these ladies the same level of respect I would want. Only time ive completely bailed is when they waste MY time by stringing me along by being super late/discourteous or just not having it together. Still and opinions may differ in this, I'll find away to give them alittle something just for my piece of mind.

Also honestly unless she was initiating the texting & keeping it going I wouldn't of kept texting her.. So again in your situation only you would know.

Just common sense unbiased opinion.  

Again as someone having experience under their belt you should know what the right thing to do is... Will never do a deposit again after being burned dealing with stupid bs BUT at the same time not doing so if it were ME on short notice canceling id send something her way as cancelling few hours short notice is only fair.

Then again very occassionally ive dealt with providers that will do the same cancel flake last minute or mere hours before without care... The irony which makes me chuckle a bit.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 128 reads
posted
25 / 49

Even the OP said, “4 hours notice for a simple one hour date”

Snotty 129 reads
posted
26 / 49

You probably just don’t know how to follow instructions.

This is what she had in her emails and on her website, prior to retirement :

 
***Cancellation policy***  
*~I understand that life doesn't always cooperate with our plans and,  should you need to reschedule our date,
 I'm happy to accommodate you.  However, my time is limited and once confirmed, is exclusively yours.  
As such, **should you cancel within 48 hours of the date of your appointment, you may either reschedule during  
the same tour with a 50% deposit (my schedule allowing) or pay a 50% cancellation fee.  
Should you cancel within 24 hours of the date of your appointment, arrive so late that you force me to turn you away,  
or not show up at all, you will be required to pay the  visit in full. ~*
*~Thank you for understanding.~*

myamatthews See my TER Reviews 275 reads
posted
27 / 49

You do the math, Buckaroo:

Same day cancellation during what has been a VERY difficult time for many providers  
+  
No partial fee or full donation to the provider  
+
 Endless calls w/ empty apologies  

= 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕

You are lucky if you don’t get blacklisted. Your behavior is exactly why the long-standing deposit debate rages on and infuriates both providers and clients alike. The math says you are Not Cool!

compassionalism 110 reads
posted
28 / 49

If I read Larissa's Twitter account properly, she retired 3 years ago and was trying to find work as an escort assistant.

inicky46 61 Reviews 94 reads
posted
29 / 49

And, no, I don't recall reading that. In any event, she obviously didn't enforce it, we re-scheduled and it all worked out.

DonDosEquis 13 Reviews 125 reads
posted
30 / 49

I hope not.  The OP says:

He set a appointment with her "In a couple days" (48+ hours)
He set the appointment for 1 pm
They texted back and forth for about 24 hours
Then at 9AM he told her he needed to postpone.
That is one day and four hours, or 28 hours, before they were scheduled to meet.

I don't see how one would read it differently, unless they just skimmed over it and missed what he was saying.

He then goes on to say that he woke up the next day and tried to say I feel better now.  I think that's why he said four hours notice - which was actually that he wanted to get together,  when the day before he'd said they probably should postpone.   Regardless, the dude's not treating her well at all and deserves the middle finger, imo.

-- Modified on 2/8/2021 12:45:54 PM

WICardinalfan 119 reads
posted
31 / 49

I might as well pile on.  Offer to pay her at least 50% for a last moment cancellation.

I worked out a deal with one provider, who was on tour AND I cancelled within 3 days prior, a deposit the next time I book her.

Others I have paid a fee, others that I know went out of their way to meet me I pay full.  A  very rare occasion, as I try my best not to cancel.  

Let's face it, COVID is a bitch.  If I , or anyone I live with has been exposed, I will cancel.  

All the points Deb and others have made are correct.  We must consider this a business up to the point the fun begins.  Our's is a service industry.  One who is providing the service has at least three, if not more types of costs.  Fixed, Variable, and Opportunity Costs.  

One can argue costs associated with touring is a fixed cost.  Lady will be paying hotel and travel fees regardless.  HOWEVER, when she stays in town on her last day, or arrives early so she can meet you and you cancel, you have added to her variable cost.  

Should you cancel during her normal touring time, and left a hole in her calendar, you have subjected her to an Opportunity cost.  Your cancellation has cost her the opportunity to make money for that given point in time.

Simple Economics in my book.

RespectfulRobert 121 reads
posted
32 / 49

https://twitter.com/MsPearlaNYC

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 130 reads
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33 / 49
RespectfulRobert 107 reads
posted
34 / 49

It worked when it posted it but not now. Weird.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 102 reads
posted
35 / 49

leave the "s" off the http for a clickable link.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 148 reads
posted
36 / 49

For this and other things. Multiple times I bet.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 104 reads
posted
37 / 49

1. 4 hour notice is on the shorter side, but as long as she had no cancelation policy it's OK as long there's a legit emergency imo.  

 
2. I think you did the right thing by cancelling if you were really sick. This is better for both you and provider. I've seen some providers who were sick and it was not fun, we both would be better off if we canceled.

3. Obviously she isn't happy about it, but there was no need to text continously. You needed one text for cancelation explaining that you were sick, and that's it. Maybe a call.  

 
If you get blacklisted for canceling when youre legitimately sick, then it's on her conscience. A smart provider imo wouldn't want to engage with a client who's actuslly sick. Especially if she's not super low volume provider. It sucks to miss on one client, it sucks a lot more for her to get sick too and miss on multiple clients as well be out of commission herself.  

 
As is, you were pestering her after, so the finger might have been warranted.

GaGambler 123 reads
posted
38 / 49

We can agree to disagree on that point, but judging by the OP itself he made a LOT of texts.  

 
Here is the rule that most people, most "considerate" people at least use where it comes to texts/emails. You text her, she texts you back, you are free to text her again. That is a "conversation" You don't make more than two texts in a row without hearing back from the person you have texted, she KNOWS that you sent her a text, and she will return said text at a time of HER convenience. What you don't do is send text after text bothering people who either can't or don't want to talk to you at the moment. THAT is how you get labeled a time waster.

 
I can only wonder just how many texts he flooded her with before she finally responded by flipping him the bird?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 120 reads
posted
39 / 49

Obviously, if she is continuing to text and ask questions before confirming my appointment, I would have that conversation as well.  I think we are in more of an agreement than not.  I would not eschew enough "conversation" to make her comfortable about the booking, and like you, when she stops texting, so do I.  My disagreement is with the practice of a lot of mongers who want to burn up her phone with flirting and small talk BETWEEN the appointment and the time for the session.  I don't need that kind of "hand-holding" and I think hookers appreciate guys who are not insecure and who don't need all of the reinforcement texts about how excited she is that he is coming to her.  For me, I made an appointment, and I will be there.  That's all I need.

sdottaylor 19 Reviews 125 reads
posted
40 / 49

Sounds an awfully lot like this thread. https://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/what-would-you-do-if---another-hypothetical-scenario-p411-locked-978417?page=

Cancellation policy or no, you cancelled 4 hours before scheduled date. You owe her something. Preferably her full fee.

NaughtyMaddy See my TER Reviews 103 reads
posted
41 / 49

Yes 4 hours is to short of notice. She now can't book another slot safely and you just wasted her damn day.

GaGambler 105 reads
posted
42 / 49

If you read between the lines of his own post, he was pestering her pretty much the entire time. He even admitted to sending her several texts before finally getting the finger in response.  

 
As you know, I tend to side with the guys in these kind of scenarios where there is an actual legitimate excuse (or at least one is claimed) notice was given, or at least as much notice as possible, and the appointment was not for a multi hour session which would cause her to waste an entire day because of his actions.

 
This case is a bit different. He booked for an hour and adding up all the texts that he has admitted to making to her, most likely she has over an hour of interaction with him for no pay at all. I don't see where she is asking for a cancellation fee, I think she just wants him to fuck off and not bother her again, and I can't say that I blame her. Can you?

 
BTW I don't see anything in any of his posts claiming that she threatened him with any actions like a cancellation fee or BLing at all. She just told him to fuck off. I most likely would do the exact same thing if I were her.

team_rocket_qwerty 35 Reviews 108 reads
posted
43 / 49

Correct, GaG.

 
My blacklist quip was more of a response to the thread, where at least two posts alluded to blacklist for these actions.

y2j 8 Reviews 101 reads
posted
44 / 49

the OP has still yet to mention the lady involved.  

nevertoolarge 30 Reviews 105 reads
posted
45 / 49

i have no intention of calling out the ladies name ...   and i didn't ruin her day .. i had only booked an hour .. and if she was soooo much in demand then in 4 hours she should have easily been able to call any of the countless other guys that i bumped.     please read with much sarcasm.  

anyway enough about this.     i have booked two appointments since with others..   she might have had both of those but i chalk it up to her inexperience as she only has a few reviews.

J0e_Fella 35 Reviews 108 reads
posted
46 / 49

Well, I promise you giving out her name, she will get plenty of booking dates and from what you have described so far. It's the least you'd be doing for her. I presume she's in Los Angeles and if that is, I'm visiting in a couple of months. Spill the beans, fellow monger :)

Posted By: nevertoolarge
Re: Name
i have no intention of calling out the ladies name ...   and i didn't ruin her day .. i had only booked an hour .. and if she was soooo much in demand then in 4 hours she should have easily been able to call any of the countless other guys that i bumped.     please read with much sarcasm.    
   
 anyway enough about this.     i have booked two appointments since with others..   she might have had both of those but i chalk it up to her inexperience as she only has a few reviews.

Snotty 104 reads
posted
47 / 49

shut the fuck up already.

sdottaylor 19 Reviews 113 reads
posted
48 / 49

Why would he name the woman involved? She didn't fuck up. HE did.

Debra_Hollander See my TER Reviews 141 reads
posted
49 / 49

In your OP, you stated you wanted to hear others' thoughts on what happened.

 
The majority of those commenting here say the gentlemanly thing to do would be to compensate her, at least a little, if not for the full amount of time you'd booked.

 
You disagree and refuse to do so, and are now making facetious remarks about a lady who, by popular opinion here, did nothing wrong.  

 
So were you really looking for opinions or were you hoping for others to be on your side and say a what short-sighted bitch she was for giving you the bird?

-- Modified on 2/11/2021 6:42:51 AM

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