Okay so get this. A young guy called me a few days ago and waited until he got downstairs to ask what I looked like. This is a 2 hour $$$$$ call and it pissed me off so much that I told him to go home! That is right. Turned down the money because HE did not do his homework and what kind of person waits until they get here to ask me from his cell phone while downstairs what I look like????
So he calls me again tonight using a different name but I knew it was him though he denied ever calling me before. I reluctantly agreed to see him thinking maybe he had learned his lesson.
He shows up, young and very handsome and very tall. He is actor handsome and well-dressed but he starts asking me a the wrong questions. He assures me he is not a cop (by this time I am fed up and want to cancel). Oh and I forgot to mention but I know his REAL name though he doesn't know it.
After asking me the wrong questions, and assuring me he is not a cop he asks "You're not a cop, are you?" At this point I slap my hands down to my side and answer "Yes I am!" He looks stunned and says "uh...no...you...aren't...are...you?" I said "Yes I am and we took over a providers ad and this is a reverse sting but you asked me if I was a cop and I HAD to say yes and now I cannot arrest you so get the HELL out of here!" I pick up the phone and "call" "Steve, my partner" and I say "He asked me if I was a cop and so I had to say yes so I guess I can't arrest him and we have to let him go!"
This kid is totally panicked. I told him to get his money (which is on my table) and get out of here before my partner gets here. And as he is hastily walking out the door I say "Listen D****, we know your real name and where you live and don't let me catch you soliciting another prostitute, you hear me, or we'll have to arrest you!!!"
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You know I probably have saved this fool from getting arrested for real! Though I may be culpabable for impersonating a cop!
I told him as he walked out, "You had better not write anything about his on the net!"
So...if this young handsome bozo writes anything...just know I had just had it with him and couldn't handle his careless behavior.
That is certainly a little odd on his part and I can see how it made you think "if he doesn't know what I look like why is he here" but it's certainly no reason to do that to him. He might just be a young guy with a busy schedule darting about, finding your name, number, description and then feeling nervous, asking that question. Impersonating a cop is not a good idea.
And in this economy turning down a solid booking is a bad move. Your perogative, of course, but unless he's drunk, high, insane, totally impolite, looks ill or shows up wanting you to strip furniture while taking it from behind, girl, what exactly was the issue?
its not my job to handle it "better". I don't get paid for that and in fact I gave him back all his money. He probably would have paid me the money to avoid an "arrest" but I wanted him out. When he started asking me the cop questions, I had no way to know if he was a cop or not. It wasn't until he left that I figured he wasn't a cop.
I hope he was scared so he won't be going to see girls and talking this way or he will be arrested when he walks into the wrong situation so I think in a way I really did him a favor.
What you fail to understand is that when a client is asking cop questions, I am not thinking "Oh I need to teach the lil' bugger not to talk this way." I am thinking "Oh shit, got to get this cop outta my home."
I was the one at risk thinking of my safety. He was the only one who knew whether or not he was a cop. I am the only one who knows whether or not I am a cop. Each party is responsible for not incriminating themselves. Its not my job to teach him nor vice versa. Start there...
You know Heather it worked out really great because 30 mins later I got a call from a more mature 43 year old who booked a longer session and made twice the money.
I don't care what the economy, I am never afraid to walk away from money when I get the "what do I get for my money" questions. I won't play that game.
He wasn't too busy, etc. He saw my ad last week and booked time only to hem and haw with "What do you look like?" He was downststairs and it was too late to start asking if I was his type. He should have done his homework before booking. He called again and lied when I asked if he has called me before but I understood he was embarassed and wanted a second chance.
But when a client says "I know there are things you cannot talk about over the phone..." and then wants to talk to me about them IN PERSON, hell I don't know if he's wired! He could have been a cop trying to bust me!
I do admit I do not have the patience for reckless behavior and I won't coddle these guys and neither will a decoy when he gets busted for real.
Dang it woman we can't help it that we were born ignorant and been losing ground since... That was my cousin that I referred him to see you as we plan to buy Maxine's in the valley and expand Hunks by Hoss to the west coast.
Well hunney youse needs to puts him to work cuz he's one fine inbred babe. Damn fine lookin'. Well dressed and most importantly hes gots all his teeth.
Not to body slam you on this issue but I have to agree with HB and the others Talisa. Considering that he was young and probably had absolutely no real clue as to what to do, say or act,(as indcated by his stupid almost borish behavior) a woman's touch, including some of that often mentioned perception we hear so much about(lol), maybe could have brought this guy around and taught him a lot. At the least it might have kept your appointment intact! Having said that, everyone usually gets more than one chance at things so there is always next time if Ive made points towards convincing you. Hope you have a great weekend Talisa.
Misty, Good question. I himmed and hawed for for months before finally doing somethng besides checking web sites. I did my homework and have been amazed at the quality and attitudes of the girls in this business. My perception before was straight out of TV land and obviously wrong. BUT if I had not done the ground work and stumbled into a bad experience, it would be a long time before I did it again. The few people I shared this with were were amazed at what I told them about the womaen I had met. They like me, had no clue as to what can be reality.
and how many times have you heard about young-looking vice cops using this very same tactic to get a girl to incriminate herself?
Would you have incriminated yourself to make this stranger who could be a vice cop more comfortable?
I am just curious but I have heard a lot of stories of girls getting busted with this tactic. It sounds to me from the responses I am getting that this would indeed be a very successful ploy for the vice to use.
THe other day i had a booking that seemed to be the "perfect" client. He called from the intersection near my house, he buzzed the intercom and arrived at my front door looking very handsome, and on time!! He was young, and attractive, and I thought in my mind, this should be fun.
I invited him in and asked if he would like a drink, and he started asking me all kinds of questions that quickly changed my thoughts of pleasure to thoughts of....ut oh is this LE?.....and then into thoughts that this guy is not LE but a complete idiot! LOL He asked me if I did BBJ and then proceded to ask if I did other stuff which was of nasty content. I told him hunny, lets just have a drink and relax and not worry about that stuff right now. THEN HE SAID........
"Well, I don't want to spend what you told me to bring.....infact I don't have that much anyway!!!" I politely took the glass out of his hand opened the front door and asked him to leave.
He stood there and said well can I at least get a massage? I politely told him that I was sorry that I could not be of assistance to him and in my MIND was thinking don't let the door hit you in the a*s! LOL
My question is this.....why wouldnt they try to negotiate before hand and save themselves the drive out to see me? And why even show up with half the donation? Did he think that I would just say, "Oh what the heck he is here anyway?" LOL
I just don't understand his reasoning.....but my prices are pretty set in stone and I feel that they are already resonable for LA, so he left and had to drive 1 hr home or maybe more with 5pm rush hour on the 405, lol!
Because they think that once they are in the door, you won't want him to leave without getting something off him. Even HB criticized me for turning away money in this economy.
I am fortunate to have another source of income, so I could easily give up this work completely and still have a way to make a living. Therefore I am not that eager to negotiate.
Many girls, especially the Russians from what I am told, have a policy to try to get something off the guy. A close friend told me he has negotiated F/S from the Russian incall places for a pretty 20 year old for as little as $100. So some guys assume ALL of us will negotiate. They think if they wait until they are here to negotiate, they have the advantage.
It is an interesting subject for speculation, Talisa, what relationship there is between the client's handsome appearance (which you mention three times for no apparent reason) and the hostility you felt and acted on. Are you assuming that someone good-looking will have some kind of obnoxious God's-gift-to-women attitude? But the very fact of his seeking out paid company would suggest that he doesn't think himself irresistible.
As for teaching him a lesson that will save him from being arrested, well maybe, if you scared him off the whole business. But what if you merely got him believing that a cop is somehow required to answer truthfully to the direct question, "are you a cop?"? That could be dangerous misinformation.
The reason I mentioned his looks is that it wasn't like I was finding an excuse to get rid of an ugly client. Also I was hoping this would trigger a memory in any other girls who have seen him or had the same experience with this guy.
You focus on my hostility, what about his? Maybe his behavior was just masked hostiity.
Besides what is wrong with being hostile in such a scenario? Where is it written that I am supposed to suppress my feelings?
Although you are clearly intelligent and quick witted, your posts as of late don't exactly give me the warm fuzzies. You seem a little down on men lately. Have you just had a bad time of it lately? I'd be a bit hesitant to book an appointment with you after reading some of your recent posts!
Why did you emphasize over and over that he was young and handsome? That seems to have really bothered you. Is it your experience that young and handsome guys are problem clients?
Sorry you read my humor is angry lately. My clients can assure you I am not. ) I am very quick-witted though and have no patience for bullshit.
Down on him being handsome and young? Are you kidding? I mentioned he was well-dressed too but do you really think I was mentioning that as a negative???
If I had described him (accurately) as "tall, young and stupid" would you have asked me why I am down on "tall, young, stupid" guys?
Since in my personal life, I lean towards handsome, believe me, it was not something I was holding against him. )
It sounds like you have been reading into my posts. Have you been down on men or women lately? If so, it could affect how you perceive my posts. Its called Projection and maybe that is what is happening with you.
No interest in being a Dominatrix. Its been made pretty clear that I have no patience for mind-games. Being a dominatrix means putting up with "mind-fucks" and playing mind games.
My style is slow, soft, quiet, healing, nurturing. Oh sure when some guy comes in looking for someone he can use and abuse, its not going to work out. But that's not my style and he needs to find someone else. Some days all the timewasters or weirdos come out and I will vent as us Venusians tend to do. (Mars And Venus)
His being young and handsome was a definate plus. In fact I have never once had a problem with his physical type before asking such questions. Usually its the geeky nerdy unattractive ones who act like that. Don't know why but that has been my experience so I was a bit taken off guard at his stupidity.
Perhaps I should do like many others do...have one handle when I want to post "phoney nice" and then another anonymous handle when I want to post my true feelings, whether good, bad or indifferent so I don't offend you. ) I do know its hard for some guys to accept a whole woman who isn't always saying Nice-Nice things. It just makes some males uncomfortable. Naw, its too much work for me to be worried about offending anyone! LOL! If you don't like me then I am the first to say you shouldn't see me. Find your type.
Notice the one thing I have not complained about is that "business is slow". It really hasn't been for me. That is why its easy for me to turn away $$$$$ when a guy says the wrong thing. This is probably why I don't worry about not being liked.
Hmmmm, I don't think I'm projecting. Just noticed a few of your posts lately contained things like copies of rude e-mails from clients and stories about clients gone bad. I asked if you were "down on men" lately in an interested offhand way, not in a shitty way.
I don't know that dominatrixes have to put up with mind fucks. I thought they GAVE them. And dominatrixes can also be slow, quiet, healing and nurturing if they're in the right situation, even with clients. I just thought you seemed a natural for that sort of job. It wasn't an insult, believe me. I've been a dominatrix before, it can be a lot of fun.
I don't know why you're saying maybe you should get an alias. You're certainly not offending me. I have to agree on one point thought - I have to admit you're NOT my type but that's because I'm a provider, not a client!
I'm glad your business has been going well. Mine has too.
When I go through a period when I get a lot of undesirables, I like to share the frustration and let the clients see what we go through because it humanizes us. Too often these guys see us as these blow-up dolls or these pussies that don't have feelings or rights. I want to put a human face on this work. I want them to have a realistic take on our lives. Its not one big porno movie.
A lot of my comments are very tongue-in-cheek...like today some bozo sent me an email with an inappropriate picture so I figured I'd share that with the rest of you and we could have a good laugh. I posted as "Best "Real" Client Photos...
I find that men who want dominatrixes are mind-fucks...from my experience. How often will they slave in the kitchen only to break something so they will be punished? That is a manipulation and I wouldn't tolerate it. I have done some light S&M, etc but its not for me. Ultimately I have no respect for men who want to be abused and I don't want to abuse anyone.
I am more into Yoga, metaphysics etc. I plan on becoming certified in Thai Yoga Massage in the near future. My personal style is the antithesis of the whole Dominatrix thing though I don't put anyone down for being into it. Its just not for me and what I have experienced gives me a headache. I made some joking reference recently about having no problem beating the s**t out of a client but it was a joke. Like when I told my friend with cancer who has to undergo chemo that if Chemo made you lose hair on your pussy, I would sign up for it...its a joke.
Man oh Man! Your just plain mean. If they seem odd or scared, let them be and close the door. It wasn't funny. It may be time to check into a mental health clinic close by.
looks? If he waited until he was downstairs and you said I'm a 4'11" blonde, he might have turned around. Maybe he meant to ask that earlier because he's read enough TER to know about bait and switch, but forgot and only asked after he was downstairs. Seems like this guy is guilty of being a newbie...not nearly the sinister, unthinking wierdo he is being made out to be.
god, talia, you did exactly the right thing. you worked from the gut and stayed in the moment.
if you can't get senseless fun out of a senseless blunder, what is life worth?
i'm guessing you mention the guy was handsome because you were kinda wet at this point thinking how you were gonna strap him down and tease him hysterical.
hold that thought -- do it to me, baby, you're my kinda woman, call me i want you now.
Thanks for posting such an insightful post. Yes you understand me! I was scared at first, I went from my gut and stayed in the moment! And had a laugh afterwards. This is a business that if you can't laugh, then you are gonna wind up messed up.
Its always baffled me how so many guys on the boards get so bent out of shape when a female is capable of handling herself or when a female expresses any anger...as if women aren't allowed to get angry when they should get angry. You know that suppressed anger turns to cancer or high-blood pressure. I feel sorry for women who feel that have to be nice-nice all the time, often jeopardizing themselves or letting the other person walk all over them.
My original intent of posting this was not for entertainment value. It was to alert everyone if this guy got on the board and tried to warn others that LE had taken over my ad that it wasn't true and here is what really happened. That was the only reason I posted and it was in haste because by the time I logged on, I had another client on the way over and didn't have a lot of time to explain all the details which may have lead the readers to believe I was simply being mean-spirited and scaring some poor innocent naive guy. I assure you that is not the case.
I am all wet and waiting for you Drollere, darling. I am sure you are even handsomer. I can't wait, you are MY type of Supplier!
In your first post I get the impression that you knew the young man was not a cop but just an ignorant young man. You decided to pay him back for wasting your time by pretending to be a cop in order to frighten him.
In your second and third posts you seem to be saying that you were not sure whether he was a cop or not. If you really were not sure then you potentially committed what I believe is a felony (impersonating a police officer) to avoid a potential misdemeanor. I do know that if he was a cop you would have been arrested because that is a crime for which they have zero tolerance. Also if he was a cop and you had pretended to be a cop and taken his money, I think they could probably add a few more charges on top of impersonating an officer.
I do not know which of your posts are closer to the truth but be careful out there.
I was in a hurry in the first post and did not make myself clear. I had no way of knowing when he asked all those cop questions but afterwards I did talk to a criminal defense lawyer and after he stopped laughing, he assured me I was fine and this was not a "impersonating a cop" situation.
You sound like a lady with a good head on your shoulders. I wish you were on the east coast so I could get to know you. You did the right thing by trusting your instincts and weren't even close to an impersonation charge. I'd give anything to have seen his face at that moment though. I would be very careful for the next couple of weeks though. If he was LE they'll try again soon. I'm lucky to have a sweetheart of a lady here in PA with a personality like yours.
being young once upon a time, and guilty of ignorance many times, I find this conduct somewhat disturbing. The fact is that you knew he wasn't a cop even before you decided to put foot down. Would any sane provider risk pissing off LE and have them slap the full book on her. I think not. Like mustang said, LE is confrontational when it comes these things. They don't run away with tail hangin below their balls.
Furthermore, should this young dude find out the truth by reading this thread, the consequence could be dire for you. Nobody likes being the fool. Now how funny do you think it would be after you pulled your stunt, and the guy said yes and he was indeed a cop. Bet he would get lots of laugh at the office. Since we know he wasn't, an innocent call to the right people may bring you plentiful troubles. Vengeance plays itself in many places....especially when it comes in a balding, donut enhanced physique with good manners and non cop questions.
As far as the pot question, it was wrong but maybe prompted by what he had heard through the grapevine. However, the fellow who made the appointment and insists that he doen't have the money with another provider, that's a different issue having nothing to do ignorance but more so with malice. If the ignorant guy is indeed that sob then it was a delima (Something that could be found out on the provider only board or site.) In which case, the best route is doing what the professionals do...say, " i'm sorry this session is over with." No drama, no patting yourself on the back, no justifying unprofessional behaviour, and no repurcussions.
Had he said he was a cop I would have demanded Department ID then said "Let's go". I am not afraid of the police. If anyone threatened me with "dire consequences" I would be at the West LAPD filing a report so fast it would make your head spin. )
I am more concerned with clients and website owners who take advantage of the fact that sex for money is illegal and use this to gain free sex for good reviews or to gain some psychological control over the girls. I am glad the cops are around because without them, certain males get out of control. I don't hate the police and I am glad they are around. We need them.
talisa, reading you post...why would you post such a stupid thing on this board...clearly you are not into marketing yourself. i don't know you but if you are into scaring and having fun at someone's expense...your reputation will be tarnish.
i've just lost respect for you and reading some of the other posts some have not taken positive to your posts. everyone makes mistakes...you clearly new he was a newbie in this hobby and you made him feel bad...hence your subject header..."fun with young ignorant guys".
you could have done a better job possibly screening or just flat out said you did not want to see him the second time. its one thing to make fun of someone and humiliate them and make them feel bad but then to post it on a public forum to further humiliate them and display your personality is even worse and a stupid business decision on your part.
Let me explain something to you, I don't care about earning your respect. Your respect means nothing to me. I respect myself and that is the only respect I need. You hide behind an alias while I have the courage to post as my working name. If earning other people's respect was so gosh-darn important, I would have become a nun, not a call-girl.
I am surprised you didn't figure out why I posted this incident up on this board. It was so if he started saying that LE had taken over my ad, everyone would know its not true and what really happened and why. Otherwise there would have been no reason to post it here. Perhaps I could have come up with a better header, one that was less offensive to you but I was in a hurry so you'll have to forgive that oversight.
You were not in my shoes. Had you been, considering he wouldn't leave when asked and things were tense, and he wouldn't shut up, you may have done the same thing. It also sounds like you are not a working girl because the ones I shared this with, laughed their asses off! (not to mention several male friends)
I was being gracious by allowing this kid a second chance even though he was lying to me about having called before. I realized he was probably embarassed so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Let's hope he never calls a provider again because if he continues on that road, he will surely get into trouble and as annoying as I found his reckless behavior, I would not wish that on him.
I assure you, I have my fair share of admirers. If I were worried about being liked, I wouldn't be posting on these boards in the first place. Or I would be phoney syrupey nice and play stupid so that you would like me, or I would be doing you for free. I got over worrying about "being liked" when I graduated high school, didn't you?
I have never desired to be liked by everyone. I am very selective myself and desire a certain level of clientele. From my experience, whenever I post something controversial, I win over quite a few intelligent gentlemen, the types I want to see, the types who aren't intimidated by a strong woman of substance, men who understand me.
Clearly you are not one of these people. Be glad we both know this so we won't waste our time. This may come as a shock, but I really don't want every type of client coming to see me. I have a type I like too.
Somet things just don't add up...I didn't read all of the posts to see if anyone raises this...But you said he found your ad on the net, yet he doesn't know what you look like (Strage enough as it is)...Ok, so you told him not to write anything online, but yet you are online bragging about this? Wouldn't he know?? Just don't add up for me
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