Hello--
I'm a curious woman looking to have an experience with another woman.  Is there a way to locate providers who are particularly interested in having women clients?   I know many providers have couples as clients, but I'm looking more for someone who caters to curious women.  Any help would be much appreciated.

I see women but not couples. Just ask GirlinDC. Oh and WebTerriost your next!!

Naughtiness
Kadi

"two girl action" for those who say "yes - really bi", and then look for someone in your desired area with whatever particulars you would like.  Many providers would be receptive to this, from what I have seen.

You see women?
and you're in Vegas?
and you know who the Hell I am?

Oh, but you've seen Ms DC?...yeah, I can't follow Ms DC...I would only be that much worse in comparison....and I ain't much to start with.

You might want to post this on your local board and ask for PM's.  You can look up the profile of any lady who responds and read their reviews.

I think you're going to receive a great response.

Don't forget to write a review for Aphrodite's sake!

Webbie Darling

Yes
Yes
Yes and Yes

But you see GirlinDC & I kinda have a bet so I must have you!! LOL. But no worries I can definately teach you a few things or more!

Naughtiness
Kadi

that this is nonsense and that you simply know that once you get some, you aren't going to be able to prevent yourself from becoming addicted to pussy like the rest of us and that you are fighting the fact that you are actually a raving lesbian nymphomaniac just waiting to be released?

As Milli Vanilli said, "Girl, you know it's true..."

What are the details of this bet, and how can I get in on it? What are the odds?

As one totally hot bi chickee.  I hope she corrupts you, and good, WebT.  

I'll be writing a review later this week.  Just been kind of crazy around here.

Where at?  Can give some recommendations for certain locations...

Have seen a couple women solo, but they were both more than plain and unappealing.  Love seeing women, but only if sexy, fit and decently attractive, so simply screen better, asking for body pics.  With men, am more open re looks...  Strange how that works!

Unless you've got something else going on that you are not sharing. I meet all kinds of women who don't like men at least not for sex so unless you are under a rock or scared to ask, then me thinks you might have some other issues. Sorry, I don't buy that a "curious" woman has to troll TER for any kind of action. Be you single, married, or just nuts, you can go to almost any tity bar and they might jump your bones for a $1. And yes, if you are asking, there a many providers who will be glad to have sessions with you for their rates. You left out some details... is this the first time, for example?

an honest answer, that the hard facts are despite any bets, or what someone may be as a person, this is what it really comes down to...and this why like it or not I will never be able to write an email or pick up a phone and participate in the "hobby".

Thank you for being honest about it, it was really what had kept me from trying, and now despite that all the guys, and the desireable women like Ms DC tell me eslewise, I now know my fears were well founded...eh, I may die a vrigin, but I shall take some solice in at least knowing I was right.

I can't give it away...and I can't pay someone to haul it off.

This is one person's opinion.  Why do you have to latch onto the negative and ignore all the encouragement?

Frankly, what is poison to one can be nectar to another - and you need not cast the blame at the food so much as the person who chooses to eat it.  Do you understand what I'm driving at?

Stop looking for a reason not to do something, ignore the ignorant, and instead opt to go down the road less - never - travelled.  You may enjoy the journey more than you think.

Imagine the rest of us at your back, prodding you forward ....

ATB, Aphra

-- Modified on 9/14/2005 5:47:24 AM

Webbie I think you are a beautiful person and my hero (you know why) I really wish you could see what I see in you. And don't worry about what other people think what you think about yourself is the most important thing in life. So you know fuck them if they can't see how beautiful you really are.

Naughtiness
Kadi

'I can't give it away...and I can't pay someone to haul it off.'

Now that's not exactly true, dear Webbie. You can pay, and someone will haul it off, but you're being picky about which truck comes to do it.

I suggest you throw the dice with the first one, get that whole "virginity" thing off your chest, and then, like the rest of us, enjoy the subsequent search for new discoveries.

-- Modified on 9/14/2005 6:41:10 AM

Okay, since I am getting good at upsetting people I care about on here...

If you think NYC Indie's IMO somewhat shallow response is indicative of how most women are on here, you are holding on too tightly to your fears.  If you are going to ignore all the kind and sexy women that have basically laid themselves at your feet just because one person feels otherwise, I think you might be right...you aren't ready to be with someone intimately.

You know I respect you and enjoy your intelligence and sincerely wish you joy here, but as with all things in life, this scenario is something that you have to take a chance with.  Whatever is guiding you to hold on so tightly to your fears to where so much kindness and temptation by beautiful, enlightened, sensual women is so easily shrugged off may be something that is beyond your ability at this point to let go of.

Although it is not necessary, as I know you have been offered by more than one person this service without charge, I would be more than happy to organize a WT fundraiser, if necessary.  I would offer an address for people to send funds to, or set up a paypal funds could be directed to for this, to allow you to have this experience with the lady of your choice.  However, I know you won't do it, and that is the sad part of all this.

I am not saying this as criticism, in any way, shape or form.  You know I think you are cool.  I'm sorry, though...you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink (and, please, don't jump on my horse analogy).  Be willing to take a chance...or let's start calling a spade a spade.  The only reason you could die a virgin is if you choose to, and continue to hold yourself back.  You are NOT "right", and for you to be able to "give it away", you have to be willing to.  I know it may take a long time and a lot of encouragement to overcome whatever demons you have keeping you from this, but the reality isn't remotely that NYC Indie is showing you truth and all there other wonderful people aren't.  Spare me.  There is never one truth to anything...as Miss Sola helped me realize last night.

I hope someday soon you will open up and take a chance...there is too much good stuff in you to get out.  Let it go, girl.

Yes, this would be a first time.  Yes, I realize I could probably pick up a woman anywhere, but I would prefer to pay a professional than pick up some thing in a  bar.  I'm actually looking for a provider who would be in the high level, upscale category.  And, in fact, have thought about becoming a provider and could place myself in that category if I were to begin to work in the profession.   So... basically, I'm very particular-- probably like a lot of guys who could find 'it' anywhere, but prefer not to.  Hope that explains it!

for a professional.  I have very high standards for myself regarding grooming, dressing, etc. and find that many non-professional women don't have those same standards.  

And I understand your 'double-standard'-- I'm much more open to mens looks/bodies than I would be to women (in regards to sleeping iwth them).

I don't see the problem, except that they want you more than they want me!!!  If you want, I'll hold your hand and we can go together.  You can even blindfold me if you want.  Kadi can attest, I'm more of a touchy-feely person than a visual person.

If a girl wants a guy, then picking one up isn't that hard.  Anyone who knows about the dating scene knows that's the easiest dynamic possible.

Now, if a guy wants a girl, that's far more difficult.  There's only one thing even *more* difficult.  A girl who wants another girl.  Why?  Part of it is simple mathematical odds.  There are far more straight than gay women (let's leave out bi women in this instance, as they go either way...but the odds are approximately 4 times worse finding a gay woman, mathematically...the odds do  vary depending on your geography).  

So, by math alone, it is much harder to find one who's gay/bi and  shares a mutual attraction.  This is also compounded by the fact alot of people in society are against the gay thing and you have to watch your step finding out if someone is gay in the first place.  Some people get insulted if they're even asked that question or flirted with.

Now, many women are just as picky about women as they are men.  Meaning we have to go through *every* single hurdle you guys bitch about all the time (the good ones are taken, they want a relationship not something casual, they're picky about looks, money, clothes, car etc.).  We're no more likely to run into a hot girl looking for an good time with no attachments than you men, and that is AFTER we go through the figuring-out-if-she's-gay hurdle.

Quite frankly, if anything, women have even more of an incentive than men in seeking out female companionship.  

That said, there are women who are perfectly capable of getting a date the usual way, much like many male hobbyists, but choose to hobby for the same reasons men like that do.  Convenience, variety, like playing the field, no-strings-attached-fun, having an SO but like to have sex on the side etc.  

Oh, and titty bars aren't great for picking up a girls.  I've dated a couple strippers but frankly the girls I've met at gay clubs have generally been better picks.

Good come backs and I really see some of the dynamics that both of you speak of and not knowing much about you, let me go out on a limb and say that it's also not as hard as you've positioned it either.

I have had the education of a lifetime when it comes to women who want to get with other women. You see, I dated someone who openly told me about her dilemma while in college. We smoked lots of marijuana and other medicinal aids in order for her to get some perspective on the gravity that had been pulling her for many years it seems. Now the luxury of dating her was that I got invited to quite a few parties where I saw close up many of the dynmanics that like you I agree are not as apparent to the leering public.

One of our favorite hobbies was to go to strip clubs so that she could live out some of these fantasies under the cover of being bi-sexual. I was able to meet some of the same ladies whose orientation was not toward women and guess what, I even got lucky a few times w/o trying.

In retrospect, many of those ladies while gorgeous, were not the type to take home to mother, but then again, I was just being a slut puppy and doing my part. We also met people while on vacation, housewives, and other ordinary people; she was a chick magnet. For her, all of this was a sort of therapy, she was trying to find herself. We did not do the three-some thing as she was clearly uncomfortable as it was and hell, I only got to be with her usually when we had gotten so high that driving to a party was not an option. But then again, I also loved her for all the other parts of her that I cannot share in this space.

Today, she lives as a lesbian and while we don't hang out anymore, I know the world she lives in quite well. Most of the men hobby for all the reasons you mentioned, but most of them would also trade these emotionally vapid trysts for something and someone, more loving, real, and fun. The real disconnect with the hobby is just that, almost no one is emotionally available and that my friends is what we all seek no matter what the hobby purists decry. Human contact and emotion are the cornerstones for how we exist as a species: To relax, love, debate, hold...Count us lucky who have other emotional outlets outside of the hobby. Why do you think that guys talk about ATF, GFEs and the like? I think you all know that is a lot less about sex than the value they find in the company of these ladies. For many, the price is just that and nothing else. Equally, though, you have the vast majority of people who drift into this world who become more depressed and disoriented than when they come in; the hobby can be cruel too. Sounds harsh, but it's true. So whether the hobby is the best place to find your way is debateable and if you choose to partake on both sides of the door, good for you. There are certainly ladies that can upset your applecart and there are people who'll break your heart and that's in play no matter where you play.

Unfortunately, none of us have knowledge of the certainty of the moment when it all comes together. The next time you find yourself wanting to be with someone, just make sure you know what you want. Whether in a titty bar, gay bar, or in the hotel lobby, the human part of us can't help but exist.

You're talking to a lesbian who's been dating women since she was 13.  That's over 17 years of dating.  I also have tons of gay and bi ex-gfs (well in the double-digit figures) and friends (in the triple-digits).  I've casually dated dozens of women and also had long-term relationships of 3+yrs.

So literally speaking, I really have had a *first-hand* knowledge of an education of a lifetime of dating women and knowing women who date women.  Not just living through the experiences of one friend.  I am well aware of what the dating scene is like in DC as well as other places throughout the US and to a limited degree, in other countries.

Last week, I saw a provider.  I'm also been dating a civie gal casually for 2 months now and have had an on-off fling with a married gal.  Seeing providers while seeing civies is not unusual for a hobbyist of either gender.  There are plenty of married male hobbyists who do this for fun but are emotionally content with their wives, friends and the rest of their life.  

My points stand: 1) titty bars are not a great place for women to pick up women, 2) women can pick up women, just as men can, but it *is* harder and that is a fact, 3) women can hobby as one of many outlets to meet women, just as men can, and also meet their quota of emotional fulfillment in other ways.

In fact, I definitely have never advised going into the hobby for the emotional fulfillment...completely the opposite.  It is for fun with no strings attached.  Civie dating is what you do for emotional attachment.  If I thought that is what she was asking for, I'd tell her not to go there because NO ONE should be hobbying to look for a loving, emotionally fulfilling relationship!  That is a huge mistake.

If it's just for fun, the hobby is as at least as good as picking up a stripper at a nudie bar.  If that's suppose to be the "best avenue" suggestion of yours, I again have to seriously question your judgment.

Btw, I never needed marijuana or any other medicinal aids to figure out I liked girls or to have the guts to approach them.  That has never been my problem.  I say that to show your experience with your friend is very much YMMV when it comes to bi and lesbian women.

and expert and alas I shared the "view" through the person I knew best (though not the only) and unlike you most of the people I knew struggled with the decisions that seemed to have come natural for you. I don't think we disagree on much and if you had a chance to pick my brain I am sure we'd be simpatico on many levels. Your natural penchant for woman kind is admirable, I only think you can share your experience through the lense as you see it; however darkly. I cannot dispute your POV nor really can you mine. I think the time and venues where you came to know you are probably not very different, but the same goes for this newbie. It did sound to me in her subsequent description that she might be looking for a little more than just sex, but if she plans to go the route of the hobby, perhaps her pursuit is a little more pedestrian that I surmised. At any rate, she may get the quality of experience from someone as experienced in the "arts" as you, but she'll find in time that even the best provider is not the emotional inlet she seeks.

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Sorry HF, but I don't see that we have anything much in agreement.  I never saw a thing Elena posted that remotely suggested she wanted anything more than a fun time.

I will dispute your POV when I think you're wrong, because it bugs me when a guy giving an advice thinks his opinion on girl/girl dating is as valid as a lesbian's.  If this were about providing, your POV as a hobbyist would not be as accurate as that of a long-time provider's.  That is simply the fact of the matter.  

I am pretty reasonable and open to hearing different people's opinions, but I am not going to  nod and give you the "ok your opinion is just another view" when I consider your opinions on g/g dating and hobbying to be seriously off-the-mark.    

To sum it up short and sweet:  Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.

Rest assured I am not going to to grovel like one of your maidens in need of your affection. If you read the post on g/g, my frame of reference was of a 'Live' situation. So it is real big of you put down someone's opinion because it's 360 degrees different than your own. But I guess someone died and made you KING. Just like a lesbian to believe than a non-lesbian can't speak on a subject unless they are a card carrying and annointed by you. I am un-moved. Good day.

-- Modified on 9/14/2005 9:48:37 PM

but I don't think Ms DC was putting down your opinion because it differed from hers (oh and it would 180 degrees...if it were 360 degrees it would be full circle and the same as hers...sorry) anyway...she was taking a counter point to what you said, because she disagreed with you.

In this thread, she didn't even seem to have an issue with you having an opinion, but simply stated that your opinion on what it means to be a lesibian, is less valid than the opinion of an actual lesbian.

That's not to say you have no opinion, or right to an opinion just that it is a bit of stretch to say because you have known lesbians, or watched a couple lesbians or bi-sexual women have sex that you therefore know what it is like to be one.

I have always had male friends, one of my biggest influences, growing up was my older brother.  My closest friends have always been males, all through school, and one of my best friends now is a man.  They have shared many things with me, and whereas I may have some insights into the male experience from that, I wouldn't claim to know what it is like to be a man.

What would your reaction be if right now I said, your point is actually completely wrong, not because you don't understand the "lesbian" experience, but because you are wrong on how men are?  That men don't want what you say they do, that what you have experienced as a man isn't what my male friends have...therefore since my past and current times of being around my male friends has taught me exactly what men want, my opinion is just as valid as that of an actual man, and since we disagree, and you are one man but I've known lots of men, my opinion on what men really want is more valid than yours.

Come on you would laugh at that and you know it.
I'm not a man so I can't know what it is like to be a man...and anyone that would give my opinion on the male experience as much weight as the experiences of a man would be a little crazy to do so.

Hey, Dian Fossey lived with gorillas, she has done some of the definitive work in the study of gorillas...but if it could do so, I would trust what an actual gorilla told about what being a gorilla was all about over all her works.

Now, all that said, you are both right in that there is no one lesbian or bisexual female experience, just as not all men have the same things happen in their lives and all straight women don't see things in the same way.  I think as lesbians go, Ms DC and I are about as polar opposite as you get.  I do agree with her on some things, and not on others, on some things we see eye to eye, and on others it is nothing short of a comedy of misunderstandings.

Oh, and in the interest of full disclosure, I have never groveled to, sought the affection of, or been annointed by Ms DC.  She and I have a sort of unwritten mutal non-annointment pact...I mean I like her and all, I actually think quite highly of her (despite what anyone may think -bit of an inside joke...so inside the person I'm joking with not even get it-   ) but we keep our chrisms to ourselves.  

One more thing, Ms DC isn't really the "KING" type...she's more Fem.

And finally...you lost a lot of beenfit of the doubt of how much you know or actually care about any lesbians with the line, "Just like a lesbian to believe..." stereotyping? generally not the mark of someone that values or understands anything about a given group...I'm gonna go with you were joking though...like I'll go with you were joking with the "KING" thing", and not trying to purposefully be offensive.

please don't even respond any further.

HandsFree has said all that needs to be said here.
; )

but...ummm....oooopps.  
Sometimes I don't know when to shut-up...Ms DC, I think, would agree with that.  

...I still have this irresistible urge to follow up your post with...

"Blah blah blah"  

Have to concur with GirlinDC on the numbers thing.  Living in a conservative state...in the city maybe hundred bars…two cater to queer females.  You have to work damn hard to get laid.  I see a provider during the day and don’t stress if I don’t bring home anyone on a night out because I already had my fun.   I lurked a long time before trying the hobby my biggest fear was not being treated like a regular client…but have found providers to be very accepting.

opponent, Bizzaro Superdude... battling with a minimum of brain power they will fire neurons at 50 paces.  The one who actually gets a release of neurotransmitters firsts wins....  

Johnny, what will our winner win?

Well they will get a FREE subscription to the non-VIP TER Website.  they will also get a tounge lashing from Bond, Miss Emma Bond paid for by themselves and a huge SPAMing for their enjoyment.