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Scammer's seem to be increasing, What should clients do to protect themselves ?
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I have a burner phone but its the same phone and number I have been using for a few years. I would be stupid to think something over that time cant be traced to me. I changed my email from g mail to proton mail. Other than that my security measures are the same they have been for a while.  I don't play in a big city ( unless traveling ) and do a lot of research before I contact anyone. I think a security review might be in order. What do others think or how have you changed to better protect yourself  ?

I’m learning it goes both ways as a provider who just recently started paying for advertising it’s not worth the risk because everyday I get so many bs scammers from ads trying to hack into our Eros, slixa & tryst accounts it’s absolutely ridiculous.  

I have been using only TER for, so many years & Twitter is good. Many of my TER clients do not write reviews, but this is a trusted site. I think if you stick to reputable verified providers who care about their business & brand you should be successful in your endeavors. I always look to see if a provider is actively whitelisting TER members. I do even if they don’t write a review because it’s a personal vouch. Sometimes I will see names of providers I know, or met in real life at a TER M&G and that carries a little weight in my opinion. Maybe it’s because I care about the community and have been apart of TER for so very long. lol Smile for me!

If you are able to in your area I would reccommend that you use a reputable Agency.  Also have a look to see if they have any reviews here or on other reputable websites.

so I have several "burner" numbers on my phone that I use for different types of hobbying. Some don't require a link to your main phone number which is a plus. Even using phone numbers like that is never 100% untraceable as long as you're using them on a phone that's in your name, but I think the chances of having any issues with them are slim.

Honestly, since I have been using TER, I have not been scammed. Now, using TER means more than just reading reviews. It means reading them with a critical eye. How many reviews does she have? Do the reviewers have a history that confirms they are not fake accounts? Does she have recent reviews? Are there clues in the reviews that are red flags?

In doing this, the worst that's happened to me is the provider wasn't everything I had hoped. Maybe her photos were a little air brushed. Maybe they were a little dated and she was older. Maybe I was led to believe there would be DFK and it was more like LFK. But no one tried to take my money and run and not provide the service promissed.

Before I came savy to using TER, I had my share of run ins with scammers. It's what led me to look and find TER.

Since you mention scammers that seems it might be open to a number of possibilities.  

 
Certainly your research should help week out the not as advertised scammers. But phones and email don't really matter there.

 
The worry about phones and emails seems more about tracing back to you, as you mention at the start. Both can certainly help there but as you note, the longer you use the same (and for email that would include doing things like creating aliases for you main email account) the higher the chances someone will put some things together. To a certain extent I think that misses the bigger issue on that. Big Data and the plethora of ML/AI tools to sift though all that data. All of your online interactions are ultimately public information on some level (content is a bit better protected). Keeping you various activities segregated is probably the best you can do here. For that you need to always keep in mind which activity you are in and not then switch to another you want cleanly separated from the former so you're not leaving all the bread crumbs (or cookies and trackers marketing/research companies, ISP and social networking companies like so much for spying).  

 
While I don't do it any longer, on approach I would use is VPN for all my internet connections. And then when I wanted to check out some ad site or review/discussion site related to P4P I would change the connection and location on the VPN first. I found that a pain, and realized I was just not that worried about it so stopped fairly quickly.  But if you're not using a VPN I would suggest at least that. Since you mention Proton, you could also use their Secure Core connect, or even their TOR option as well.

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1) Develop a group of trusted regulars. Think "no more verifications", deposits, or "surprises" with bait-and-switch. Frequently, you will get better pricing, too. I treat my regulars like the goddesses they are. Occasionally, one of them will "lend" me to one of their friends. Nothing wrong with that!

2) If you must go outside your circle of regulars, live-and-breath by TER reviews. The only time I've been scammed is when seeing an un-reviewed escort.

Good Luck...

Thanks for the thoughts and ideas. I never have been scammed and want to keep it that way. You can get a phone and number without any trace, or you used to able to. I got a track phone and number years ago with cash only. No forms or questions from track phone. A year or two ago Version bought track phone so I loaded up a few years of service ( with cash ) before the sale. At the end of the day I am not sure it matters if you have a android phone. Goggle can track your position and could easily figure out your home location by input from any other goggle services. I do stick close to my regulars and do heavy research on any one I might see. P-411 and TER  are a must have.  
Sounds like I am in the middle lane and I am happy with that.    

"Goggle can track your position and could easily figure out your home location by input from any other goggle services."

 
If you turn off GPS and location services, there is no way Google can track you AFAIK. You expose your cell tower location with using wireless, but aside from that it will be extremely difficult to track you especially if you layer vpn on top. All your internet traffic will go through an encrypted tunnel (vpn) and your signal will be one of many thousands near that tower. I posted on here already, but unless FBi or whatever knows you're in vicintiy of the tower and they really want to find you, they most likely will if you spenda lot of time in one place.  

 
But otherwise, its more than enough security in that vector. Most people overinvest in some security layers while completely neglecting others. The bad actors will most often use the path of least resistance to break your security.

I've talked about this in the past, but in general, operational security, opsec, is severely lacking in the hobby. Nobody understands it, and that leaves *everyone involved* vulnerable. Let me fix that for you.

 
Some generalities you should operate under, if I may:

-If you send information to someone, assume they keep it forever, assume that other people have access to it both with and without their knowledge/consent/intent.

-A phone in your pocket tracks your location within 10 feet anywhere it has service. It sees every wifi network around you. It sees every bluetooth device around you. It doesn't need to connect to any of the above in order to track you. It serves that data to a variety of parties without your direct consent because you gave it blanket consent to do so when you clicked "I agree". Every app installed on your phone has access to this information, directly or indirectly, even the apps that you cannot uninstall.

-Your activities on a device are 100% tracked and used to deanonymize you. A VPN doesn't really help. Deanonymization is easy, and sold as a turnkey service to anyone who wants it.

-Protonmail only protects your messages if the person you're emailing also has proton mail, otherwise everything is out in the open and gets read and categorized by everyone in charge of sending that email to its destination.

-Every credit/debit transaction you make, every payment app you use, broadcasts those payments, and where and when they happened, to the world. You, yourself might not be able to see it, but, it's now part of your digital identity forever. Cash does not have this problem.

 
 
I get that all of the above sounds bleak as hell. That's because reality *is* bleak as hell. Quite literally the best you can do is remove yourself from the 'low hanging fruit' category. If you have a separate phone for your hobby activities, good. You've probably already exposed yourself with it. Turn it off, hit it with a hammer and throw it away. Then, buy yourself a visa gift card, go on ebay/swappa, buy yourself a used phone.

Once you get your used phone, DO NOT TURN IT ON. Go find public wifi, libraries are an easy one, indie coffee shops are another, coffee shops usually require you to buy something, buy something with cash, I know it's inconvenient but, you can stare at the barista's tits the whole time so, silver lining. While you're doing this, leave your real phone at home. If your car is new, and web connected, don't park it by the place with the free wifi, park it a few blocks away at some other establishment. Bonus points if you then frequent that establishment with your debit/credit card before getting down to business.

So, you're in public wifi, nobody's tracked you yet. Turn your burner phone on, set it up. Use new accounts/emails/etc ONLY. Using that phone, buy a VPN service. NORDvpn is a popular option, others exist, doesn't matter, get one, pay for it. Install that VPN app, turn it on, turn on the feature that turns off network access while the app isn't running. Nothing bad has happened yet if you've limited yourself to this guide. Good job so far. If you've gone outside of this guide, sledgehammer your phone, start over.

 
Crypto: Buy monero. If you need a primer on this, google it, watch a youtube video, it's not hard. All other crypto is the same as using your debit card, ie, tracked, unless you can buy it with cash.

 
Apps/Communications. First things first, you need web browsers. Yes, plural. Good choices are Brave, DuckDuckGo, Vivaldi, Firefox. Get all of them. Pick one, use that to login to your hobby email. Pick a different one, that's how you'll browse for ads. Pick a different one again, use that for hitting socials and researching girls you're interested in. Pick another one, use that for paying for your VPN service and anything else you need to pay for. If you have any activities outside of that, you need a browser for those activities. Never, ever, use a browser for something it's not supposed to use. When you're done with a browser activity, force close it. Don't allow it to run in the background.
 Notice, you don't have a SIM card, you're not paying for cell net access or service. This is intentional, those track you, you can't turn it off, so you're not going to use it. Instead, you're going to pay for your texts with cryptocurrency, specifically Monero. Here's a list of companies that'll allow you to do that: https://cryptwerk.com/companies/sms/xmr/ Most have apps that allow you to text through them, some don't, so, do your research there, use your research browser. You'll also need to be able to make calls, here's a link for that: https://cryptwerk.com/companies/voip/xmr/ same story as above.
I know that instagram/snapchat/facebook/twitter/etc are very convenient places to find potential girls. Ideally, you wouldn't use them at all, less ideally, use the website versions of them, some allow this, others don't, but, in a dedicated browser, pretty safe to do so. Much less ideally is, installing the app when you need it, then uninstalling it when you're done and before you move locations. I personally do not use any of the above, it's simpler.
Once you're all setup, put your hobby phone into airplane mode, then turn it off, walk back to your car, go home.

 
Hygiene. Your hobby phone, and thus your hobby activities, cannot be turned on within 5 miles of where you live or where you work. It also should never be turned on while you are on the move, that is, walking, or driving, or the sort. Failure to do this will deanonymize you in an instant. If you slip up, sledgehammer your phone and start over.

 
Data Don'ts. Don't give out your real name. Congrats, your name is Johnny, a little on the nose, but, nobody's going to question it seriously. Don't give out pictures of yourself, leave that as a mystery. Don't give your your TER username. Forget you have p411 (it's a massive honeypot, likely compromised without the operators knowing, likely already tied back to you). Fine to show all of the above in person, provided they're not written down or noted in any way.

 

 
I can hear you now, but Sauce but Sauceee, doing all that will limit the girls I can seeeee. Who cares? There's not  a shortage of women in this world who will let you get your beak wet for a little scratch. None of these women are running secure operations. None of these women are above leverage. None of them care about any of this, nor can you trust them to care as much as you, nor can you guarantee they won't make a mistake if they are. Zero. Act accordingly.  

In terms of screening requirements, simply ignore them. A solid 80% of the time, they're not mandatory. You have money, they have a vagina, anything that prevents one being exchanged for the other is bad for business. If she wants a business card, well, business cards are cheap, and you can print *whatever you want* on them. Use your imagination, Johnny McRealson's Personal Services LLC with your VOIP number on it will do fine, she's not going to check, and probably couldn't if she wanted to because google sucks now. If a girl puts up a fuss, move on and don't bother her.

 
Now with your great power of being an absolute ghost, use it responsibly, be good to the women you see, odds are their lives are harder than yours. Also, don't use any of the above to do something illegal, it won't keep you hidden from the feds for more than 60 seconds or so, and they'll use the fact that you're doing it to make things harder on you.

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