: TER General Board Discussion : SB

maxdogooder 2464 reads

posted 11 years ago

1 / 27

what is the average rate for a sugar baby arrangement? I know it really depends on the sugar baby...

I would like to know the normal going rate if there is such a thing?

For example in escorts incall, I think 400 to 500 per hour is the sweet spot. what would the sweet spot be for sugar bowl?

Thanks

GaGambler 834 reads

posted 11 years ago

2 / 27

How much does an apartment cost?

Tough to answer, isn't it?

Without knowing where, how long, how hot, how exclusive, etc your question is impossible to answer.

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 698 reads

posted 11 years ago

3 / 27

The question is not impossible for Zangari to answer. He knows...

...everything there is to know about the SD/SB world. Just ask him - he'll tell you so. LOL!

Posted By: GaGambler

Tough to answer, isn't it?

Without knowing where, how long, how hot, how exclusive, etc your question is impossible to answer.

GaGambler 455 reads

posted 11 years ago

4 / 27

True that, BUT can he tell me how much an apartment costs??? lol eom

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JohnyComeAlready 754 reads

posted 11 years ago

5 / 27

One time I visted a provider....

and she told me she was looking for a SD, I think she might have settled for a pimp. What ever she was after I told her I wasn't the guy for her.

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 774 reads

posted 11 years ago

6 / 27

a very attractive lady in Philadelphia was asking for

ten thousand dollars a month to give up providing and be available for the SD who provided it.

This was last spring or summer. Except for the fact that I am married and would be sort about $9000 every month to even consider it.

Durhamdrew 19 Reviews 747 reads

posted 11 years ago

7 / 27

Re: a very attractive lady in Philadelphia was asking for

10K buys a lot of time.

Posted By: Dr. joe

ten thousand dollars a month to give up providing and be available for the SD who provided it.

This was last spring or summer. Except for the fact that I am married and would be sort about $9000 every month to even consider it.

RichardLongwood 604 reads

posted 11 years ago

8 / 27

As noted, it depends ...

It varies by city, but in any place other than NYC, LA, and SF, $200 per date for a decent, fun, attractive SB rated 7 to 8 seems to be the starting price for 2-3 hours or longer. In those 3 cities, the rates are higher. In any city, $400 or $500 should get you a very reasonable selection of 8s and 9s and possibly 10s, though not all of them.

A very rough rule of thumb is that 1 hour with a decent pro will cost about the same as 3 hours or so with a good SB in the same city.

I have friends who pay $500 for overnight with a 9, $400 for 2 dates with an 8, and $0 for an 8.5 (she get insulted at the offer of money). It can be VERY cost effective if you work at it.

Zangari 804 reads

posted 11 years ago

9 / 27

Sugar 101

've been recently posting sugar threads on the Erotic Highway board. It seems like a better fit there.

Here's a rule of thumb: whatever you're giving your ATF for an hourly session, offer that to a top-tier SB as a once a week arrangement. My sugar rates below are for cow country, where a one hour P411 session goes for $250--$300.

First date: $100 for a lunch/dinner date. She'll want to see your photos beforehand. Send her two recent selfies, and date them. Don't send anything explicit. Important: Ask if her photos are recent.

On the first date: If she's smoking hot, offer her your ATF one hour session rate, once a week. Describe your last arrangement as an "intimate arrangement". Don't say anything explicit. Don't ask for sex on that first date. Be a gentleman & dress well.

Wait for her to contact you for date #2. If she's interested, she'll text you. Things will move quickly after that. There's more on this on the Erotic Highway board. Good luck. --

maxdogooder 535 reads

posted 11 years ago

10 / 27

Re: How much does an apartment cost?

What about in NYC outer broughs, Looks 8 performance 8, trying out the arrangement for 6months and not exclusive to one SD.

I think the appeal is that it would be an actual relationship more then just sex....

Any imput??

Zangari 526 reads

posted 11 years ago

11 / 27

Re: As noted, it depends ...

Posted By: RichardLongwood

It varies by city, but in any place other than NYC, LA, and SF, $200 per date for a decent, fun, attractive SB rated 7 to 8 seems to be the starting price for 2-3 hours or longer --snip--

SBs don't charge by the hour, omg. Sex by the hour = Provider. You must be shopping for SBs on Craigslist or Backpage. Do you really think a College SB is going to a hotel with you for 2-3 hours for $200. You're sugar-dating hookers, for chrissakes. Get a clue.

And why would anyone bother with an SB who's a 7 or an 8. You can easily fuck those 7s & 8s on P411 till doomsday. --z

Zangari 689 reads

posted 11 years ago

12 / 27

Re: How much does an arrangement cost?

Posted By: maxdogooder

What about in NYC outer broughs, Looks 8 performance 8, trying out the arrangement for 6months and not exclusive to one SD. I think the appeal is that it would be an actual relationship more then just sex.... Any imput??

I don't know why you'd settle for an 8/8. I'm sure your ATF is an 8/8. I can get a beautiful college SB 9/9 for a $300 weekly allowance, fucking once a week. You described your local provider "sweet spot" at $400-$500, so you should be able to get a 9/9 SB with a weekly allowance of $400-$500.

The tricky part is this: SBs are more selective than providers, and the criteria varies from SB to SB. I once read a Sugar forum where one SB was giving a new girl some advice. "Find a guy who you can imagine having sex with", is what she advised. Here's what my current SB said to me on our first date. "You're not bad looking". LOL. Considering that she's a goddess and I'm old enough to be her father, I'll take that compliment every time. I'm nowhere near as good looking as her boyfriend. But at that moment, she could imagine having sex with me. That's really critical. She texted me for Date #2, and we started the arrangement. You need to look your best when you meet her. --z

Patronsilver 26 Reviews 730 reads

posted 11 years ago

13 / 27

SB

Not sure about the Columbus area, but both in NYC and Detroit the going rate for a good one starts around 100k plus a year.

Dr. joe 32 Reviews 444 reads

posted 11 years ago

14 / 27

Iy does but a lot of time.

In her case it would have bought week ends away, dinners and over nights, among many other things. I think she might have found it was not enough. In my situation it was like the time recently I was touring a $15 million dollar pent house in South Beach. I really didn't care what kind of kitchen appliances it had since there was no way I could possible afford with whatever the appliances.
The apartment was beautiful and the lady was stunning and charming. I think they sold the apartment and the lady has not been advertising recently.

Bodhisattva of Compassion 493 reads

posted 11 years ago

15 / 27

Re: a very attractive lady in Philadelphia was asking for

Reminds me of an old joke: Gal says I'll do ANYTHING for $****; fellow replies: Paint my house.

Never.Landed 590 reads

posted 11 years ago

16 / 27

Dude the very fact that you talk about "rates" shows you're not a real sugar daddy candidate

If you're just trying to be a cheap john, all you're ever going to get is cheap hookers. FYI.

Zangari 633 reads

posted 11 years ago

17 / 27

Let's try to define the term 'SB'

Posted By: Patronsilver

Not sure about the Columbus area, but both in NYC and Detroit the going rate for a good one starts around 100k plus a year.

So we've got one guy on this thread who thinks you can book an SB for a multi-hour session at $200 a throw (streetwalker). And now the post above, where it's $100,000 per year (what Maggie McNeill would call "gold digger platinum pussy").

I've been on the biggest Sugar site in the U.S. for the last three years. The owner & CEO of the site has been on Dr. Phil, CNN, and other media. And since I live in middle America, I *think* my experience will reflect what most guys on this board will run into, if they decide to try the sugar bowl.

Here's what I consider to be an SB:
Most of the SBs I've met are interested in an "Arrangement" where they're given an "Allowance". That's a regular hookup where they receive a certain dollar amount, plus occasional gifts. These girls typically are not providers. Many are college girls from middle class families who need money. They will consider a P4P arrangement, but they don't fuck anonymous strangers. An SB will want to see your photos before you ever meet. Your first date will be in a public place for lunch/dinner or a coffee date. This is P4P, but you can't approach an SB the same way that you approach a provider/escort. You need to understand that you're playing a different game.

Here's what I've found: you can get a beautiful SB to fuck you on a regular basis at the same rate that you're giving your ATF. But an arrangement = regular hookup + gifts, so you need to consider if you can afford her. --

Zangari 593 reads

posted 11 years ago

18 / 27

Re: Dude the very fact that you talk about "rates" shows you're not a real sugar daddy candidate

Posted By: Never.Landed

If you're just trying to be a cheap john, all you're ever going to get is cheap hookers. FYI.

That's somewhat harsh--most guys on TER/P411 (including me) use 'rate' as a general term for a financial obligation. I'd agree with you if someone used "hourly rate" in describing a sugar arrangement. But it's still P4P--it's a bit elitist to pretend otherwise. --z

RichardLongwood 773 reads

posted 11 years ago

19 / 27

Re: Let's try to define the term 'SB'

Many SBs look for an ongoing arrangement. Most of them don't find one immediately and accept a second-best alternative. The vast majority of guys I know use the per-date approach. I strongly recommend it, at least to start. The term "Sugar Daddy" conveys that an arrangement is ongoing, but the reality is that there are many "per date" arrangements. I don't view all "arrangements" as being regular hookup + gifts. They can be, but they don't have to be. You are following a particular approach, but there is a variety in approaches, just as there are different rates, looks, etc. Your definition is fine for your approach, but it's narrower than the broad range of activity out there. Hobbyists should be aware that there are alternatives to the more expensive ongoing relationship.

The $200 figure is the LOWEST I'm familiar with. The OP asked about starting price, which I interpreted as the low end of the range. I've seen photos of some of the girls who have agreed to $200 and $250. They are not DDG, but they are cute GNDs and well worth the price. They are NOT streetwalkers; in fact, they are far from it. I have always paid $300-$500, but it varies by area. I know that $300 will work with SOME appealing women in LA, NYC, and DC. Of course, the more you offer, the larger the pool of potential SBs.

Zangari 800 reads

posted 11 years ago

20 / 27

Re: Let's try to define the term 'SB'

Posted By: RichardLongwood

The vast majority of guys I know use the per-date approach... The $200 figure is the LOWEST I'm familiar with. The OP asked about starting price, which I interpreted as the low end of the range. I've seen photos of some of the girls who have agreed to $200 and $250. They are not DDG, but they are cute GNDs and well worth the price.

OK, let's try to clear this up. The sugar scene is a lot of trouble compared to the relative ease of booking a provider. For me, the *only* reason to justify the hassle of the sugar bowl is to fuck the DDG (Drop Dead Gorgeous) girls. I don't chase GND (Girl-Next Door) in the sugar bowl. That may be the crux of the issue between us. There's so much GND available via the provider route, I don't know why anyone would waste time chasing GND in the sugar bowl.

In my experience, Top-tier College SBs (the DDG) will typically not fuck you on a "per date basis", unless you're George Clooney. If they wanted to be call girls, they could easily do that. The sugar scene is just as big a hassle for SBs as it is for us. It only makes sense when both parties are selective. There have been a few times where I've had sex on a first sugar date, but that's the exception, not the rule. --z

RichardLongwood 439 reads

posted 11 years ago

21 / 27

Re: Let's try to define the term 'SB'

If you are going after the DDG girls on a multi-date arrangement, that's great, but your budget is probably 5-10x mine.

I've been happy with pretty, horny, nice GND types who spend 2-3 hours with me for $300-$500 per date.

As with the hobby, the sugar world has a wide range and something for everyone.

Zangari 692 reads

posted 11 years ago

22 / 27

Re: Let's try to define the term 'SB'

Posted By: RichardLongwood

If you are going after the DDG girls on a multi-date arrangement, that's great, but your budget is probably 5-10x mine. I've been happy with pretty, horny, nice GND types who spend 2-3 hours with me for $300-$500 per date. As with the hobby, the sugar world has a wide range and something for everyone.

Richard, my allowance is $300 a week. My current SB is 21 and looks like a younger version of Eva Mendes. Even if you're living in a bigger market, your $300--$500 price range can go a long way. If you were willing to give up the instant gratification of a first date fuck, you might land a DDG SB.